Empty Words After Manchester

Wednesday, May 24, AD 2017

“His Holiness Pope Francis was deeply saddened to learn of the injury and tragic loss of life caused by the barbaric attack in Manchester, and he expresses his heartfelt solidarity with all those affected by this senseless act of violence.”

May 23, 2017

Pope Francis signaled Monday that Europe’s refugee crisis will be a top political and diplomatic priority for the Vatican in 2016, using an annual speech to diplomats accredited to the Vatican to urge “assistance and acceptance” for massive waves of migrants arriving today on the Old Continent.

January 11, 2016

 

 

We can all understand the idiotic game being played by this time.  Jihadists slay innocents, politicians and religious leaders make empty statements of condemnation and solidarity, almost always the same politicians and religious figures who have fostered mass Islamic immigration to the West, and we go on our way, amidst calls against Islamophobia, until the next Jihadist act of butchery and the cycle repeats.  The West, with rare exceptions, has leadership that is not only impotent in the face of jihadists, but eagerly swells the numbers from which they recruit in the West.  Bruce Bawer at City Journal nails it:

Damn these jihadist murderers of children. And damn the politicians who have, in many cases, helped make these murders possible but who are quick, this time and every time, to serve up empty declarations of “solidarity”even as the bodies of innocents are still being counted.

London mayor Sadiq Khan (who recently dismissed terrorist attacks as “part and parcel of living in a big city”): “London stands with Manchester.” Orlando mayor Buddy Dyer (who, in the wake of the Pulse nightclub massacre, proclaimed a CAIR-backed “Muslim Women’s Day”—you know, the kind of event that proclaims hijabs “empowering”): Orlando “stands in solidarity with the people of the UK.” L.A. mayor Eric Garcetti (who went berserk when Trump tried to impose that temporary travel ban from a half-dozen Muslim countries): “Los Angeles stands with the people of Manchester.”

Meaningless words, all of them. But Angela Merkel takes the cake: “People in the UK can rest assured that Germany stands shoulder to shoulder with them.” Well, isn’t that . . . reassuring. In what way do such words help anybody to “rest assured” of anything? In any case, how dare she? This, after all, is the woman who opened the floodgates—the woman who, out of some twisted sense of German historical guilt, put European children in danger by inviting into the continent masses of unvetted people from the very part of the world where this monstrous evil has its roots.

Then there was this from European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker: “Once again, terrorism has sought to instill fear where there should be joy, to sow division where young people and families should be coming together in celebration.” Beneath the innocuous-seeming surface of this statement is a slick rhetorical ruse: Juncker to the contrary, these savages aren’t out to “sow division”—they’re out to kill infidels. By introducing the concept of “division,” Juncker, like so many others, is implying that the important message here is: Hey, whatever you do, don’t let this little episode put any bad thoughts about Islam into your head!

Manchester City Council leader Sir Richard Leese also spoke of “fear” and “division”: “Manchester is a proud, strong city and we will not allow terrorists who seek to sow fear and division to achieve their aims.” Guess what, pal? They did achieve their aims: they killed 22 people, including children, and injured several dozen. Dead infidels: that’s their objective, period. (Or, as you would say, full stop.)

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  • Quislings all, lead by the evil clown. No loving father invites the danger into his home when his children will be at risk. Pope Francis does this again and again and then has the gall to express his “heartfelt solidarity” with those he has helped to put at risk. His words, of course, spoken behind thick walls while he is protected by armed guards. He sows division. He abandons the flock. He needs to be called out.

  • These politicians support murder of unborn children in the womb.

    These politicians support immigration of Islamists who murder born children in music theatres.

    Tell me the difference.

  • Blind guides indeed. Willingly do they cover their eyes.

  • There is not much the Pope can do here other than make pro forma statements. There is something he can refrain from doing, which is suggesting that it is sinful to enforce national border controls or to care for refugees in camps adjacent to zones of conflict (rather than importing them into miliieux where they are sadly incompatible with the extant population). The perpetrator is supposedly a Maghreb Arab born in Britain whose parents were granted ‘refugee’ status at some point. It’s rather puzzling that they were living in Britain rather than Morocco, Tunisia, or Algeria.

    As for the hag-chancellor, the reaction of the political class in Sweden, Germany, and France has been a mix of legal harassment of political dissidents (Brigitte Bardot has been prosecuted 5x) and concealing information. Their contempt for the interests of their domestic working class is so thorough that they’re in the business of wrecking their institutions and civic customs in order to keep injuring that class.

  • Art Deco, as usual, is 100% correct. The reigning elites hold the people in contempt and their self-serving policies abuse and misuse the “little people.”

    Rational people didn’t need more proof. The idiot left (redundant) and the deranged will never admit it. The Manchester massacre (as did 10,000 terror attacks since 2001) proved (for the 7,000th time) that President Donald J. Trump is right.

    Papa Foxtrot, Obama, Hillary, et al are dead wrong. The increasing body counts are proof.

    Civilizations are not murdered. Civilizations commit suicide.

  • They can all stand “shoulder to shoulder” as a man with a dull knife beheads them …and their little children too.

  • “London mayor Sadiq Khan (who recently dismissed terrorist attacks as “part and parcel of living in a big city”)”

    That’s false. He was responding to speculation about an attack in New York City a few months ago, and said:

    “I’m not going to speculate as to who is responsible. I’m not going to speculate as to how the police in New York should react. What I do know is part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job, you’ve got to support the security services, and I think speculating when you don’t have the facts is unwise.”

    Should he have been more willing to speculate about the bombing? Fine. But he wasn’t dismissing terrorism, and repeating someone who said without an explanation is morally questionable.

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  • I’m sorry Pinky. The quote may be incorrect but it is not misleading. Terror attacks and threats thereof in the “great global city” of NYC were few and far between prior to the present rise of jihad. Much of Mayor Khan’s comment makes sense, but then would he really support the incredibly hard steps that would reduce the “incredibly hard job” he cites? Identify radical aliens and deport them, or if not that then at least let no more into the country? Somehow one doubts that he would, and so the use of the quote is not inaccurate.

  • Clickbait hackery will call for internment or mass surveillance or some other dramatic gesture that satisfies the craving to ‘just do something, damnit’, but that would do little to improve security or that, even if it did, would require us to sacrifice the very principles that, in our grander moments, we think define our society, our way of life. Here, as everywhere, there are trade-offs and sometimes these are deeply, necessarily, uncomfortable.

    Instinctively, I think, most people understand this. They appreciate that realism is not the same as fatalism and far less is it any kind of capitulation. Even amidst heartbreak, decency finds a way. We saw that, in the immediacy of the moment, in the thousands of individual acts of instinctive kindness in Manchester last night and this morning. Taken singly these were only small; together they became something mighty.

    That’s not enough but neither is it nothing. We grieve and we mourn and we do not forget. But we do go on.

  • Pope Francis and politicians with attitudes of encouragement of mass immigration and fatuous sympathy and benign “solidarity” with Islamic mass murder bear a portion of the responsibility for these horrific events.

  • TomD wrote, “Terror attacks and threats thereof in the “great global city” of NYC were few and far between prior to the present rise of jihad.”

    But not in the UK. On 15 June 1996, a far more evil and remorseless foe, the IRA exploded a truck bomb in the centre of Manchester, injuring 212 people. Many surrounding buildings had to be demolished and rebuilt.

    Andy Burnham, the Mayor of Manchester is from Warrington where, on 26 February 1993, the IRA exploded one device outside a gas storage facility and two others outside shops in Bridge Street. Two children were killed and 56 people were injured.

    The attacks on London were too numerous to list, but I have personal reasons to recall two, in particular. One was on Thursday 8th March 1973, when the IRA set off a bomb outside the Central Criminal Court in Old Bailey in London. The bomb, about 14 kg or 30 lb of Semtex, was in a car across the street from a public house called the Magpie & Stump. One bar faces the street and the other is behind it, reached from an alleyway called Bishop’s Court. I was in the back bar, when the front of the building was blown in. In the street, one person died and one hundred and forty were injured. The other was on on Saturday 17th December 1983, when the IRA planted another car bomb, similar to the Old Bailey bomb, in Hans Crescent, at the back of Harrods’s, the London department store. I was going there to do some Xmas shopping and had stopped to chat to a friend in Sloan Street. I would have used the Hans Crescent entrance. Six people were killed, including three police officers who had just arrived and were still in their car. One of the dead was an American visitor. Ninety people were injured.

    NYC was a hotbed of Fenian support for the Fenian murderers, seeking to put down the authority and government of the Queen in Northern Ireland. The resolute response of the people of that province, where 3,000 people were killed, was summed up in graffiti everywhere: No Surrender.

  • “NYC was a hotbed of Fenian support for the Fenian murderers, seeking to put down the authority and government of the Queen in Northern Ireland. The resolute response of the people of that province, where 3,000 people were killed, was summed up in graffiti everywhere: No Surrender.”

    I have absolutely no sympathy for the Marxist murderers of the IRA of the contemporary era, but the “No Surrender” slogan long pre-dated the beginning of the contemporary Troubles in Northern Ireland in 1969. It was symbolic of the sectarian hatred that treated Northern Irish Catholics as helots in their own land and made certain that Protestant extremists could grind their faces into the dust in perpetuity. It was this situation that gave the appalling IRA any popular support. Of course, Protestant extremists did their own share of bombings and random murders of innocent Catholic civilians. The irony of course is that fervent Catholics were sparse on the ground in the contemporary IRA just as regular church going attendance was not a hallmark of their murderous Protestant counterparts, faith being reduced to an ethnic marker. The Jihadists are far different in that regard.

  • MP-S: Why did the Irish hate you guys?

    In NYC saloons, men would pass the hat in NYC Irish saloons.

    There is one yuge difference between the UK ruling elites’ reaction to the IRA insurrection and the jihad. It’s racism. It was SOP to deploy SAS assassination teams to kill iRA terrorists. it was common to set up paratrooper (I knew a Brit para that was on the teams) snipers teams to kill curfew breakers. It was ok to set up army check points/machine guns/armored vehicles in Catholic neighborhoods.

    For the jihad it’s “Why do they hate us?” and it is forbidden to talk about jihad.

  • MPS, Mark Steyn just wrote a great rebuttal on comparisons between the two Manchester bombings:

    “A couple of hours ago, as I write, the Arndale shopping center in Manchester was evacuated, somewhat chaotically, with hundreds of customers stampeding for the exits lest they be the cause of The Independent’s next carry-on editorial. The Arndale was the scene of the city’s last big terror attack – in 1996, when the IRA totaled it. Two hundred people were injured, but nobody died, and you don’t have to be a terror apologist like Jeremy Corbyn to find the bad old days of Irish republicanism almost quaint by comparison. A few weeks ago the BBC reported that “approximately 850 people” from the United Kingdom have gone to Syria and Iraq to fight for Isis and the like. That’s more volunteers than the IRA were able to recruit in thirty years of the “Troubles”, when MI5 estimated that they never had more than a hundred active terrorists out in the field. This time maybe it’s the exotic appeal of foreign travel, as opposed to a month holed up in a barn in Newry.”

    See the full article at https://www.steynonline.com/section/14/steyn-on-europe

    Steyn also raises another IRA / Jihad comparison in the same article:

    “Thirty years ago, in the interests of stopping IRA terrorism, the British state was not above preventing the internal movement within its borders of unconvicted, uncharged, unarrested Republican sympathizers seeking to take a ferry from Belfast to Liverpool. Today it declares it can do nothing to prevent the movement of large numbers of the Muslim world from thousands of miles away to the heart of the United Kingdom. It’s just a fact of life – like being blown up when you go to a pop concert.”

  • Donald R McClarey wrote, “[T]he “No Surrender” slogan long pre-dated the beginning of the contemporary Troubles in Northern Ireland.”

    It is very old and may go back to the Siege of Londonderry in 1689. It has long been used by the Apprentice Boys of Derry. It was popularised by Sir Edward Carson to express opposition to the Third Home Rule bill of 1912 and the signing of the Ulster Covenant. Carson’s more than life-size statue stands in front of the Stormont Parliament building in Northern Ireland.

    It was again popularised by the Rev Dr Ian Paisley during the recent Troubles: “No surrender. We will never bend the knee.”

    It is used by Loyalists to express their determination to preserve their civil and religious freedoms.

  • It was symbolic of the sectarian hatred that treated Northern Irish Catholics as helots in their own land and made certain that Protestant extremists could grind their faces into the dust in perpetuity. It was this situation that gave the appalling IRA any popular support.

    This seems rather florid. Catholics in Ulster were a subaltern population treated brusquely by the Royal Ulster Constabulary. Political institutions were a ruin. That having been said, they were not in any state of hereditary servitude.

    Of course, Protestant extremists did their own share of bombings and random murders of innocent Catholic civilians.

    We can check. My recollection is that the UDA / UVF was much less active than the IRA / INLA and that the death toll from Nationalist violence exceeded that from Unionist violence by a factor of about 6.

  • TomD

    There were some 10,000 bomb attacks during the Troubles (1969-1998) The IRA threat was far from trivial.

    As for “Why did the Irish hate you guys?” That raises the question why so many Irish people were willing to endure such suffering and disruption to their lives, rather than contemplate absorption into the Free State. Ask the Irish community here in the West of Scotland, 50,000 of whom will be taking part in marches on 12 July to celebrate the Battle of the Boyne.

  • “We can check.”

    About half the people who died in The Troubles were Catholic:

    http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/tables/Religion.html

  • “This seems rather florid.”

    Substitute fifth class citizen for Helot.

  • “It is used by Loyalists to express their determination to preserve their civil and religious freedoms.”

    All of which they would enjoy if the government of the Republic ruled all of Ireland. What the slogan means is “We have the whip hand over you croppies and we mean to hold on to it.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croppies_Lie_Down

  • Substitute fifth class citizen for Helot.

    What are the other four classes? Maeve Binchey (a writer I do not much care for) participated in a panel discussion hosted by the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions back in 1981. By her own report, she and her circle had a puzzled disgust reaction to the political agitation in the north. For them, a trip to Belfast had been an outing, a place more pleasant in certain respects than Dublin. (To be sure, Binchey was part of the minority in Ireland not on board with the country’s Catholic culture. Conor Cruise O’Brien, a less abrasive and annoying writer than Binchey, was another).

    Do not have much granular knowledge of the period running from 1923 to 1969. What I see referred to concern disputes over parade routes, disputes over political patronage (e.g. council housing and car parks), a wretched electoral system, and discourteous treatment from police officers. Abrasion and unpleasantness is something distinct from oppression. The British government could have repaired the electoral system, at the very least.

    All of which they would enjoy if the Republican government ruled all of Ireland.

    See Conor Cruise O’Brien on this issue. The (pro-forma) assent to the notion of a United Ireland was more prevalent in the Irish Republic after 1969 than among Catholics in Ulster, who always had among them a large minority (about 1/3) who thought the idea unworkable. That remains true today in Ulster, where many Catholics and all but a small minority of Protestants are opposed to incorporation into the Republic. O’Brien put it thus: a United Ireland ‘would enlarge the problem and reverse the roles’. Garret FitzGerald was adamant on a related point: the IRA had no interest in parliamentary institutions and sought a military dictatorship over the whole island.

    According to this site here:

    http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html#statusperpetrator

    About 20% of the death toll was recorded outside Ulster, and of that the Provos were responsible for 82% and three other nationalist militias for 7%. Of the 80% which occurred in Ulster, the four unionist militias plus the Royal Ulster Constabulary accounted for 37% of the death toll.

  • “What are the other four classes?”

    1. Members of the ruling Stormont government.
    2. Protestants who controlled the various loyalist organizations that effectively kept almost all Catholics at the bottom rungs in business and the economy in general.
    3. Protestants who could vote in local elections.
    4. Protestants who could not vote in local elections.
    5. Catholics.

  • “Garret FitzGerald was adamant on a related point: the IRA had no interest in parliamentary institutions and sought a military dictatorship over the whole island.”

    Something they have as much chance of imposing as the moon being made of cheddar. The Republic of Ireland has its flaws, but after the initial chaos of its birth, and the brief Civil War of the twenties, its protection of civil liberties, including of its Protestant minority, has been admirable.

  • 1. Members of the ruling Stormont government. 2. Protestants who controlled the various loyalist organizations that effectively kept almost all Catholics at the bottom rungs in business and the economy in general. 3. Protestants who could vote in local elections. 4. Protestants who could not vote in local elections. 5. Catholics.

    1. By this standard, every country with a government has a ‘second-class citizens’.

    2. I’m not sure how ‘loyalist organizations’ were ‘able to keep Catholics on the bottom rungs of the economic ladder’. The Catholic population was not without human capital nor were Catholic firms unable to trade with each other, with firms in Britain, or with firms in the Irish Free State. I suppose some sort of formal lodge system provides referrals for its members, but that’s not a necessary or sufficient condition for systemic discrimination to emerge. It wouldn’t surprise me to discover that Catholics had a hard time landing civil service positions. At the same time, the civil service is but 15% of the workforce in a typical occidental country.

    (3, 4, 5) Five Irish republicans were seated n the British parliament in 1935 and nationalists held about 20% of the seats in the Stormont parliament. I don’t think suffrage was ever at issue in Ulster. The problem was gerrymandering and first-past-the-post in the context of a fairly conformist political culture among Ulster protestants. (The Unionist Party eventually did break up into several competing successors, which matched the fragmentation in the Catholic vote). There wasn’t any competition in a great many constituencies prior to 1969.

  • “I don’t think suffrage was ever at issue in Ulster.”

    In order to vote in local elections local taxes had to be paid or one could not vote in local elections. An effective mechanism for disenfranchising the predominantly poor Catholics.

    . I’m not sure how ‘loyalist organizations’ were ‘able to keep Catholics on the bottom rungs of the economic ladder’.

    By boycotts, intimidation and making sure that Catholics did not get government employment or contracts. It had more than a passing resemblance to the treatment of blacks in the Jim Crow South.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=2_qADAAAQBAJ&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=boycotts+of+Catholic+business+in+northern+ireland&source=bl&ots=4gnJQ0F5xa&sig=tP-cx_1A4lDgFCUdESG5I6PttRo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX4ZqU-4vUAhVFlVQKHVuqAOIQ6AEILTAC#v=onepage&q=boycotts%20of%20Catholic%20business%20in%20northern%20ireland&f=false

  • Per this site here

    http://www.theirishstory.com/2013/04/08/democracy-in-ireland-a-short-history/

    You had universal suffrage in Northern Ireland, but people who paid taxes on multiple properties had a vote for each property.

    By boycotts, intimidation and making sure that Catholics did not get government employment or contracts. It had more than a passing resemblance to the treatment of blacks in the Jim Crow South.

    In fissured societies (e.g. Quebec) you have segregation of patronage. I’m not sure you need much in the way of organized activity for this to occur.

  • The government was completely behind the effort to shut out Catholics from economic life Art. From Basil Brooke, Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, prior to him becoming Prime Minister, who ruled from 1943-1963:

    “Many in this audience employ Catholics, but I have not one about my place. Catholics are out to destroy Ulster…If we in Ulster allow Roman Catholics to work on our farms we are traitors to Ulster…I would appeal to loyalists, therefore, wherever possible, to employ good Protestant lads and lassies.”

  • Anyone who has visited Belfast in the 1970s, as I have, would have seen that the question of employment for Catholics/Nationalists was physical and moral, rather than political.
    To see the young women on the Falls Road – scrawny, rat-tail hair, skin grey and shiny with anti-depressants, wearing thin nylon cardigans on a raw January morning, dragging grimy, unkempt toddlers, many with their legs bandy with rickets; the lanky, bat-eared youths, with coat-hanger shoulders and the narrow pelvises that come from ante-natal malnutrition; the men, squat and stunted, with short, stumpy legs.
    To say they lived like pigs would be a slur on British farmers. Soldiers who entered the Divis flats in central Belfast took their lives in their hands, not only because it was a hotbed of Republican activists, but because it was the only place in Europe to suffer an outbreak of cholera in the mid-20th century. Also typhus – mortuary attendants described seeing the lice dropping from the cooling corpses.

  • Thus the Nazis tended to portray their Jewish victims MPS. You cannot oppress a people for over a half century, condemn them to live in grinding poverty as a result of pervasive discrimination, and then complain because the victims are not bright and cheery.

  • The government was completely behind the effort to shut out Catholics from economic life Art. From Basil Brooke, Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, prior to him becoming Prime Minister, who ruled from 1943-1963:

    A population of a requisite size (1/3 of the total) cannot be ‘shut out of economic life’. You can make life more difficult for them, but that’s all. Black Americans were not shut out of economic life in 1948 (when, per Thos. Sowell, their unemployment rate was lower than national means) and they could not be shut out of economic life in Ulster. You can shut them out of public employment, of course. I’ve found two sources which suggest that production per capita in Ulster differed only modestly from the Free State (with one being about 60% of the British mean and the other 55%). If that’s true, it’s reasonable to infer that the human capital abroad in the Catholic population on both sides of the border was too ample for Ulster protestants to ruin their economic life outside of the realm of public sector employment. Denied employment with protestant firms, they could start their own firms or migrate to the Free State.

    Should also note that there was and (ceteris paribus) is a great deal more criminal violence in the Deep South than is the case on either side of the border in Ireland.

  • (with one being about 60% of the British mean and the other 55%).

    This refers to the period just after partition.

  • “A population of a requisite size (1/3 of the total) cannot be ‘shut out of economic life’. You can make life more difficult for them, but that’s all.”

    You can keep most of them poor as a result. The policy had some logic behind it, the same logic as the old Irish Penal laws. Make life so difficult that the unwanted Irish Catholics, at least those with brains and drive, will go elsewhere. This has the advantage of keeping the numbers of a despised population down, and shrinking their natural leadership class.

  • You can keep most of them poor as a result.

    Depends on what you man by ‘poor’. If you mean ‘with little in the way of assets of contextual significance’, that’s true of most people any time and any place. Most people’s wealth is in their human capital. Given the modest distinction in income levels between the Free State and Ulster, its difficult to believe there was a grand distinction in household incomes between Catholics and Protestants in Ulster. Some distinction, to be sure. Catholics in Ulster were certainly ‘poor’ in a different sense: real incomes in Ulster in 1926 were a fraction of what they are today. Same is true of any occidental country.

  • “Depends on what you man by ‘poor’.”

    Like a Catholic employment rate more than twice the Protestant unemployment rate in 1988:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/04/world/poverty-fear-and-strife-still-add-up-to-fewer-jobs-for-catholics-in-ulster.html?pagewanted=all&mcubz=0

    It was a news story in 2017 when the Catholic and Protestant employment rates were the same. It was the first time since statistics had been kept that the Catholic employment rate had not been lower than the Protestant employment rate.

  • Northern Ireland has the highest proportion of public sector workers in the UK – 28% or 220,000 people. Of these 55,000 work in the health and Social Care service.

  • Like a Catholic employment rate more than twice the Protestant unemployment rate in 1988:

    You’ve jumped ahead to a point in time more than 60 years after partition. At that time, you’d had the construction of the 2d generation welfare state (heavy on public housing, the command economy in the medical sector, and state-owned enterprise). It has been at that point 16 years since the Stormont assembly had been prorogued and 19 years since the beginning of chronic political violence. One other factor: the British labor market was in wretched shape. You had chronic double digit unemployment from about 1982 onward. Here

    http://www.portlandtrust.org/sites/default/files/pubs/epm_northern_ireland.pdf

    There are some figures on the Ulster labor market. The ratio of Catholic unemployment rates to protestant ones was about 2.3 ca. 1985. It declined to 1.7 by 2001, about a generation after Stormont had been prorogued and when the country was under a power-sharing arrangement.

    It should be noted that labor markets can grow more sclerotic (as they did for black men under 25 between 1960 and 1980) without any increase in inter-communal hostility.

  • “You’ve jumped ahead to a point in time more than 60 years after partition.”

    Yes and the Catholics were still effectively shut out from the profitable parts of the economy. I can think of no other explanation for such a great disparity between Catholic and Protestant in Northern Ireland. That the situation has improved over time is largely because the local Protestant elites have less control over Northern Ireland with the effective loss of Home Rule there, until the carrying out of the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 which has improved conditions for Irish Catholics in Northern Ireland.

  • “Make life so difficult that the unwanted Irish Catholics, at least those with brains and drive, will go elsewhere. This has the advantage of keeping the numbers of a despised population down, and shrinking their natural leadership class”

    I can’t help but wonder if some of the extreme leftist policies being imposed or considered in “blue” U.S. states and cities (higher taxes, onerous regulations, sanctuary city policies, anti-discrimination mandates regarding abortion, transgenderism, etc.) don’t have a somewhat similar aim: to make it clear to the “deplorables” that they aren’t welcome and should either pack up or shut up. Remember what NY Gov. Cuomo said a few years back about social conservatives “having no place” in his state’s party politics? While he may not have literally meant “Social conservatives aren’t welcome to live or work in NY,” I suspect he wouldn’t consider it much of a loss, if any, if they did leave. I suspect the same is also true for cities like Chicago and San Francisco and states like CA and (unfortunately for me) IL. I don’t mean to put it on a par with the systematic persecution/repression suffered by Catholics in Ireland, but I do wonder sometimes if a similar dynamic is going on here.

  • Yes and the Catholics were still effectively shut out from the profitable parts of the economy. I

    You could not and cannot shut them out unless you have legislation of the sort you saw in interwar Hungary – occupational licensing stem to stern with quotas. That simply was not present in Ulster. Also, unemployment can effect someone in any economic stratum, but labor market sclerosis is commonly most severe for young people and for those working low-wage jobs, not handsomely compensated jobs. And, again, you’re forgetting the effects of arbitrage. Overall (in 1926), the Free State was not much less affluent than the North. Catholics in the North facing an uncongenial situation can decamp to Dublin or Galway. (If I’m not mistaken, you continued to have labor migration from the Free State to Britain proper during this period).

  • “You could not and cannot shut them out”

    Sure they could. Easy to keep them out of government employment when the same anti-Catholic party controlled Stormont until Home Rule was taken away. As the 1988 article indicated threats and violence were quite effective keeping Catholics away from private enterprises where they were not wanted. The divergence in employment rates could only be due to discrimination when two such similar populations, absent religion, are involved.

  • Sure they could. Easy to keep them out of government employment when the same anti-Catholic party controlled Stormont until Home Rule was taken away. As the 1988 article indicated threats and violence were quite effective keeping Catholics away from private enterprises where they were not wanted. The divergence in employment rates could only be due to discrimination when two such similar populations, absent religion, are involved.

    Out of government employment, yes. The share of the labor force in public employment varies a great deal over place and time. Public sector employment in the UK currently runs to about 18% of the workforce. Its a reasonable wager it was a great deal lower than that in 1935.

    There’s a distinction between making life more difficult for a class of people and immiserating them. You can attempt to organize a boycott of Catholic publicans. Catholic publicans have 400,000 of their co-religionists to serve and these folk can boycott protestant publicans. You can refuse to hire Catholic machinists. Your Catholic competitor will hire them. Absent targeted harassment of Catholic employers by state inspectorates, licensing requirements, &c., the Catholic population has the critical mass to engage in intramural economic life. The kind of human capital deficits that existed between black and white in the Deep South aren’t present across the confessional boundary (at least not nearly to the same degree). Also, Ulster was the most industrialized part of the island at that time. Dependency relationships you saw in the Deep South – sharecropping, debt peonage, payment in scrip, company stores – are more difficult to establish and maintain.

Just in Time for Easter

Monday, April 10, AD 2017

 

 

 

Like clockwork Copts are slaughtered by Jihadists as we approach Easter.  Dave Griffey at Daffey Thoughts prays for the victims:

 

As I’ve discovered, for some Christians in Islamic countries, Palm Sunday is the main celebration day.  That’s because of generations of regulations aimed at restricting their primary holy day of Easter.  I don’t know if that’s the case with Coptic Christians.  But it’s a reminder that as horrible as this is, it’s not unique, nor is it new.

I had the pleasure of speaking to several Syrian immigrants today.  Apparently they’ve not been able to tell their side of the story because they told it all to me.  Not sure what to do with their accounts, which included request for prayers for churches they attended that are gone, loved ones and friends who died horribly, or simply the ages and ages that their communities have lived under the specter of similar periods of oppression and persecution.

All I can say is that my thoughts and prayers go out to them.  In all due respect to Walt Disney, it’s actually a large world after all.  And nothing they told me today sounded at all like what I hear in our media or from our pols or designated ‘experts.’  I fear someday we Americans are going to be in for a rude awakening.    In the meantime, we can at least pray for and remember those whose celebrations were marred by death, and pray that today, those killed will be with Christ in paradise.

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  • But, but, but… It is a religion of peace! The Pope says so. Nothing to fear. Nothing to see.

    Really, sarcasm is inappropriate and the observations that “Muslim dominated” usually means “despised minority” for Christians, is spot on. It is just hard to take the new found adoration for Islam, by our Church, seriously. I am tired of hearing that Yahweh is just Allah by another name. Jehovah is God, Allah is, at best, a fiction.

    The ahoristicity of the claim that Islam is peaceful is really offensive. Without the sword, Islam would have been a bizarre footnote to history. 400 years of violence expanded the belief, NOT the rightness of its thinking. One might as well say that the Romans embraced the Visigoths… that would be about as right.

    I am sorry for the loss and fearful of the future and I have a hard time taking the claim that Islam is peaceful, seriously.

  • About the “Is Allah the same as God the Father question”
    from the First little letter of St John verse 23
    “No one who denies the Son has the Father; everyone who confesses the Son has the Father also.”

  • Islam is a seventh century heresy that may well have been relegated to the septic tank of history if not for Middle East oil.
    Who wants to move to an Islamic country? What can you do there to enjoy yourself? Those people are miserable and unproductive..

    Christianity in Europe successfully repelled Islam, only to embrace the lunatics of the Reformation and the DisEnlightenment.

  • About the “Is Allah the same as God the Father question”
    from the First little letter of St John verse 23
    “No one who denies the Son has the Father; everyone who confesses the Son has the Father also.”
    Allah has no son to love and no son to love him. Muslims are not the adopted children of Allah. Only the Blessed Trinity is a family of LOVE.

  • Thank you, Anzlyne. Islam is an evil, pagan cult. The Pope and much of the hierarchy are culpable for the lies they tell about it. Nothing will change until we speak the truth. The future does not belong to those fail to tell the truth about Islam.

Priest Beheaded in France

Tuesday, July 26, AD 2016

je suis charles martle

 

Past time for a crusade:

 

An 86-year-old priest has been ‘beheaded’ by two ‘ISIS’ knifemen who cut his throat after bursting into a French church and taking nuns and worshippers hostage before being shot dead by police.

Five people including the priest, two nuns and two parishioners were held by assailants who raided the church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray near Rouen in Normandy at 9am.

The clergyman, named as Jacques Hamel, is believed to have been beheaded during the attack while another hostage is ‘hovering between life and death’ in hospital.

The two attackers have been ‘neutralised’ by elite marksmen in a dramatic police operation while the building is being searched for possible explosives. French president Francois Hollande said the men claimed to be from’ ISIS. 

There were reports the attackers shouted ‘Daesh’ – an alternative name for ISIS often used by the French government – as they ran into the church. At least one of the men was dressed in Islamic clothing, according to French media reports, and an anti-terrorist unit has already taken up the investigation.

It comes as it emerged that the place of worship was one of a number of Catholic churches on a terrorist ‘hit list’ found on a suspected ISIS extremist last April.

Go here to read the rest.  In response to this latest act of naked barbarity, the Pope, once again, has denounced the violence as “absurd” and  Archbishop Lebrun of Rouen had the following statement:

“I cry out to God, with all men of good will. And I invite all non-believers to unite with this cry … The Catholic Church has no other arms besides prayer and fraternity between men.”

 

 

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  • March 28,2016 to hundreds of children at the Vatican, Pope Francis says and has them repeat, ” Immigrants are not a danger…immigrants are in danger.”
    I like Francis’ heart and have contempt for his mind….and I would leave no child alone with him for any teaching experience except the tango…maybe…..he might screw that up too.

  • O/T: In the upper right of the page, there’s a box “Follow The American Catholic” with links to your Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, etc. pages. When I click on the Twitter icon, it does not go to your Twitter page. At least not that I can see. When I click on the Twitter icon, it goes to a Twitter feed called @TheAmrcnCthlc (which seems to be a solar panel company).

    How do I get to your real Twitter page?

  • Bukhari:Vol.4/Book52/No.256 “The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was permissible to attack infidels at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, ‘Their women and children are from them.’”

    Meaning…you need not worry about them. Bukhari is not just hadith. He is canonical hadith meaning inerrant as is the Koran. From the passage you can see how the Nice truck driver could kill all in his path but one report said many victims were muslims. ISIS though regards even the Muslim Brotherhood as infidels. It takes little stretching of the above hadith….to get to bombing the innocent in cafes.

  • I’m not sure that their objective is to destabilize the West. It may be that they’re killing people because their objective is to kill people. “Terrorism” may not be the right word any more.

  • “The Catholic Church has no other arms besides prayer and fraternity between men.”

    Your Grace, St. Louis and St. Joan of Arc would disagree with you on that.

  • Two thoughts – Catholics are not Quakers. God helps those who help themselves.

  • Sickening atrocity! This has to end and we have got to step up and do whatever we have to do!

  • The cardinal will now be complicit in the deaths of other French citizens by muslims.

  • Years ago Mark Shea in a debate with me on probably the death penalty….called my exampled hero…Jehu…the most blood thirsty man in the Bible. The last three Popes would have sided with Shea because Jehu slaughtered the house of Ahab (because God ordered him to). And Jehu ordered the two eunuchs to throw Jezebel from the balcony after which he trampled her with a chariot…. and dogs ate her carcass. Shea and three Popes would frown on the passages without knowing the ending….actually reading the OT made all four of them hurl. God appeared to Jehu afterwards and said this in 2 Kings 10:30 New American Bible
    30 ” The Lord said to Jehu: Because you have done well what is right in my eyes, and have done to the house of Ahab all that was in my heart, your sons to the fourth generation shall sit upon the throne of Israel.”

  • If the Pope was at the Gates of Vienna all this would be mute for there would be nothing to defend. It is apparent the the Pope is not interested in defending the Faith and the faithful as well. This will not end well.

  • No….the debate was on lying and Jehu used a lie to ambush the idolaters and Aquinas ( and Shea) said the lie was a sin and St. Jerome said (with me) that the lie was not a sin. Aquinas ignored God’s actual words…YOU HAVE DONE WELL….not “don’t lie next time”. War allows ambushes e.g. which are a type of lying in actions.

  • There were reports the attackers shouted ‘Daesh’ – an alternative name for ISIS often used by the French government – as they ran into the church.

    If they were actually yelling Daesh, they’re recruits, not members sent in from the main group; the reason that I and the Iraqi Kurds use Daesh is because the blood thirsty unspeakables will kill you if you call them that.

  • And here I thought I was being silly last week when I gamed out the routes of attack for our crying room and the area I walk when the kid’s too enthusiastic even for that.

  • “Absurd.”-pf

    Those silly Islamist.
    Ya just can’t seem to understand their wacky behavior huh Pope?
    Let’s not become islamophobes….not until the caliphate has seized the Vatican…then the parable of the good Samaritan might be saved for another time.

    I’m praying for the victims and our Church.

  • Is Shea now calling for knife control? He should if he wants to be consistent and in line with the Pope and Archbishop Lebrun. There is also precedent for such calls:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

  • “… The Catholic Church has no other arms besides prayer and fraternity between men.”

    The Church used to be more muscular.

  • Bill Bannon’s early comment included, ” Immigrants are not a danger…immigrants are in danger.”
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    My uncle Tom (RIP) was a tanker with Patton in North Africa and Sicily. Then, he went ashore at Salerno and was still fighting in the Po Valley when it ended. He got into Rome and was in St. Peter’s Square for a Papal audience. I bet Pope Pius XII didn’t tell them “Nazis are not a danger…Nazis are in danger.”
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    Peace and justice file: Uncontrolled/unlimited immigration and “refugeeism” could destroy the ruling class. Look on the bright side . . .

  • Pelayo, Queen Isabel the Catholic Servant of God, Don Juan of Austria, Charles Martel (the Hammer), King San Fernando, John Sobieski…….they would spit on the feet of pacifists.

  • The uk Telegraph says both attackers were killed by police which is good because Pope Francis is against life sentences and he might have stuck his nose in the matter some months hence to get attention for the Church and from the Nobel jury.. The attackers are obviously picking out beautiful dark eyed houri right now as they enter paradise for killing an unarmed man in his 80’s….Koran 52:20…. “and we shall wed them to Houri with dark lovely eyes.”
    Or not….they could be in hell right now and they could meet Muhammed there and try to kick his ass for ruining their lives. Or we could find that they repented as they died and God graced them like Saul/Paul another killa….and are doing the painful severe purgatory period but hopeful one. There could have been a Carthusian praying for all terrorists. But….they still might be in hell right now because God is still the only One who decides and knows for sure.

  • The murderer, in the first degree, is brought to Justice by his own citizenship in the state, It is the murderer whose Justice and citizenship is used in power of attorney who executes the condemned murderer in the first degree.
    Aiding, abetting and giving comfort to the enemy in time of war is treason. Our Lady promised a third world war of unimaginable proportions.

  • Bill Bannon: What are the attackers going to use in heaven with their 77 virgins unless they have a human body? True human sexuality gives life. Besides, addiction to lust and sodomy is boring, Can anyone imagine having sex without love for eternity…boring.

  • Mary De Voe,
    Check in more often. We worry when you vanish for weeks. The hadiths…the sunna…the traditions….say that each muslim man will have a tent so big that his wife in one corner will not know about houri in the other corner. That is one big tent. Seriously I believe its the sufi and liberal muslims who take the houri as metaphors….but all militants and traditionalists take the houri as literal. ISIS people never experience love in sex….that’s why they enslave Yazedi women and others.

  • Read the Koran. Read history. Read about the religion from Mohammed to now. It teaches and has done what this thug did !!

  • @Mary DeVoe.

    I agree with bill b.
    Your missed.

    Love is everything gratifying if Love is void of Love, agape love. So yes to the assertion that ISIS is unaware of true love since True Love is sacrificial and not selfish. Ottoman empire revisited, less Turkey, more Islam. This battle will be won by Our Lady of the Holy Rosary and of Victory. We must, Must have a solid prayer life first, then action. Contemplation first, Sanctification of self second and thirdly complete indwelling of the Holy Spirit. To be overshadowed by the Holy Spirit is surrender of self to complete abandonment. Once attained doesn’t mean always attained, but by continuous acts of mortification and acceptance of graces bestowed one can truly be ready for anything and everything.

    These are the times which YOU have been called to service.

    Stay close to God in His Sacraments, Adoration and Our Lady’s Rosary.
    Scapula is ownership rights. If you are enrolled in the Brown Scapula, you are our Lady’s property. Servitude is Love.

  • Silence begets prayer.
    Prayer begets Faith.
    Faith begets Love.
    Love begets Service.
    Service begets Peace.
    -Blessed Mother Theresa of Calcutta.

    Peace be to you.

  • @Philip “you are our Lady’s property. Servitude is Love.” Our Lady’s will is in perfect conformity to God’s will in time and in eternity. It is a privilege. God has a patent and copyright on persons which God uses to set us free. Do not worry. Pray or me. I will come as often as possible. I miss you greatly, too.

  • I’m praying for you now.
    Peace my beloved sister from another mister.
    ?

  • I found his use of the adjective ‘absurd’- well, absurd.
    If ever there were anything as clear, obvious, purposeful and even logical as what those two jihadis did to the priest and others, PF missed it and misinterpreted it. This is wha jihadis do. Nothing absurd about it. Oh- was he suffering from air-sickness again? Maybe he should just stay home.

  • Christine,
    Pope Francis on the plane said all religions are peaceful but here is Muhammed himself in chapter 8 of the Koran speaking of attacking infidels at Mecca from Medina and cutting off their heads:

    Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

    I think Pope Francis never read more than four minutes of the Koran if that. I suspect he read a synopsis by a liberal muslim who actually never mentions the violent passages.

  • One rosary for you Philip and Bill.

  • Isaiah 52:7 is my prayer to you Mary DeVoe.
    Oh how beautful upon the mountains are the feet of him/her who brings good tidings….

    Please seek this out, for you bring all of us the truth, for “your God is ruling.”

  • Isaiah 50:8-9 “My vindicator is here at hand. (TRUTH and JUSTICE) Does anyone start proceedings against me? Then let us go to court together. (HABEAS CORPUS) Who thinks he has a case against me? (NO TRIAL IN ABSENTIA; TRIAL BY JURY) Let him approach me. (TO BE FACED BY ONE’S ACCUSER; THE FIFTH AMENDMENT)
    The Lord Yahweh is coming to my help, who dare condemn me? (THE SOVEREIGN PERSON’S CIVIL RIGHT TO EQUAL JUSTICE) They shall all go to pieces like a garment devoured by moths.”(PERJURERS IN THE FABRIC OF SOCIETY, THE CLOTH OF SOCIAL ORDER)
    We need God to be God, (PERFECT JUSTICE and THE WHOLE TRUTH)
    It is the Glorious Mysteries for you, Philip and the Joyful Mysteries for Bill Bannon

Terror Strikes Bastille Day

Thursday, July 14, AD 2016

 

 

At least 30 dead in Nice, France as Islamic terrorists continue their war against all who are not them:

 

A spokesman for the Alpes Maritime prefecture advised locals to ‘stay indoors’ as gunfire was heard, and a lorry was driven into a crowd on the Promenade des Anglais, Peter Allen reports.

Bodies could be seen lying on the floor by the beach, as the police and other emergency services tried to deal with a mass panic. 

Fireworks were filling the night sky as the drama unfolded, as the crowds enjoyed July 14th, which is always a Bank Holiday in France.  

“It is absolute chaos,” said an eye witness who works in the Nice judiciary.

“There are reports of dozens of people killed, and many more injured. Bodies are lying everywhere.

“Police are flooding the streets, including anti-terrorism officers.  Nobody knows what to do, except to hide away. Gunmen are meant to be targeting hotels.” 

The lorry was seen mounting the pavement and piling into anyone the driver could see, ramming over those who tried to run away.

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  • Here is a video far more graphic only for those who need to feel the reality of maiming….which may be no one…

    https://pamelageller.com/2016/07/graphic-raw-footage-of-nice-terror-attack-up-to-50-dead.html/

    The UN and the Hague need to make the violence believing sectors of Islam unlawful under international law and related mosques worldwide should be shut…as an initial step. All countries should deport any muslims linked to such schools of thought to the Mideast. They are a cancer on the world.

  • The symbolism of the date of the attack will be lost on no one. It is the bloody protest of superstition and ignorance against the triumph of liberty and enlightenment (the two are inseparable)

  • Actually the triumph of the French Revolution was the triumph of totalitarianism ending in military dictatorship. As for its “enlightenment” what was good in it was not original, and what was original in it wasn’t good.

  • Here’s the problem. Millions of Muslims are at war. Dem and GOP oligarchs are fanning Black Lives Matter riots. And, America is playing Pokémon-Go.
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    The warden and I went to the 9/11 Memorial on Tuesday evening – free pass, senior. It was okay. I saw pictures of people I had worked with, and Rick Rescorla – whose story everyone should know. It brought back memories. One disappointment: it omits memorializing hundreds of people who jumped rather than be burned to death. Give me ten minutes with the duds that decided to dilute/whitewash the horror.
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    Political correctness kills.

  • Have you ever noticed that these days the really horrific violence seems to be coming from one of three places?
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    (a) Muslim fanatics jazzed up on testosterone and demonism
    (b) Black gangsters incited into racism by the President, murdering other blacks, white people and police
    (c) White liberal progressive Democrats shooting children in schools and murdering children in the womb.
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    You gotta know who your enemies are. They are NOT:
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    (a) The Muslim engineers and scientists who just want a job and work beside you day in and day out
    (b) Your black neighbors and friends and co-workers who are as appalled at this wickedness as you are.
    (c) Your typical liberal who just wants social justice for all but is deceived into thinking that comes from Caesar Augustus
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    They are not the enemy. The enemy is Satan who is inspiring all of this. It is a diabolical conspiracy. Satan knows his tiime grows short. Just before Mother Mary crushes his head with Her heel, he squirms and wiggles tyring his best to do the most damage.

  • Newt Ginrich echoing moi….in today’s ny times:
    “Western civilization is in a war,” Mr. Gingrich said. “We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in sharia, they should be deported.”
    He added, “Modern Muslims who have given up Sharia, glad to have them as citizens.”

  • Just to T. Shaw–Warden???? Would you be referring to your Sweet Bride??? Had to grin at that and think you and my husband either came from the same place or know one another, he refers to me as the warden.

  • I agree with your above comment regarding Bastille Day. It was not good. It was very bad. It was a mortal blow to the Catholc Faith in France; the triumph of atheism and irrationality over Christianityand Thomist Truth. It involved the heavy persecution of Catholics and the murder of the Aristocracy that sprang from Catholic based, Constantinian, Monarchical government. The closest thing to heaven we will ever see on earth was destroyed in the guillotines of Bastille.

    That being said. I pray for France. I pray for those murdered by our enemy the Muslims. Their deaths I feel personally. I am enraged on their behalf.

    Newt Gingrich said it best, in response. Shariah is the problem. Shariah must be rooted out from within our midst. We must identify those who swear fealty to Shariah and ruthlessly deport them out of our midst, as an act of mercy to the innocent lives such Muslims threaten by their mere presence.

    I will vote for Trump if he picks Newt as his running mate. That simple. Trump/Gingrich is a fantastic ticket for a neverteumper like me. Newt yes. Pence, no. It’s time to man up. They are here. The attacks have begun.

  • LQC, the (a)in your list is just as much a threat as an open jihadist. Big companies like Caterpillar are bringing in foreign workers under the J1b program to replace natural born citizens, because they can pay them lower wages or salaries than an American citizen. And to add insult to injury, the American worker is forced to train his replacement under threat of sometimes losing his severance pay! Also, LQC, Muslims are allowed to deceive the infidel about Islam and their real feelings about Non-Muslims. They can even indulge in Non-Islamic behaviors, like drinking alcohol, to further the deception of the infidels.

  • Stephen, I agree with you in this sense: if only 1% of the M&Ms in a jar containing 400 are poisonous, then 4 M&Ms are poisonous. Will you reach your hand in to get a handful to eat? Probably not.
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    But people are not M&Ms and whether we agree with their religion or not, we have to treat each person with the dignity that befits someone made in imagine et simulacro Dei.
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    Furthermore, I have worked with Muslims most of my adult life after I got out of the US Submarine Service. I even had a department manager who was Shiite Muslim, read his Quoran daily, and prayed 5 time per day as prescribed. He was a good man. He always treated me decently and all his other staff as well, and some day I hope I can work for him again.
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    Another man with whom I worked was a Sunni Muslim who always used those prayer beads to pray. He once observed me going out for my lunch time walk praying the Rosary, so he struck up conversation about the use of prayer beads to concentrate the mind on one’s prayers, and that gave me a chance to evangelize. I do not know what became of the seed that I planted, but that’s not my business. It’s God’s.
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    So yes, I am leary of Muslims. I have seen some homes physically wrecked by Muslim husbands who didn’t give a damn about their wives and kids. But that’s not all Muslims, and certainly not the ones with whom I have worked.
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    PS, as for righteous Muslims, I point to King Abdullah II and Queen Rania of Jordan for whom I have a deep and abiding respect. And as for terrorists whether Muslim, black gangster or white liberal Democrat wacko, I recommend availing ourselves of our 2nd Amendment right.

  • Brian wrote, “the Aristocracy that sprang from Catholic based, Constantinian, Monarchical government.”
    The aristocracy represented the Frankish, Teutonic element that came in with the barbarian invasions of the 5th century. The Catholic historian, Lord Acton got it right: “The hatred of royalty was less than the hatred of aristocracy; privileges were more detested than tyranny; and the king perished because of the origin of his authority rather than because of its abuse. Monarchy unconnected with aristocracy became popular in France, even when most uncontrolled; whilst the attempt to reconstitute the throne, and to limit and fence it with its peers, broke down, because the old Teutonic elements on which it relied – hereditary nobility, primogeniture, and privilege — were no longer tolerated. The substance of the ideas of 1789 is not the limitation of the sovereign power, but the abrogation of intermediate powers.”
    As for the original Gallo-Roman element, as Acton notes, “The Cæsarean system gave an unprecedented freedom to the dependencies, and raised them to a civil equality which put an end to the dominion of race over race and of class over class. The monarchy was hailed as a refuge from the pride and cupidity of the Roman people; and the love of equality, the hatred of nobility, and the tolerance of despotism implanted by Rome became, at least in Gaul, the chief feature of the national character”

  • Just me: Her being referred to as the “warden” should tell you more about me than about her.

  • “(c) Your typical liberal who just wants social justice for all but is deceived into thinking that comes from Caesar Augustus”

    The support of the typical liberal is empowering big govt & people like Obama to cause the damage that is now taking place. They are part of the enemy apparatus–there is no way around it.

  • Seen at Instapundit. “A bomb levels the trappings of civilization. Islam and its liberal allies (Marxism) deconstruct(s) civilization itself.”
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    If you have eyes, you can see it.

  • “PS, as for righteous Muslims, I point to King Abdullah II and Queen Rania of Jordan for whom I have a deep and abiding respect. And as for terrorists whether Muslim, black gangster or white liberal Democrat wacko, I recommend availing ourselves of our 2nd Amendment right.”

    The only means man has of having “righteousness” is through imputation of the righteousness of Jesus Christ as a result of His death, burial, resurrection, & Ascension. Muslims would not have received that righteousness as they have no relationship with God the Son. Maybe we could call them “honorable” Muslims.

Radical Islam and Obama

Wednesday, June 15, AD 2016

Yesterday President Obama went on a tirade about criticism for his unwillingness to use the term “radical Islam”.  Striking his usual petty snotty brat pose whenever he responds to virtually any criticism, Obama wondered what good it does to use the term “radical Islam”.  It recognizes reality, you churlish dolt, something that your administration has manifestly attempted to ignore throughout your term in office in regard to the Jihadist threat.  Obama’s strategy, if one can dignify an abdication of responsibility with that term, has been to hope that Islamic terrorism would simply go away.  As in so many areas, the administration’s policies came down to wishful thinking surrounded by lies.  That is why the Obama administration described Major Nidal Hassan’s murderous jihad rampage on Novemeber 5, 2009 as “workplace violence”.  Go here to read about it.  That is why the Obama administration in 2012 attempted to blame the Benghazi attack on an anti-Islamic film, and left our men in Benghazi without military support, then lied about it to the families of the two heroes who were slain as a result.  The attack spoiled the Obama re-election theme that the War on Terror had been won and was a thing of the past.

 

A prime duty of any President is to defend the American people from all enemies foreign and domestic, and in regard to that duty, Obama has been, at best, missing in action.  Colonel Austin Bay at Strategy Page puts it well:

 

 

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the June 12 early-morning terror attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida. Terrorist Omar Mateen murdered at least 49 people and wounded 53. He held hostages for three hours, until a police SWAT team killed him.

Mainstream media have focused on Orlando’s proximity to Disneyland. A war is on, you idiots. Look toward nearby Tampa and MacDill Air Force Base, U.S. Central Command headquarters. U.S. CENTCOM is currently supporting anti-ISIS coalition forces in Iraq that are engaged in combat operations against the Islamic State. Welcome to Battlefield America.

The Orlando attack adds to the deadly list of Islamist militant terror attacks committed since 2009 on targets in U.S. territory. 2009 was the year President Barack Obama dispensed with the Global War on Terror and began describing U.S. counter-terror operations as an Overseas Contingency Operation. He was strategically stupid, but that was the political narrative he simply had to sell. Remember Bush Lied, People Died?

Well, Obama lied and Americans continue to die. At least the president didn’t call this slaughter “work place violence” or some other feckless politically correct euphemism. Though he called Orlando “an act of terror and an act of hate” he still can’t bring himself to name Islamist militant terrorism as the source, much less the cause of the attack. Instead, he insisted we have “no definitive assessment on the motivation” for Orlando’s massacre.

ISIS media arm AMAQ disagreed: “The armed attack that targeted a gay night club in the city of Orlando…which left over 100 people dead or injured was carried out by an Islamic State fighter.” On June 13, an ISIS radio outlet called Mateen “one of the soldiers of the caliphate in America.” ISIS regards Mateen’s nightclub slaughter as an act of war — war as waged by the Islamic State. Remember, Islamic State thugs rape Yazidi women, execute Iraqi soldiers, behead Libyan Christians and burn Jordanian pilots alive.

Moreover, Mateen confirmed he fought for ISIS. Before attacking, he called Orlando’s 911 services and pledged allegiance to the Islamic State and its leader, Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. He also mentioned the Boston Marathon bombers.

It takes narrow, politically blinded minds to believe Mateen perpetrated the Orlando slaughter because he’s suffered micro-aggressions dealt by Islamophobes or the U.S. Constitution gives American citizens the right to bear arms.

Mateen waged war on America. The Caliph was his commander. He was a traitor — use that word. An Orlando nightclub — down the road from CENTCOM headquarters — was his battleground. His premeditated massacre was another Islamist militant terrorist operation against America conducted with the same war aims as the 2013 Boston terror bombing.

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  • To just call it what it is, Islam, would be to recognize reality, but for him to say “Radical Islam” would be a step in the right direction.

  • Even if Obama is right in some way, he would still be defending our values at the expense of our lives. He is facilitating the changeling we call constitutional law into a suicide cult.

  • Calling it radical Islam does not reflect reality, it distorts it. Calling it Islam, Pure Islam, or undiluted Islam – now you’d be getting somewhere.

  • I say again, if words don’t matter to him, why is he so insistent on calling ISIS ISIL?

  • I prefer ISIL over ISIS. ISIS covers Iraq and Syria, ISIL covers them plus Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, and part of Turkey. Of course IS covers everything, but can be confused with on of Bill Clinton’s favorite words.
    I know of apologists for Islam who refuse to use any of them, since “The Islamic State is really not Islamic” in their fantasy world. These people prefer the acronym Daesh. I suppose we should be happy Obama doesn’t use Daesh.

  • Everything Obama said since early 2008 was a lie. That is everything, all the time. Once you realize this, it all makes sense.

  • The”L” covers Israel.

  • Love this video: what’s with his eyes? The downcast, upside-down smile, the tremblingly pursed lips.

    I have absolutely become convinced now more than ever that this man is a psychotic narcissistic ego-maniac, and someone as “asymmetric” an opponent as Trump has completely has unmasked him and unglued his fragile façade.

  • Obumbler is an Islamist sympathizer, which is cool with the Left. How many Leftists are condemning Islam for the gay club mass murder?

    Bishop Lynch, who has sewer sludge for brains, blamed Christianity. Bergoglio blamed arms merchants.

    Stupidity rules the world.

  • Excellent words Donald: “Striking his usual petty snotty brat pose (the) churlish dolt” and closet Muslim and lying bastard did nothing to allay our fears but only made them worse.
    With Hillary in the wings to take over all we can do is pray and perhaps be packing something.

  • Baby Puppies; Radical Islam; Liar Obama. It is very profitable, like Patton reading Rommel’s book before Patton took on Rommel in North Africa, to read Ibn Khaldun’s The Muqaddimah, An Introduction to History, written by an exceptional Mohammedan scholar and statesman in the Middle Ages. Read all of it. For example: “In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. Therefore, Caliphate and royal authority are united in Islam . . . there were dissensions among the Christians . . .They split into groups and sects . . .We do not think we should blacken the pages of this book with discussion of their dogmas of unbelief. This is clearly stated in the noble Qur’an. To discuss or argue those things with them is nor for us. It is (for them to choose between) conversion to Islam,payment of the poll tax, or death.” I do not see polite discussion or shared dialogue with the alleged majority of peaceful Mohammedans in that list of choices for Christians. Couple what Ibn Khaldun says with the Mohammedan doctrine of permissible dishonesty with infidels – -“Al-taqiyya” – to achieve world domination, the “universalism,” and it is clear that Obama is a fool, a closet jihadi, or a pawn. What is also clear is that statist totalitarians like Hillarydemon really think they can use Mohammedans as their useful idiots to quash Christianity here, and then dispose of them later. History will let us know if the present “more equal pigs” here are right, or if the USSA will be taken over demographically as Europe has been. Guy McClung, San Antonio TX

A Problem of Definition

Sunday, December 6, AD 2015

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Father James V. Schall nails it as to why our fight against the Jihadists lacks effectiveness:

The so-called “Muslim terrorists”, then, do not think of themselves as “Muslim terrorists”. They consider themselves to be the only real followers of Mohammed. They see themselves as doing exactly what he and his first followers did in the saga of a rapid conquest of much of the African, Arab, and Middle Eastern worlds. The conquest of Europe would complete the stymied efforts at Tours and Vienna, victories that allowed Europe to remain Europe and not become Muslim much sooner. Moreover, jihadists have a perfectly intelligible explanation for what they are doing and how they are doing it. It is a sophisticated intellectual theory deftly designed to explain exactly why these “terrorist” acts are both legitimate and indeed praiseworthy in the eyes of Allah. The voluntarist metaphysics behind such reasoning is by no meant unfamiliar to western thinkers. And it is this intellectual battle that we are unwilling to or unable to fight.

Briefly, the assigned mission of Islam is to conquer the world for Allah. Submission to Allah is the highest human good. Any means to carry it out is good if it is successful. Carrying out this mission, in this view, is a Muslim’s vocation. With the re-establishment of the caliphate, this mission can now recommence. No other religion or its symbols, including ones more ancient than Islam, are allowed within its conquered territories. The fact that many individual Muslims may not agree with this interpretation is irrelevant. There are millions that do agree. But numbers are not the key factor.  

Fear rules both the Muslim and western cultures that oppose the jihadists or are its victims. This fear is kept alive by methods of warfare, shrewdly applied, that utilize modern technology but rely on old and reliable techniques. Muslims fighters learned some time ago that modern weapons are not particularly effective against them. Slitting the throats of ten Christians on international TV is more effective than weapons of mass destruction, which they would also like to possess. We see that trucks and cars are often feared means of their warfare.

Thus, tanks and bombs are not particularly effective against individual and seemingly random attacks on enemy homelands. With local passports and cell phones, small arms, home-made bombs, and knives, any large western city can be brought to its knees for several days. It is something of a joke now to think that such things as the Transportation Safety mechanisms we have in airports make much difference. The downing of a Russian passenger plane may still happen, but attacking schools, buses, trains, churches, or just random individuals anywhere in the world will instantly be on international news with the usual disclaimers. Bringing down passenger planes may be an obsolete means in terms of effectiveness.

As long as we choose (and it is a choice) not to identify the problem the more it is successful and the more it will grow. That growth may indeed be the reason it is not identified. The deeper problem lies in the truth of Islam’s mission to conquer the world for Allah. If it is true, that is, if the Qur’an is a revelation of God, then it will eventually win. Even if it is not true or from God, as I do not think that it is, even in Christian apocalyptic terms, it may well win. If our view of the world is cast in terms of relativism, of diversity theory, of pacifism, we really have no clue about that is happening. One cannot but admire the logic and abiding persistence within Islam to continue its centuries-long, Allah-given mission to conquer the world.

One can speculate about why we cannot locate the problem, and therefore not face its real attraction for its millions of followers within Islam. In no actual Muslim country is there any real freedom of religion. Whenever and wherever possible, all or part of Muslim law is established as civil law. Many Muslim countries are “peaceful” only in the sense that their governments, usually military dictatorships, keep down that radicalism that would overthrow them and is overthrowing them in many places. Muslim masses wait to see who is winning. They know even within Islam that they cannot afford to be on the losing side.

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  • Truth . Sooner or later, probably later, Americans will learn and act.

    FYI – the liars (Obama, Obama-worshiping imbeciles, the media, academia) are the larger threat. They defend the massacres both by making excuses for the terrorists and by attacking Americans, Christians, the GOP, white men, the NRA. The liars are enemies of America and our way of life and are natural allies with exceptionalist, hegemonic Islam.

  • This is going to be an exceedingly bloody conflict and our current leadership, embracing too many delusional beliefs, has no stomach for it.

    It took about 13 years for the Italian government to stamp out the Red Brigades. The military and police in Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina took less than five to put away their domestic terrorists once they got down to business. I think these scenarios are a more likely wager than the 30 years prior to Westphalia.

    Keep in mind that the ambo of ISIS is a subregion with about 10 million people in it. Various hostile Libyan militias operate in an area with a population of about 3 million. Boko Haram stages operations over a much larger field but is for the most part confined to Borno state (population 4 million). As ugly as this all is, there are certain boundaries they do not have the manpower to cross.

    Obama is hopeless, as is Merkel. How the rest of the political class reacts remains to be seen.

  • The Marxists had no staying power Art. Islam over the past fourteen centuries has amply demonstrated huge staying power. I hope your forecast is correct Art, but I think the Jihadists will have ample reinforcements from among ordinary Muslims who have such conversions as motivated the male San Bernardino Jihadist.

  • The need to appear tolerant, and thus be seen as a “good” person before one’s peers, is perhaps the most powerful psychological factor in our culture. It is reinforced by a strong shaming apparatus that has been built into the culture over the past several decades. The risk of being killed is real, but remote. It’s something that happens to other people, so it is easy to pretend Muslims pose no threat. If some do happen to kill some people, the entire culture mobilizes, from the President to your Facebook friends to relieve cognitive dissonance. If there were ever actual backlash that the shaming apparatus could not contain, the government would step in with civil and criminal penalties for “hate.”

    The Bear does not see any scenario in which our current culture effectively confronts Islam. He is afraid there is going to have to be a sea change we can hardly imagine.

    The good news is that the attacks in France and the U.S. demonstrate that Americans are not Frenchmen. Many Americans are keeping their mouths shut, but are seething inside. Concealed carried laws have the potential of shifting the front line against terrorism to the individual armed citizens.

  • The need to appear tolerant, and thus be seen as a “good” person before one’s peers, is perhaps the most powerful psychological factor in our culture.

    Only in very select subcultures. One curio of our times is the spread of notions which were modal a generation ago on college faculties and in newsrooms to the point that they appear to be the default setting of corporate elites and lawyers.

  • Again, Islam is a de facto ally of the more dangerous enemies of America, God and man. It’s why Obama and his deceitful, imbecilic worshipers white wash Islamic terror and use such “Reichstag” moments to assault Americans and the uses they make of their liberties.
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    If Dante were writing today, he would place in Hell Obama immediately next to Muhammad among the damned “sowers of discord.”

  • I fully believe that within my lifetime, I will witness an attack on Vatican City (though whether it will kill the pope at the time is up in the air).

    The aftermath might be what finally splits the Catholic church again between those ready to fight and those unwilling. Even as Protestants (and Orthodox?) end up showing themselves far more ready to lift up arms to fight in the Crusades 2, it might even be the next great Catholic scandal. It will certainly probably end up driving the final split between the two secular and religion cultures in the West.

    Then again maybe I’m wrong. But I’ve noticed in life that God will usually see that you are baptized. It may be by water, it may be by fire, but it will be done. We’ve tossed away the water, making it easier for everything to burn.

  • To wit, Instapundit quotes, John Hayward: “‘Lefty Hatred Unleashed By San Bernardino Jihad’. Liberals told themselves Pam Geller had it coming, too. They pumped out halfwit ‘think pieces’ about how the murder of someone who alienated an officially-designated Oppressed Victim Group like Muslims would be, perhaps, a bit unfortunate, but also understandable. It was a major bit of signaling in the Left’s tactical alliance with radical Islam, a way of letting them know American liberals were fully on board with their quest to restrict the free-speech rights of U.S. citizens.”
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    If Ms. Geller had appeared in California she’d be dead. She went to Texas and two jihadis died

    Paraphrasing Pogo,1967, “We have met the enemy and he is the left.”

  • “Even as Protestants (and Orthodox?) end up showing themselves far more ready to lift up arms”

    I don’t know about the Orthodox, but most mainline Protestant denominations are more infected with neo-pacifism than the Catholic Church.

  • Both Islam and liberal progressivism must be defeated and eradicated. The first beheads Christians and Jews. The second dismembers unborn babies and sells their internal organs to the highest bidder. Both are intrinsically, unalterably, irrevocably evil.

  • most mainline Protestant denominations are more infected with neo-pacifism than the Catholic Church

    You should head south a bit more, Don, there’s more protestants out there than the ones the media designate “mainline” (which I notice tend to be those just a block from the newspaper’s offices)

  • True, which is why I used the modifier “mainline”. In this context the term goes back to the 1920’s and battles between Protestant “modernists’ and “fundamentalists”.

  • Fair enough. 😉 Though I doubt even if they weren’t pacifist, the mainline protestants would probably barely be able to field a scout troop, much less a crusading legion.

  • And, this just in:
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35018849

    I suspect the peculiarities of the French electoral system will prevent FN from gaining many seats in regional assemblies. Still, the trans-national occidental political class has managed to alienate about a quarter of the Swedish electorate, about 30% of the French electorate, and north of 20% of the American electorate. Heckuva job, guys.

  • It is time for several things to happen:
    1. Someone should strongly promotes a book in plain language that might be called: ‘What Islam is All About’. Start promotion in the evangelical community.
    2. NRA conducts major promotion on the wisdom and necessity of concealed carry.
    3. All Muslim mosques and communities should be closely monitored.
    4. Criminal profiling laws should be introduced by Congress.
    5. Tracking bracelets should be mandatory on all suspected terrorists.

    Political correctness will hamper the implementation of these suggestions but not after a few more San Bernadinos.

  • http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/12/annals-of-inanity-3.php

    BO is rapidly approaching the state of irrelevance his predecessor reached only in September 2008. His predecessor, at least, had a patriotic interest in the welfare of the country over which he presided.

  • Michael Dowd.

    #3. Interesting pick. French interior minister looking at closing down mosques and deporting “hate preachers,” out of the country.
    Per Daily Mail.com
    Your absolutely right! Monitor communities and mosques NOW!

  • Maduro can be recalled by a majority of votes cast in a recall election during his last three years in office. His last three years begin April 19, 2016.

  • BO is Baghdad Bob on ISIS and the world-wide terror war against us
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    “Ignorance is strength.” George Orwell, 1984.
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    Michael Dowd, Re: #3 – Climate Change and Gun Control – the lying media didn’t report France raided mosques and found hundreds of dreaded assault weapons. These consistent lies and omissions are how the liberal poison the well of public discourse and have produced a majority of voters that are so misinformed and brainwashed as to believe puerile nonsense from Hillary Benghazi and our precious Baghdad Bob in the White House.

  • I read a very good article once, on the seemingly strange alliance between the Left and Islam.

    In an article in Le Monde back in 2001, Robert Redeker suggested that, in the aftermath of thet Cold War, the Left has replaced “sovietophilia” with “islamophilia,” and that “Palestinians and the contemporary Muslim masses replace the proletariat in the intellectuals’ imagination” as the pure, ideal alternative to Western capitalism.” It is the product of post-colonial contrition, coupled with a fetishisation of the “innocent” Palestinians, which in turn springs from the ideological need to fill the post-Soviet vacuum.

  • MP-S,

    Agree with all you wrote. Additionally, the American left, Islam, and Marxism/Leninism are closely connected (allied?) in that they are pure evil and are antithetical to Western Civilization, Freedom and Christ.

  • In an article in Le Monde back in 2001, Robert Redeker suggested that, in the aftermath of thet Cold War, the Left has replaced “sovietophilia” with “islamophilia,” and that “Palestinians and the contemporary Muslim masses replace the proletariat in the intellectuals’ imagination” as the pure, ideal alternative to Western capitalism.” It is the product of post-colonial contrition, coupled with a fetishisation of the “innocent” Palestinians, which in turn springs from the ideological need to fill the post-Soviet vacuum.

    Won’t wash. The occidental bien-pensant left began shilling for revanchist Arab nationalism nearly 50 years ago. In Barry Rubin’s Israel-Arab Reader you’ll find reprints of denunciations of Israel published ca. 1968 under the bylines of Hal Draper, I.F. Stone, and Erskine Childers. You want a disagreeable motive? For the same reason people profess to like contemporary art or Milton Babbitt’s ‘music’; perverse opinions mark you (at least in your own mind) as one up against a mass of people you disdain (that would be the rest of us).

Jihad, U. S. Branch

Tuesday, September 2, AD 2014

Christopher Johnson, a non-Catholic who has taken up the cudgels so frequently for the Church that I have named him Defender of the Faith, suggests that if you are not nervous about Jihad, you probably should be:

You might want to look into the idea:

Columbus [Indiana] Police said they’ve never had anything like it – three churches vandalized in the same night.

Someone spray painted them on the outside. It’s the words used, though, that have some people asking if this was more than a prank.

“It was just one word. It said ‘Infidels!’” Father Doug Marcotte said of what was spray painted on Saint Bartholomew’s Catholic Church in Columbus overnight Saturday.

Parishioners saw that, along with the word “Qur’an 3:151″ on their way into mass Sunday morning.

“It’s certainly not a warm and fuzzy verse. It talks about the infidels, their refuge being the fire,” explained Father Marcotte.

Specifically, that passage of the Qur’an reads: “We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.”

Saint Bartholomew’s wasn’t the only Columbus church vandalized.

“It’s really bizarre and the fact that they hit two other Christian Churches. It’s not like we’re all in a line. So why did they pick the three of us?” asked Father Marcotte.

Outside East Columbus Christian Church and Lakeview Church of Christ, members there found the same kind of graffiti Sunday morning.

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  • Good to see the response of the Islamic Society of Columbus. It wouldn’t shock me at all to learn that the perpetrators were not Muslim, but simply agitators looking to stir up controversy and trouble. And with no more care, than a delinquent pulling a fire alarm.

  • “but simply agitators looking to stir up controversy and trouble.”

    Yes, no doubt simply the fault of outside agitators rather than the adherents of a faith that view Christians and Jews as enemies and infidels.

  • – Or maybe it was a unruly group of cloistered nuns out of their cells for a bit of mischief.

    Wake up and smell the Koran.

    Please thank your President for the warm welcome of this ideology into a once God fearing Nation. Remember…”we are not a Christian Nation.”

  • I’m in Peoria, Il., and there’s a mosque only 3.5 miles from where I live. I didn’t even know it was there until an old friend of my family told me about it. Heck, they even had the street it’s on renamed Salaam Dr.! I wonder how soon will I see Quran verses sprayed on the walls of local churches?

  • “Our community condemns such actions and believes that Columbus is not a place for such a behavior.” Does that imply there is a place for such behavior? Mosul? Damascus? London? New York? St. Lawrence of Brindisi, pray for us.

  • “Specifically, that passage of the Qur’an reads: “We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” “Qur’an 3:151″
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    Allah will not be pleased to be used by those inflicting their own will as the will of Allah. The passage applies directly and correctly to those individuals who use Allah as an excuse to do what they will outside the law. How do these people know what is in the heart and mind of any other person? Calling another person “infidel” means that one knows what is in the heart and mind of that person. This is only possible for God.

  • If your members of Catholic Daughters and Knights of Columbus aren’t packing heat in the parish’s parking lot during masses and have a phone to call 911 ready-to-hand…

  • I’ll be impressed when The Islamic Society of Columbus, Indiana pays to clean away the vandalism. Until then, meh.

  • Everyone is so amazed that I express skepticism that Muslims were behind this. Don et. al. did you read the article linked to in the column and in particular the words of Fr. Marcotte? Remember him? The one whose parish was defaced? He wasn’t quite as sure as all of you, or evidently “Defender of the Faith” Johnson. From Fr. Marcotte: “…is this someone that’s trying to incite people against Muslims? I mean I DON’T KNOW.” (emphasis mine). No he doesn’t. And until an arrest is made neither do you. Until then I’ll suspend my outrage. Like Fr. Marcotte.

  • Of course until the culprits are apprehended no one does know who they are. However, to immediately assume that muslims are not behind this and that instead mysterious outside agitators are, strikes me as ludicrous, no matter who makes that particular leap in illogic. If someone vandalizes a Church and cites the Koran, I will assume that muslims are behind it, unless other evidence arises to prove the contrary.

    Such vandalism of churches is an every day occurrence in lands where muslims are in a majority. It helps remind Christians luckless enough to live there of their dhimmi status. This is not unusual conduct at all for radical muslims to engage in.

  • It is certainly possible that this was a “false flag” sort of thing to raise resentment (not that much help is needed with co-religionists like ISIS around). But a reflexive “no true Muslim could this” approach isn’t all that plausible either.

  • I do agree with c matt that a reflexive “no true Muslim could do this” approach isn’t called for, but the whole point is that the police are investigating and the parish priest is withholding judgment. Would it kill us to do likewise until an arrest is made? And Don is certainly right about the plight of Christians in Muslim nations, but I want to be careful not to fit an incident in a mid-size Indiana city having what is likely a small Islamic population, into that horrific broader narrative without more facts. I have learned over the years not to react viscerally just because a story or column in the media suggests that I should. There will be a time and manner to deal with the perpetrators if and when they are caught. In the meantime justice demands that we not rush to judgment. I think our Faith demands no less of us.

  • Outside agitators like who? Reminds me of that term “plausible deniability”.. a kind of semantic and false game sometimes played.
    Yes the evidence is so far just circumstantial. Some are hesitant to call a spade a spade even when their common sense tells them the truth.
    That lofty position of non -judgment is not always good! Realize that even if and when arrests are made and people are officially accused, it will still be technically possible to be in willful denial about blaming jihadist muslims.

  • Who could our hypothetical agitator be? Got me. Do an internet search of “graffiti hoaxes” and see what you come up with. Maybe it’ll be one of them. Or better yet don’t bother. Wait until the crime is solved and then we won’t have to guess. Nor will we have to be in denial, willful or otherwise, about the identity of the perpetrator and what their likely motivation was.

  • I share your concern w/our inane immigration policy; however, the presence of a Muslim center is not so much an indictment of our suicidal immigration policy as it is an indictment of our prison policy. Consider that a large number of Muslims in this country are a product of prison conversions, and in fact these new members are often blessed w/the zeal of the new convert, so i i’m laying odds, that’s who i’m laying odds on.

  • Yes, it could certainly have been done by actual jihadist Muslims, but I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that ordinary non-Muslim troublemakers are “not literate enough” to quote the Quran. Copies of the Quran aren’t that hard to find. And if conversions to Islam among prison inmates are as common as indicated above, who’s to say that a friend or relative of an ex-con, who is still hanging around with unsavory companions, didn’t get the idea from reading said friend/relatives copy of the Quran?

    All I’m saying is that we can’t rule out any possibility, including the possibility that it was done simply by some jerk who wanted to see people freak out and NOT necessarily by a serious jihadist bent on warning the people of Indiana that it was time to convert or die.

  • Occam’s Razor doesn’t always arrive at the right answer Elaine, but it usually does. If some vandal cites the Koran I am going to assume he was a Muslim until evidence to the contrary is discovered. Prison conversions to Islam are rare, unless one is talking about the Nation of Islam which is to actual Islam as Roscicrucianism is to Catholicism.

  • We in the U.S. have had the airline jihad on 9/11/2001, the IED jihad at Times Square and the Boston Marathon, multiple examples of parking lot and college campus SUV jihad, the Washington DC Beltway sniper jihad, and many examples of stillborn jihad thanks to the FBI. There will be more. Does anyone really think that it matters if this graffiti was put there by some smart-aleck kids, or not?

  • What matters most?

    TomD points to recent incidents here in the land of the free. It’s a war that’s been waged on Christianity for centuries and it’s now in our backyard.

    Q: Do we become desensitized to any form of hatred toward Christianity?

    Q: Do we prepare by steadfast faith in the possibility of red martyrdom to come?

    Will the most popular newborn male name be Mohamed in these United States? If so, is it because it invokes a message of peace, or rather a message of world conquest and domination.

    Only time will tell.

  • While the certainty of facts and the identity of the culprits are being developed in this matter, Chris C’s mock-shock at the likelihood of a Catholic Church being vandalized by Muslim youth, esp. given the facts so far, is hard to sustain.

    For what it is worth, in Belgium (particularly around Genk and the urban areas of Brussels) where one of my daughters lives, it is so common for Muslim youth to spray paint the Catholic Churches with Quran citations and threats that most of the churches now have locked cyclone fences surrounding them during the week or after morning services (in particular you can see this at the main parish church in Genk). So many youth that are Muslims have been apprehended that to believe otherwise as to whom is behind the matter is a practiced blindness that must take a lot of energy to maintain.
    So now it has come to America—as has been promised by the imams. So now open your eyes.

  • Steve, do you think you know more about the situation than the folks in Columbus, Indiana? Fr. Marcotte of St. Bartholomew, and a minister at one of the other of the vandalized churches probably know their community, including their Islamic neighbors a lot better than you do. They are withholding judgment and giving their neighbors the benefit of the doubt. Why can’t you?
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/indiana-churches-hit-vandals-quoting-koran-article-1.1924890

  • chris c., haven’t you learned anything about Islam since 9/11/2001?

  • Stephen, I guess I have learned about as much as Fr. Marcotte. Enough to continue to act like a Christian, by the grace of God, “in season and out.” In this case it means withholding judgment and being careful not to condemn until all the facts are known. Perhaps you and others have been busy learning something else.

  • Mr Dalton, you don’t understand: it isnt sufficient for one to choose to be blind, but you too must share his blindness.

    “To believe otherwise as to whom is behind the matter is a practiced blindness that must take a lot of energy to maintain.
    As in Genk, as in Brussels, as in Paris, So now it has come to America—as has been promised by the imams. So now open your eyes.”

  • chris c.

    Cool heads in this case is good advice.

    Losing your head from the sword of a coward is a reality. No question about it. This early determination on the culprit (s) is speculative and if your false flag idea proves true then shame on me.

    Beheadings are evil. The emotions are running high. No excuse to rush though.

  • chris c., Christians are told to be as innocent as doves and as wise as serpents. Please stop dropping the wisdom part from your homiletics. Christians cannot, must not, turn a blind eye to the evils perpetrated for Islam, and so cannot turn a blind eye to the potential for Islamic violence in many Muslims who until now have never committed such acts. I refuse to prejudge any Muslim as a potential jihadist, but I refuse to prejudge a Muslim to not be a jihadist either. All the evidence in the world shows that there are many shades of gray in Islam.

  • Tom, as it pertains to this case, I’ll do my best to maintain the same level of Christ-informed wisdom as exhibited by Fr. Marcotte in his comments. No more and no less. My interest in this discussion is about the specific matter in Columbus Indiana. A broader discussion about Jihad or Islam is for another day as far as I am concerned. My comments relate to 3 churches in Columbus Indiana, and the distinct possibility, as noted by Fr. Marcotte and the pastor of another defaced church, that indeed this MAY not be as it appears. Or maybe it is. Who knows until an arrest is made. But it sounds as if you and a few others maybe the ones who are too innocent. Graffiti+Defaced Church+Koran verse = Jihad. Maybe. Maybe a “false flag” provocation. There have been enough hoaxes, some involving graffiti, some not; to make it wise to withhold judgment.

  • TomD, Gnostics have wisdom that you and I do not. Also, a lack of curiosity as to the fact that 3 Christian churches were vandalized but no mosques. However, Columbus, IN, unlike most rural Indiana towns, does have a putative mosque, the Islamic Society, right in downtown, at 23rd & Chestnut. Oh, by the way, it is about 8 blocks from St. Bartholomew’s Church (.6 mi). Oh, by the way the other two churches are about 5-8 min. short drive, all within about 3 mi. of the Islamic Society site. Just a coincidence.)
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    Oh, by the way,since I am familiar with this part of Indiana,it should be noted that there are no synagogues in Columbus, IN (nearest ones are in Bloomington and Indianapolis), so please note, that is why they werent nailed. In case you non-Gnostics were wondering.

  • chris c., jihad is the central tenant of Islam. All other requirements of Islam, including the Five Pillars, may be excused if excusing them brings victory in jihad. Fatwa after fatwa makes this clear, and any fatwa to the contrary can be viewed as an expression of shirk, which is the greatest sin a Muslim can make (and the reason so many are killed by their co-religious). The deck is simply stacked against decent Muslims who want to live their lives out in any other way. I have no problem seeing a Muslim teen spraying Quranic references on Christian churches in Indiana as fulfilling a minor and relatively harmless jihad. Who knows, he may go to college and make a fortune on Wall Street or do kidney transplants, and never do another act of jihad, but deep down he would know exactly why he did what he did.
    As to the local Indiana clergy, I just have to assume they are like nearly everyone else and prefer not to face unpleasant realities.

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  • How does anyone know that it was not done by non Muslim warmongers? Could this have been done by those who want war in the M. East but those who are not anything to do with ISLAM. Could this have been done by JEWS?
    I ask all Catholics to remember how our bible and our faith is viewed differently by others who call themselves Christians and how it can be twisted into something unpleasant by those with twisted minds and evil hearts.

  • “How does anyone know that it was not done by non Muslim warmongers?”

    Yes, I can see why you suspect others considering the pacifism rampant among followers of the prophet. Who could possibly think that the adherents of such a peace loving faith could possibly do this? (The obligatory blame the Joos portion of your comment was a nice touch.)

  • UR:

    My money is on teenaged mutant ninja sasquatches with nothing more productive in their minds.

  • Ursula, how many Jews are going around loping off heads, let alone spray painting Quran verses on churches? Until you or someone else can actually prove such alleged claims, sthu!

  • I have to laugh at Ursula R’s comment about the vandalism likely being done by “THE JOOS”, er, “JEWS, as she puts it”: I have a little familiarity with this part of Indiana and I believe she would be hard-pressed to find a resident Jewish person in much of the heartland here/there. But then again, to satisfy her, perhaps those devilishly clever children of Abraham are at it again, and maybe the Mossad has covered well their tracks— yet again.

  • Amazing that there always has to be someone who must blame the Jews, but the Muslims whose Koran commands them to lie to Jews and Christians, whose Koran tells them to subject Jews and Christians to dhimmitude, whose Koran tells them to slay Jews and Christians by the sword are blameless.
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    Yeah. Right.

  • STHU yourself you rude arrogant LP Stephen. Steve, you have to laugh, really intellectual comment or arrogant put down?
    If Jews hate Muslims, as they clearly do with great intensity, leading to loss of life and liberty and loss of land for the Muslims, then surely it would be a really hateful thing to dress up as a Muslim and do something nasty to others so that others hate them too? Now if I were a Muslim and I really hated Jews which really one could hardly wonder at, then it would make sense for me to dress up like one and paint stars with six points onto churches in order to make everyone else hate them too. If someone who had upset me had a big falling out with someone else, if I was evil, I would target that person in order to stitch up the person I was getting revenge on. If I was a black American and I wanted action taken against the Klu klux klan, I could put KKK graffitti everywhere to get them into trouble, If I put on a white gown with hood and I was seen but not caught, they would get into trouble. Evildoing is sneaky and is sneakily done, it is not straightforward and getting others into trouble is more evil than targeting them in an outright way.
    I heard about a Jewish person putting up swastikas near her student living quarters, she was caught on camera.
    Some verses of the Koran were put onto churches, this is more likely to have been done by those who hate Muslims than by Muslims themselves.
    Who is Elliott Shimon?

  • Now if I were a Muslim and I really hated Jews which really one could hardly wonder at, then it would make sense for me to dress up like one and paint stars with six points onto churches in order to make everyone else hate them too.
    Yep, hate of Jews is soooo understandable.

  • Goodbye Ursula. I have zero tolerance for anti-semites. You are banned from this blog.

  • A million surplus Mussies are willing to bear the yoke;
    And, a man is only a man, but a good Mussie is a joke.

    With apologies to Kipling.

  • Don, deleting UR’s posts would be like photoshopping the Quran quotes off of the church photo. Please leave the evidence for all to see.

  • Jesus was a Jew.
    .
    Er, I mean Jesus IS a Jew. After all, He rose from the dead and will never die again and His Mother is certainly Jewish and She is in Heaven with Him.

  • Re. TomD’s cogent comment on “shirk” —i.e.,”… shirk, which is the greatest sin a Muslim can make (and the reason so many are killed by their co-religious).” as a violation to true faith in the oneness of Islam—

    I didnt connect the Qu’ran/Islamic definition to the Merriam-Webster defined definition/origin of the word til reading his post., and our common usage (i.e., “to shirk one’s responsibilities..”)

    Merriam-Webster :
    “In Islam, idolatry and polytheism, both of which are regarded as heretical. The Qu’ran stresses that God does not share his powers with any partner (sharik) and warns that those who believe in idols will be harshly dealt with on the Day of Judgment.

    The concept of shirk has broadened considerably throughout the dogmatic development of Islam, and it has come to be used as the opposite of tawhid (the oneness of God). Different grades of shirk have been distinguished by Islamic law; they include the belief in superstition, belief in the power of created things (e.g., reverencing saints), and belief in those who profess to know the future—all of which pale beside polytheism in seriousness.”

  • Steve: “The concept of shirk has broadened considerably throughout the dogmatic development of Islam”. Exactly right.

    Shirk can now include anything that would constitute what we would term ecumenical outreach. A Muslim who in any way gives any small credence to any other faith can be accused of it. For example, Islam has a version of the Golden Rule, but it is carefully worded to apply only to Muslims. A Muslim who states that the Islamic Golden Rule applies to all of humanity is open to a charge of shirk – unless he proves to his inquisitors that he is engaged in deceit for the sake of jihad. If you are a decent fellow it’s just better to keep quiet and not run the risk.

  • “…all of which pale beside polytheism in seriousness”
    And let us not forget that in Islamic theology the Trinity is a form of polytheism.

  • By the way, TomD, “The concept of shirk has broadened considerably throughout the dogmatic development of Islam”—that is Merriam-Webster “speaking”—note it fast before they are forced to change it!

  • Steve, I think that sentence is already PC. The fact is it “broadened considerably” in the first years of Islam. The broadening was not a linear progression.