Melania Trump is Catholic

Thursday, May 25, AD 2017

 

This is interesting:

 

Now we know one reason why the first lady began with ‘Let us pray’ and ‘Our Father who art in heaven’ when she introduced the president that evening: She’s a practicing Roman Catholic.

Her spokeswoman Stephanie Grisham confirmed that to DailyMail.com on Wednesday, hours after Pope Francis blessed a rosary for her at the Vatican.

The last Catholics to live in the White House were John F. Kennedy and his wife Jackie. Melania and her son Barron will move to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue over the summer.

Mrs. Trump did more than just show up for a Papal audience.

She spent time in prayer at the Vatican-affiliated Bambino Gesù (Baby Jesus) Hospital, and laid flowers at the feet of a statue of the Madonna.

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  • This will give the media and Hollywood even more excuses to hate Trump…and Melania. I suspected she was at least a nominal Catholic being that she is from Slovenia. I hope she is more than that….and I do not say that mockingly. God knows there is lots of room for improvement in my own life and I am not pointing a finger at anyone here. God works in mysterious ways.

  • Fr Longenecker already beat every critic to the punch by pointing out Trump’s 3 marriages and ignoring Reagan’s 2 when contrasting Trump / Francis and Reagan / JP II. He is not liberal but he’s got a liberal streak straight down his back as most Roman clerics do.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2017/05/on-popes-and-presidents.html

  • I don’t doubt that she is Catholic, however, many people on various sites want to see her baptismal certificate, a’la Obama’s birth certificate.

  • How about this comment? She has violated the marriage laws of the Church by marrying Trump outside the Church and is therefore living in a state of manifest grave sin. Furthermore, since it is know that she attends Easter services with her husband outside the Catholic Church, this precept also appears to be habitually violated.

    The comparison to St. Helen is not only incorrect but boarders the realm of sacrilege. The life of St. Helen is one of piety and devotion to God. Also, most historians say that she was legally married to the emperor or that they were in a common law marriage; both would be acceptable as natural marriage under the canons.

    Trump and Melania’s situation is specifically condemned under the canons and Cardinal Wuerl should contact her when she gets to DC if Cardinal Dolan has not already.

  • Fr Longenecker already beat every critic to the punch by pointing out Trump’s 3 marriages and ignoring Reagan’s 2 when contrasting Trump / Francis and Reagan / JP II.

    I’m not seeing that there. Did he do that in some other locus?

    I’ve long hated the GB Trudeau talking point about Mr. Reagan. Jane Wyman did not enter the Catholic Church until around 1965 and she never contracted another marriage after that. Neither Nancy Davis nor Ronald Reagan ever belonged to a denomination with a sacramental conception of marriage and Reagan’s divorce from Jane Wyman was at her initiative de facto and de jure (and she did not have grounds, either); her civil marriage to Reagan was the only one of five which lasted longer than five years and the only one which produced any children. I’m old enough to recall when progressive discourse was something more than what you might get from GB Trudeau or Alan Alda (“dabble at wisecracks and call the dabbling ‘social commentary’ as George Will put it). In our own time, talking points and snide remarks is what they’ve got left.

    Trump’s situation (which includes one quite blatant adultery contra Ivana and an indeterminate number beyond that) is rather different. What’s odd is that Trump’s children haven’t produced notable embarrassments or scandals and the conscientious Mr. Reagan’s children are a clown posse.

  • “She has violated the marriage laws of the Church by marrying Trump outside the Church and is therefore living in a state of manifest grave sin.”

    I think I would agree with you although I doubt that Pope Francis would. In any case she should act to regularize her situation with the Church as should hundreds of millions of Catholics in similar situations around the globe.

    “Also, most historians say that she was legally married to the emperor or that they were in a common law marriage; both would be acceptable as natural marriage under the canons.”

    Rome did not have the concept of common law marriage which is a concept developed later under English Common Law. She was clearly in a state of concubinage, similar to the relationship that Saint Augustine had with two women prior to his conversion. Considering the time in which she lived, the difference in social status between her and Constantius would have made marriage a practical impossibilty.

  • @ Art Deco, Fr Longenecker apparently changed the essay after I responded to him about the disparity between his treatment of Melania Trump and his treatment of Nancy Reagan. That all happened on twitter. Well, I know the truth and so does Father. One more example of why I am disgusted with all things Roman.

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  • I responded to him about the disparity between his treatment of Melania Trump and his treatment of Nancy Reagan.

    I’m not sure where Melania stands regarding anything. She’s Slovene so likely does have some familiarity with elements of Catholic culture. AFAIK, that’s the only strand of religious thought and practice of any consequence there.

    Nancy Reagan married someone else’s discarded husband. There is not any doubt that Jane Wyman put her unwilling husband out on the curb. Melania’s not implicated in DJT’s divorce from Ivanka, to be sure. I’m not sure why you’d insist the two cases be treated as similar (bar that you’re focused on Melania’s conduct and not DJT’s). If you’re concerned with canon law, I think you’d have a better argument if it was your thesis that the Reagan-Wyman marriage merited a declaration of nullity than if it was your thesis that the Donald-Ivanka marriage did. Jane Wyman had two previous marriages and it’s a reasonable guess (not a slam dunk) that her marriages to Messrs. Futterman, Reagan, and Karger were invalid in a civil sense because bigamous. (There is some reason she refused throughout the course of her life to acknowledge in print her marriage to Ernest Wyman, even after Edmund Morris located the marriage license in a Los Angeles County archive).

    Sorry for chewing on this.

  • It may be a good idea for the First Lady to meet with a spiritual advisor – preferably from Christendom College and not Georgetown or Catholic University of America. Having said that, I will defer to Mr. McClarey’s statement and leave it at that.

  • Well, according to Catholic teaching, she is currently living in an adulterous relationship with her husband. That’s not a criticism of her per se, just a statement of fact.

    Either she does not attend Mass, or if she does, it’s likely she takes communion while in an objective state of grave sin. Again, as funny it may sound, I intend no criticism of her by saying that.

    I like Melania Trump and I wouldn’t be surprised if she is a believing Christian and even a believing Catholic in so far as she believes the incomplete or partly erroneous list of things she has been taught. And I say “incomplete” or “erroneous” to give her the benefit of the doubt. It’s reasonable to think that she doesn’t really understand Catholic teachings on marriage because she wasn’t catechized fully or correctly, or because she believes that that sort of “strict” stuff doesn’t apply anymore or whatever, because that’s the message she’s picked up from her priests, bishops and even the Pope.

    But even if none of that is her fault (which again, I’m perfectly willing to believe), it’s not clear that it’s helpful to say (as the linked article did) that she is a “practicing Catholic.” I guess I would call her a sort of lapsed Catholic.

  • Sorry. I didn’t realize it was the Daily Mail. I thought it was a Catholic publication

  • All this makes me laugh And cry!
    I like Melania, my sisters and brothers, cousins and friends and so many others in pretty much the same boat… Not the barque.
    As much as I am upset with P Francis – the keeper of the keys who has left them lying on the doorstep. I also wonder how God Himself will view it if some of the big messy family o’mine would take advantage the missionaries of mercy and “come home” while they can.

  • In order for Melania Trump to regularize her marriage, her husband — not her — would have to go through a tribunal process for his previous marriages, and both of the ex wives, Ivana Trump (Ivanka is the daughter) and Marla Maples would have to be approached about participating, though the case could proceed without them if necessary. The odds of ANY sitting POTUS being able to go through that process without the media having a field day at the Church’s expense — let alone a president with as many determined enemies as Trump — are pretty remote. Whether or not he, as a non Catholic, would even agree to it is another issue. If Melania were to decide to wait until her husband is out of office to pursue this process, and in the meantime we’re to continue practicing her faith to the extent she is able (attending Mass but not receiving Communion), or to continue attending the Episcopal Church that her husband has been attending, I can’t say I would blame her.

  • I am about to BARF.

    The Demorat Convention actually booed God. It didn’t dissuade so-called Catholics from voting for abortion, gay marriage, and stealing from their neighbors using the all-powerful state as middle man.

    She said the “Our Father” in public. When was the last time you saw that?

    Hey! While we’re tearing at Melania, let’s hit her over the head about marrying The Donald for his billions . . . And, I am about to BARF.

  • Many previous efforts to comment appear to have been blocked by an outside actor, who also knocked me out of the internet. So somebody takes them seriously.

    So the First Lady is Catholic. “Not that there’s anything wrong with that”, to quote an old saw from an iconic Seinfeld episode. Very pleasing was the First Lady’s conduct in the papal visit, and her knowledge of diverse languages is extremely impressive. See –
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/melania-trump-vis

    It would be an extraordinary feat for the First Lady to prevail upon the American President to pause in Lisbon or Lajes on the way back to discuss with President of the Portuguese Republic Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa the next Head of Mission of the American Embassy in Lisbon. The implications for Portugal, the United States and world civilization are great.

  • I don’t think anyone here “tore into” Melania. A few people (including me) simply pointed out a few obvious points regarding Catholic teachings. That everyone (including me) swooned a bit at her “Our Father,” as well as seeing that obviously touching photo of her contemplating the Virgin Mary, shows how prone all faithful Catholics are in these bad times to grasp at any straws that we can.

  • Melania Trump is not Catholic. – the heresy on this site is appalling! So she said the *Our Father*! When have we seen her go to Mass on Sunday? Is he son baptized Catholic? She was married in a Palm Beach Church. I am not questioning her devotion to Our Lady – or her love of God. Please do not say she is a Catholic, or worse yet – a *practicing* Catholic!!!! This is a disgrace.

  • Just an idle few observations:

    Melania is just now recently “out” as Catholic. If no one has seen her baptismal records, why would we assume that she regularly receives Communion? Further, as much as paparazzi surely must have followed her for the past 12 or so years since married to The Don, the news of Melania being Catholic is “new”. Surely, they could have published photos of her “secretly” attending Mass similar to how all of the tabloids find all of the Kardashians at various resorts and in differing levels of undress. Just look at the sidebar photos at The Daily Mail…but, men, don’t look too long lest you near an occasion of sin.

    It is plausible that she is much like the tax collector rather than the Pharisee, and may attend Mass but not partake of Communion.

    It’s also plausible that she’s rediscovering the Catholic faith of her homeland, of which she was kept from due to her father’s role in the then-Communist government.

    The main point I’m making is: we have pictures of her wearing a veil while meeting the Pope (not unusual, given the apparent protocols of papal state visits), of her requesting Pope Francis bless her Rosary, of her praying in a chapel, laying flowers at a statue of the Blessed Mother, and of her praying with kids. We have a video of her leading a rally in The Lord’s Prayer.

    We don’t have pictures of her taking Communion. Nor do we have videos of her proclaiming that Planned Parenthood is a vital resource for women and has little to do with abortion, nor are there videos of her stating that she’s “personally opposed to abortion”, nor are there public statements of hers that resemble any of a number of Ccatholic Democrat politicians.

    I’m hopeful that she will, in whatever capacity she can, serve as a good and public witness of the Catholic faith…better than most that we have in the political realm.

  • Lots of off the mark comments off the mark. Interesting that Mrs., Trump is at least not ashamed to be identified as a Catholic. I will wait and see. Newt’s wife is being attacked because of HIS unhappy experiences with wives. Since Trump has appointed Newt’s wife, there has been all kinds of sneering about her supposed lack of credentials. As if The posts to London and Paris have not verb forever been not occupied By campaign donors, when Shirley Temple Black served as Ambassador. Mrs Gingrich is certainly better connected with the White House, although Mrs Black was politically savvy and a very bright woman.

  • Why is Pence given a pass? He freely admits he was baptized as Catholic and raised Catholic, then in college started going to an Evagelical church and now tells people he’s an “Evangelical Catholic.” He does not attend Mass. Pence is treated like a great moral Christian and it’s never mentioned that he’s a lapsed Catholic. He sees nothing wrong with mentioning his Catholic upbringing when it suits him, but also says he was “looking for more” so he “found Jesus” in college. All the Evangelicals love him and call him one of their own and I suspect a lot of that has to do with him throwing his Catholic faith under the bus.

  • Would that all elected Catholics voted the same way Pence did in Congress on abortion. In the wake of Vatican II it is not surprising to me that a man like Pence jumped ship on the Church. 100% Catholicism is a joy to behold; the ersatz Catholicism foisted on us since 1965 is too often a pain to endure. Ugly liturgy, dreadful music, bizarre churches. Catholic “education” that has created generations of Catholics ignorant of the basic teachings of the Faith. Rail against Pence if you must, but the real problem here is the current state of the Church.

  • “but the real problem here is the current state of the Church.” Truer words were never spoken .
    The sorry state of the Church …sorry state of us individual Catholics. Lord, have mercy.

  • Franciscus would dispense Holy Communion to her because adulterers must be accompanied,

    On a brighter note, she is easy on the eyes compared to she who had the biceps and shoulders of an NFL strong safety.

  • On a brighter note, she is easy on the eyes compared to she who had the biceps and shoulders of an NFL strong safety.

    Why are you comparing Melania to Serena Williams?

  • Has Melania been baptized? Her spokesperson isn’t even sure of that. All she said was that Melania was raised in a Communist household.

    When she married Trump, was she certain his two previous marriages were invalid or annulled? Did she marry Trump in a Catholic ceremony?

    Does she go to Mass every Sunday and Holyday of Obligation? Does she go to Confession and Holy Communion once a year during Eastertide?

    Does she contribute to her parish or to the missions?

    Does using a Rosary as a dress ornament make one a “practicing Catholic?”

  • Yes she has been baptized:

    Melania’s parents lived in a two-room apartment in Sevnica, a town of about 5,000 residents. They acquired the house through the housing plan of the now liquidated Jutranca textile company where they worked. After Melania was born they moved to a nearby building with an extra room.

    Viktor, Melania’s father, was a member of the Communist Party. Several neighbors agree that he joined more out of convenience than conviction. That ensured fewer problems with the party after his daughter was baptized in a Catholic church, like many of the family’s relatives.

    http://www.univision.com/univision-news/politics/the-life-and-secrets-of-melania-trump

    I would note that she did not claim to be a good Catholic or a devout Catholic. She obviously understands however that with her baptism she is a Catholic. I would think the reaction of those claiming to be good Catholics would be to encourage her, and not to berate her.

  • Best comment I’ve seen on it:
    Melania Trump is the first Catholic to live at the White House since JFK!

    I’m still not sure if the irony is on purpose or not.

  • I would think the reaction of those claiming to be good Catholics would be to encourage her, and not to berate her.

    Depends– is she publicly supporting slaughtering innocents, sterilizing prior to recreational sex, equating homosexual sexual activity with married couples, etc? If not, well, why wouldn’t they berate her…. -.-

  • For every nasty comment about this VERY LOVEY, GOOD WIFE AND MOTHER-stick it!
    Have you awful people nothing nice to say?
    Why would she tell anyone anything, so they can make more nasty jokes!!!
    I’m delighted. She’s a LADY unlike Mrs. Clinton who didn’t even know that it was HER HUSBAND BILL CLINTON WHO WAS IMPEACHED, not President Nixon, who by the way resigned to save the country as lengthy trial and expense. He was a class act and doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves. No other president besides President Clinton has been impeached except one in approx. 1869.

    So lying, deceitful, nasty, Hillary get your facts straight just ONCE, please tell the truth, even though I know it’s not within you. I know you think you can rewrite history, but for Gods sake don’t be so obvious and say something that unfortunately enough people know the truth about are still enough people are alive!!!!!!! Let me point out to people like you who NO LONGER ARE IN POWER -TO LIE AND COVER UP WRONG DOINGS (THANKS TO THE WISE AMERICAN PEOPLE) it was YOUR HUSBAND BILL CLINTON WHO WAS IMPEACHED AND “HIM” IN THE 20TH. CENTURY AND ONLY THE 2ND. PRES. IN HISTORY.

    Do you really think you can just lie about anything and say anything and nobody’s gonna call you out on it. What about the people that four that die because if you, what about all those emails on your server, what about all the other things you’ve done, the list goes on and on and on. My God woman go away go away with some scintilla of dignity. YOU HAVE “NO” CHANCE TO WIN A POST AGAIN!!!!! You should be in JAIL!

  • Viktor, Melania’s father, was a member of the Communist Party. Several neighbors agree that he joined more out of convenience than conviction.
    After Hungary made a statutory provision for alternative political parties to organize (in January 1989), the local communist party held a convention to re-organize and re-brand. One measure approved was a call to all members to apply for new party cards. About 4% of the nominal membership applied for the new cards. In occidental countries wherein political parties are private membership organizations, you might expect 3-4% of the adult population to take out memberships. A similar share of Americans sit on party committees and volunteer on campaigns (or did when I was a disaffected student of political science). The communist parties in Eastern Europe had very bloated membership rolls given the size of the adult population in those places, presumably because there are quite a mess of people who’d like a promotion at their workplace.

  • Look, nobody has publically divulged the inside gouge on Trump’s marriages. Ivana was previously married and divorced. There’s some supposition that it was a green card marriage to enable her to emigrate to Canada. Was it a civil marriage? Was she a Catholic or not given her Czech/Austrian heritage? There could be many reasons not apparent to the general public why Trump’s previous marriages could be considered invalid according to the R. Catholic Church. Also do we know if Melania was baptized into Roman or Orthodox Church. Many of the former Eastern Bloc countries had Roman, Byzantine, and Orthodox Catholic communities. The Orthodox as I understand it has different church law regarding divorce and remarriage as does the Anglican.
    Prince Charles could not marry Camilla in a Church of England service; they were married by magistrate. His sister Anne had to remarry in the Church of Scotland. His Aunt Margaret couldn’t marry Peter Townsend because he was divorced and his great uncle Edward had to abdicate the throne because he married twice divorced Wallis Simpson.
    I believe the Newt and Calixta Gingrich was validated when he converted to R. Catholicism. Was that under the Paulist Principle? I’ve never had occasion to know the in and outs of a marriage tribunal, but I do know that there are various reasons, spiritual, physical and psychological for annulments and that one should not judge situations on appearances of others’ marriages.
    I believe that the President will convert to Catholicism. I hope and pray that the Vice President will return to the faith of his childhood.

  • Melania Trump’s public demeanor as the First Lady, a loving wife and mother is refreshing.

  • There is nothing like bringing up Catholicism that brings out the best (and worst) of people. I had read that her spokeswoman confirmed that the First Lady is a Catholic. How she practices is Gods, the Churches and her business. It’s nice to see Christians in the White House. I for one will pray for their success.

  • There but for the grace of God go I….
    This discussion seems, to me, a mildly lapsed ( in terms of strict requirements) Catholic, appalling.
    So many “good Catholics” are no better than we “lapsed” ones, they just “follow the rules” outwardly. My faith & practice are personal and sincere…at least I admit I am human & imperfect…
    I am saddened, but not surprised, by this discussion….

  • Paula D Champion-
    did you maybe have two browsers open and commented at the wrong one?

  • CAM-
    I believe I heard on The World Over that the Trumps were married in an Episcopal ceremony.
    I’m with you about the VP– he seems to be one of those guys who was basically driven out because his local exposure didn’t have any there, there. Like Mary MacDougall says, there but for the grace of God… I had the internet to find out about the Church when there wasn’t anything offered locally. The VP is a bit old for that.

  • Apply the rule of kind interpretations. We all proceed along the path of life by the light we have. If we stay on the track, the light will get brighter and take us safely home. “I am the way, the truth and the life” describes a journey.

  • She converted later guys after they were married

Melania Trump Opens Trump Rally With Pater Noster

Sunday, February 19, AD 2017

Fate has a way of picking unlikely material,
Greasy-haired second lieutenants of French artillery,
And bald-headed, dubious, Roman rake-politicians.

Stephen Vincent Benet, John Brown’s Body

And thrice married billionaires and their nude model wives?  I have long thought that God has a well developed sense of humor.  Wouldn’t it be beyond the absurd for Him to hand victory to almost defeated Christians on issues such as abortion and religious freedom by such unlikely material?  From everything I have read about her, Melania Trump is a devoted mother, religious and attempts to stay out of the lime light as much as possible.  May she be a positive influence on her husband, and may she grow in faith and love.

 

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  • “Wouldn’t it be beyond the absurd for Him to hand victory to almost defeated Christians on issues such as abortion and religious freedom by such unlikely material?”

    YES!

    Unlikely but possible and it’s the element of possibilities that we prayed over and over leading up to November 8th.

    At this moment all I know for certain is there is momentum that didn’t exist before regarding the chipping away of America’s scourge…. Abortion on demand. The De-funding of Worse than Murder Inc. is a start to the possibility of the impossible. The reversal of Roe v Wade. This momentum would not exist if it wasn’t for the absurdities of the Left.
    Indeed, the emperor (dems) are not wearing clothes.

  • Its a good thing God works through and in gross sinners, or I would have no chance.

  • After all, in Jeremiah God twice calls Nebuchadnezzar “my servant.” (Jer 27:6, 43:10)
    As St Augustine says, God is the creator of good wills and the exploiter of evil ones (Sicut naturarum bonarum optimus creator, ita voluntatum malarum justissimus ordinator” De Civ Dei XI 17)

  • Prediction: Donald and Melania will become Catholics by 2019.

  • @Michael Dowd

    Let’s pray that their sponsors and the RCIA instruction is quality. Formation based upon ambiguity brings the like of Pelosi-Biden-Kennedy (c) atholics. Oh…Add Mark Shea to the list.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens Micheal Dowd. The past eighteen months have been full of interesting developments. Donald Trump is no exception.

  • I have never seen a first lady, or president for that matter, open a public forum like a rally, with the Lord’s Prayer….or honoring God in such a humble way. First I was stunned, then I stood up and applauded for the courage and virtue it took to do this one simple act. I felt now we have the faith coming back front and center after all these years!!! To God be the Glory…for it has had a back seat for a long long time! She is going to take a lot of heat for dong this from leftists, but I don’t think she cares. The people care! May we all look to that example and come out of our holes and rise up in simple humility and nobleness as Melania Trump!

  • After 8 long years, I am finally proud of the First Lady.

  • I see the leftists are in a tizzy about the FLOTUS saying the Lord’s Prayer before her speech. It would be something to see if their heads would explode if she recited the Apostle’s Creed!😂

  • Suzanne brings up a very important point.
    We must rise!
    The left will continue their form of tolerance spewed across all mediums, but this is our time to reclaim what was hijacked in ’08.
    We are a Christian Nation, read the preamble, and no one, especially the former POTUS, can say otherwise.
    Bathrooms are gender specific for good reason, no one can claim otherwise. The idea that we treat a deformity, a mental illness, by embracing it and teaching others it’s not a deformity at all but a lifestyle choice, is not mercy nor healthy for the individual or society.

    Disorder by any other name is harmful.

    The political correctness landscape was built upon shifting sand, not upon a rock.
    We build upon a rock.
    We will weather this storm, relativism, and we will flourish.

    God bless our President.

  • And yet our elegantly socially-self-conscious bishops and the “sovereign pontiff” are marching off in a completely wrong direction. The “New Mexico Bishops’ Conference” (All 3 of them— Archbishop Michael J. Sheehan of the Archdiocese of Santa Fe, Bishop Oscar Cantu of the Diocese of Las Cruces, and Bishop James S. Wall of the Diocese of Gallup with Allen Sánchez as the Executive Director of the Conference ) announced in good extravagantly Nanci-Pelosi-style militant language Fri 2/17/17 that Trump’s immigration ban “is an act of war.”

    http://www.usnews.com/news/new-mexico/articles/2017-02-17/new-mexicos-bishops-trump-immigrant-draft-an-act-of-war

    Without getting into the drama-queen aspect of the 3 Bishops (D-NM) statement (It faintly reminds me of “Tres Amigos Tequila”—which is also a poor quality imitation of tequila, just like the 3 bishops with regard to spiritual leadership), it is this wrong-headed purely political foray into policy that every day diminishes the influence of Catholic bishops everywhere. How long can they continue to take off their clothes for political stunt-effect without eventually causing people not even to turn their head?

    As for the US movement toward protection of unborn life, most of them can claim no credit at all.

  • And by the way, executive director of the NMEC, “Bp.” Allen Sanchez (D-NM), was reacting to the fake-news story of Trump putting 100,000 Natl Guard troops on the border—just as GW Bush and Obama had each done for a time

    So, obviously they are getting their daily news and info from CNN and Politico.

  • Melania Trump is praying with all the saints in heaven, all the saints on earth and all the saints in purgatory. The sous in hell are not remembered. Our Father, in heaven, on earth and under the earth, and His divine Providence, Who is invoked in our Unanimous Declaration of Independence is the “Creator” of all men.. Aligned with God, America will become great again. Thanks be to God.

  • What ““is an act of war.” is the bullying of the consciences of all holy men and women. The virtue of charity is between God and man. The semi-bishops may exhort upon the good men an action to charity. They may expound the benefits and graces to be received from God. They may not incite a war nor disparage the charity and good works that men of good will do, even if it is two coins.

  • How refreshing to see the First Lady of the United States recite the Lord’s Prayer in public.

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  • Let us continue to pray daily for our President and Mrs. Trump and Vice President and Mrs. Pence and their families. For wisdom and fortitude and many graces in their public and private lives.

  • Strictly speaking of course, Ivana is the President’s wife, the elegant beautiful Melania his lovely mistress.

  • Does that bit of flotsam you threw out there make you feel better about yourself, “antigon”?

  • The word of God spoken through an angel :mrgreen:

  • Antigon, Ivana was already validly married previously. Her “marriage” to President Trump was invalid due to a prior bond. President Trump has made comments which would cast doubt on the validity of his marriage to Marla Maples. It’s very likely his marriage to The First Lady is valid.

  • antigon………. marriage between two non-Catholic is recognized by the Church ONLY IF a couple of criteria are met. One criteria is the intention of both parties to a union of permanence, fidelity and openness to life. Neither you nor I am privy to any information of that subject with respect to Mr. Trump and Ivana. Your remark was unhelpful

  • I find it pretty comic how people like “antigon” are “Defender of the Bond”, when the Chief Executive Defender of the Bond has abandoned his role in the matter.

    That high moral perch must have a marvelous view.

  • Antigon: From my lowly station, I cannot see the details of their marital status known perfectly to God. I will let Him sort it out. If God is as merciful to them as He is to me, everything will be well.

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  • But not an illegal immigrant, Michelle….funny how the distinction gets lost constantly by your side.

  • bill bannon …..you have proven that less is more.

    (Illegal immigrants)

    I’m asking one question.

    Why on earth doesn’t the United States of America help rid the factions that are in bed with corruption that is Cartel Mexico, Central America and South America?

    If the Government’s below our borders are bought and paid for buy the Cartel’s then can we help to overthrow the governments that are doing nothing to protect their people, and by doing this help them to thrive in their homeland?

    No immigration issues from Mexico if we help to clean up the problem in Mexico. Corruption and violence in a Government that is to suppose to provide protection and fairness is only going to lead to exodus.

    Obviously, I’m not a student of political science, but my simple guess is that Mexicans Central Americans and Southern Americans fleeing their homelands are because of corruption within the government.

    Good guess or poor guess?

  • Three….not one, but three questions.
    I suffered in basic arithmetic as well. 🙁

  • Philip,
    Mexico et al is a bottomless pit like Afghanistan….which has swallowed billions of our dollars in aid and is still a corrupt culture. We need to spend money on the US. Mexico has plenty of money and is not considered poor by the IMF etc.

  • She’ll make a boatload of cash giving speeches to left-wing Amen Corners. She is probably glad to get the hell out of the White House.

  • NEWSFLASH:
    White Billionaire Evicts Black Family from State Owned Home for Own Selfish Use.
    No doubt you’ve seen this before ? 🙂

  • Mexico is its own victim. She rejected Christ and His Church Whom she actually persecuted under Plutarco Elias Calles. She has shown the whirlwind. Until she repents, no amount of money can improve her lot.
    .
    PS, this is a foretaste of what is in store for us were we to elect one such as Calles, hateful of traditional Christianity. We came close this time.

  • Michelle is giving mixed messages with her sign. Now, they are against immigration? Stupid is as stupid does.

  • At least Michelle has a job worth refilling. Her last job before First Lady was as Director of Community Outreach for a Chicago area hospital. When her husband won election to the US Senate, her salary was tripled. Not coincidentally, that was also the first time in her life she was proud of her country. When she then went to Washington as part of her husband’s election to the presidency, her position was not refilled.

  • Don’t hold your breath waiting for Obama, Crooked Hillary or this witch to condemn the post-election violence.
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    Michelle Antoinette is being replaced by an immigrant that doesn’t hate America and white people. Good riddance.
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    She and her nincompoop husband are proof that affirmative action (a low and moderate IQ mind is a terrible thing to waste) is a failure.

  • @bill bannon

    Is there such a thing as justice for the average José in their respective countries?

    If the people have extremely limited access to justice, and are threatened by Cartel’s on a regular basis, you can’t help but to sympathize with them. If these living conditions are unbearable, deadly in some cases, then what can we do to create a safe environment in their homelands?

    If we don’t help them we can expect millions more seeking refuge in the land of the free.
    Walls can slow the process but won’t stop the flood of illegals from digging there way in.

  • I don’t hthink Mexico is as bad as Afghanistan…but it can come close. The entire country out to be under military occupation as Japan was under General McArthur. It is a failed state.

    The US cannot absorb all the poor of Latin America. The USA is $20 trillion in debt. Our economy is stagnant and not enough of our own citizens can find work. Our health care system is under the strain of Obumblercare. Our education system is failing us. The USA is not a bottomless pit of money. The Catholic bishops of the USA and Latin America need to hold the Latin American governments accountable for their corruption and their failures. They are to blame for the poverty and misery.

  • Philip,
    ” What can we do to create a safe environment in their homelands?”. We….we….we are not even securely housing our mentally ill in asylums in New York and as a result they are pushing commuters in front of trains…several just recently. We….we….we are giving the mentally ill the delusion that they can live in society and we…we are giving them sufficient welfare rent to live near ghetto predators. America first. Pay for asylums here. Jose should band together with other Jose’s and clean up their own countries. That’s what Iraqis are doing in Mosul right now…because we…we are not doing it.
    Scarface….” I didn’t tell you to say you were in sanitation…I told you to say you were in a sanitarium.”

  • bill.

    Cleaning up their own mess hasn’t worked out well. Expect more Josés…wall or no wall.

Plagiarizing a Plagiarist

Tuesday, July 19, AD 2016

 

 

The internet is all afire with the claim that Melania Trump’s speech at the Republican Convention  yesterday lifted a section from Michelle Obama’s Convention speech in 2008.  Likely the plagiarism did occur and Trump should fire his wife’s speechwriter.  However, it is also likely that Michele Obama’s speech writer plagiarized that section of her speech from a 1992 book, Business Success in South Africa.  Per the Zero Hedge blog:

However, in a curious development, the IOTWReport website finds some curious analogues between Michelle’s own 2008 speech, and a book written in 1992 by African author Rob Marsh titled, “Business success in South Africa.” Spot the similarities.

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21 Responses to Plagiarizing a Plagiarist

  • Those really aren’t that close. I mean, there’s “your word is your bond”, but just about any list of values is going to include that.

  • Disagree Pinky. Both involve advice from parents to kids. Both use the phrase “you work hard”. It isn’t as clear cut as her obvious plagiarism from Saul Alinsky in the same speech:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/19/melania-trump-plagiarism-hillary-biden-barack-michelle/

    but I think it is more than coincidental.

  • Pinky, I think the point is that the standard of evidence used to convict Melania right now in popular opinion could be likewise used to convict Michelle of the same charge.

  • They are desperate and pathetic. They (including Pink) need to distract themselves and assorted low-information liberals (I repeat myself again) with this nonsense.
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    They can’t cover the substantive speeches, which call out the real, serious problems which (unjustly unindicted) Mrs. Bill Clinton, Obama et al caused.
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  • How is it that we have “Speechgate!” scandalizing certain newscasters and
    pundits, when those same newscasters and pundits couldn’t have cared
    less about Hillary’s home-brew email server?
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    They have peculiar priorities when it comes to broadcasting causes for
    concern…

  • Excuse me, T. Shaw?

  • Play nice gentlemen. I am still on vacation and I have little time to moderate comments.

  • My son’s high school teachers pass their students’ work through plagiarism-checking web sites. It’s not hard. Anyone can do it. Hopefully Trump’s other people will be smarter concerning available resources should he get elected.

    BTW, how is Joe ‘Neil Kinnock’ Biden doing today?

  • Pinky –

    “Excuse me…(T.Shaw)”

    Aren’t you plagiarising Steve Martin?….EExCCuussse ME!

    No. The Martin quote wasn’t checked on the plagiarism web site.

    Seriously for a moment.
    I agree with T. Shaw that this plagiarism cry is nonsense. I disagree with him on wrapping Pinky in the mix.
    Let’s not focus on the attempt to sideline the anti-Clinton retoric, which in my modest opinion was popcorn good!

    BTW…. Steve Martin’s use of Excuse Me, was plagiarized. Gabby Johnson, cousin to Howard Johnson in Blazing Saddles, said; “I suuad tdat dee shaaiff is a nnnagr.” to which Jeffery Johnson said; I couldn’t of said it better myself! If you listen closely you’ll here Levi Johnson say; “Excuse me?”

  • In conclusion (plagiarism!), the gravest difference between Michelle Antoinette’s 2008 speech and Ms. Trump’s is Melania spoke the truth. Michelle Ob’s speech, proven by seven-plus years of racial divisiveness, exclusionary rhetoric, and rancor, was utterly deceitful.
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    PInk. I love you man. But, if you think that this tempest in a teapot is anything besides a liberal mud-slinging opportunity, there is no excuse for you.
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    PS: another Obama-caused police murder in KC is being reported. That makes 31 LIA PO’s this year killed by Obama.

  • Maister McC wrote: “…but I think it is more than coincidental.”

    “That is reasoning for a Roman, but not for a Jew.” 🙁

  • qui ad aequitatem venit, puris manibus veniendum est.

  • Who cares about any of this? It is just another stone to cast at our man Trump. But he will triumph–Trump will Triumph!

  • T. Shaw – I didn’t say that this was anything more than a tempest in a teapot. I said that the charge against Michelle was even less than that.

  • I only wish the Donald would plagiarize someone other than Donald Duck.

  • Pinky, pacem. Got a smoke?
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    D. Will: soon that will be “President The Donald.” He can’t possibly be worse for America than Obama has been or would be crooked, insane Mrs. Bill Clinton.

  • This is ridiculous!! Even my parents and grand-parents used the same words to us as children! If this is all that people can find to talk about then the news media needs to get a different job and the rest of us need to get on with our lives.
    May the Good Lord give us something more important to talk about.

  • @Just me.

    Exactly!

    You see it!
    Liberial media redirects as a means to defend it’s castle.

    Time the castle is flattened.

  • As I have stated to a few since the flap, Michelle’s words were neither original nor her own. To be plagerism you must be coping someone’s original work or ideas. A quick search of “dream big, work hard” revels it being used at least as often as 468 times. The phrase “My Word is my Bond” was eloquently delivered by Dustin Hoffman in the movie HOOK and is also the title of Sir Roger Moore’s Autobiography. The sentances in questions have been echoed by parents, grandparents, commencement speakers, speech writers, et al throughout the decades. This was “much ado about nothing”, Shakespeare? Or someone else…