When a Mass Shooting is Politically Inconvenient

Saturday, December 5, AD 2015

Dave Griffey at Daffey Thoughts predicts the reaction of the usual suspects to the jihadist attack in San Bernardino:
Of course, it looks like terrorism.  But since 9/11, we’ve learned that terrorism is tough to pin in America.  When Muslims attacked Paris it was terrorism.  It was also thoughts and prayers.  But here, where Liberalism is fighting on  the front lines of global domination, there can be no such niceties or common sense appraisals.  
Now, I’m no soothsayer or prophet.  But here’s a guess.  The liberal advocates will do any or all of the following in the days to come:
  • Focus on gun control
  • Focus on Islamaphobia
  • Focus on parsing terrorism. Remember when any terrorism that wasn’t Al Qaeda wasn’t considered a big deal and we couldn’t focus on that since it wasn’t connected to 9/11?  Expect the same now with Isis.  
  • Focus on the fact that the shooters were not Syrian refugees
  • Appeal to rambling interviews in which we ask things like ‘does it even matter why it happened?’ (as opposed to things like the Charleston shooting or the Tuscon shooting), or just rambled about saying incoherent things about stuff and things
  • And in all things, blame conservatives.  
  • But if it can’t be used to advance the gospel of the Left, expect the whole story to be gone within a week or so.  If it lasts that long.
That’s just a hunch,. 
BTW, it’s two days and counting over at CAEI.  No prayer post or request for prayers.  No mention.  Nothing.  I can’t begin to fathom why.  Perhaps he just wants to focus on the positives of what the Faith teaches.  I just hope the first post addressing it isn’t about the evils of the NRA, conservatives, gun nuts, or racist America.  In short, I hope conservative blogger Mark doesn’t once again echo with almost stunning efficiency the biases and perspectives of the worst elements of the Left. 

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  • The junior varsity team is kicking the hell out of the arrogant left.
    Pathetic bastards…. Isis and liberal mutants.

  • Having lived 1300 years, the Bear has learned that there are many problems without a solution. This is one of them. It would be impossible to elect a leadership capable of effectively addressing this threat. So just add terrorism to the list of brute, capricious ways in which you can wind up dead in this country, like being hit head-on by a drunk driver or having your mobile home exploded by a tornado.

  • Fooey, Philip, it was my turn to observe “the JV team” — that it is going to be one helluva varsity some day. However, likely Bathhouse Barry wont have to deal with them, but will be defending them in the US court system.
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    Much-vilified Robert Spencer (a Maronite Catholic by the way) links to how the NY Times putridly portrays “home-grown terrorism” vs. jihadi-terrorism in an utterly mis-representative graph of attacks “since 9/11”, saying “more Americans have been killed in domestic-mass-shootings” since then:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/12/ny-times-non-muslim-extremists-more-lethal-than-jihadis

    …But the dearly beloved Old Grey Lady left out that over 3000 Americans were killed on 9/11 alone.

    I think that, as ex-Muslim Brotherhood member Walid Shoebat observed trenchantly in an interview yesterday on Michael Savage’s show, “many more Americans will have to be killed before the country wakes up.” Shoebat notes that the “JV Team” (ISIS) has a goal of killing 10 million Americans, to cow the US into submission. The NY Times will help the JV Team out mightily toward that goal.

  • @Steve Phoenix.

    Ssso sorry for jumping out of turn.
    The badrock o’bummer has been helping the JV team from the start. Your right about his continued support long after his infamous presidency is over. The stench will remain for many a year. 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. will need a good douche.

  • Do not believe anything spewing from academia, the government or the media, including FOXNEWS.
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    Islamic terrorists are their natural allies: they hate America’s Christian faith, liberty, and the uses most of us make of our freedoms. The idiot in the WH, useless academics and rump liberals know their enemy: us. They need to disarm us to defeat America.
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    Early in the Leninist USSR, the party propaganda organ was Pravda (Truth). The editor was asked what is truth? He answered, “That which advances the revolution. Same for these liberal rats: the news and truth are repeated distortions, exaggerations, fabrications, false equivalencies, non sequiturs, omissions that advance the destruction of our country and our way of life.

  • One more thing Steve…
    “Isis has a goal of killing over 10 million Americans, to cow the US into submission.”

    Planned Parenthood. oops, Worse than Murder Inc., is far more destructive than these piss ant’s. 10 million…that’s all? Losers.
    When they set their goal properly, say 60 or 70 million, then maybe….but 10 million? Humph!

  • Robert Spencer’s a Melkite.

  • 4. That gun control can do anything to stop mass shootings, as the weapons used were not modified to be illegal under California’s stringent assault weapon ban.

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    Amendations for clarity. It also needs to emphasised that all weapons were legally purchased.

  • We face the twin threats of radical Islamic terrorism and tyrannical atheistic liberal progressivism. Pray that it is not time for the Maccabean response, for sadly that is the only response which these two demonic forces of darkness respect.

  • Also “Mass Shooting” is useless term.

  • I briefly ran down the list of mass shootings YTD in 2015. It’s mostly unknowns shooting four or five. The KIA ratio isn’t so high. I assume it’s largely gang or drug war related.
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    In general, the gun control and the assault rifle memes are deceit with a large dose of hysterics. In fact, the US murder rate has declined most years since 1992 and the dreaded assault rifle annually kills fewer Americans than the death-dealing blunt object (think hammer). The lies advance the agenda, but the truth i’s readily available in FBI statistics.
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    I do not accept subordinating The US Constitution to liberal bullshit.
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    These lies give the calumnious media something to spew because the news is Obama’s/Hillary’s/Kerry’s massive failures in the world-wide terror war against America. The day of the liberals is over.
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    John Gabriel, End the Islamist epidemic in America! “It is a moral outrage and a national disgrace that Islamists can commit acts designed specifically to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency. These are acts of war, barely concealed and deliberately promoted as tools of religious intolerance and even insurrection. America’s elected leaders offer prayers for jihad’s victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on radical Islam, as they did on Thursday. They distract us with arguments about gun control.

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  • Bizarre even by Mark’s increasingly erratic standard of discourse on the issues of the day.

  • I briefly ran down the list of mass shootings YTD in 2015. It’s mostly unknowns shooting four or five. The KIA ratio isn’t so high. I assume it’s largely gang or drug war related.

    A friend paged through some of the more recent ones– she found that it’s all initial report articles, and some of them even mention there were no serious injuries.

    It’s annoying, because it ignores that part of why a “mass murder” is set fairly high is to avoid somewhat normal reasons for murder– love triangles, or murder/suicides.

    They “mass shooting” folks further exposed their bias by including injuries to the shooters; so if three guys go in to rob a jewelry store, shoot the guy at the counter, and he hits them with a shotgun– it’s a “mass shooting.”
    Because it’d just be sooooo much better if his head had been caved in with a bat, or something? *shrug* Not my monkeys.

  • “Having lived 1300 years”

    You have a few years on me my bruin friend.

    I was born in 1796, taught that whippersnapper Abe Lincoln how to prepare writs, saved the Union by not enlisting in the Union army, taught Theodore Roosevelt dirty fighting, slept through both of Wilson’s inaugural addresses, ended a brilliant political career when I challenged the wheel chair bound FDR to a footrace, served in World War II as fifth assistant briefcase holder to Douglas MacArthur, forgot to vote for Wendell Wilkie in 48, didn’t like Ike, thought that Nixon was more photogenic than Kennedy, got into a fist fight with Barry Goldwater over a parking space, ran the White House “Carpenters” under Nixon, voted for Billy Carter, instead of Jimmy, appointed Secretary of Historical Oddities under Reagan, got George Bush senior to wear a Ross Perot mask to a Skull and Bones reunion, lost a fortune in Whitewater, and then got into blogging.

    🙂

  • Only the few remaining fever swamp liberal idiots believe “gun show loop hole” garbage. Those dolts and the mendacious media and pokey professors are hyperbolically bought into Obama and the progressive agenda so that they need to push this dopey distraction from Obama’s massive failures in the war, the economy, etc.
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    Remember in November. The day of the liberal is over.

  • T Shaw,
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    There are so many stupid voters out there that the day of the liberal may not be over.

  • Here is an other shooting the media has ignored:
    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/05/nobody-is-talking-about-bunny-friend-park-and-thats-a-problem/

    BLM isn’t saying a peep. Geez, I wonder why.

  • Bizarre even by Mark’s increasingly erratic standard of discourse on the issues of the day.

    I guess we see what happens when the memes don’t line up and his brain breaks trying to process it.

  • Latest from the WSJ suggests I may have been wrong about the ARs being unmodified (and thus illegal to possess in CA), but legally obtained CA legal ARs that were later modified (and thus illegal to possess in CA).
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    Mr. Farook and Ms. Malik were armed with four guns purchased more than three years ago, according to one law-enforcement official. All four guns were purchased legally. But alterations were made to two of the weapons—the guns authorities say were originally bought by Mr. Marquez [i.e. the 2 AR-15s]—which made them unlawful in California.
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    One of the semiautomatic rifles—made by DPMS Panther Arms—had been changed to more easily accommodate a large-capacity magazine, [What does that mean?] according to Meredith Davis, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
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    There was also an attempt to alter the other weapon—a Smith & Wesson M&P model—so it would fire automatically, according to the ATF, a process that takes some expertise to get right, according to gun experts.[and another ant-gun meme takes a hit.]

This War Will Be Fought Amongst Our Homes

Thursday, December 3, AD 2015

 

This could be a very ominous development indeed:

 

A man and woman who allegedly shot and killed 14 and wounded 18 at the Inland Regional Center are now dead, police say.

SAN BERNARDINO, California — Police said two shooters killed 14 people and injured even more at a center for disabled people here on Wednesday morning. The two suspects—one male, one female—were killed by police during a car chase several hours after the attack. One suspect reportedly fired shots out of the back of a black sport-utility vehicle as police gave chase. The suspects were shot and killed in the SUV, and police stated that they were found with AR-15 rifles and body armor.

Authorities identified one of the suspects as Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, an environmental health specialist at the San Bernardino County Health Department. The police later searched the home belong to the Farook family. Late Wednesday night, police identified the second suspect as Tashfeen Malik, 27.

The Inland Regional Center was hosting an event honoring county personnel when the gunmen entered and opened fire at approximately 11 a.m. local time. 

“These people came prepared,” Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said during a press conference Wednesday. 

Burguan said the shooters’ motives are unknown, but “obviously, at minimum, we have a domestic terrorist-type situation that occurred here.”

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  • He inspected restaurants etc. for the county at $70,000 a year and he and his wife first gave their six month old to his mother whom they told that they were going together for a doctor’s appointment according to the nytimes today.
    I’ve never seen anything so non rational that I can remember. Somewhere an entrepeneur is getting an idea for a nationwide armed security guards company for hire for mass events if these things keep a certain rate of reoccurence. 14 families are now mourning and the injured can have conditions that affect their health for some time if not permanently. This was an intimate emotional fretting between two people like a private coven and had it been religious, I would have thought at least the mother or brother would have had a whiff of it.
    Psalm 37:8. “do not fret, it only leads to evil.”
    Imagine if you are the six month old and at some point later on being told who your parents were. Let’s pray that God converts this remaining family and all such families and victim families to the Church.

  • Now here’s the opposite of such demonic acts. Sisters of St. Joseph of Peace working with the homeless….take the video tour… http://yorkstreetproject.org

  • “Government records show Farook, a U.S. citizen, traveled to Saudi Arabia last year. Authorities didn’t automatically attach any importance to that trip…”
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    Can anyone possibly say, “Muslim?”
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    At the Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado last weekend, the Democrats were first to say, “Right wing Christian,” which turned out to be a false accusation.

  • By “liberal” media we must include the major Catholic media as well. After all, what’s the difference between some info-babe from EWTMSNBC gushing at Bishop Barron with softball questions and Rachel Maddow doing the same with some hard leftist idol? The Catholic media’s journalistic malfeasance has, in many respects, become just as bad as the secular MSM.

  • Couldn’t happen in Texas,Texans aren’t disarmed sheeple

  • “Couldn’t happen in Texas,Texans aren’t disarmed sheeple”

    Possibly could of. Was the center in San Bernardino a “Gun Free Zone?'” I know in my state all government buildings are.

  • California’s gun control laws didn’t work so well, did they?

  • Do not believe anything from the media.
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    Being a liberal idiot (e.g., Obama and Clinton) is too easy. All one needs to do is drag out six or eight nonsensical buzz words and crank proposals.
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    We shouldn’t waste time and breath, and simply say “Screw you.” when they start up with the nonsense.
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    However, if you feel compelled to respond to their stupidity, I suggest cut and paste the latest propaganda riffs, and search-and-replace, here it’s “gun control” to auto-replace with “Muslim control.” As in, “We need common sense Muslim control legislation.” Or, “Muslim violence has reached EPIDEMIC proportions we need to appropriate $3,000,000,000 to the CDC to develop effective propaganda to ban the Koran.”
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    Going out to buy more ammunition, now.

  • T Shaw on the media’s utter disingenuouness – right on target.

    A contact of mine, when this news first broke yesterday about 11am PST, started checking police scanners (there is an app he has) in San Bernardino area: he told me soon after that the police were looking for a “Syed Farook” and other accomplices. I checked and found out that the same-name was listed as a public health inspector for the state dept of Environmental Quality in San Bernardino — a fairly unusual coincidence.

    His further checking on Farook’s Facebook page showed frequently-viewed sites associated with ISIS-type activities. My contact took a screen snap-shot before (he knew) it would be scrubbed. He was already able to establish that he was a committed “devout Muslim” (his father’s own words confirming that later in the day) and that he had relatively recently visited Saudi Arabia and brought back a wife. There is a lot more he has, but I am not at liberty to say. Of course , all the social sites are “gone” today. And: Does everyone know the killers wore body cameras, as they shot their way through the facility, so they could transmit live images of what they were doing? It is not even a question of to whom: ISIS was congratulating them even before they were instantly rehabilitated.

    How is it that my contact knew all this within a couple hours, even with Farook was still on the lam, but our news media allegedly did not? The final confirmation was how long the media took to get the name(s) of the killers out. If his last name had been O’Malley or McClarey or “Phoenix”, and associated with a Catholic website, can you think in terms of milliseconds, before that would have been broadcast?
    ….
    Humph, as a confused Pooh used to say.

  • I am just sickened by the lefty democrats who start yelling “gun control” before they even know the facts.
    1. California has some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation. high capacity magazines are banned and only certain guns can even be sold there in addition to the FBI background checks.
    2. The term “assault rifle” is the first thing bandied about when this happens when only in Paris did they have assault rifles which by definition are fully automatic instead of semi-automatic.
    3. The guns and explosives used in Paris were completely illegal to possess but guess what somehow they got them.
    4. I love the press definition of mass shootings as they sensationalize the shootings with lists of “mass shootings” – more than one person shot is not a mass shooting except in the mind of a unfettered by the truth reporter who wants to make things look worse for headlines.
    5. Violent crime is actually down but you would never know it from the press who are probably inciting most of these incidents by sensationalizing them.
    6. Violent crime is way up in countries that have banned guns – they just use other means – look up the numbers for Great Britain.

    Overall the problem is one of mental illness and frustration and I hope I am not over reaching but the Obama administration can take a lot of blame here for creating the divisiveness in this country and the resultant mental illness the stress has created. Seems funny how much has happened since he was elected president.

  • re. Nielander comments: I was astounded yet again by Obama’s coldness (and stupidity: since I think I had better intel than he at the same point in real time) that within 2 hours of the killings at San Bernardino, when the bodies were not even cold, the pools of blood not even coagulated, that he launched his ever-relentless quest for greater power and control and called for additional gun-right restrictions. Not even a word (or scarcely) of condolence for the families of the dead (and remember there are between 5 and 10 more in critical condition as of today).

    It is the same coldness in these insatiable dictator-types as when Hillary Clinton, being informed of the Ben Ghazi attacks at approx. 4pm, did nothing until 10pm–and -what was that? While the heroes Ty Woods and Glen Doherty, the 2 ex-Navy Seals, were holding off a vastly larger force from the 2ndry consul-complex where about 20 Americans were literally holed up—-she called a strategy meeting: not for military action and extraction of our personnel, but with her political advisors to strategize how to spin the news cycle. At about the same time mysterious orders went out to “stand down” to military leadership. About 6 more hours passed before Doherty and Woods were finally killed.

    These people are cold, cold,cold.

  • * times given are 4pm and 10pm Washington DC time.

  • Going out to buy more ammunition, now.

    Darn it! I knew there was something I forgot to do this morning!

  • Steven Phoenix, You can “take this to the bank”: “If you don’t read the newspapers, you are uniformed. If you read the newspapers, you are misinformed.” Newspapers were all he had when Mark Twain wrote that.
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    I was out shopping with the warden this AM and listening to AM talk radio (100% conservative, liberal shows die) show, the host said he was reporting on today’s lies on [fill-in-the-blank] in the NY Times.
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    The local constabulary, FBI, the media and anyone with a scanner knew Farook’s name eight or ten hours before it was aired by the lying media.
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    PS: Obama, Hillary, Holder, et al and seven years of anti-American programs are responsible for this.
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    What are you prepared to do?

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  • One paper says: “A man who has been working in town told CBS Los Angeles he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.”

  • Four observations:
    1. Politicians and some religious leaders refuse to recognize reality.
    2. Neighbors are afraid to report Muslim’s suspicious activities because this might be considered racist.
    3. We can’t rely on police to protect us. Police are after-the-fact guys–when folks are dead. You are on your own out there.
    4. Gun laws protect the criminals. Everyone eligible should be packing something, i.e., we need more laws favoring concealed carry.

  • I don’t think it makes much difference whether we learn Farouk’s name in 2 hours or 2 days. However, it’s an indictment of swaths of the media that they attempted to make political hay out of this even though they had a good idea of the nature of this attack. (Either that, or they’re collectively too incompetent to undertake ordinary searches).

    As for the President’s gun control babble, it’s banal. The interesting question is what he knows and what he doesn’t about the evolution of the incidence of violent crime and about the observable influences on the incidence of crime. You have to wonder if the man simply cannot process contrary information, knows very little, or is just full of it.

  • From Major Hasan/Fort Sill massacre to Chattanooga recruiter shootings to Paris 132 dead to San Bernadoo 14 dead, Obama’s war on the American way of life (he execrates the uses Americans make of their lives, liberties, and property) and Western Civilization rages.

  • T. Shaw asked the right question.
    “What are you prepared to do?”

    If you haven’t considered the possibility of being a random target for the JV squad to shoot at, then maybe you should. Not to be fearful, but to be prepared. Classes for concealed carry are relatively cheap. Target practice is crucial. The time in which you can not thwart the assailant from shooting your daughter to death, is nothing compared to a prolonged time of wondering if you could of saved her life. At the very least your giving her and others a fighting chance in an otherwise hopeless situation.

    I love God. I’m not afraid to die. I’m living in a state of Grace. Our Holy League meeting including Reconciliation, Mass and Holy Hour of Adoration starts up in forty five minutes.
    If I shot and killed a terrorist that was spraying bullets at random into a group of people, I can honestly face God and hope for His Mercy.
    Thou shall not kill. Amen.
    When family is facing certain danger it is my duty to protect them at all costs.

    What are you prepared to do, asks T. Shaw?

    What indeed.
    Prayers going out during my hour tonight for all of you. For the family’s of injured and deceased from the shootings. For our Pope.
    Peace.

  • “As for the President’s gun control babble, it’s banal. The interesting question is what he knows and what he doesn’t about the evolution of the incidence of violent crime and about the observable influences on the incidence of crime. You have to wonder if the man simply cannot process contrary information, knows very little, or is just full of it.”

    All of the above and he possesses an intellect surpassed by a soap dish. He’s as sharp as a bowling ball. Black Friday saw a sales record of guns.

    The end result is that more people are going to get CCW permits and will be packing heat.
    Government offices, of course, will continue to be “gun-free zones” except for the terrorists.

Jihadis Welcome

Saturday, October 17, AD 2015

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It often seems to me that most Catholic clerics could care less about the ordinary Catholics they are supposed to be shepherds of.  Case in point:  mass immigration of Muslims.  I wish I could say that Robert Spencer is wrong, but his observation of the feckless policy of the Catholic Church in this country regarding Muslim immigration is on target:

 

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is calling for the U.S. to take in 100,000 Syrian refugees this year alone.

The Conference shows no sign of knowing or caring that the Islamic State said last February that it would soon flood Europe with as many as 500,000 refugees. Or that an Islamic State operative recently boasted that, among the flood of refugees, 4,000 Islamic State jihadis had entered Europe. Or that the Lebanese education minister said there were 20,000 jihadis among the refugees in camps in his country.

Or that 80% of the migrants who claim to be fleeing the war in Syria aren’t actually from Syria at all, or that German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said the Islamic State is sneaking into the country with the refugees and is active in the refugee camps. Why would these “refugees” think they had to present themselves to Europe, which has welcomed the refugees, with false pretenses unless they had nefarious intentions?

Meanwhile, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is, as Ann Corcoran of Refugee Resettlement Watch points out, “NOT advocating to save the persecuted Christians of Syria through this program.” Instead, bishops such as Robert McManus, Kevin Farrell, Jaime Soto, and others are moving to silence those who speak about the Muslim persecution of Christians, and about the Islamic doctrines mandating warfare against and subjugation of Christians.

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  • And let us lay down our guns to a troubled lame duck. Poor president can’t stand the school shootings ANY longer!

    Smells bad doesn’t it!

    Why the Department of homeland security purchased billions of ammo…(?)

    Islamophobia?

    Barack Hussein Obama…
    a name that will go down in infamy!

  • Philip, they are getting neither my rifle nor my Rosary nor my Bible except from my cold dead hands. I am proudly a clinger to gun, Rosary and Bible. Remember the Mexico of Plutarco Elias Calles. Remember the Maccabean brothers and their Seleucid overlords. My motto is: Long live Christ the King.

  • Paul.
    Viva Cristo Rey!
    If my blood is shed for the greater glory of God Almighty so be it.
    What is sixty years compared to eternity?
    The blood of many a martyr has produced countless conversions for Jesus Christ.
    From St. Steven to present day Christian’s being murdered by Isis, in their trust of God many have and will come to the splendor of Truth.

    Protecting one’s family is righteousness.
    If jihad Jim storms in he will be met with resistance.

  • Regarding our porous borders and the casual attitude both this administration
    and the USCCB have towards border security, I have but one question: why are
    we keeping up this playacting at ‘security’ at airports now? If the federal government
    is going to throw in the towel and let drugs, refugees, ISIS-masquerading-as-refugees,
    and who knows what else slosh over our increasingly fictitious borders, then why
    must someone’s grandmother still take off her shoes, be patted down, and submit to
    having TSA photograph her naked? Why the scrutiny for us, but not for them?
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    It’s almost as if we citizens were the ones they were afraid of.

  • The US Government should cut off all funding for any Catholic entity. The Church built schools, hospitals, colleges, churches, orphanages and operated them all without a dime from Uncle Sam.
    The USCCB can deny Catholic history at its own peril. Pelayo, Rey San Fernando, Charles Martel, Queen Isabel the Catholic, Don Juan of Austria and Jan III Sobieski showed how to deal with Islam. The USCCB is weak.

  • Penguins Fan.

    You are right!
    Cut it all off.
    They are weak.

  • Again, I’m glad that years ago I stopped giving $$ to the US bishops.
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    Don’t you people understand? These are the least of your brothers. They hate you. They rape young boys. They mutilate female genitals. They behead Christians. They murder bomb innocents. They fly jumbo jets into tall buildings.
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    Makes you wonder: on whose side are they?
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    They say you can’t go around kicking in doors and rounding up 11,000,000,invaders. But, they would kick down 83,000,0000 Americans’ doors to take away your arms.
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    The only response to such uber stupidity: “Screw you.”

  • “Catholic bishops in this country, and to a large extent around the world, are wedded to an imaginary world in which the magic word “dialogue” solves all problems. ”

    Ever notice those who preach “dialogue” the loudest are the ones least likely to actually practice it? When comes to issues like immigration and capital punishment or similar matters, the bishops are about anything BUT dialogue!

  • This policy reflects the notion following Vatican II,
    which was promoted throughout The Catholic world
    that all religions are equal. I believe they called it
    ecumenicalism, or one world religion. The old bigoted
    principle of the one true Church which offended the
    anti-Catholic political left as a supremacist world
    view had to die with Hitler and Mussolini.
    Of course, some Christians will suffer a violent death at the
    hands of the Mohammedans for the grievous sins of
    the old intolerant church during the Crusades. Nevertheless,
    Christians will have to accommodate the Mohammedans
    as the world moves forward to the realization of the
    international left’s dream of a one world religion.

  • In France, one frequently hears the neologism, « beurgeoisie » ; from the Verlan « beur » = arabe, it refers to the growing number of successful, middle-class people of North African descent, people like Mustapha Ourrad, copy editor of Charlie Hebdo, killed in the massacre of 7 January 2015.

    One thinks of Fadela Amara, a Muslim, who when she was Secretary of State for Urban Policies described fundamentalism as something clung to by a minority through ignorance and isolation in ghetto communities that will vanish when they are given better opportunities of intellectual enlightenment and of acquiring elementary knowledge in history and the sciences. “For this generation,” she declared, “the crucial issues are laïcité, gender equality and gender desegregation, based upon living together in harmony throughout the world, and not only in France” She hailed the Jules Ferry laws, making education at every level free, obligatory and lay.

    Again, there was the vigorous defence of the headscarf ban in schools by another Muslim woman, Rachida Dati, as Minister of Justice (garde des Sceaux): “the laïcité of state schools is not restricted, in the case of pupils, to respect for their freedom of conscience: it imposes a duty of restraint on pupils in their behaviour, since they find themselves in a place pertaining to the public sphere. Pupils’ freedom of conscience, which is an internal freedom, in no way gives them ‘the right to express and manifest their religious beliefs’ in educational institutions, for that involves external acts which improperly introduce religion into the public domain of the school.”

    Then, there are grass-roots activists, like Sihem Habchi, of the Muslim women’s movement, « Ni Putes Ni Soumises » [Neither Sluts nor Door-mats]. In a forceful attack on “multiculturalism” she has demanded “No more justifications of our oppression in the name of the right to be different and of respect toward those men who force us to bow our head.” She opposes state support for religious schools, citing the Law of 9 décembre1905: the Republic does not “recognize, salary or subsidise any cult.”

    There is a dialogue taking place and extremist voices are by no means themost prominent.

  • Well there goes the theory that they only care about immigrants to fill the churches that have been emptied by their laxity and bringing of the faith down to level of the world.

  • Fish rot from the head down, but free nations rot from within their very own bowels.
    Freedom and a lot of the faith both appear constipated these days.

  • These idiot bishops who want these Muslim immigrants so badly should be forced to move out of their houses in nice neighborhoods, and plopped into one teeming with Muslims! That might make a large number of them go Charles Martel in a hurry!

  • Sometimes I think the virtue of Prudence gets lost in the shuffle of our good intentions.

  • What do you expect when a Catholic Pope kisses the Koran; and yet people claim he is a Catholic saint and a “great” one at that?
    Now who is fooling who?
    The same Catholic pope went further and prayed that St. John the Baptist should protect the heretical religion that is Islam.
    Now what do you call that?
    http://popeleo13.com/pope/2015/04/24/category-archive-message-board-318-a-wicked-campaign/

  • The Sephardic Jews can go to Israel, but where do the Christian Arabs and Africans go who are being brutully persecuted? For the US – the persecuted should enter first. All others stand in the long line.
    NO SHARIA LAW IN THE US!!

  • BTW not a single muslim will be served except by the blood of the Lord Jesus, and faith in his saving power.

  • “Christians will have to accommodate the Mohammedans as the world moves forward to the realization of the international left’s dream of a one world religion.”…based on the human being, man, as being infallible and infinite. In other words, Jesus Christ, Whom we have crucified. Our lady of Victory, pray for us. Our Lady of the Rosary, pray for us. Our Lady of Sorrows, pray for us.

  • “The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is calling for the U.S. to take in 100,000 Syrian refugees this year alone.”
    The let the USCCB take them into their homes,…and the capital murderers. Equal Justice.

  • Cpola, would you please give it a rest? You have a grudge against John Paul II. He has faced judgment for his sins. John Paul II restored the Most Holy Name of Mary to the Church calendar after Paul VI suppressed it in “honor” of Nostra Aetate.
    Cpola, did you live in Poland during WWII?
    I thought not.

  • From Spencer’s concluding sentence:
    “As the bishops enrich themselves off the flood of refugees pouring into the United States, they can congratulate themselves that no one, not even the “flock” they have betrayed, will hold them accountable for what they have done.”

    Plenty of us have about had it with their wishy-washy ways on life issues, the over-emphasis on non-citizens when many of us are in dire straits and cannot receive help from our own Church, and especially so on the acquiescence to the ACA, which has financially ruined many a regular pew sitter. (Not to mention the lack of backbone on fighting the contraceptive mandate! Ugh!)

    Other than not contributing (which I cannot currently do anyhow), how does one, or the flock, “hold them accountable”?

  • I agree with Penguins Fan. Pope St JP II made a mistake in kissing the Koran. That said, I wish Francis were half the Pope that JP II was. I pray that JP II may be declared a Doctor of the Church.

  • cpola: On the page that you suggested was this statement “It has been prophesied, that if the desecration of the Sunday after Easter Sunday, by the demonic devotion brought forward by an impious female, is not repented of, the sword of Justice will not depart from Rome and its environs.” I take it that the impious female is St. Faustina and the demonic devotion is Divine Mercy Sunday. That page is unreal.

  • How is St Faustina impious? Never mind. I don’t want to know. I read too many lunatic ravings from liberal progressives without going so far the other way that I will have come full circle to insanity. PS, I love my Divine Mercy Diary. It ain’t the Bible, but it’s tons better than anything I have ever written. 😉

  • Paul, I don’t know. That was a quote from popeleo13.com. The author is very anti-St. Pope John Paul II, esp about the possibility of him being named a Doctor of the Church.

  • Saint Pope John Paul II the Great!
    cpola…He faced down the oppression of the communist party in Poland, the ark I believe it is called, a church that was against the law.
    Polish faithful brought in stones from country land and erected this Church despite threat’s from govt. He WAS NOT AFRAID!
    Kissed a Koran. Big fricking deal.
    Look at the Life of this man!
    Shame on you cpola.
    Shame.

  • The Koran says Jesus did not die on the Cross.
    The Koran says Jesus did not resurrect from the dead.
    The Koran says Jesus is NOT the Son of God.
    Now why would a Catholic Pope kiss such a book?
    How can any Catholic regard such a pope as a saint?
    The veneration of the Koran by a Catholic Pope is blasphemy that cries to Heaven for vengeance. And that day is coming.
    We shall all be witnesses.

  • cpola.

    If Saint Pope John Paul II the Great fruits are rotton because he kissed the Koran, then the hundreds of thousands of people he helped into Holy Catholic Church are rotton too, according to your logic.
    Go suck an egg!

  • Cpola’s fixation on the kissing of the Koran is tiresome. The Church faithful has to put up with Kasper, Marx, Daneels and others of their ilk and cpola keeps dragging up John Paul II and the Koran.
    Please go away. Nobody here is impressed with you.

  • “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you traverse sea and land to make a convert, and when he becomes a convert, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.”
    (Matthew 23 v 15)
    Phillip, I rest my case for now. But I will not rest till I see the eyes of faithful Catholics opened to the lies of the past 50 years.

  • Great cpola, aka “The De-Evangelist.”
    Maybe your opinions will help to cease the increase in vocations to the priesthood.
    Maybe you’ll turn potential converts away from Holy Church. Maybe you’ll get your eternal rewards, and wonder why YOU are in the smoking section.
    Much to ponder.

  • Many many people made the mistake of identifying Islam as a religion of peace, even as a great religion. The relativistic malaise of the twentieth century certainly sickened the Church along with the rest of the world. B16 tried to call out Islam and got smacked down hard.

    I guess John Paul 2 did a lot of wonderful things, but also made some mistakes about Islam, the extent of sexual sin in the priesthood and probably ecumenism.. God rest his soul.
    Even though he was a very holy man, I do think many mistakes were made during the time of JP2 pontificate,
    /
    The credibility of the Church in naming saints took a big hit with the naming of John 23. Made it all look political…no miracles that I know of.
    /
    I don’t agree with cpola, but know he has a right to his opinions and to express them.

  • Guest said
    From Spencer’s concluding sentence:
    “As the bishops enrich themselves off the flood of refugees pouring into the United States, they can congratulate themselves that no one, not even the “flock” they have betrayed, will hold them accountable for what they have done.”
    ….anyhow), how does one, or the flock, “hold them accountable”?
    I wonder that too,Guest. maybe Canon lawyer Peters knows if we laity have any recourse?

Holy Thursday Massacre

Thursday, April 2, AD 2015

24 Responses to Holy Thursday Massacre

  • I’m sensing pacifistic strains of theology in that area if 4 men can kill 147….in an area that has Al Shabaab as a threat. It wasn’t New Hampshire. Their expectations in Kenya should have prepared them for the worst. Several of Christ’s men carried machaira…combat swords probably against muggers as in the good Samaritan parable. Is there a preacher on earth that will mention it. No. Pre modern medicine, you could more likely be indigent for life after an atrocious assault….hence Christ did not de-sword them though He rebuked Peter in Gethsemane because Peter was using it against authority….however sinful that authority was. But in the US, we are rolling the dice too until the next school killing because armed guards at schools disturb our culture’s premise that this is not a fallen world…what Gabriel Marcel called a “broken” world.
    Two women were just arrested across the river from me in NYC for plotting jihadist terrorism…one leaves two children …5 and 11…without a mom as she serves life probably. The children are better off…and they seemingly have a non jihad dad who never saw it coming. He’s having quite a week.

  • “…..if you were a Christian you were shot on the spot.”

    Grace comes in many forms.
    For the slain it was final victory.
    For their loved ones, a hope of healing and peace.

    If Grace comes in the form of final victory for us, I pray we are ready to admit our Christian Faith, and not deny it.

    Blood of Christ wash us and make us ready for what may come.

  • Four is how many of the attackers were shot, not needfully the total who were there.

    I do want to know why people aren’t armed, though; I’m pretty dang sure that the number of people carrying where they’re not allowed to in the US is going way up.

  • From Reuters….a poignant detail yet the best mistake of their lives in eternity terms:

    Reuben Mwavita, 21, a student, said he saw three female students kneeling in front of the gunmen, begging for mercy.

    “The mistake they made was to say ‘Jesus, please save us’, because that is when they were immediately shot,” Mwavita said.

  • Mwavita called it a mistake..I think it a testimony…the very best One she ever made.

  • Here is this week’s arrest in NYC of two women jihadists who intended a crowd bombing….an undercover officer did the central work..

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/wannabe-terrorists-weighed-attack-nypd-funeral-complaint-article-1.2171174

  • Foxfier,
    .
    In CT, IL, NY, NJ, etc. the only ones carrying weapons are cops, criminals and jihadis. I am so safe I could . . .
    .
    I bet Obama won’t retire to Kenya.

  • Can you imagine the joy of a quick martyrdom? Knowing that you’re dying for your belief, no long trials, just the simplicity of testimony and instant reward.

  • (That’s not to discount the joy that would be found in attempting to wrest a gun from a murderer’s hand and go Rambo.)

  • Well, by definition, someone who is carrying a gun even where it’s not legal has become a criminal.
    Doesn’t mean they’re what most folks are thinking of when they say “criminal.” I know that there’s a dang good reason that, even though even residents are not supposed to carry their weapons around on base, there has not been a mass shooting in any area where they weren’t taking active steps to make sure folks were disarmed.
    Kind of like that mall in Portland that has a no-gun policy. Didn’t stop the guy who went there to do a mass murder… but it also didn’t stop the guy who knew the “or else” involved was just being banned from the mall if caught.

  • T. Shaw: I can’t speak to what’s happening in CT, NY or NJ, but IL has now had concealed carry for over a year and more than 5,000 people got permits immediately after the law took effect. The numbers continue to increase. The Illinois State Police process the applications and to date only a small percentage of applicants have been rejected. If you are an IL resident that can bear the expense of the application fees and the required training (8 hours if you have military or previous firearms experience, 16 hours if you’ve never handled a gun before), and don’t have a criminal record, you shouldn’t have too much trouble getting a permit, as far as I can tell. So no, you need not be a “cop, criminal or jihadi” to carry in IL these days.

  • One of the murderers was overheard by a survivor to be taunting his victims:
    “We are not bad guys, we are just here to make your Easter Holiday better”

  • So muslims are on the rampage again?
    Well, how about kissing their “holy” book the Koran; and then canonize Catholics who wish to protect the religion of Islam (thereby continue to wreck havoc on Christians)
    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/travels/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_20000321_wadi-al-kharrar_en.htm
    .
    http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A055rcKoran.htm
    .
    By the Way: not one single muslim will be saved except by the blood of Jesus. So why would a Catholic wish this blasphemous religion well.
    http://popeleo13.com/pope/2014/11/19/category-archive-harvest-of-plagues-5/

  • This horrific massacre deliberately timed for Holy Thursday is sending a message to Christians worldwide that they perceive us vulnerable everywhere, and also to President Obama, in advance of his announced trip to Kenya, that they have no fear of the US and no respect for a weak leader.

  • CAM.

    Obama is not a threat to radical Islam.
    I see Obama as one of the most influential contributors to the advance of radical Islam. Nothing better for Obama than open boarders allowing the growth of terrorist cells in this nation which Obama hates. Obama is ISIS.
    Anti-colonists from his beginnings, he seeks the death of America.

  • Anti-colonists from his beginnings, he seeks the death of America.

    Rubbish. The President seeks little other than the next round of golf and strategies to get Mooch and ValJar off his back. Not much too him other than vain and peevish displays.

  • Unfortunately for the US and the world, Obama is Muslim.

    Do not be fooled by his “apparent” weakness.

    The U.S. commands the largest army in the world amd Obama knows the power that he holds. He CHOOSES not to act. Even in Kenya where his roots lie.

    I’m beyond words at the ridicule and indifference of your president in the face of the suffering brought on by Muslim extremism.

    What strikes even harder is his buffoon of a wife. Michelle Obama acting like an idiotic clown on National TV on Jimmy Fallon. With no respect to the office her husband was elected to. Completely different to the suffering of the suffering of the Chrstians who begged for their lives to Our Lord Jesus. Africans, like her ancestry. Africans like her husbands ancestry. Holding up stupid placards in abhorrent patronising mockery to so called “bring our girls back” when Boko Haram kidnapped and raped those girls. Raising insolent spoilt brats who sulk like fools during public appearances. I can’t express my loathing for Obamas pathetic indifference. And his wife. And his brood. Full stop.

    They want to wipe out the Christians where they can. In Africa. In the Middle East. Because they are Muslim. The President of the United States of American is Muslim. There is not an ounce of even fake Christian blood in his Halal body.

    He is a monkey in every sense of the word. A despicable excuse for a human being.

    I pray those students were welcomed in Paradise. I pray for their mourning families. Their suffering will endure till the day they die.

    And Obama will sit back and feign weakness and his wife will still act like a hyena.

  • Cpola- it was one mistake kissing that piece of garbage. That one mistake does not colour an ENTIRE pontificate. St PJPII was a great man. A solid leader of the Church. Yes he failed to uncover and control abuses in the Church. He was a poor administrator and gullible to some (Marciel). But so am I at times. And so are you at times. The difference is our expectations are high of our Church Leaders. But there is no point expecting him to have the knowledge and perfection of God. No human on this Earth has ever or will ever. All will disappoint and fail. It should remind us we are ALL human. Even the Pope. Even past Popes. They make mistakes. Saints made mistakes. Whoever has no regrets on this earth and no remorse is frankly- a liar.

    I prayed to St PJPII during my chemo. I was meant to have 8 rounds (4 cycles). On the morning of my 6th round my Doctor told me he thought this would be my last and I would not require more. That morning was October 22nd 2013. The feast day of St PJPII. I don’t believe in “coincidences”. Because I believe in God. St PJPII interceded for me.

  • Philip, I agree that Obama is not a threat to Islam, Islamic militants, or Muslim theocracies. If fact, the jihadists are bolder and have more distain for the US because of him and his Administration’s bad foreign and immigration policies. I don’t underestimate the man at all. What appears ineptness and non chalance could be cunning. Our government appears weak and afraid and same for some of Church hierarchy. Strength is a deterrent.

  • In my comment below the post Pat Archbold Fired From National Catholic Register, I tackled the accusation made against Pope St. John Paul II [the Great] i.e., that he allegedly kissed the Qur’an. I was able to show inter alia that those making such an accusation have not even bothered to reach out to the Vatican for a clarification.

    In this comment, I would like to address the following from the Holy Father’s prayer:

    God bless you all! God bless Jordan!
    May Saint John Baptist protect Islam and all the people of Jordan, and all who participated in this celebration, a memorable celebration. I’m very grateful to all of you. – Cf. John Paul II | Travels 2000 | JUBILEE PILGRIMAGE OF HIS HOLINESS JOHN PAUL II TO THE HOLY LAND (MARCH 20-26, 2000) | VISIT TO WADI AL-KHARRAR | PRAYER OF THE HOLY FATHER, Tuesday, 21 March 2000.

    Of course I speak neither for the Vatican nor for the Church nor for the saintly Pope, whose intercession I try to seek daily. Perhaps it is because of his intercession that I make this defence on his behalf.

    One will note that after Pope St. John Paul II [the Great] prays God bless Jordan, he doesn’t extend such a prayer and blessing to Islam. cpola in his comment here interprets May Saint John Baptist protect Islam to mean thereby continue to wreck havoc on Christians.

    Prayer is the raising up of the mind and heart to God, therefore one wonders then how cpola knows what was on the mind of the Pope when he made this prayer or how God received it.

    A definition of protect protect is to keep safe from harm or injury. Therefore using this definition, the saintly Pope’s prayer becomes May Saint John Baptist keep Islam from harm or injury. The players in drama of the History of Creation are God and God in his angels and in his saints, and the primeval serpent – the devil or Satan – and his angels, and men who give themselves over to him. It is the war of the good guys and the bad guys.

    Therefore we may now interpret the Pope’s prayer as Islam be kept from being harmed or injured by the Good or the evil. I would say the ones capable of doing harm or injury are the evil ones since every action of God even when he punishes or brings disaster is good. For this prayer to be good, the Pope might have been praying that May Saint John Baptist protect Islam and all the people of Jordan from being the instruments of evil/the evil ones. To me this is a good prayer.
    If the prayer be interpreted as cpola interprets it – I do not see how he arrives at this interpretation, – it is a bad prayer, and if bad, why does he and others of like thinking worry? A bad prayer goes unanswered and one praying as such is accountable for it.

    Of the things that appear missed in my other comment: since Pope John Paul II is now a saint, whatever his sins, mistakes, shortcomings, etc. – I gave the example of the good thief, first Pope Peter and 10 Apostles who are now saints – they have now been forgiven and he is now beholding the face of the One who in his mercy and Power made him Shepherd over all of his flock and made him saint. Pope St. John Paul II, pray for us.
    *
    This comment is already long to tackle the other issues with cpola’s comment e.g. if Catholic, not submitting to the Judgment of the LORD’s Church, which in itself is a direct attack on the LORD himself, and places one’s salvation in grave danger on so many levels.

  • If Islam must exist, by no choice of ours, other than Gods will to test our Faith, then It should follow THIS model:

    http://www.fides.org/en/news/37527-3ASIA_LEBANON_Christians_and_Muslims_celebrate_together_the_feast_of_the_Annunciation#.VSBYRIkazCQ

    This is what St PJPII intention was. I’m certain.

  • Just to be clear:
    1) Islam, Christianity: Only One Can Be True.
    2) It appears Catholic-Muslim dialogue is at the end of the road.
    3) God will explain to us later VII and its aftermath. We know via the Apostle to the Gentiles that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. [Cf. Rom 8:28 (RSVCE)].
    *
    To me the perpetual message of the Church – again from the Apostle to the Gentiles – ought to be preaching in season and out of season, Jesus Christ and him crucified, a preaching which Islam/Muslims reject.

  • FM Shyanguya: “A definition of protect protect is to keep safe from harm or injury. Therefore using this definition, the saintly Pope’s prayer becomes May Saint John Baptist keep Islam from harm or injury.”
    .
    Islam says Jesus of Nazareth is not the Son of God.
    Islam says Jesus of Nazareth did not die on the cross at Golgotha
    Islam says Jesus of Nazareth did not die for anybody’s sins
    Islam says Jesus of Nazareth did not resurrect on the 3rd day
    Islam says Jesus is not the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world
    .
    Therefore why would any Catholic pray that the Catholic saint who says Jesus of Nazareth is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world [St. John the Baptist] should protect a satanic and false religion called Islam?
    .
    Folks, really, the Church is in deep crisis.
    And so is the world with people like President Obama in position of power

Conquering Rome: Well Why Not?

Tuesday, February 17, AD 2015

Christians Beheaded

Ho hum, ISIS beheads 21 Christians for their faith and says that they are going to conquer Rome.  The response of the West?  You guessed it!  Words! Ed Morrissey of Hot Air brings us the details:

 

 

 

Call this a contrast of leadership. In a meeting today with a delegation from the Church of Scotland, who traveled to the Vatican on an ecumenical visit, Pope Francis decried the slaughter of 21 Coptic Christians from Egypt by Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS).  Speaking in his native Spanish, the pontiff  used the ecumenical audience of Presbyterians to declare that the Copts were martyred for their faith — the faith of all Christians. They died “only because they confessed Christ,” Pope Francis emphasized, and their “testimony cries out to be heard”:

I would now like to turn to my native tongue to express feelings of profound sorrow. Today I read about the execution of those twenty-one or twenty-two Coptic Christians. Their only words were: “Jesus, help me!”. They were killed simply for the fact that they were Christians. You, my brother, in your words referred to what is happening in the land of Jesus. The blood of our Christian brothers and sisters is a testimony which cries out to be heard. It makes no difference whether they be Catholics, Orthodox, Copts or Protestants. They are Christians! Their blood is one and the same. Their blood confesses Christ. As we recall these brothers and sisters who died only because they confessed Christ, I ask that we encourage each another to go forward with this ecumenism which is giving us strength, the ecumenism of blood. The martyrs belong to all Christians.

Now, the point that the 21 men were beheaded for their faith isn’t exactly a subtlety in the ISIS propaganda video. The video title calls it “A Message Signed with Blood to the Nation of the Cross.” After beheading the Coptic Christian hostages, the Islamist terror leader threatens to “conquer Rome”:

After the ISIS leader finishes speaking, his fellow terrorists then commence the beheading of the 21 Egyptian Christians. “And we will conquer Rome, by Allah’s permission, the promise of our Prophet, peace be upon him,” The militant leader says after his comrades slaughter the Christian hostages.

Get the point? Most did, but not so much the White House. In the statement released yesterday after the video emerged, the Obama administration declared its outrage over the murder of … “Egyptian citizens” (via Charlie Spiering and Jeryl Bier, emphases mine):

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47 Responses to Conquering Rome: Well Why Not?

  • Glad to see my “coexist” bumper sticker is working.

  • Something tells me that when ISIS is literally at the door to the Vatican, we will no longer hear that “violence never conquers violence.” Obama is no different. It’s only when his ox gets gored that he will act.

  • Walid Shobat, the former PLO terrorist, has been saying for years that the ultimate target of the jihadist’s was Rome and the Catholic Church. We have better rouse ourselves and make Islam our main target for evangelization and warfare!

  • Father,
    .

    What is Obama’s “ox” of which you post? It is not our country and way of life both of which he hates.
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    Ken,
    .

    is the “coexist” bumper sticker to the right or to the left of the “9/11 was an inside job!” bumper sticker?
    .

    ISIS et al will win. They have powerful allies in latter day quislings: Hillary, Eliz. Warren, Obama, the MSM, and the democrat party.

  • Christianity only matters to Obama when it’s useful. Admitting that folks have been martyred is no more useful than admitting knowledge that the Crusades were defensive.

  • (Steve Martin– your link wasn’t working; edited it so the page would load. Apologies if this steps on toes.)
    Mr. Thomas’ article says pretty much what I’m worried about, although without my focus on “this is what the US not being involved in foreign situations looks like.”

  • “….and we conquer Rome by Allah’s permission…”

    Haaaahaa hooheehaa hawhooo.

    Please stop by New York and San Francisco first. You have Allah’s permission. I just stepped over a pile of him in the park…dirty dogs.

  • A cogent assessment of our situation came a few months back from an odd source, Peggy Noonan.

    Seven years ago I was talking to a longtime Democratic operative on Capitol Hill about a politician who was in trouble. The pol was likely finished, he said. I was surprised. Can’t he change things and dig himself out? No. “People do what they know how to do.” Politicians don’t have a vast repertoire. When they get in a jam they just do what they’ve always done, even if it’s not working anymore.

    And thar ya have it. Both Obama and Francis are mediocre men who sit atop an apparatus animated by the injelitance of the man at the top. What they know how to do is run their mouths in an undisciplined manner, act as conduits for the default worldview of one or two subcultures, and engage in displays of misdirection in a signature style. Our political institutions and the Catholic Church should have antibodies which consign characters like this to loci where their vapidity cannot do any harm. The question is whether we can collectively straighten up and fly right before ISIS is able to do real damage outside of a restricted area.

  • Sisi appears to have responded to the beheading of 21 of Egypt’s citizens as a personal challenge, with imediate air strikes on ISIS positionsin Libya.

    ISIS are not only a threat on his Western border, but could be a source of subversion among the disaffected supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood.

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  • Too late… It was already conquered by The Freemasonic, enlightened, pluralistic, indifferentism forces in the 60s and 70s…

  • Sorry, Holy Father, but I’m sure you’ve read the infallible text of the Council of Florence. There is no mention of “ecumenism of blood.”

  • Ecumenism?

    The Pope should be calling for a new Holy League to defeat this plague like we did at Lepanto in 1571. In the past, this was the kind of conduct that caused Popes to call a Crusade to liberate and protect our fellow Christians. Seriously.

  • If the hierarchy proceeds with the synod and gives Our Lord’s body to desecration in the Blessed Sacrament, then Rome deserves to be attacked by Muslims. In fact, it is often God’s plan to use outsiders to chastise. Witness the ancient Israelites. Punishment is often the only means God has to call back His stiffnecked and wayward children. Our Lady told the children of Fatima many times that Russia would be used by God to scourge the world. I will not be surprised in the least to see a revolution, with bloodshed, in Rome.

  • Why does anyone expect more from the Roman Pontiff than that which we have already seen? Trads are bad. The FFI has been suppressed because the Roman Pontiff doesn’t like them. +Kasper goes anywhere he wants and says what he wants and it’s all okay with the Roman Pontiff. The Roman Pontiff has words for those who pray Rosaries for him and for a lady with seven children but not for Muslim terrorists who attack members of his own Church.

    Obumbler and the people who supported him and put him where he is are syncophants, addicted to a failed worldview that they cannot let go of because their lies are more comforting to them than the truth. The Roman Pontiff has succeeded in making much of the Western media like him but he has proven himself not up to the job of being the Vicar of Rome.

    I dare anyone at Patheos, Shea, Voris or any other professional papal apologist to make an excuse for what Fr. Volpi did.

    The College of Cardinals made a massive mistake and it should not be repeated.

  • I don’t see what’s wrong with what the Holy Father said. I also don’t see why the President has a greater obligation to defend Christians. The White House statement was pretty miserable, though. It’s part of this ongoing effort to discredit ISIS as non-Muslim. It’s doomed to fail. There’s an article in The Atlantic that everyone’s talking about, and if you haven’t read it yet, I strongly recommend it:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

  • Oh, one other thing. ISIS may be thinking that they can almost walk into Rome.
    There is still one nation in Europe, one Catholic nation, that has fought against tsars, kaisers, Teutonic Knights, kings, emperors, Nazis, Communists….and kicked the living $%&# out of invading Muslims.

  • Penguins Fan is a Pole?

  • Ken on Tuesday, February 17, A.D. 2015 at 5:33pm
    Penguins Fan is a Pole?

    And he likes contact sports and knows one needs to fight. Good man.

  • . Keep perspective. ISIS burned one Jordanian pilot and Jordan bombed Raqqa, their headquarters for two days…killing probably over a hundred militants…if not three times that. The Libyan branch beheaded 21 Egyptian Christians and Egypt bombed them with a Libyan insider saying 40 militants were killed. Isis does bad math because they love the media limelight. Oddest choice I know of. ISIS executed 100 ISIS people in Raqqa who wanted to leave their ranks. ISIS is suicidal and you simply can’t win long term with their math of killing one…broadcasting it on video and then losing a hundred of your own in retaliation the next day. Their literature also uses the word “Rome” iconically for Europe and America. They have trained Baathist soldiers but also thousands of unemployed, Muslim alienated youth from many countries who they probably dumped into the fish barrel that was Kobani for months….knowing they’d get bombed by us certainly. The Shiites have kicked their ass in Diyala province. They will be contained and its best if they are contained by locals if possible in this stage. Obama was elected to get our men out of there. His bombing campaign with Arabs no less helping is a good direction for now. War is like welfare. If we do it for them, the Shiite militia will go back to sleep. They’re very awake now and fighting well. Thete are problems though with some of them.

  • Long term Bill ISIS is probably not a major threat, at least to those of us lucky enough to live in the West and to not be victims of the atrocities their hangers on in our countries decide to undertake. However, the maladies that afflict the West will not end with ISIS. ISIS is a symptom of our weakness, and that weakness will remain long after ISIS is gone. One fine day a group like ISIS will acquire nuclear weapons and then we will see what happens.

  • ps….You’ll notice mideast speakers exaggerate their potential constantly. Hussein warned us ithat the Kuwait/ Gulf war would be the mother of all wars…it was nothing and Iraqis surrendered in droves. Hamas warned Israel that they were opening up the gates of hell…yeah for the idiots who voted Hamas in since 2000 of them were killed. Even Jordan used the “hell” simile last week in warning ISIS. It’s a theatrical zone over there.

  • Donald,
    Yes….nuclear is the real problem of the future.

  • Bill, you make good points, but I remember our own media warning us about the potent Iraqi military after the invasion of Kuwait.

  • Ken, I remember the news media predicting 10,000 American deaths during the first Gulf War. I was an infantry medic, and was sent to the Army’s medical NCO school. By the time I got out it was over. I think that any organization that needs to kill its members to keep them in line has serious problems to its continued existence, but not in the short term. Soviet Russia did similar things to its troops in World War 2. They beat back the Germans, but imploded a little over thirty years later. Yet they were not able to conquer the Finns. I don’t think ISIS is an existential threat to the West, but they are certainly creating human misery in their sphere of control. That in itself will destroy them and it will be hastened if other countries in the area decide they’ve had enough.

  • Personally, I’d say if we could convince them to go along with it, it would be worth it to consider offering turkey, jordan, and the attempting-to-repair itself Iraq US ground troops to carve up daesh (isis hates the term) territory.

    Yesterday, I was laughing about the delusions of the kids that make up daesh that they could conquer the USA. Today, I ended up reading an interesting article that argued that in fact some of them WANT US ground forces there because they expect to get smashed, then Jesus will come back to help them when all seems lost. So…..they think they are provoking Armageddon.

  • JS Person, I was reading similar things about their apocalyptic vision. They think they’ll battle the West near a town in Syria. If we never give them that battle, it will be rather awkward for them, sort of like all the sects in the US predicting the end of the world in 1840’s, then revising, and re-revising their predictions. Perhaps Obama’s grand strategy is to surrender without fighting just to prove their predictions wrong. : )

  • JS-
    I just posted a link to a very good summary of, if not that article, then a similar one.
    We can’t treat ISIS the same as other problems we’ve had in the area, because they’ve got different considerations. We might be able to use the division between the ISIS faction and the other two that they already want to kill for being the wrong flavor of Muslim, but it’s hard to figure.
    They’re going to get more brutal, though.

  • Ken: “Penguins Fan is a Pole?”
    Poland gave us Michael Copernicus, Madame Curie, Frederic Chopin, Thaddeus Kosciuszko, Casimir Pulaski, John Sobieski, John Paul II and Penguins Fan….

  • Bill Bannon wrote, “nuclear is the real problem of the future”

    It is, indeed, and Iran with its nuclear ambitions is the real enemy. Only Iran poses an existential threat to Israel and so to the West.

    Now, the Assad regime in Syria is an Iranian alley, so was the Shiite dominated government in Baghdad. Hezbollah in Lebanon is an Iranian proxy and so are the Houthi rebels in Yemen.

    We should be imitating Richelieu in the Thirty Years War, who supported and funded Gustavus Adolphus, , the Protestant Princes of Germany and even the Turks: anyone, in short, who would fight the Habsburg power that was encircling the Pré Carré.

  • Mary,

    You forgot to include my name on that list.

  • MP-S’ analysis seems to be pertinent. In view of the centuries-old blood feud between the Shia and Sunni elements of Murder Incarnate, likely ISIS, AQ, Saudi, et al have as much to fear (Iran nuclear) as the USA and Israel. Only thing, you insult Richelieu by mentioning him in a post along with today’s idiots-in-charge, with far too much power.
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    And, what sense does it make to ally the forces of truth and justice with the Sunni/Wahabbi allies and financiers of the terrorists?

  • Is it too much to ask the Muslim world to rise as one against the monstrous ISIS? Perhaps the outside world thought something similar in the 1930’s about NAZI Germany, that the Germans themselves would not acquiesce in such a barbarous regime.

    Come to think of it, have we not seen, here, in the USA, at least some protest against the Culture of Death and the totalitarian “democracy” that has given us Roe v. Wade?

    Even so, any nation that elects a barbarian who publicly supports the killing of babies who accidentally survive abortion is a nation soon “gone under,” to borrow another President’s phrase.

    Where does it end?

    The private revelations of Akita, and of Fatima, come to mind.

    Bishop Sheen said that the conversion of the Muslims might come about through Mary.

    If we are to head off to war, we should “grab a weapon” that is foremost in efficacy: the Holy Rosary.

  • “If we are to head off to war, we should “grab a weapon” that is foremost in efficacy: the Holy Rosary.”

    Indeed as at Lepanto grab the Holy Rosary and pray it. But also like at Lepanto make sure your leadership is good and courageous, your men are brave and skilled and your technology is superior.

  • Is it too much to ask the Muslim world to rise as one against the monstrous ISIS?

    Sadly, yes. The best we can hope for is that the factions against them will be joined by the saner part of the group ISIS claims to lead.
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    Democracy didn’t give us Roe v. Wade, lies and lawfare did, and given how many lies and how much misleading went into Obama’s election, I can’t agree that his support of infanticide bodes anything for the country, especially given that infanticide is a rather historically common problem. (One which Christianity grew strong in party by defying– early Christians rescued the abandoned children, and raised them. This resulted in a lot of people, when they went looking for wives, finding only Christian wives, and mothers are the first teachers.)

  • Yes, this has been their intent since the beginning! Please note it matches the visions of pope pius(sorry, I have read it often but forget his number…there have so many with that name) and it matches the 3rd fatima vision. Websearch pope pius vision of the end time and also the secret vision of fatima. I assure you pope francis is aware of these. Daesh (Isis) announced this intent to take the vatican (not just Rome) in june 2014! Possibly earlier but I have seen media articles stating this as far back as that date. They wish to capture and murder the pope. They are close…as libia is only some miles from Italy. They also announced they will conquer Jerusalem and spain, then the world. This is daemon run and satan is their leader and god. Jesus said satan is a liar and the father of lies, ie all liars are children of satan. ISIS has lied from the beginning and are in fact famous for that fact. Example trying to trade the dead jordanian pilot… they kill people then release the murder at a politically convenient time. A typical lie for them. They are instructed to lie by muhaamad in both the Koran and the Hadiths! Please pardon my typos as I am texting and do not have a real keyboard. One of many sites on the third secret of fatima http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2010/03/third-secret-of-fatima-explained.html and

    http://j.l.navarro.tripod.com/jlnavarro/id18.html

    “… Pope Pius X (1903-14): This Pope had a number of prophetic visions. In 1909, in the midst of an audience with members of the Franciscan order, he seemed to fall into a trance. Moments passed, then his eyes sprung open and he jumped to his feet. “What I have seen is terrifying!” he cried out. “Will I be the one, or will it be a successor? What is certain is that the Pope will leave Rome and, in leaving the Vatican, he will have to pass over the dead bodies of his priests!” It’s uncertain what this vision alluded to, but it is similar in many respects to the reported third prophecy of Fatima. Later, shortly before his death, another vision came to him: “I have seen one of my successors, of the same name, who was fleeing over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in some hiding place; but after a brief respite, he will die a cruel death. Respect for God has disappeared from human hearts. They wish to efface even God’s memory. This perversity is nothing less than the beginning of the last days of the world.”

  • There is: “A time of love, and a time of hatred. A time of war, and a time of peace.”
    However, “if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?” These two observations are troubling enough but a third, even more. “Yet when the Son of Man comes, will He find, do you think, faith upon the earth?”

  • Ken: “Mary,
    You forgot to include my name on that list.”

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    For sure: Ken and Mary,too.
    .
    Ishmael and Isaac are still fighting. God has promised that Isaac shall prevail.

  • Curious.
    On December 16th 2009 over the domes of the Coptic Church in Egypt thousands of people flooded the streets to see an apparition of The Blessed Virgin Mary.
    At one point the priest finally came out to view her for himself.

    A similar apparition occurred at the Coptic church beginning on April 2nd 1968. Over a million people we’re able to see her during her visits.

    I’m reminded that grace conquers sin and our newly martyred saints may just be the seeds that will help conversions to flourish. I hope Archbishop Fulton Sheen is correct. Muslim conversions on the horizon.

    Mary, Queen of Heaven, see to this. You love all your children. Bring them into your Holy Sons embrace.

  • Their (ISIS) literature also uses the word “Rome” iconically for Europe and America.
    –bill bannon

    IIRC that is a usage among Middle Eastern Mohammedans that goes back a long time. The Byzantines identified themselves as Romans and over time Mohammedans extended the term to mean all Europeans.

  • Mohammedans have sacked Rome before, in 846 AD.

  • Micha Elyi

    In the Ottoman Empire, the Christian community was known as the Rum Millet, from Ρωμιοί (meaning “Romans”)

  • A couple of Iranian clerics a few years back said that Rome ought to be the first thing they nuke. Just so y’all know…

  • 5:00 news brief:
    UMass, after State Dept. lift of some sanction, will now allow Iranian students to enter science and engineering programs. There must be diplomatic activity. ?

  • Well, my birth certificate reads City of Greensburg, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (or the common-broke of Pennsylvania), not Rzeczpospolita Polska, so that makes me a yunzer and a ‘murrican. My polish vocabulary is limited to dupa, puppu, zhimno, spać, pierogi, kielbasa, and dziękuję, and maybe a few others.

    Being an accountant, I am not in league with those extraordinary Poles mentioned. The Internet has its good uses and it is worth noting that Polish history, usually ignored in the West, is extraordinary by any measure and Poland has distinguished itself by fighting against some of the nastiest regimes in history and, when battling one on one, usually was the victor.

    ISIS should remember that the Poles have turned forces far superior to theirs into a gigantic red spot on the ground. So should Putin remember that as well.

  • some thoughts: What are the Muslims going to do with the souls of their victims in heaven? The Muslims cannot kill the Christians a second time. The Christians are pure spirits now. The Muslims cannot make slaves of them because there is no harm that can be done to an immortal soul in heaven. The Muslims cannot tax the Christians to death because the Christians have no money in heaven. It appears that if the Muslims set the Christians free of their earthly coil, the Muslims have lost all power over them. If Allah does not like Christians or the Christians keep getting in the way of the 72 virgins promised, there may be a greater problem for the Muslims in heaven then on earth.

Something Rotten in Denmark and the West

Sunday, February 15, AD 2015

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Police in Copenhagen say they have shot dead a man they believe was behind two deadly attacks in the Danish capital hours earlier.

Police say they killed the man in the Norrebro district after he opened fire on them.

It came after one person was killed and three police officers injured at a free speech debate in a cafe on Saturday.

In the second attack, a Jewish man was killed and two police officers wounded near the city’s main synagogue.

Police say video surveillance suggested the same man carried out both attacks. They do not believe any other people were involved.

“We assume that it’s the same culprit behind both incidents, and we also assume that the culprit that was shot by the police task force… is the person behind both of these assassinations,” Chief Police Inspector Torben Molgaard Jensen told a news conference.

He said police would maintain a high presence in the city.

Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt said it was “a very sad morning” and described the shootings as “a cynical act of terror against Denmark”.

“I am happy and relieved that police have disarmed the alleged perpetrator behind the two shootings,” she said in a statement. “I will continue to encourage everyone to follow police instructions and be vigilant.”

Early on Sunday, police said they had been keeping an address under observation in the district of Norrebro, waiting for the occupant to return.

When he appeared, he noticed the officers, pulled out a gun and opened fire, police said. They returned fire and shot him dead. The incident happened near Norrebro train station.

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  • In dealing with these terrorists, the authorities, both in France and Denmark appear to be pursuing Turreau’s solution in the Vendée – “those who wish to die for their faith are being given every opportunity to do so.”

  • Liberal progressive atheist Democrats and Islamic terrorists deserve each other. Sadly, millions of innocent people stand between them.
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    BTW, just as God allowed the utterly wicked Assyrians and Babylonians to punish the children of Israel and Judah for their rebellion, so also may He (because He does not change and always does the right thing in the right way) allow the utterly wicked Islamic terrorists to punish the liberal progressives for their equivocation of license with liberty. But the rain falls on the good and the bad.

  • What is at stake here, too, is the principle of separation of church and state, as St. Thomas More said: “If he offends God, then let God arrest him.” The immortal soul of Mohammed does not need the death of any person to defend him. Allah does not need the death of any person to remain Allah. Islam is a theocracy as is the nation of Israel. If the nation of Israel can bring peace and prosperity to its people, what is Islam waiting for?
    Vengeance is mine saith the Lord.

  • The man identified as the perpetrator, who was shot dead by Danish security police, was 22-yr-old Danish-born Omar Abdel Hadid El-Hussein, obviously born of Egyptian Arabic parents (he was heard shouting in Arabic when he killed film director Lars Vilk). The late shooter has an interesting name—apparently named for another Egyptian of note, the “Blind Sheik”, Omar Abdel Rahman. Hmmm. 1993, the year the late El-Hussein was born, the year he acquired his “patron-saint” patronymic, what was the Blind Sheik up to, so that his parents would want to have their baby boy follow in his steps? Oh, well, could be that was the year of the first World Trade Center bombing, of course master-minded by the BS.

    All a coincidence of course. Soon the heads of his mosque will come forward and assert he was a “mentally-ill young man, and not representative of Islam.” International press members are already calling him a “gang-member.” I agree: his gang’s street symbols are the Star and Crescent.

  • Correction, I meant to say Finn Norgaard was the Swedish film director killed by El-Hussein, not Lars Vilk, who was a likely target…

Cause the Media Tells Me So

Saturday, January 17, AD 2015

 

Strong advisory in regard to the above video which shows the Jihadi murderers of ISIS publically executing an accused adulteress as she begs to see her children one last time.  Why does not the West treat the Jihadists around the globe with the only argument that seems to make any impression upon them:  superior fire power?  A commenter at Father Z’s blog gives us an answer:

Because I stay informed through the modern media and keep up on political commentary, I recognize that Muslims killing people for religious reasons is an extreme rarity, committed by isolated individuals or small extremist cells. I refuse to let this single incident cloud my impression of Islam.

The man in the picture no doubt fired the shot and then fled, as those around him must have been planning to apprehend him. Since Islam is the religion of peace, I know they were not supporters of his. Or perhaps he was merely defending himself from western oil profiteering, and he’s being unfairly portrayed as a terrorist.

In contrast, Catholics are constantly bombing abortion clinics, assassinating doctor’s, and forcing themselves into private citizens’ bedrooms to sabotage their contraception. Then again, is this any surprise in an organization who’s charitable contributions are less than $200 billion in most years?

In fact, over the last 30 years alone, more Catholic priests have been credibly accused of child sexual abuse in a country of merely 300 million people than the number of Muslims who have killed people northern Iraq and southern Syria combined going all the way back to last Thursday.

Similar statistics help re-assure us not to apply the self-righteous generalizations we direct at Catholics at Boko Haram in Nigeria; Hezbollah in Lebanon; Hamas in Palestine; Al Shabaab in Somalia, Etheopia, and Kenya; Abu Sayyaf, MILF, and others in the Philippines; the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan; Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, and others in India, the Arab Mujahideen in Chechnya, and all the other peaceful groups I’m forgetting at the moment.

I apologize that my digression does not respect the gravity of the picture. It’s just that when I see the contrast between how the media treats Islam in the face of Islamist terrorism on one hand, and acts like excerpting casual remarks by the Pope about how it’s unwise to provoke crazy people in a way that makes it sound like he made an official declaration that the recent attacks in France were justified on the other hand, I get a bit touchy.

May this woman rest in peace, and God provide for her family.

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  • The commentator on Fr. Z’s blog and the practicing Islamist in the clip share a commonality. Barbarity.

    Each one professes truth however each one couldn’t be further from the truth.
    They, the commenter and the assassin, turn my stomach.

  • The commenter was being ironic Philip.

  • I needed a list of recognizable Islamists. God is love and mercy.

  • Different lighting….thanks Mr. McClarey.

  • For this woman accused of adultery, where is the man who laid with her and why is he too not executed?

  • Possibly because she was innocent, and there was no man who laid with her. That would be my first guess.

  • Paul W Primavera asked, “For this woman accused of adultery, where is the man who laid with her and why is he too not executed?”
    I do not find it puzzling in the least.
    In a leading textbook, Lord Fraser’s Husband and Wife (vol. ii., pp. 1173-4), the learned author explains that “The confessions of the wife, defender, may warrant the Court in finding that adultery is proved against her, while, not being evidence against the co-defender, he escapes; and thus divorce may be granted against the wife for adultery committed by her with him, while he himself is assoilzied from the action.” After all, as against the co-defender, her confessions are mere hearsay.
    In Rutherford v Richardson [1923] AC 1, 5, Viscount Birkenhead defended the logical consistency of such findings: “Applying these considerations to the kind of difficulty which has often presented itself in the Divorce Court, we find that a case which has sometimes been ignorantly derided is in fact both logical and defensible: for instance A, a husband, brings against his wife, B, a petition for divorce on the ground of her adultery with a named co-respondent, C. There is some independent evidence against both B and C, but not sufficient to justify a positive adverse conclusion. B, however, makes a full confession. Here the court may very reasonably pronounce a decree against B, while concluding that the matter is not established as against C. Indeed, to hold otherwise would be to lay it down that the admission or confession of B – which may be quite untrue and which may be induced by hidden and private motives – is to be treated as good evidence against C. And so it happens that the court may quite reasonably conclude that it is proved that B has committed adultery with C, but not that C has committed adultery with B.”

  • Thank you so much for the second clip. The alternative solution. Love.
    Jesus is all the difference

  • Michael Paterson-Seymour: “B, however, makes a full confession. Here the court may very reasonably pronounce a decree against B,”
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    Anyone turning states’ evidence is spared the death penalty in the civilized world.

  • Mary de Voe wrote, “Anyone turning states’ evidence is spared the death penalty in the civilized world.”

    That is a totally different question. In Creasy v Creasy (1931 S.C. 9.) the wife’s admissions consisted of diary entries. In that case, the wife defender did not give evidence at all, but, of course, the diary entries were not evidence against the co-defender, who was duly assoilzied from the action, the only evidence against him being that of clandestine association, spoken to by a single witness and so uncorroborated.

  • Michael Paterson-Seymour: “Mary de Voe wrote, “Anyone turning states’ evidence is spared the death penalty in the civilized world.”
    That is a totally different question. In Creasy v Creasy (1931 S.C. 9.) the wife’s admissions consisted of diary entries. In that case, the wife defender did not give evidence at all, but, of course, the diary entries were not evidence against the co-defender, who was duly assoilzied from the action, the only evidence against him being that of clandestine association, spoken to by a single witness and so uncorroborated.”
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    I thought that the Fifth Amendment, invoked, prevented the accused from testifying against himself. Evidently, this defendant was not properly represented. What I read is that you are saying that the diary was not considered evidence that was to have been given freely by the defendant, causing her to be turning state’s evidence and freeing her from penalty, or without her consent, not to be used in court at all.
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    Of course, the Fifth Amendment can only be invoked for criminal cases and not in civil court for purposes of divorce.but…but…
    This ought not happen in a society where the individual sovereign person is respected. Here, the woman’s right to privacy is compromised and without her assent, her own privacy is used as evidence against her. If the defendant brought the diary to court, willingly, she is turning state’s evidence. Common sense tells us that it takes two to tango. Now, alienation of affection may be charged against the other fellow, but without “corroboration”, what is there to charge the woman? The woman might have been having flights of fancy or writing a book. The woman would be well done to shake the dust off her feet against that nation.
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    Secular judges are the personification of divine Justice, notwithstanding unconstitutional atheism. Is there a human being on the face of the earth who wishes to have imperfect Justice imposed on him? (we got imperfect Justice with atheism. Let us be done with atheism)

  • Then there’s Bill Clinton telling Gennifer Flowers, “If they don’t have pictures, it won’t stick.” I am paraphrasing here.

  • Anzlyne, Thank you for your comment. The executed woman did not have the love and mercy of Jesus, at least in this world.

  • Mary de Voe wrote, “Common sense tells us that it takes two to tango. Now, alienation of affection may be charged against the other fellow, but without “corroboration”, what is there to charge the woman? The woman might have been having flights of fancy or writing a book.”
    She might have been “having flights of fancy or writing a book,” but there was also the evidence of clandestine association, hence two independent sources of evidence against her, which is what we mean by corroboration.
    In the case of the co-defender, the defender’s diary entries were not evidence against him, for he had neither authorised nor adopted them. That left the evidence of clandestine association, which was (1) insufficient evidence, of itself, to infer adultery and (2) in any event, uncorroborated, for it was spoken to by a single witness.
    “Common sense tells us that it takes two to tango.” Indeed, but as often happens, there may be proof beyond reasonable doubt and on corroborated evidence sufficient to convict D of adultery with C, but insufficient evidence to convict C of adultery with D, for evidence admissible against one may be inadmissible against the other. That is precisely what happened in Creasy v Creasy.

Blaming the Victims

Wednesday, January 7, AD 2015

Fan of Free Speech

Bill Donohue of the Catholic League is fuzzy on this whole free speech thing:

Bill Donohue comments on the killing of 12 people at the Paris office of the newspaper Charlie Hebdo:

Killing in response to insult, no matter how gross, must be unequivocally condemned. That is why what happened in Paris cannot be tolerated. But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.

Those who work at this newspaper have a long and disgusting record of going way beyond the mere lampooning of public figures, and this is especially true of their depictions of religious figures. For example, they have shown nuns masturbating and popes wearing condoms. They have also shown Muhammad in pornographic poses.

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  • I have believed for a long time that Bill Donahue is another person who needs a box of Duck Tape (TM) sent to him.

  • Angie,

    Archie Bunker?

  • Great posting Mr. McClarey.
    Do the feelings of the mourners count?
    The families that have lost their loved ones. Does Mr. Donohue share compassion with them?

  • According to Bill Donaghue, “What unites Muslims in their anger against Charlie Hebdo is the vulgar manner in which Muhammad has been portrayed. What they object to is being intentionally insulted over the course of many years…”

    And those of us who are not Muslims may consider ribald derision and scathing contempt the appropriate response to superstition and ignorance.

  • . Donohue pays himself $400,000 a year from donations …almost twice what a proctologist makes…and I think it is appropriate because he certainly gives me a double pain in the ass.

  • Thank you Donald McClarey for this insight into the way forward. Dr. Donohue of the Catholic League explains why the terrorists were inflamed but he does not countenance how the terrorists behaved. Assuming on all fronts that terrorism is condemned, Dr. Donohue did need to produce the law by which to go forth: the right to free speech and the consequences for our speech which would be what Donald McClarey has posted here.

  • Equal Justice requires that the penalty be commensurate with the crime. The terrorists need to produce a nation so lily white that Charlie Hebdo is seen for what it is: beneath contempt.

  • I’m slowly growing utterly infuriated by people acting like the satire was out of the blue.

    It’s like there was a group at a gathering, walking around being threatening, obscene and occasionally violent. Some members are being fine, and one or two try to tell the violent ones to cut it out, but they’re not stopped.
    Other folks at the gathering start to be rude to the nasty guys; a couple of guys rattle off an obscene suggestion of where they can go and what the rude guy can do to the horse he rode in on.
    The guys who have been rude, disruptive and violent since they got there pull out a gun and shoot the one that responded a fraction as rudely.
    And now people are standing up to denounce… the guys who flipped off the violent, rude guys, for doing it in a way that might offend the members of the group that weren’t stopping the violent, rude guys?

  • I’ve not been a huge fan of Donahue in recent years … but let’s admit he has a mission and plays out that mission, and it is a fair critique that a voice reminds folks on the less than uber innocence of that organization. I do not pretend that TAC has always been more noble than he.

  • Foxfier: “I’m slowly growing utterly infuriated by people acting like the satire was out of the blue.”

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    In Man for all Seasons, St. Thomas More tells Will Roper, his so-in-law “If he offends God, then, let God arrest him.” Separation of church and state. That is why we, the people have a constitution. Unless a theocracy is based of the ultimate love of God and neighbor as oneself, all the law of God and the prophets, it is a tyranny of the lame minded.
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    The assailants ought to have been evangelizing the culprits, rather than eliminating them. Islam does not evangelize the neighbor. Islam eliminates the neighbor. Therefore, Islam does not love God as God has commanded.

  • It’s correct to question the timing of Donohue’s post, but poor timing does not invalidate his arguments.
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    I don’t seem him blaming the victims. He tries to bring into focus the lack of respect for things people hold personal and sacred and how this creates friction, friction that can boil over into unjustified terrorism. His point is to say both sides in this situation show intolerance, and showing more tolerance and respect on each side would simmer the acrimony down. He expresses this personally when he says “Muhammad isn’t sacred to me, either, but it would never occur to me to deliberately insult Muslims by trashing him.”
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    I’m sure he understands freedom of speech, and nowhere did I see him suggesting any abridging of it.

  • No he does not understand freedom of speech. This sentence says it all:

    “But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.”

    What the devil does that mean except for either state action or vigilante action to shut down the magazine. People are free to criticize what the magazine does, but that was not the point that publicity hound Donohue was seeking to make. He is as bad as the idiots on the left with their campus speech codes.

  • “I do not pretend that TAC has always been more noble than he.”

    Do you always toss non-sequiturs into your comments D Will, or was this a special occasion?

  • “But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.”
    Is there a list of all the various intolerances I can refer back to? Like, where does pure jackassery fall, versus fauxhomophobia, versus beheading? Which intolerances rate which punishment and from whom? Will there be a vote?
    Just pray for the souls of the departed, Mr. Donahue; they were dear to somebody. Don’t try to lead us down a road that can only end in a scaffold for Christians.

  • No he does not understand freedom of speech. This sentence says it all:”
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    His call for not tolerating what this magazine was doing is not necessarily a call for legal action. It could be as simple as public shaming. I think your post it trying to do something very similar with regards to Donohue’s post. No? Yet, I don’t think you are calling for limiting free speech.

  • Every one of us believe in some level of limiting free speech … usually our conscience and common sense acts as the appropriate guide, but we know this falls pretty flat in the regulatory realm. I agree, a little shame can be a useful effort.

  • I came across a link to this at the Speccie Coffee House blog…

    “I am DONE!!! Whenever I try to say, it’s okay, terrorism is not Islam, ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK DONE BY MUSLIMS COMES UP ON THE NEWS!!! I am having panic attacks, and want to kill myself. WHAT MAKES ME FEEL HORRIBLE IS THAT I CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!! I am useless, I can’t stop these terrorists, and how come only Muslims do these kind of attacks. I’m SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE CRAP! I am tired of uselessness, muslims keep killing, so it makes me wonder, are we really a religion of peace? I will never be accepted, just because i’m muslim. I used to blame them….but now I am started to hate us…… I am starting to hate muslim, I BEING ONE! Maybe I won’t be for long. IN PARIS JUST NOW!!! 12 PEOPLE KILLED, STUPID TERRORISTS SAYING ALLAHHUAKBAR AND OH MY GOD I’M DONE!!!!!! I AM DONE!!! Why do they keep doing this, what can we do. Why doesn’t Allah help the muslim UMMAH!!! Why are we not being helped. I pray and pray for this to stop but it never does. It makes me feel like duas do not work. WHY WON’T ALLAH HELP US! WHY CAN”T WE BE SAVED!!! WHY WAS I BORN MUSLIM!!! I am also moving to the US and I will be bullied to death so might as well kill myself now. WHY CAN’T WE MUSLIMS TAKE CRITISM OF SOME STUPID CARTOONS!!! They are just cartoons, WTF!!! I want to DIE. What do I do, I can’t just put my fingers in my ears and scream LALALALALA I see and hear nothing, I see and hear nothing…IT IS HAPPENING!!! I don’t understand, WHY AM I USELESS, WHY DOESNT THE WORLD JUST END………”

    Utterly heartbreaking to read.

    Please pray for this poor tortured soul and what years of experience teaches me are many many like her…

  • It’s hard amidst emotional turmoil to maintain important distinctions, but here’s a try: there is no “right to free expression.” A rightly ordered society does not allow any and every opinion to be voiced with no ramification. In our country, we’ve gone from a clear understanding of the limits of “free speech” to a wide open, no holds barred allowance of the much broader “free expression.”

    In the US, the First Amendment forbids the government(and really, only the federal government) from abridging free speech. There is no general right to free speech that prevents one from being ostracized, criticized, boycotted, and even sued for offensive speech. Rightly understood, the First Amendment doesn’t even prevent a state from restricting “speech.”

    Absolutism about “free expression” has brought us unhindered pornography, grotesquely violent movies and games, and yes, utterly socially worthless offensive “art” such as “Piss Christ” and these offensive-to-Islam cartoons.

    It is entirely possible to hold the intellectual position that the incendiary “speech” (not really speech at all, but “expression”) practiced by Charlie Hebdo should never have been allowed in the first place; and at the same time to recognize that summary execution of the editors and two police officers merits only the deaths of the perpetrators.

    I would say that “Piss Christ” for example, was not any form of protected speech under the constitution; but that having been disseminated, it would have been utterly evil for, say, a Knight of Columbus to shoot up the museum and kill the “artist.” Just so with this case in France.

  • Apologies. I neglected to provide a link to the original.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?428786-Im-done!

  • Kyle,
    Donohue had absolutely no tolerance for the freedom of speech of the non Catholic owner of the Empire State Building which had feted a Pope in the past but would not fete Mother Teresa perhaps in a change of policy to insure they never had to fete really odd religious characters in the future eg Jihadists in their use of private resources. He then went beyond words to intolerance in action and tried to hurt them in the pocketbook. I believe Donohue makes money in part from quite poor old city Catholics who have no idea of the salary he is drawing partly from their poverty while they cannot pay for teeth crowns after property taxes …on their small pensions. He saw at some point that rage pays big time in many small donations…maybe not Fr. Corapi bigtime…but bigtime nonetheless.

  • “His call for not tolerating what this magazine was doing is not necessarily a call for legal action.”

    I take him at his word Kyle. If he was not calling for state action or vigilantism then his statement was truly meaningless since all of us have the freedom to criticize any speech we do not like.

  • Looks like Mr. Bill is walking back his earlier statement:
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    http://www.catholicleague.org/charlie-hebdo-perverts-freedom/
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    (they emailed it about 12:30 today)

  • tolerate
    [ ˈtäləˌrāt ]
    VERB
    allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference:
    “a regime unwilling to tolerate dissent”
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    interfere
    [ ˌintərˈfi(ə)r ]
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    prevent (a process or activity) from continuing or being carried out properly:
    “a job would interfere with his studies”
    synonyms: impede · obstruct · stand in the way of · hinder · inhibit · More

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    To object is not to interfere; to answer is not to interfere; to decry is not to interfere.
    As Donald says, per his words, he says we should not allow the activity to continue or be carried out.

  • Bill,
    We can discuss Donohue’s previous statements and theories on his compensation, but I’m discussing his latest post in regards to this act of terrorism. If it is Al Sharpton race baiting or Charlie Hebdo religion baiting, they deserve condemnation without violence.
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    Don,
    The public can show disapproval of certain behaviors beyond criticism without resorting to state action or vigilantism.

  • exNOAAman,
    Looks like quite the opposite. Looks like standing ground and clarification. I don’t read anything really disagreeable.

  • There’s a difference between Al Sharpton inciting violence against others and Charlie Hebdo inciting violence against themselves.

  • “Don,
    The public can show disapproval of certain behaviors beyond criticism without resorting to state action or vigilantism.”

    Of course they can Kyle and if that is all that Donohue meant his statement is rendered meaningless. I think he had something else in mind a la a hate speech code which is anathema to freedom of speech.

  • Ernst Schreiber,
    The result of their actions are the same, i.e. stirring of acrimony. The victims differ.

  • Of course they can Kyle and if that is all that Donohue meant his statement is rendered meaningless. I think he had something else in mind a la a hate speech code which is anathema to freedom of speech.
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    Hate speech code? Really? Even in his very latest post made today he makes clear that’s not what he is calling for. Are you calling for hate speech code because of your post condemning Donohue’s post? I don’t think so. It would be wrong for me to interpret beyond what you wrote.
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    if that is all that Donohue meant his statement is rendered meaningless.”
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    So, anything less than state action or vigilantism is meaningless??

  • “Hate speech code?”

    Yep. Not tolerating something implies more than criticism which is what people are free to do in any case. In Donahue’s bloviating cya today he makes crystal clear his position that what Charlie Hebdo was doing does not deserve freedom of speech protection:

    “Freedom of speech is not an end—it is a means to an end. For Americans, the end is nicely spelled out in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution: the goal is to “form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”

    No fair-minded reading of the Preamble suggests that it was written to facilitate the right to intentionally and persistently insult people of faith with scatological commentary. Moreover, the purpose of free speech is political discourse: it exists to protect the right of men and women to agree and disagree about the makings of the good society.”

    As a legal matter the preamble does not limit the scope of the Bill of Rights and free speech has never been limited to political speech.

  • Yep. Not tolerating something implies more than criticism which is what people are free to do in any case
    I can think of a lot of sins I can’t tolerate, personally and otherwise. Being an intolerable sin is not enough to qualify for legal action, but intolerant it is to me.
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    In Donahue’s bloviating cya today he makes crystal clear his position that what Charlie Hebdo was doing does not deserve freedom of speech protection
    He’s no legal scholar. I can only assume he is taking a Justice Thomas approach, viewing the Constitution “through the lens” of what precedes it, preamble for Donohue and Declaration of Independence for Thomas.
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    Being as this was in France, the U.S. Constitution would have no bearing anyway.
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    He also made this clear…
    As I have said countless times, everyone has a legal right to insult my religion (or the religion of others), but no one has a moral right to do so.

  • “As I have said countless times, everyone has a legal right to insult my religion (or the religion of others), but no one has a moral right to do so.”

    Then why was he at pains to argue that freedom of speech would not cover what Charlie Hebdo was doing? I agree that the Constitution of course does not apply in France, but it was Donohue’s incoherent statement, not mine. (As it happens freedom of speech in France labors under restrictions that most Americans would find galling.) The simple truth of course is that Donohue is taking a lot of heat for his first statement, so he falls back on bluster and attempts at justification. Better for him to have quit when he was behind.

  • I think I agree with Kyle. The notion that certain behaviors should not be tolerated does not presuppose legal or violent remedies. We should not tolerate people who abuse their freedom of expression in the manner of this rag by removing them from our society. And by this I do not mean physically kicking them out of a certain place. Civilized people should consider those who routinely bully behave in wicked and mean ways, especially toward the weak, to be beneath contempt and unworthy of social intercourse. In other words they should be shunned. Those jerks at that rag should have been shunned, not killed or imprisoned.

  • Mike Petrik wrote:

    “Those jerks…”

    Jesus wept…

  • Yes, Kennybhoy. He wept when those jerks published cartoons of nuns masturbating.

  • The notion that certain behaviors should not be tolerated

    Brings up interesting issues – at what point does “speech” become a “behavior” and to what extent do they overlap or are interchangeable? If the freedom of speech is intended to protect the free exchange of ideas, can behavior be a form of “exchange of ideas” and therefore protected? Was CH speech, behavior, a combination of both? Regardless, none of it could justify or excuse the terrorists’ response.

  • Yes, and Kennybhoy, He wept when those terrorists murdered those jerks too. I don’t think He wept just because I called the late jerks, jerks.

  • I’m anxious to know Mike and Kyle’s opinion on women’s fashion trends of the last 50-60 years and how they pertain to the current “rape crisis” on college campi.
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    No I’m not.

  • In the US the written publication of words or pictures that are designed to communicate or express something is almost always within the protective ambit of the First Amendment, and this is a good thing. But just because something is legally permissible does not mean that it cannot be criticized, and that criticism can and often should include social sanction. Calls should not be returned and vendors and customers should disassociate.

  • Reading comprehension not your strong suit, Ernst?
    Perhaps you think that the wicked murder of a jerk renders the jerk not a jerk? Wow, does the same trick work for serial rapists?

  • Then why was he at pains to argue that freedom of speech would not cover what Charlie Hebdo was doing?
    I think he’s arguing the necessity to use prudence when exercising liberties. Expressions like what Charlie Hebdo did failed to meet the moral spirit or imperative of the preamble while be legally permitted. It’s the classic “you could do it, but should you?” argument. He answers no. Others say it’s licit because… freedom of speech, which is why he says freedom of speech is not the end.
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    The simple truth of course is that Donohue is taking a lot of heat…
    You could have ended the sentence there and have the same meaning. He’s takes heat for nearly everything he writes. (He has a few enemies.) But obviously the heat and criticism, e.g. this blog entry, is meaningless without state action or vigilantism. 😉
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    People feel inclined to hold Charlie Hebdo up as some martyr or saint of free speech. I disagree. It’s not like they were killed for speaking out for civil rights, the vulnerable or some other noble cause. (Elevate the people who do!) Charlie Hebdo is a victim of an unjust crime, an act of terrorism. Find the perps and prosecute.

  • Yes, not all victims are martyrs, but they are victims nonetheless. I took Donohue’s statements to be entirely consistent with that.

  • I’m more concerned about not creating a precedent for a jerk needed killing exception than I am in attempting to qualify the jerkiness of the murdered jerk or quantify the liability of the jerk for his murder.
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    Sticking up little Nigerian girls kidnapped by boko haram is easy. The real test is in sticking up for jerks like the cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo.
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    And we’re doing a p*ss poor job of sticking up for little Nigerian girls.
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    One more thing. They actually were killed for speaking out for civil rights: The right to say things others find offensive.
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    And it’s the right to criticize and disagree, and even offend that’s vulnerable.

  • No one here is remotely advocating for such an exception, Ernst. Instead, everyone has made it clear that such an exception would be a wicked horror.

    But I seriously dooubt that these cartoonists were killed for speaking out in favor of saying things others find offensive; instead they were killed for saying things that others find offense. Again, one does not need murder victim to be a saint or hero in order to nonetheless be a victim of a murderer.

  • I seriously dooubt that these cartoonists were killed for speaking out in favor of saying things others find offensive; instead they were killed for saying things that others find offens[ive].

    You do realize that’s a distinction without a difference, don’t you?

    And if we’re not admitting of the possibility of a jerks needed killing exception in all of this that was wrong, killing, those jerks like that, but they were really jerky jerks weren’t they?* talk, then why all this complaining about the spittle on the sidewalk when the blood next to it hasn’t even dried yet?

    *That’s my admittedly crude gloss of the conversation, but I don’t believe it’s an unfair one.

  • Ernst, are you being deliberately obtuse?
    Seriously, you don’t see the difference? Do you think that these terrorists are going to go after you, me, or Larry Tribe? Each of us is in favor of the right of people to say things that are offensive, you know.
    If you are going to insult the moral understandings of others (“Jesus wept”), you should first demonstrate your ability to reason about morality.
    And the reason for the complaining is because folks like you are suggesting that Donohue’s acknowledgement of the “jerky” nature of the victims somehow meant that he endorsed their murder, which is a scurrilous lie. Donohue is right. These victims were jerks, and their their murder was a mortal sin. At most Donohue is guilty of suggesting a false equivalence in suggesting that because neither jerky behavior nor murder should be tolerated they are equally morally problematic. I’m sure he did not mean that, but would could infer it if one were inclined to take conveniently self-righteous inferential liberties.

  • Do you think that these terrorists are going to go after you, me, or Larry Tribe? Each of us is in favor of the right of people to say things that are offensive, you know.
    They will.
    We are Catholic.
    I am an uncovered woman.
    We are not paying the tax.
    They always have a reason.

  • I have read it all and I am underwater with this thing.
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    Only TRUTH, WHO is Jesus Christ, has freedom of speech, press and peaceable assembly. (and peaceable assembly means to imitate Jesus Christ.) Everything else is perjury in a court of law and a lie in the public square. All men are created equal and can be required to give a good account of themselves in public. On the American Catholic I have often failed to give sources, and hope I am not going to be excised. In this matter, “put up or shut up” needs to be implemented. Does the masturbating nun have a name? Who is she and where is she? Every nun has a right to demand a good accounting. So, she could sue them in a court of law for bearing false witness, again, the Eighth Commandment. Does the cartoon look like the Pope or Mohammed, sue them in a court of law or shun them until they go bankrupt, as Mike Petric suggested.
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    The state has the power, the country has the authority from the people who constitute the government to declare this outrageous rag as “person non grata” and exile the dirty minded b–tards. Criminals of all strips can also be deterred by keeping them moving on, in the same way that the government causes protesters at abortion clinics to keep moving in a circle without stopping.
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    This magazine sucked the life out of freedom of speech and freedom in general. How does one take his children into the public square and not be offended by garbage. Don Wildmon shut down K-Mart pornography. God gives us free will and the will to live decently. It really would have been better if France had exiled that rag to Iraq.
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    As far as rape goes on public university campuses: First, the university is not legally equipped nor is it authorized to prosecute the crime of rape. Rape is the business of the state. The university suspending the rapist, leaving him no criminal record or other punishment, is a crime against the victim and society by starting a precedent that denies Justice to all people.
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    There was a case and I am ashamed to tell the name of the university, where the rapist was suspended for two months. The father of the girl demanded state prosecution. The court said that this would be double jeopardy as the rapist had already been suspended for two months. I am not above sandwich boards in front of the rapist’s house. The prosecutor failed to prosecute. Let the crime be on him/her.
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    And let the terrorist attack be on the government of France for not acting in ridding itself of this evil. So, yes, the murdered victims were victims of their own making and that of France for not acting in their behalf by getting rid of them as “persona non-grata”.

  • I’ve never cared for Bill Donohue’s approach to combating anti-Catholicism (real or imagined) because it basically boils down to “we can play the PC protected victim class game too”. Whenever the Church is ridiculed, insulted, or criticized, his response 99 percent of the time is “They would never get away with doing this to Muslims, Jews, Blacks, gays, etc.”. Yes, he may be right about that, but is the solution to become just as insufferable and thin-skinned as they are?

    Also, let’s not get censorship confused with discretion. Censorship seeks to prevent offensive material from ever being created in the first place, or to eliminate it wherever it exists, and to punish those who create it. Exercising discretion in how or where one chooses to display or present offensive material (e.g., schools choosing what books to stock in their libraries, stores choosing not to sell Playboy, Cosmo, etc.) is NOT censorship, since the material remains available elsewhere.

  • Do you think that these terrorists are going to go after you, me, or Larry Tribe? Each of us is in favor of the right of people to say things that are offensive, you know.
    They will.
    We are Catholic.
    I am an uncovered woman.
    We are not paying the tax.
    They always have a reason.

    What foxfier said.

    But go ahead and hope the crocodile will eat you last, if that’s what you want. Try not to splash around to much. You might call attention to yourself.

  • Also, let’s not get censorship confused with discretion. Censorship seeks to prevent offensive material from ever being created in the first place, or to eliminate it wherever it exists, and to punish those who create it. Exercising discretion in how or where one chooses to display or present offensive material (e.g., schools choosing what books to stock in their libraries, stores choosing not to sell Playboy, Cosmo, etc.) is NOT censorship, since the material remains available elsewhere.

    When it becomes discrete to not display or present material that offends because the offended will kill you, is that not tantamount to censorship?

  • Oh good. I was worried that I might be more obtuse than usual today.

    [“]The massacre at the Paris offices of the venerable satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo has been met with near-universal condemnation, but a growing chorus of self-appointed arbiters of good taste are going public, following up cursory denunciations of the murders with caveats that Charlie Hebdo is a “provocative,” “racist,” “Islamophobic,” “homophobic” publication who brought much of its trouble on itself.[“]
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    Without even reading the rest of the article, I’m betting most of these “arbiters of good taste” are the same people who think we should teach all men not to rape.

  • This has been a very strange thread. Basically, some posters seem to be falling all over themselves to argue that no one should be inhibited from freely expressing his opinion, however odious it might be, for fear of criminal punishment or violence. The problem is that no one on this blog — and certainly not Donohue — advocates otherwise. I’m no fan of Donohue for the reasons expressed by Elaine, but Donohue is right in his description of the magazine. Bullies who publish mean-spirited and hurtful nonsense for the very purpose of offending should not be tolerated by members of polite society. Thinking people should shun and avoid association with such jerks, rather than lionize them as martyrs to the monument of free expression. Let’s be clear — the martyrs of free expression are those men and women in the armed forces who die for the purpose of protecting our rights, not those who exercise those rights in shameful ways. The victims of this violence are just that — victims, not heroes, not martyrs. They were not responsible for their own murders — their murderers were; but they were responsible for what they published and their deaths do not miraculously change that.

  • The only God given right of freedom of speech is the right to say what is true. For the good of society, we must tolerate a certain amount of false or invective speech. The law regarding slander and libel is an attempt to strike a balance between tolerating certain false, questionable, and invective, statements or publications to be made and always allowing the truth to be stated or published.

  • Regarding separation of Church and State in AU MILIEU DES SOLLICITUDES
    Pope Leo XIII stated as follows:
    “28. We shall not hold to the same language on another point, concerning the principle of the separation of the State and Church, which is equivalent to the separation of human legislation from Christian and divine legislation. We do not care to interrupt Ourselves here in order to demonstrate the absurdity of such a separation; each one will understand for himself. As soon as the State refuses to give to God what belongs to God, by a necessary consequence it refuses to give to citizens that to which, as men, they have a right; as, whether agreeable or not to accept, it cannot be denied that man’s rights spring from his duty toward God. Whence if follows that the State, by missing in this connection the principal object of its institution, finally becomes false to itself by denying that which is the reason of its own existence. These superior truths are so clearly proclaimed by the voice of even natural reason, that they force themselves upon all who are not blinded by the violence of passion; therefore Catholics cannot be too careful in defending themselves against such a separation. In fact, to wish that the State would separate itself from the Church would be to wish, by a logical sequence, that the Church be reduced to the liberty of living according to the law common to all citizens…. It is true that in certain countries this state of affairs exists. It is a condition which, if it have numerous and serious inconveniences, also offers some advantages – above all when, by a fortunate inconsistency, the legislator is inspired by Christian principles – and, though these advantages cannot justify the false principle of separation nor authorize its defence, they nevertheless render worthy of toleration a situation which, practically, might be worse.”

  • The behavior of the victims has nothing to do with it… I think of the earnest young man, Foley, who was beheaded last fall; a week later another good man, Jewish, was beheaded, followed by a good person, an aid worker form England. who also had converted to Islam.
    As was stated above on this page, the jihadis will always have a reason, svn if the only apparent reason is a bloodlust.
    I am sorry for the people of “charlie”. We Catholics can do a better job of evangelizing these educated talented elites. Why do they hate us so much? Our war is at least on two fronts: the secular atheists who attack our religious rights, and the jihadis.

  • Donohue’s a distraction. And an enervating one at that. So’s trying to assign the proper portion of blame to the massacred for the offense of offending the easily offended and aggrieving the perpetually aggrieved. This is about opposing the heckler’s veto. This is about recognizing that Islamists are at war with the West for reasons of their own rather than because of anything anyone in the West has done to them.
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    “Why do they hate us so much?” Anzlyne asked. Because they hate.

  • I’m going to riff off another comment on the Reason roundup of equivocating responses to yesterday’s terror attack. I linked earlier, and then I’ll let it go (much to everyone’s relief, no doubt).

    Charlie Hebdo was racist, misogynistic, crude and vulgar. One should be able to say that because it is true.
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    Just because someone is slaughtered by Islamists doesn’t magically turn them into saints.

    It seems to me that the commenter’s point is irrelevant because it misses the main point. The Charlie Hebdo victims were slaughtered not because Charlie Hebdo was racist, misogynistic, crude and vulgar, but because Islam was not exempted from their crudity and vulgarity. But even that is only part of the amin point. The Islamists who carried out this massacre acted upon a pretext. If it hadn’t been Charlie Hebdo, it would have been something else.
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    All this rationalization and contextualizing, all this explaining away is just appeasement by another name.
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    I wish I could remember what Orwell said back in 1940 or 41 about British pacifists being objectively on the side of the Nazis; it applies here.

  • I just thought of one more thing, so I guess I lied when I said I’d let it go. Maybe I’ll mean it this time.
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    You want to know what the most offensive thing ever spoken was?
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    “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.” (John 8:58)
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    The runner up is “Today, this scripture passage* is fulfilled in your hearing*.” (Luke 4:21)
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    (*The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has annointed me to bring glad tidings to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to captives and recover of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, and to proclaim a year acceptable to the Lord. ( Luke 4:18-19; cf. Is 61:1-2, 58:6))
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    Maybe I can get some sleep now that I’ve got that out of my system.

  • Vincent A Lewis wrote, “The only God given right of freedom of speech is the right to say what is true.”

    Really? What about

    Giving orders –
    Forming and testing a hypothesis—
    Presenting the results of an experiment in tables and diagrams—
    Making up a story; and reading it—
    Play-acting—
    Singing catches—
    Guessing riddles—
    Making a joke; telling it—
    Solving a problem in practical arithmetic—
    Translating from one language into another—
    Asking, thanking, cursing, greeting, praying –

    There is much more to speech than “saying what is true.”

  • Mike-
    Possibly it is “strange” to you because you insist on acting like the guys who refused to give in to the actual bullies– “do what we say, or else”– were the bullies.
    The “offensive” stuff did not come out of the blue.
    You’re pulling the same thing that schools do when they expel the guy who raised a hand in self defense, because fighting is wrong, and completely ignore that he was punched several times before even doing that.

  • Foxfier, I think you have a misimpression of either my position or the nature Charlie Hebdo. I do not think that the Catholic Church provoked the magazine’s lurid and gratuitous depictions of masturbating nuns and perverted priests, etc. The magazine is not some heroic defender of either the West or free speech. It is a scurrilous rag with mean-spirited content that intends to offend, rather than persuade or enlighten. That is not to say that such behavior is a warrant for murder — of course not; and that is not to say that murderers are not worthy of condemnation and punishment — of course they are. But Charlie Hebdo was and is in fact a mean-spirited rag that caters to both the ignorance of the masses as well as the conceits of the elite. The victims who were responsible for such content deserve our prayers, of course, but not our admiration.

  • End note: Many of my more orthodox Jewish friends take seriously the idea that one should never mention God by name, to the point that even in writing they will type G-d. Accordingly, when in their presence or in a written exchange I often employ the same convention, simply out of respect, even though I’m confident that if I didn’t they would take no offense (unlike the jihadists who view behaviors incompatible with their own conventions to be a warrant for violence). Attitudinally, Charlie Hebdo would respond to my Jewish friends by gratuitously speaking and writing God, Yaweh, etc as much as possible for the very purpose and with the precise hope of committing offense.

  • Mike-
    not only does your argument not support your assertion, it engages in a lot of mind-reading or assumption of motivation.
    Given people who are openly saying they kill people because they disagree with them, and people who are making points you don’t like in very rude ways, you decide to make statements about how horrible the motives of the one that won’t kill you are.
    I’m done.

  • Foxfier,
    I think you are mistaking publishing meanspirited distortions about convenient targets for speaking truth to power. I’m anxious to read your justification for the masturbating nun. And your implication that somehow I am excusing the murdering jihadists or trivializing the wickedness of their murder is horribly untrue and unfair. As a good Catholic I oppose the death penalty except in the most extraordinary circumstances. Executions are sins and the executed are victims. Elevating victims into martyrs may allow for a more compelling narrative, but it is intellectually dishonest.

  • Mike, why on earth would I keep trying to talk to you about this when you have thus far either not understood or cannot respond to a single point I have made?

  • Mike Petric: “Executions are sins and the executed are victims.”
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    “Only for killing a man shall a man be put to death.”
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    Capital punishment is the temporal punishment for capital one homicide; for laying in wait and murdering an innocent man for jealousy, or hatred or lust for his wife and/or property. There can be no Sacrament of Penance without temporal punishment and the firm amendment to sin no more and avoid the near occasion of sin. The executed are brought to Justice on the gallows. As the prophet Samuel hacked Agag into pieces saying: “As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless.”
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    Without the death penalty, the Boston bomber is going enjoy his crime in prison for the rest of his life. For the murderer to enjoy his crime in prison for the rest of his life is injustice. It is the duty of the state to deliver Justice.
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    World War II was capital punishment on a large scale. Those Germans killed were supposed to be resisting Hitler and freeing the concentration camp victims, not shooting as they were, at the Allies. There was an underground resistance in France, Italy, Germany, Poland, Carl von Stauffenberg tried to assassinate HItler, people who could think for themselves. ditto “the japs” as they were called.
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    War is hell but so is taking on the power of attorney of the condemned and bringing him to Justice.
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    Justice is what this post is about. Violation of the sovereign person is a miscarriage of Justice. “piss Christ”, the image of Our Lady covered in elephant dung, the life-sized statue of Jesus Christ in chocolate and the invitation to passersby to “take and eat”. These are mockery not only of my belief but essentially ridicule of the Divine Person and the human person. “You are men sacred to me, for I, the Lord, your God am sacred”. and our tax money paying for the cruel blasphemy and insult to the human person and God. William Donohue responds to the defamation of innocent persons. Real humor subsists in our acknowledgement of our shortcomings. It seems these people were killed for violating free speech.
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    There is so much in the Bible to cause “funny”, such as the phrase: “there will not be a dog that pisseth against a wall.” Whenever I see a dog pissething against a wall, I am reminded that things aren’t so bad (and things can get worse).
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    The public square and the public tax money belongs to all people and are not to be misused to abuse. When their magazine entered the public square and offended and violated common decency and the person, it had brought about sanction on itself, and it needed to be removed by them or everyone. The terrorists do not represent “everyone”.

  • I agree, Mary, with much of what you have written. As a Catholic I am bound to the Church’s teachings, and Her teaching regarding capital punishment is pretty clear — it should be used only when necessary to protect society. While that rule very much requires a prudential application in each case, in my opinion it would not permit capital punishment for most instances of capital crimes. Current law in the US does not apply such a prudential calculus, but instead the inquiry is chiefly penal in nature. To the extent executions occur that do not satisfy the prudential test taught by the Church they would be objectively sinful. For the record, this is not a teaching that I am especially enthusiastic about. While I think I understand its reasoning, it seems wrong-headed to me for reasons your post suggests. That said, I submit to authoritative Church teaching.
    My penultimate point was simply that in those instances where a convict is executed under circumstances that would not permit such exectution under Church teaching, the convict has been wronged, and he is a victim; but that does not render him a martyr.

  • Elaine Krewer wrote:

    ‘I’ve never cared for Bill Donohue’s approach to combating anti-Catholicism (real or imagined) because it basically boils down to “we can play the PC protected victim class game too”.’

    Indeed. It demeans us and alas, has become all too common in my neck of the woods…

  • Ernst Schreiber wrote:

    “All this rationalization and contextualizing, all this explaining away is just appeasement by another name. . I wish I could remember what Orwell said back in 1940 or 41 about British pacifists being objectively on the side of the Nazis; it applies here.”

    Amen.

  • Mike PetriK wrote:

    “…but Donohue is right in his description of the magazine.”

    Of course he is. But there is a time and a place Maister P. To so indulge himself now, RIGHT now when twelve people have just been murdered, and their friends and families are in shock and mourning is a species of moral masturbation to make the sins of “Charlie Hebdo” pale by comparison! It is at best ill-bred and callous, and at worst a sleekit way of saying that those poor souls somehow got what was coming to them! Christ on the Cross that poor, tortured wee Muslim lassie I quoted above shows more understanding and compassion than Donohue! He might as well have gone the whole hog, got on a plane to Paris and p****d on their corpses!

    Mike Petrik continued:

    “Thinking people…”

    God gie me strength!

    “..should shun and avoid association with such jerks…”

    Are you familiar with Matthew 9:9-13?

    “…rather than lionize them as martyrs to the monument of free expression.”

    The thing is Maister P, in their choice to continue publishing after previous threats and violent attacks that is precisely what they are. Not all martyrs, to whatever cause or faith, lead blameless lives prior to martyrdom.

  • Mike Petric: “— it should be used only when necessary to protect society.” Who defines what is necessary to protect society? My problem is: who defines society? Are the other prisoners not “society”, the warden, the doctors, the contractors? My stand is simply that a truly repentant capital one murderer will expire with grief over his crime. Now, you are telling me that God wishes to keep him alive, as though God must trust him, but that is not in the CCC.
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    Actually, I am for dropping every capital one murderer into the Amazon Jungle and if God wants him/her to live, that’s OK with me. I was also considering Devil’s Island. Let them work as hard as we have to.
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    Did you see where St. John Paul II’s assassin came to place flowers on St. John’s grave. After the flowers were placed he was immediately deported by Italy.

  • Mike: There is another concept weighing heavily on me. If the murderer murders again, the state becomes an enabler, an accessory before the fact for not ending the murderer’s crime spree. If St. John Paul II’s assassin murdered again, St. John would have been an accomplice. Are we, the people, to be sitting ducks while the state becomes an accomplice?

  • It is surely ludicrous for Bill Donohue to accuse Charlie Hebdo of intolerance, of all things (“But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.”)
    Charlie Hebdo has never advocated restricting anyone’s freedom of speech – They leave that to the fanatics they ridicule.
    http://tinyurl.com/n8svgq2
    (The hobnail boots are a nice touch)

  • I keep thinking. Dr. Donohue’s response is basically “I told you so.” and then Dr. Donohue goes on to explain his “I told you so” so when anyone gets to heaven he cannot claim that he was not informed. What happened was hideously unfair, but Dr. Donohue warned the victims of the consequences to be faced for their freedom of speech. Will somebody please blame the devil.

  • Mike Petric: “in my opinion it would not permit capital punishment for most instances of capital crimes.”
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    You are absolutely right, but I am talking only about, exclusively about, capital one homicide, not homicide two, negligence, accidental death, only about a hate filled individual who plots, plans and executes his neighbor, even a cold-blooded hit-man does not bear the hatred required for capital one murder. I think the cold-blooded hit-man needs capital punishment because his conscience is gone. But, as you say, these cases must be tried on their own facts, each individually. A blanket ban on capital punishment removes self-defense and is double jeopardy for every citizen for the ban gives the capital one murderer license to kill.

  • Michael Paterson-Seymour: The Jews, Catholics and the Muslims were all three indeed slandered by the magazine. To portray the three as equally guilty in the murders is no more just than what the magazine was doing, slandering innocent people because they belonged to that group, guilt by association. A Bill of Attainder is prohibited. It is unconstitutional to punishing family and friends of traitors.

Why We Fight

Wednesday, August 20, AD 2014

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Christianity is not the creed of Asia and Africa at this moment solely because the seventh century Christians of Asia and Africa had trained themselves not to fight, whereas the Moslems were trained to fight. Christianity was saved in Europe solely because the peoples of Europe fought. If the peoples of Europe in the seventh and eighth centuries, on up to and including the seventeenth century, had not possessed a military equality with, and gradually a growing superiority over the Mohammedans who invaded Europe, Europe would at this moment be Mohammedan and the Christian religion would be exterminated.

Theodore Roosevelt

May the soul of journalist James Foley, a Catholic, beheaded by the terrorists of ISIS, rest in peace.  May he now be enjoying the Beatific Vision.  May those responsible for his foul murder receive justice to the full for this deed in this world and the next.

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  • Words fail to describe how I feel. I pray to the Lord Jesus that in His mercy James Foley is in His bosom right now, and I pray to God the Father that in His justice these Islamic fanatics answer for what they have done. Lord help us all!

  • Those devil worshipping Muslims will get what is rightly coming to them.

  • that photo makes me so mad. there the big tough guy hiding behind a mask stands over a person held bound. how brave is that to cut off the head of a person held down. how brave is that to not show your face to the world. cowards. sneak attacks. treachery. I can’t see how so many young americans and europeans see the jihad as some type of ideal.

  • You are not hearing/seeing Muslims condemning these acts.

    However, I converse daily with an older (almost as old as me) Muslim gent (from India) that sells newspapers at the LIRR Sta. He insists that these people are not practicing Islam. He states that only God has power to take a human life. And that God, not man, will punish if that is proper. He did say in a national war, killing is licit. OTOH, he could be saying such stuff only to calm us infidels until the whistle goes off . . .

  • Where’s the outrage from leaders of “moderate Muslim communities?” None.
    None. Because if any of them expresses outrage, he, too will be killed.
    What a pathetic, evil religion!

    Eternal rest grant unto James, oh Lord. And may the perpetual Light shine upon him. May he rest in peace. Amen.

  • At our rural mission church on the Feast of Mary, Queen of Heaven the rosary was offered for the soul of James Foley and for his parents in their grief. It was fitting in that he credited his release from his first captivity in Libya to the Blessed Mother and the recitation of the rosary while imprisoned. James Foley’s martyrdom has finally awakened this country and Europe to the serious threat of this evil heretical army known as ISIS/ISIL. More rosaries, more Holy Hours, more penance are needed to quell this black plague. St. Michael the Archangel…….

  • Yes yes more prayers. more repentence.. more effort to be true Christians. I know that I am a sinner and my own lack of discipline and discipleship is part of the wave of a lack of discipline and order and willfulness that submerges the world.
    I am glad you parish did that Cam.
    I haven’t heard a word from the altar or in the bulletins about James Foley or all the other thousands of Christian martyrs of this very young century. I have heard about “unrest in the middle east”
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    St James (maybe James Foley was named after him) said to draw near to God. He said not to be double minded. All these martyrs are doing their best to draw close to God. The whole darkness/light clash is right out in the open and we have no excuse for remaining double-minded. There is clarity, the martyrs are shining lights. We not only pray for James Foley we ask him to pray for us.

  • Santiago Matamoros, ora por nosotros!

    Saint James is the Patron Saint of Spain.

    Durante La Reconquista, dos gritos(?) de guerra estaban “Santiago y Cierra!” y “Santiago y Adelante!” Not sure my Spanish is correct. It’s 45 years . . .

Religion and Reality

Sunday, August 17, AD 2014

And the Pope has cast his arms abroad for agony and loss,  
And called the kings of Christendom for swords about the Cross.

GK Chesterton, Lepanto

 

Hattip to Pat Archbold at Creative Minority Report.  Father Robert S. Hewes recalls some very relevant history:

 

Getting all medieval..

 

Dear friends,

“Does it please Thee, O God, to deliver into the hands of these beasts the defenseless children whom I have nourished with Thy Love?”

The words above stood out like a thunderclap.

Earlier this morning (August 11th) I was reading the entry in “Butler’s Lives of the Saints” for the saint of the day: St. Clare of Assisi, a friend and contemporary of St. Francis of Assisi in the 13th century.

I had not thought to have read such words from a Saint who followed her fellow-townsman Francis in the spirit of poverty and simplicity. As a line from a movie has it, Clare “got all medieval” that day.

Well, St. Claire WAS “medieval”.

However, the account of the events that lead to long-ago prayer of Claire are strikingly modern. An army in the service of (of all people) the “Holy Roman Emperor” in the year 1244 advanced on her city.  This host was ravaging the area around Clare’s convent just outside Assisi and was largely composed of hired “Saracens” (i.e., Arab Muslim warriors) and approached the walls of her enclosure. She took herself to the wall, the Blessed Sacrament borne before her in a pyx and she faced the advancing Islamic troops. It was then she prayed the words that began this article.

Not very ecumenical we might think. Maybe she was too harsh?

After all, can’t we all just get along?

It takes two to get along.

You and I are used to assuming all people are basically good, and all religions are essentially good.  How often do we think ‘we all believe in the same God”?

Do we?

What is emerging and is rampaging today now in the form of “ISIS” or “ISIL” is an old story: militant Islam carrying the sword and demanding total submission to Allah as they conceive him to be. We are in merely the newest phase of a struggle that has gone on intermittently from 1400 years in the Middle East and has now spread West, as it once did.

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  • Excellent post. Timely as well.
    The great deceiver loves the attitude of todays politically correct. All religions are equal. Until the beheading of friends and family of the P.C. crowd will they realize their false mercy, however by then the crawl back to “freedom” will be a bloody one.

  • See St. Bernard de Clairvaux’ letter/treatise in support of the Knights Templar.

    Pope Urban and St. Bernard did not call for the slaughter of the filthy pagan murderers. The two saintly men called for the rescue of the faithful from evil. It required armed intervention then and now.

    N.B. some dastard NY Times scribbler wrote a tweet joking about the ISIS mass murders of our brothers and sisters in northern Iraq.

  • Excellent post. Christendom today faces death from liberalism in the West and death from Islam in the East. Both are Satanic.

  • This last raped Yazidi town could have been saved by transporting Pesh Merga by US planes. Survivors had cell phones to tell of the details from hiding places so the town must have called Erbil when under ultimatum days. Obama is hoping to do this on budget and part time and women have just payed…and in the next world…every ISIS member will pay heavily forever probably…and the ones who repent as they die will still pay enormously in purgatory for an excruciatingly long time. There is no time in Heaven because there is no pain in Heaven….there is eternity in Heaven. There is time in the other two places. One thing we know…ISIS has caused broken hearts and that suffering does not compare with what they face after death for breaking those hearts…even if they repent at death.

  • BBC reporting Kurds take dam from ISIS. French Press had reported it earlier.

  • Why is it that Catholic American citizens who are going about their lives, doing their best to follow Christ, can realize what we are facing now and the hierarchy of the Church cannot or will not see?

    As I have grown older I have grown more discontented with the Second Vatican Council. It occurred just twenty years after World War II. The hierarchy then all experienced World War II and knew of the evil that had been defeated. In its wake, the sacred liturgy of the ages was scrapped, a number of documents, nothing having to do with dogma, were issued and are held up today as if they are the most insightful documents written by man. The Church reached out to mainline Protestantism shortly before mainline Protestantism crashed and burned. Nearly two thousand years of Church history showed that the Church has almost always been under attack and wars have had to be fought to preserve the freedom to worship God in His Holy Church. Pagan barbarians, heretics, Muslims (who are seventh century heretics), Protestants (in truth, heretics, with man made ideas such as scripture alone, faith alone and a king as the spiritual and temporal leader of a church), fascists, communists and secularists have all sought to suppress the Church. Well, the 1960s came and if we’re nice, then they will be nice, completely ignoring human nature and human history.

    ISIS or ISIL or whatever they want to call themselves – they are no different than the Muslims that swept through North Africa, overran Spain in 711, attacked Otranto and killed everyone there, overran Constantinople and to this day suppress the Orthodox Church there, attacked Vienna twice, blew up airliners, murdered Israelis in Munich in 1972, murdered numerous Americans, blew up American embassies and flew jets into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon – narrowly being stopped on an attack of Capitol Hill or the White House – there is no being nice to these people.

    Islam is not a religion. It is an ideology that seeks world domination and submission or death to all. Not that different from Marxism, really.

    That stupid piece about Muslims and ecumenism that was written in one of those VII documents should be repealed, refuted and eliminated.

    September 12 is approaching. No Catholic should be ignorant of the significance of September 12 or October 7 Our Lady was asked for her intercession, not because of a thirst for vengeance or conquest but for assistance in the defense of the True Faith.

  • Violence is the complete and absolute absence of Faith and reason. Force is the complete and absolute absence of violence, in the same manner that Truth is the complete and absolute absence of evil. Evil is the complete and absolute absence of Truth.
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    What would Jesus do? Jesus would cleanse the Temple. Jesus gave the reason for the force He employed to cleanse the Temple: “My Father’s house is a house of prayer.” Christ’s Faith and reason.
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    The Church needs to be cleansed of sacrilege, blasphemy, heresy, human sacrifice, child abuse, pornography, sodomy, sexual trafficking
    The force used in repelling violence is a corporal work of mercy, self-defense, and a prayer.

  • Have you considered that ISIS might be our Gustavus Adolphus in the new Thirty Years War between Sunni and Shia, a conflict we can only hope will continue, until everyone willing to die for the cause has been given every opportunity to do so, a conflict we can only hope will continue, until everyone willing to die for the cause has been given every opportunity to do so. Peace will come when the parties are exhausted or when one side wins decisively.
    ISIS are fighting the Assad Régime in Syria, an ally of Iran, a regime that has long menaced Israel from the Golan Heights; they have effectively toppled the pro-Shiite (and pro-Iranian) regime of Nouri al-Maliki in Iraq; if all goes well, they may turn that country into a failed state or, at the very least, precipitate its break up into its three ancients components, the Wadis of Mosul, Baghdad and Basra. Should their Eastward advance prove successful, they may engage Hezbollah, Iran’s proxy in Lebanon. What is wrong with that?
    By all means, let us give humanitarian assistance to the Yazidis caught up in the conflict. Otherwise, we should leave well alone. Imposed cease-fires artificially freeze conflict and prolong war indefinitely, by shielding the weaker side from the consequences of refusing to make concessions for peace or from suffering a catastrophic defeat.

  • “Have you considered that ISIS might be our Gustavus Adolphus in the new Thirty Years War between Sunni and Shia,”

    I think the closest analogy to anything that occurred in the Thirty Years War are the Huguenot rebellions in France. Isis has no chance of establishing its caliphate long term, but they will be the catalyst for the involvement of other forces throughout the Middle East for most of this century.

  • Donald R McClarey wrote, “I think the closest analogy to anything that occurred in the Thirty Years War are the Huguenot rebellions in France. Isis has no chance of establishing its caliphate long term, but they will be the catalyst for the involvement of other forces throughout the Middle East for most of this century.”

    I agree with that. That is why wise Catholics like Cardinal Richelieu and Père Joseph du Tremblay were ruthless in suppressing the Huguenot power in France, whilst supporting Protestants abroad, Gustavus Adolphus and the Elector of Brandenburg-Prussia being the prime examples.

  • It is God Whom we love in each other. It is the devil whom we lust for in each other. “fell in lust” from the Double Indemnity post perfectly describes falling in lust with the devil, the perfect absence of good.
    It was the devil in the Saracens who ran from the Real Presence of Jesus Christ held aloft by Saint Clare. It is time to hold the Real Presence of Jesus Christ aloft again.

Nun Tears Down Isis Banner

Sunday, August 10, AD 2014

Sister Christine Frost

We have set the seal of Solomon on all things under sun,  
Of knowledge and of sorrow and endurance of things done.  
But a noise is in the mountains, in the mountains, and I know  
The voice that shook our palaces—four hundred years ago:  
It is he that saith not ‘Kismet’; it is he that knows not Fate;  
It is Richard, it is Raymond, it is Godfrey at the gate!   
It is he whose loss is laughter when he counts the wager worth,  
Put down your feet upon him, that our peace be on the earth.

GK Chesterton, Lepanto

 

 

The good news is that the spirit of Urban II is not quite dead in all Catholics.  The surprisingly good news is that it is apparently alive and well in the soul of a 77 year old nun in London:

 

Isis sympathisers in east London met their match in the form of a nun who tore down a flag glorifying the Islamist fanatics accused of genocide agianst non-Muslim minorites in Iraq.

There was outrage in east London after the black flag of Isis (also  known as the Islamic State) was hung over the entrance of the Will Crooks estate in Tower Hamlets.

Reports claimed a gang of youths patrolled the area and intimidated members of the public who stopped to photograph the flag. Anti-Semitic threats were issued by thugs, reported the Standard.

But overnight, a plucky nun shrugged off the potential danger and tore down the flag from the gates, where it had been flying alongside a Palestine flag.

That nun was Sister Christine Frost, a Roman Catholic 77-year-old who has lived in and served the deprived local community for 44 years, as a member of the order of Faithful Companions of Jesus.

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  • Brava!

    “BAGHDAD, Aug 10 (Reuters) – Islamic State militants have killed at least 500 members of Iraq’s Yazidi minority, burying some alive and taking hundreds of women as slaves, an Iraqi government minister told Reuters on Sunday.”

    A while back, Obama wanted US air strikes to support the filthy pagans.

  • The Summit Against the Heathens, Book One, Chapter Six, Paragraph Four, Saint Thomas Aquinas

    On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this, The point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning, Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Muhammad forced others to become his followers by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on the part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimonies of the Old and New Testaments by making them into fabrications of his own, as can be. seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place any faith in his words believe foolishly.

  • Daily, ISIS, et al are proving the truth about Islam.

    John Quincy Adams on Islam:

    “In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams’s capital letters)….Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.”

  • Thank you, Paul. When I read Thomas Aquinas, I saw Obama in all of the threads.

  • Hoorah for Sr. Christine, who ‘Frosted” the Islamic fanatics!

  • All of the comments are great. Now, would someone please tell the leadership of the Roman Catholic church.

Coming Soon to a Mall Near You?

Friday, September 27, AD 2013

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  • As I understand it, the terrorists who did this crime were Muslim. And while the news media did report about this attack, the fact that the perpetrators were Muslim is glossed over or hidden, and the similar attacks occurring daily against Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic and Protestant Christians – again perpetrated by Muslims – are studiously ignored. These Islamic fanatics are torturing and murdering women and children daily, especially if they are Christian or Jewish, and ignoring the plight of the victims is consistent with how the main stream media treats the torture and murder of the unborn by liberal progressives. Indeed, liberal progressives and Islamic fanatics are so different that they are the same.

    PS, Not all Muslims are so inclined. I have worked with a few throughout my career, and those with whom I worked were invariably honest, hardworking and respectful of the beliefs of others.

  • We find good and bad in all religions. The problem with Islam currently is that it contains within it not insignificant groups dedicated to performing atrocities like this on a regular basis. Our feckless immigration policy, dating all the way back to 1965,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965,
    blithely views this hard fact of life with cold indifference, as we set about setting the stage for a permanent low level, I hope, war of religion in this country.

  • Because Obama!

    Say there are 1,000,000,000 muslims on the planet. If 1% are violently inclined, that’s 10,000,000. If 99% of the world-wide violently inclined are finance/logistics/overhead, then there are 100,000 fell killers arming, planning, training, and waiting for the whistle to go off.

    Do the math. There are 300 to 600 mass-killers in the US. The variables are when and where.

  • Listening to Robert Spencer on “Catholic Answers,” the problem is more than groups within a religion creating violence. There is a leg of Islam stool which advocates violence; it’s a tenet of the faith. According to him, we should be led to believe Islam is essentially a religion of peace because some, the non-violent Muslims, choose not to adhere to every aspect of their faith.

  • The problem with Islam is that unlike Taoism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, etc., the Islamic scriptures – the Koran – does advocate and command violence against and dhimmitude of non-Muslims. Not all Muslims are like that. Perhaps not even a majority are like that. But it is the one single religion that officially requires forced subjugation if not death of those who do not adhere to its tenets, and that is the fundamental problem.

    Yes, there will always be evil people in any religion, even the Catholic Church, but the amount of evil perpetrated by such individuals pales in comparison to what Islam has done, and the official Scriptures of such religions forbids such violence, contrary to the Islamic scriptures.

    Again, that doesn’t mean all Muslims are bad. It just means that when the basis of a religion is bad, then one can and should expect bad results. What happened at this Mall in Kenya and what continues to happen to Christians in the Middle East is far more than simply bad. Soon, as the title to this post indicates, it may happen here in the US as liberal progressives welcome more and more intolerant Muslims under the guise of tolerance and open mindedness, and that may be how God allows us to be punished for our licentiousness, hedonism, paganism and atheism. God does not change. He punished Israel with the Assyrians and Judah with the Babylonians. It is not inconceivable that He may punish (or allowed to be punished) America with Islam. God is Holy and He demands Holiness.

  • So how does this end? Can the theology of violence be removed from Islam? Is it too ingrained in the faith to be removed? Can it be removed while sparing the pride of its followers? Or, is it a cross we must live with until the end of time?

    I don’t see how it can remain and Muslims live peacefully with others. It’s really sad to see so many people, a civilization that did well before Islam, be dragged down by calls for violence and hate.

  • Islam has been around for almost fourteen centuries. The willingness of its adherents to have peaceful relations with non-Muslims has varied wildly based upon time and place. However, no majority Islamic state has ever existed where non-Muslims enjoy civic equality, leaving lip service aside, with Muslims. Such states developed among majority Christian populations only with the greatest difficult and are relatively new historically speaking. Whether Islamic peoples can ever produce such states is very much an open question and the historical record is not hopeful, to say the least.

  • “So how does this end?”

    By Jesus Christ triumphing over satan, death and hell. It ends with the conversion of Muslims to the Faith once delivered unto the Saints. We were commanded to go forth, preach the Good News, and Baptize in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. For too long we have lived under the false gospel of live and let live, your religion is as good as mine, let’s all just co-exist. There is no co-existence with the devil and the violence of Islam is diabolical. It takes the Cross to defeat Islam. That’s how it ends. No Islam. No Buddhism. No Taoism. No Hinduism. They are all false. Only Christianity is the fullness of Truth, and far from being arrogant or self-assured, we should work out our salvation in fear and trembling for our Lord is a Holy God.

  • It would be interesting to see how much campaign money is being donated to anti-2nd Amendment groups and candidates by Islamists. I know the sources must be domestic but the ways to funnel funds are many and difficult to expose.

  • Donald R McClarey wrote, “no majority Islamic state has ever existed where non-Muslims enjoy civic equality”

    Turkey under Ataturk? Kemalism was heavily influenced by the French concept of laïcité and the complete separation of l’éspace public (the sphere of the state and its administration) and l’éspace privé (the sphere of civil society)

  • True MPS, and as we see today that concept is coming under increasing attack in Turkey. Additionally, Atatuk’s reforms took place under a very repressive regime and only after most Christians, Greeks and Armenians, had been driven out of Turkey, those who were not butchered. Turkey for the Turks was also a motto of Ataturk. The largest minority group, the Kurds, have long had a hate-hate relationship with the government of Turkey. Modern Turkey is 99.8% Islamic, if one includes in that figure people who profess no religion but were raised in the Muslim faith.

  • Donald R McClarey wrote “Turkey for the Turks was also a motto of Ataturk.”

    Indeed it was and that is instructive in itself.

    The Arab revolt against Turkish rule was matched by a Turkish revolt against Arabic influence – From adopting the Roman alphabet and the replacement of Shari’ah law with the Swiss Civil Code and the Italian Penal Code to such apparently trivial matters as banning the fez and the veil and changing the Adhan from Arabic to Turkish. The dissolution of the Dervish orders recalls the dissolving of the Congrégations in France and sprang from similar anti-clerical sentiments

    In short, national solidarity trumpted religious solidarity, symbolized by the abolition of the Caliphate.

    The Pan-Arabism of the Ba’athist parties and the secularism of the PLO, at least in its origins, reflect a similar tendency.

  • Which is proving in our day to be a rather week reed against a resurgent Islam. In any country with a majority Islamic population I would never bet, long term, against Islam. I do not think muslims in the mass will follow the secular path blazed by the Christian West, and in some ways I can understand why they would not. This century will witness a clash of civilizations to mirror the clash of secular ideologies of the last.

  • “I do not think muslims in the mass will follow the secular path blazed by the Christian West”

    They do seem to have become stricter of late.

    When I was a schoolboy, the Aga Khan and Prince Aly Khan were familiar figures at Longchamp and the ladies of their entourage always wore Western dress. He was Imam of the Nizan Ismailis and the first President of the All-India Muslim League. No imam would permit that today, or allow them to take his arm.

    The same was true of Ex-King Farouk of Egypt and his party, whom I saw taking tea at the Negresco in Nice; I suppose I was about eight (1953-4)

    Then again, the two female Muslim cabinet ministers in the Sarkozy government, Rachida Dati and Fadela Amara were enthusiastic supporters of the headscarf ban in schools [« l’affaire du foulard »] and, in their speeches, constantly stressed laïcité, gender equality and gender desegregation.

  • Most Islamic violence happening today is being perpetrated by Sunni/Wahabbist also called Salafist Muslims. A look at Saudi Arabia shows what to expect from them. Absolutely no tolerance for other religions and (as they call us) infidels. Both Al quaida and the Taliban fall into this most fundamentalist form of Islam. There are many active Jihadist groups throughout the world. Their desired form of government is theocracy governed and Sharia law. For America to attempt bringing Democracy to these people (Operation Iraqi Freedom) is Oxy-moronic. Christ’s words “render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” doesn’t work with them. It’s all for Allah. The Wahabbist form of Islam is not only a threat to Christians and Jews but to other Muslims who don’t conform to their fundamentalist beliefs. The spread of this extreme form of Islam should be a concern to all who don’t want a return to 15th century Arabic governance.

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  • After reading the description of the cruel violence, my first thought was of the Reavers from Firefly.

Defeat in Afghanistan and Against Al Qaeda

Thursday, October 11, AD 2012

Lara Logan of CBS News gave an incredible speech earlier this week in the video above detailing the lies of the Obama administration regarding defeat in Afghanistan and the resurgence of Al Qaeda throughout the Middle East.  One of the more mindless mantras of the Obama re-election team was Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive.  That is why the Obama administration was in fraudulent denial for so long that the Benghazi attack was a result of terrorism and instead attempted to blame the Mohammed video.  Rather than destroying Al Qaeda the Obama administration has presided over a debacle in the Middle East where the jihadists are rising in strength with Benghazi being a symbol of their renewed power.  Bravo to Lara Logan for putting Journalism first and leaving politics aside.

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  • I listened to 14 minutes. Does Logan ever…ever… give her quantity figure for Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in light of her rejecting the CIA’s number of fifty or does she stay switched into anecdotal mode forever?
    One requirement of a just war is that there is the possibility of success. Al Qaeda is mobile. Drone them. Logan has some other agenda that requires whole army prescence. She wants to perhaps save the women of Afghanistan. Understandable…but what has that to do with U.S. tax dollars and lives. Revamping a corrupt culture is not listed as a reason of the just war. Afghanistan is not crucial to Al Qaeda. They are mobile. Logan wants to save Afghanistani
    women underneath it all. Understandable but I don’t see how just war theory encompasses it without tremendous stretching of its concepts.

  • A “just” war is not based on its probable outcome but instead on the concept of umm Justice. Obviously an earthly government has to consider its limitations of people and resources in undertaking any effort, military or otherwise. But now we are talking wisdom or practicality.

    However I wonder why I have the vague feeling that you are off chasing digressions and trivial questions. The issue is whether Al Qaeda is linking itself with or infiltrating the governments that the Obama Administration has welcomed in the “Arab Spring” and whether the Obama Afghan war prosecution is feckless or adroit. The Afghanistan war had the more or less explicit goal of preventing the return of the Taliban. Ms Logan noted that there has been a deterioration in that front as well, not an improvement from the surge. So the stated timeframe of withdrawal seems to be ensuring defeat. That may be the best policy but Obama has certainly not presented any of this accurately to the public. Ergo Ms Logan’s pronouncements.

  • Rozin,
         You contradicted the Catholic catechism with your: ” A “just” war is not based on its probable outcome”.   Look up the Catholic requirements for a just war prior to giving us a private revelation from behind a cirrus cloud.  Ah heck…here’s the catechism:

    2309 The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:
     – the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
     – all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
     – THERE MUST BE SERIOUS PROSPECTS OF SUCCESS
     – the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.
    These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the “just war” doctrine. The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.

         Lara Logan is married to a US Federal Gov. Defense contractor….Joseph Burkett with whom she committed adultery in Iraq.  He later divorced his wife and married her.  Her household’s ( 5 people…million and a half$ house) income probably unless she goes transparent… goes up with Romney’s Defense budget and down with Obama’s…up with full army prescence in the mideast…down with smart war Panetta.  She may or may not be motivated by this but should recuse herself from the topic entirely.  Muslim women saved her from a molesting mob which means she could be motivated well ( by them) or ill ( hubby’s income under Romney).  Scripture says “avoid the very appearance of evil”.  She should recuse herself.

  • “She may or may not be motivated by this ”

    Bill, I would greatly appreciate it if you would never bring tripe like this again into my comboxes unless you have evidence to support your allegation.

  • Deleted your last comment Bill since you chose to ignore my admonition. You are banned from this site and may now propound any tripe you wish at other venues.

  • Off topic, but I am continually amazed by people who somehow think the first amendment covers their right to spew tripe in an internet comment box. Congrats, Donald, you are now Congress.

  • Donald shall make no law abridging freedom of speech on blogs! 🙂

  • Oddly, I’ve seen folks outraged that a month later CNN let the mother come on and demand answers, claiming it was manipulating her for ratings.

    Yes, it got ratings. It also gave her a platform to demand answers.

That Inconvenient First Amendment

Thursday, September 27, AD 2012

Eric Posner, a University of Chicago law professor, and son of Judge Richard Posner of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, one of President Reagan’s less wise judicial appointments, writing in Slate thinks that perhaps it is time that Americans stop making a fetish of freedom of speech as embodied in the First Amendment.  Christopher Johnson, a Protestant who has taken up the cudgels so frequently in defense of the Church that I have designated him Defender of the Faith, gives Posner a fisking to remember:

University of Chicago law professor Eric Posner thinks that this country really needs to dial down its obsession with free speech:

The universal response in the United States to the uproar over the anti-Muslim video is that the Muslim world will just have to get used to freedom of expression. President Obama said so himself in a speech at the United Nations today, which included both a strong defense of the First Amendment and (“in the alternative,” as lawyers say) and a plea that the United States is helpless anyway when it comes to controlling information. In a world linked by YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook, countless videos attacking people’s religions, produced by provocateurs, rabble-rousers, and lunatics, will spread to every corner of the world, as fast as the Internet can blast them, and beyond the power of governments to stop them. Muslims need to grow a thick skin, the thinking goes, as believers in the West have done over the centuries. Perhaps they will even learn what it means to live in a free society, and adopt something like the First Amendment in their own countries.

Maybe that’s right.  But actually, America needs to get with the international program.

But there is another possible response. This is that Americans need to learn that the rest of the world—and not just Muslims—see no sense in the First Amendment. Even other Western nations take a more circumspect position on freedom of expression than we do, realizing that often free speech must yield to other values and the need for order. Our own history suggests that they might have a point.

Look at it this way.  At least the trains will run on time and everyone will be able to read the “No Food Today” signs.  Posner points out that it was the left which first turned the First Amendment into an weapon.

The First Amendment earned its sacred status only in the 1960s, and then only among liberals and the left, who cheered when the courts ruled that government could not suppress the speech of dissenters, critics, scandalous artistic types, and even pornographers. Conservatives objected that these rulings helped America’s enemies while undermining public order and morality at home, but their complaints fell on deaf ears.

Shogi, the Japanese version of chess, has a unique characteristic.  Because of the way the pieces are shaped, no piece is ever completely out of the game.  Any of your pieces that I happen to take can be turned around and employed by my army.

A totem that is sacred to one religion can become an object of devotion in another, even as the two theologies vest it with different meanings. That is what happened with the First Amendment. In the last few decades, conservatives have discovered in its uncompromising text— “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech”—support for their own causes. These include unregulated campaign speech, unregulated commercial speech, and limited government. Most of all, conservatives have invoked the First Amendment to oppose efforts to make everyone, in universities and elsewhere, speak “civilly” about women and minorities. I’m talking of course about the “political correctness” movement beginning in the 1980s, which often merged into attempts to enforce a leftist position on race relations and gender politics.

Posner wants Americans to remember two things.  The First Amendment is strictly an American idea whose inspiration is not shared by anybody else in the world and which cannot force people stop thinking bad thoughts.

We have to remember that our First Amendment values are not universal; they emerged contingently from our own political history, a set of cobbled-together compromises among political and ideological factions responding to localized events. As often happens, what starts out as a grudging political settlement has become, when challenged from abroad, a dogmatic principle to be imposed universally. Suddenly, the disparagement of other people and their beliefs is not an unfortunate fact but a positive good. It contributes to the “marketplace of ideas,” as though we would seriously admit that Nazis or terrorist fanatics might turn out to be right after all. Salman Rushdie recently claimed that bad ideas, “like vampires … die in the sunlight” rather than persist in a glamorized underground existence. But bad ideas never die: They are zombies, not vampires. Bad ideas like fascism, Communism, and white supremacy have roamed the countryside of many an open society.

In the past, American “values” have made this country look bad to the rest of the world.

Americans have not always been so paralyzed by constitutional symbolism. During the Cold War, the U.S. foreign policy establishment urged civil rights reform in order to counter Soviet propagandists’ gleeful reports that Americans fire-hosed black protesters and state police arrested African diplomats who violated Jim Crow laws. Rather than tell the rest of the world to respect states’ rights—an ideal as sacred in its day as free speech is now—the national government assured foreigners that it sought to correct a serious but deeply entrenched problem. It is useful if discomfiting to consider that many people around the world may see America’s official indifference to Muslim (or any religious) sensibilities as similar to its indifference to racial discrimination before the civil rights era.

It says in another part of the First Amendment that the US government is supposed to be indifferent to the sensibilities of all religions.  That’s what we were always told whenever some governmental entity allowed the display of the Cross or the Ten Commandments anyway.  So it’s unclear why the United States government should care one way or the other about the feelings of Muslims.

But according to Eric Posner, they apparently should care deeply whenever Islamic feelings are hurt.  Not only that, this American law professor thinks that the fact that Washington was unable to legally force Google to take that film down is a scandal.

The final irony is that while the White House did no more than timidly plead with Google to check if the anti-Muslim video violates its policies (appeasement! shout the critics), Google itself approached the controversy in the spirit of prudence. The company declined to remove the video from YouTube because the video did not attack a group (Muslims) but only attacked a religion (Islam). Yet it also cut off access to the video in countries such as Libya and Egypt where it caused violence or violated domestic law. This may have been a sensible middle ground, or perhaps Google should have done more. What is peculiar it that while reasonable people can disagree about whether a government should be able to curtail speech in order to safeguard its relations with foreign countries, the Google compromise is not one that the U.S. government could have directed. That’s because the First Amendment protects verbal attacks on groups as well as speech that causes violence (except direct incitement: the old cry of “Fire!” in a crowded theater). And so combining the liberal view that government should not interfere with political discourse, and the conservative view that government should not interfere with commerce, we end up with the bizarre principle that U.S. foreign policy interests cannot justify any restrictions on speech whatsoever. Instead, only the profit-maximizing interests of a private American corporation can. Try explaining that to the protesters in Cairo or Islamabad.

I’ve got a better idea, Professor.  Try explaining to the protestors in Cairo and Islamabad that ANYTHING that happens inside this country is none of their damned business.

The mendacity and dishonesty of this piece is easily ascertained by asking yourself a simple question.  If some form of artistic expression had insulted Jesus or villified Christianity, would Posner still have written it?

If some museum displays an egregiously blasphemous painting of Jesus or Mary, if a particularly blasphemous movie was made, if another TV show or play debuted which ridiculed Christians or if Bill Maher opened his pie hole, would Posner think it regrettable that the US government was unable to legally prevent these things from happening?

Of course  he wouldn’t.  The question wouldn’t even come up.  And the reason why the question wouldn’t come up is simple.  Christians don’t kill people and destroy property when they are insulted and villified or their Lord is blasphemed.

A faculty sinecure at the University of Chicago Law School would seem to suggest a certain level of intelligence.  So it’s hard for me to figure out why Eric Posner thinks that restricting American rights simply to avoid offending Muslims is a good idea.

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  • The First Amendment is protected by the Second. Obama and the Democrats would do well to remember that. Oh wait – they do know that, hence their initiatives against firearm ownership. So only perverts will have freedom of speech so that they can dispense their pornography and only criminals will own guns with which to protect their activities. This is so Orwellian!

  • We might repair to the thought of Alvin Gouldner and Thomas Sowell to better understand what is meant by ‘liberal’ social thought at this point and then look at the behavior of the judiciary, the professoriate, and the nexus between them as represented in this chap Posner. Here is the hypothesis: these fellows conceive of the rest of society as being under their tutelage, and you no more have a right of free speech than you do in daddy Posner’s courtroom or junior Posner’s classroom. It is the job of the rest of us to remind Prof. Posner’s that we have all been out of school for a while even if you never left, buddy.

  • The answer to savagery is not slavery. It’s confronting savagery.

    Anyhow, the embassy massacre wasn’t caused by a YouTube video. That is propaganda. It was about Obama’s failed foreign and security policies.

    “Too many of the people at the top of our society are cowards.”

    Minor edit: Your self-anointed elites are unprincipled cowards and traitors.

  • A++, Art.

    August 13, 2012: George Steele Gordon:

    “Intellectuals, especially in the social sciences, have a nasty habit of thinking that, ‘This is the way the world should be, therefore this is the way the world can be.’

    “Sometimes the mind just boggles.

    “The Atlantic has an article this month with the title ‘Americans Want to Live in a Much More Equal Country (They Just Don’t Realize It).’ I am always curious when intellectuals announce that the people (who in the American constitutional system serve as the sovereign power) don’t know what’s good for them (What’s the Matter with Kansas?) or don’t even know what they want.

    “Implicit in all of these revelations, of course, is the firmest, if never directly expressed, belief of the Left: That the average person is too stupid to run his own life, let alone make public policy decisions. Those few, those happy few, that band of liberal intellectuals, must do that for them.”

  • If I followed this right, Posner is saying that a US move to take control of international communications systems would be welcomed by the rest of the world. That’s what he’s actually saying. I don’t know how to refute something that transparently idiotic. I mean, all First Amendment issues to the side, and questions of universal rights just tossed out the window, what does he think would happen if the US government announced that from now on, everything on the internet would have to be cleared through them?

    Maybe Posner anticipates that each country would have its own internet censorship board. But a heck of a lot of the internet is stored on US servers and bounced of US satellites. Thanks to cloud computing, it is impossible to say what information isn’t housed in the US. So Posner is essentially recommending an international cartel on information run out of Washington DC, and he thinks that that will relieve anti-US sentiment.

We Apologize For Breathing

Friday, September 21, AD 2012

Hattip to AllahPundit at Hot Air.  Your tax dollars at work.  The State Department is paying for the above video to run in Pakistan.  I find it breathtaking in its complete incomprehension.  The foolish anti-Mohammed video is merely a pretext for the Jihadists to carry on their war with us.  Obama and Clinton could apologize from now until Doomsday and it would have no impact, except to convince watching muslims that the United States leadership is weak and confused which is a completely accurate assessment of the Obama administration abroad.

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  • Liberals simply do not understand. We have one at work. He was complaining about a totally separate subject: that Romney wants to open up more fossil fuel supply that will pollute the atmosphere. I tried explaining that Obama’s appointment of an anti-nuclear power activist as head of the US NRC and his undermining of US commercial nuclear power (the only viable alternative to fossil fuel) are even worse. But the truth didn’t matter. His eyes are fixed on the Obamessiah, yet a better technical engineer or more dedicated one I have yet to meet.

    I am convinced that liberalism is a disease of the mind that blinds the self to the truth.

  • I’m being charitable here. The liberals running us into the mud are idiotic, unprincipled cowards. It’s why they lost the Middle East and North Africa (now regime-sponsored terrorist recruiting centers and training camps), Africa, and are losing the global terror war against us.

    Paul, the useless idiots are also at war with coal, electricity generation, oil (e.g., ban Keystone pipeline), and the (evil, unjust) private sector.

    The one campaign promise Obama has kept: skyrocketing energy prices.

  • What we can and cannot do in the Near East and adjacent areas is quite constrained by costs and (with regard to certain functions) a deficit of capable and loyal personnel. A great deal of this is just political tides you cannot manipulate readily, certainly not with the clandestine services we have (in which Aldrich Ames was promoted how many times?). That having been said, a security cordon for diplomats is certainly something we can afford and that is what they did not supply to the departed Mr. Stevens and others. Instead of owning up to that they give us this. As for the odious Mr. Morsi, a reminder that we have a long memory might do for the time being. With our fiscal house in better order we might just be able to graduate to ‘nice little canal you have there; pity if someone took it from you’.

    Please note with regard to your second video that murderous intent applies primarily to the Jews and is regarded indulgently by the twerps currently in the employ of Ron Unz and Taki Theodorogetdrunkfalldownchaseskirts and also by the soi-disant Catholic peace-and-justice types (see Jonathan Tobin’s recent brief critique of Margaret Steinfels commentary).

  • “Please note with regard to your second video that murderous intent applies primarily to the Jews”

    I can think of a lot of Copts and other Christian Arabs who have the misfortune to have been born in the Middle East Art who would beg to differ as to that sentiment.

  • You are wrong – the video would have worked if Madam Hillary had worn a Hijab and covered herself appropriately. What was she thinking!?!

    Actually, I am with the Muslims on covering Hillary from head to toe – finally, common ground we can work from!

  • In his statement, the pres said, forgive me if I get the words wrong as I’ve listened several times, the that he objects to the demograte??? of all faith beliefs.
    I wonder how he can say that when he and his administration are basicly at war with the Catholic Church and other Christian faiths with all these mandates that go against the moral values of the faith of others. Is he in fact saying he will not stand for anyone to make comments or other fourms of communication against the Muslim religion but will promote it against Christian religions.

  • “wonder how he can say that when he and his administration are basically at war with the Catholic Church and other Christian faiths ”

    We don’t form murderous mobs and hunt and kill American ambassadors. Additionally I think Obama views Islam through the usual liberal prism where colorful members of the Third World can do no wrong and America can do no right. It is as condescending to them in its way as any Brit colonel in the nineteenth century ranting about WOGS in India. On the other hand, Christians in general, and Catholics in particular, are viewed as enemy number one, always standing in the way of the building of a global secular utopia. (I realize the glaring contradictions that these beliefs contain, but I do think that is how Obama and many secular liberals rationalize in their own minds the disparate treatment they mete out to Muslims and Christians.)

  • WHY do we reject this video’s content and message? On what grounds does the US government take a stand on a particular religious message? The video, as I understand it, was a privately-funded piece of art with a religious commentary. The President can personally condemn it, and Congress can pass a resolution condemning it, but seriously, how in the world can the US government state a position on it?

  • I can think of a lot of Copts and other Christian Arabs who have the misfortune to have been born in the Middle East Art who would beg to differ as to that sentiment.

    Agreed they have been on the receiving end of more abuse the last 37 years. The aspirations the Arab world’s enrages have toward the Jews remain unfulfilled due to Israel’s military.

  • Yes this apologizing thing is out of control. Jesus would have NEVER apologized for anything especially for the sake of an attempt at peace.

  • Last time I looked Bob Obama wasn’t Jesus, although I think some of his more deluded followers may be confused on that point. Anyone who believes these apologies will do anything other than to encourage Jihadist attacks, needs to put down the crack pipe and take a cold shower, stat.

  • It is correct that Jesus would never ever apologize. He is God. God is without apology. So when he had a fit in the temple, overturning the tables of the money changers and whipping them out, he did so without apology. When he condemned Tyre and Sidon, he did do without apology. When he ripped up one side and down the other of that society’s self-righteous leaders (can you spell social justice Democrat?), he did so without apology. When he told the disciples to arm themselves with a sword just before Judas met him to betray him, he did so without apology. And when he told Pontius Pilate that his kingdom was not of this world, and Pilate would have no power except what God gave him (something Obama would do well to remember), he did so without apology.

    No apology for righteousness, holiness, virtue, integrity, honor ad true justice! None! Not then. Not now. Not ever. And Jesus Christ will one day return to Earth on that great white horse with that great sword coming out of his mouth exactly as Revelation 19 explains, and without apology there will be hell to pay. You get that, Bob?

  • The pres has different views as to what needs apoligies for and what not – we know he is sending out apology messages to the Muslin nations but now a word of apology to Christians over a pice of art of Christ Crucified covered with urine, that is acceptable to him and no apology to Christians needed or condemnation of the artist.
    I made a comment to others that after the Pres took office he went to Egypy on his ‘apology tour’ to the Muslim nations, maybe he needs to go back there right now, stand in the middle of all those Muslims yelling ‘Kill Americans’ while they burn Our Flag and apologize to them again, in person.

  • This is one of the most shameful moments in American history. When before have we cowered before our enemies like this?
    What Carter began in the Muslim world, Obama will finish. What started in Iran now infects the entire region.
    He has no idea what he is unleashing.
    Others have pointed out that what the United States has repeatedly shown to the Muslim world through its actions is that we fear only one thing: Allah.
    Oh, the things they have observed.

    Americans troops don’t dare chase Jihadi’s into our mosques.
    Americans will burn Bibles at their military bases so they can’t be used to corrupt the faithful.
    They treat the Koran with the respect it deserves, wearing gloves when they touch it and never putting it on the ground.
    When Mohammad (insert appropriate verbage here) is shown disrespect, the nation’s very own leader buys time on our televisions to apologize.

    Bush was so very wrong. We are at war with Islam. And we are losing.

  • Impeach, try and convict the Secretary of State.

    It’s the only way to be sure.

Terrorist WMDs Found?

Monday, February 14, AD 2011

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  • In the short term dirty bombs of most forms are not likely to produce mass death, rather mass panic is more likely.

    In the longer term there are some serious health concerns depending on the type of dirty bomb, and the problem of decontamination of a dirty bomb impacted area would be likely as involved, expensive, and time consuming as the WTC clean up.

    Now if there is a true nuclear weapon, that is a much greater threat, but not a very probable one.

    Chemical weapons seems to be the WMD most likely to be able to cause both mass death and be obtained by terrorists. Biologicals are less probably but equally or more dangerous.

Jihadists, Truth and Father Raymond J. de Souza

Friday, November 12, AD 2010

The appalling murder of dozens of Christians at Our Lady of Deliverance Cathedral by Al Qaeda on October 31, gives us another opportunity to look into the minds of these butchers.

Al Qaeda released a statement on the Internet claiming the attack.

“Upon guidance issued by the Ministry of War in the Islamic State of Iraq in support for our downtrodden Muslim sisters that are held captive in the Muslim land of Egypt and after accurate planning and selection, an angry group of righteous jihadists attacked a filthy den of polytheism,” according to the statement, which was obtained by The Long War Journal. “This den has been frequently used by the Christians of Iraq to fight Islam and support those who are fighting it. With the grace of God, the group was able to hold captive all those in the den and take over all its entrances.”

Based on the statement, it appears that al Qaeda in Iraq had hoped to hold the Christians in Baghdad hostage for at least two days, as a deadline for “the release” of Egyptian women supposedly being held in Coptic churches in Egypt was issued.

“The mujahidin in the Islamic State of Iraq give Egypt’s Christian and belligerent Church as well as its chief of infidelity a 48-hour ultimatum to disclose the status of our sisters in religion, who are held captive in Egypt’s monasteries of infidelity and churches of polytheism,” al Qaeda demanded. “The mujahidin further demand the release of all of them together with an announcement of the release via a media outlet that the mujahidin can access within the deadline.”

Al Qaeda said that if the demands were not met, “the lions of monotheism [al Qaeda’s fighters], who wore their explosive belts, will not hesitate to kill the militant Iraqi Christian captives.”

Al Qaeda in Iraq also threatened to carry out attacks against Christian churches across the globe.

“Afterwards, various attacks will be launched against them inside and outside this country, in which their lands will be destroyed, their strength will be undermined, and they will be afflicted by the humiliation that God ordained for them,” al Qaeda said.

The jihadists want us dead because we are Christians.  They have absolutely no compunction about slaying Muslims who oppose them, and in their eyes Christians are fit only to be killed or to be slaves.  The alleged reasons given by Al Qaeda for the attack on the Cathedral are completely delusional and demonstrate yet again that to them the murder of Christians is, in itself, a positive good.

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  • From “Gates of Vienna” blog:

    Thruth

    “Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff Versus the State of Denial

    “When Barack Obama spoke in Mumbai about “the different meanings” of jihad, he set up us up again for the Big Lie: ‘I think,’ the 44th president said, sounding much like the 43rd president, ‘all of us recognize that this great religion in the hands of a few extremists has been distorted to justify violence toward innocent people that is never justified.’”

    “All — all — of the sacred books and schools of Islam say differently. Every, single one. The fact is — not the fantasy — there is no distortion of Islamic texts required to justify the violence of jihad from Mumbai to Tel Aviv to New York City to Bali to Madrid and beyond.

    “But we, dhimmi-citizens of an Islamizing world, are not supposed to notice the links between the violence and the faith, the faith and the law, the law and the violence — and certainly not say so out loud. Most people don’t. Increasingly, this state of denial is enforced by actual states of denial – the most recent example being Austria, which, in a trial on Nov. 23, will attempt to use “hate speech” laws to send Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff to prison for as long as three years for statements about Islam very similar to those I’ve just written.”

  • “Vengeance is mine says the Lord.” So Scripture teaches us, and so it must be for us, leaving vengeance to the Lord, and imploring the grace of reconciliation and mercy. But let us not blanch from raising our voices to the Lord . . . to bring down His wrath upon their heads, to exact upon them a terrifying price in full measure for their grievous sins.

    Is he saying that one must pray for God to show mercy and wrath at the same time?

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  • I guess what he is saying is that on a personal level, we are to be merciful, leaving justice to God, and imploring God’s justice be swift.

    That’s the best I can figure it. It does seem a bit incongruous, but I can certainly understand and sympathize with the sentiments.