Saints of Lent: Saint Oliver Plunkett

Sunday, March 19, AD 2017

 

 

Lent is a grand time to confront evil, both that evil which stains our souls, and the evil external to us.  Throughout the history of the Church there have been saints who risked all to bravely confront the popular evils of their time.  This Lent on each Sunday we will be looking at some of those saints.  We began with Saint Athanasius.  Go here to read about him.  Next we looked at Saint John Fisher.  Go here to read about him.  Today we turn to Saint Oliver Plunkett.

Oliver Plunkett first saw the light of day on November 1, 1625 in Loughcrew, County Meath, Ireland, a scion of an Irish-Norman family.  Educated by his cousin Patrick Plunkett, Abbot of Saint Mary’s in Dublin and a future bishop, Oliver decided at a young age that he wished to become a priest, and in 1647 he went to study for the priesthood in Rome at the Irish College.  Ordained in 1654, he acted as the representative of the Irish bishops in Rome.

While performing duties as a Professor of Theology at the College of Propaganda Fide, he never ceased speaking out on behalf of the suffering Church in Ireland, enduring massacre and suppression under the brutal Cromwellian Conquest.  On November 30, 1669 he was consecrated Archbishop of Armagh.

In Ireland he went at his duties with a will, traveling up and down the country confirming Catholics, the sacrament often being administered in huge open air masses.  He joyously shared the sufferings of his persecuted flock, often living on a little oat bread as he brought Christ to his people.  He attacked drunkenness as being a prime curse of the priesthood in Ireland and championed education for the youth of the Emerald Isle.

A renewed period of persecution struck Ireland in 1673, with the churches being closed, and the schools disbanded.  The Jesuit college at Drogheda that Plunkett had established was leveled.  With a price on his head, he refused to go into exile and traveled in disguise.    The Archbishop carried on with his duties, undeterred that his episcopal palace was usually a simple peasant’s hut. 

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  • St. Oliver Plunkett, pray for us. “. . . they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. ‘For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat;’. . . ” Revelation 7:14 – 17. Not totally apropos , but it touches the heart.

  • Archbishop of County Armagh.

    Beautiful.

    Thanks for the post.
    A future cousin or nephew perhaps, Joseph Mary Plunkett, the poet?
    I wonder.

    The poem; I see His blood upon the rose, is a golden thread.

    I see His blood upon the rose, And in the stars the glory of His eyes.
    His body gleams amid eternal snows, His tears fall from the skies.
    I see his face in every flower. The thunder and the singing of the birds are but His voice – and craven by His power Rocks are His written words.
    All pathways by His feet are worn, His strong heart stirs the ever beating sea.
    His crown of thorns is twined with every thorn, His Cross is every tree.

    Loving and compassionate.
    The families from County Armagh.
    I miss you Mom. Joan Taylor Nachazel
    d. November 9th 2016. The feast of the Bishop of County Armagh, Saint Benignus. d.467 ( a disciple of St. Patrick.)

  • “He was the last person executed for the Faith in England.”

    That is true, but the next century witnessed a persecution of the Catholic clergy in Scotland, with a savagery unknown in Europe, since Clovis was sealed with the Cross.

    Of the priests who had accompanied the Prince in the Jacobite Rising of 1745, Rev Mr Colin Campbell of Morar was killed at Culloden; although unarmed, he was shot down in cold blood by Hessian mercenaries, whilst trying to rally the fugitives for one last charge. Rev Mr Allan MacDonald, rector of the seminary at Scalan, near Glenlivet was imprisoned for a year in a military garrison and then ordered to leave the country. Scalan itself was burned on the orders of the Duke of Cumberland, as a “nest of traitors.” Rev Mr Aeneas McGillis of Glengarry was put to the horn (outlawed) and fled the country.

    Of those who had stayed at home, but had “prayed for the Pretender,” Rev Mr Neil McFie of the Rough Bounds, Rev Mr Alexander Forrester of Uist and Rev Mr James Grant of Barra were bundled on board ship and deported to France, without the formality of a trial. Rev Mr William Harrison of the Rough Bounds was later captured carrying Jacobite dispatches and similarly deported.

    In 1756, Bishop Hugh MacDonald, the Apostolic Visitor for the Highlands was put on trial under the obsolete act “anent Jesuits, priests, or trafficking papists” His real offence, in the eyes of the London government was the simple act of blessing the Prince’s standard, when he raised it at the memorable gathering at Glenfinnan on 19 August 1745. Sentenced to be banished furth of the realm, with certification that if he ever returned, being still papist, he should be punished with death, he ignored the sentence and the local authorities in the Highlands winked at it.

  • Lying and personal destruction have been around in politics for a long time. We’re seeing it today in Congress.

  • It seems as if I have eccentric and eclectic interests. One of which is readings on Irish, English, Spanish “interactions” in the 16th and 7th centuries. One book, The Twilight Lords, I own reports on the November 1580 siege and massacre (after surrender) of 700 Italian soldiers at Fort del Oro, Smerwick, on the extreme west coast of Ireland.

    A namesake of Oliver Plunkett was present at the fort. He cruelly lost his life. His arms and legs were broken. HE was left to lie for three days without food or water. Then, he hanged, drawn, and quartered. It was meant as a warning. After the Saxons left, the local people buried the dead, raised a cross in their memory, and “resigned themselves to undying hatred,” according to the author, Richard Berleth.

    Another point of information from my readings is that 17th century Ireland was not untouched by the religion of peace. In 1631, Algerine/Muslim pirates raided the village of Baltimore, County Cork kidnapping 107 Irish men, women and children who were sold into slavery in North Africa. Twenty-first century American and Europeans elites have precious little concern for the interests or safety of the common man. In 1631, the local Anglo-Irish aristocrat, Richard Boyle, refused to ransom the 107 poor souls.

  • Donald R McClarey

    You may find the sequel not without interest. Bishop Hugh had to rebuild the Church in the Highlands and Islands more or less from scratch. Himself the son of Alexander MacDonald of Morar and of Mary, daughter of Ranald MacDonald of Kinlochmoidart, he recruited his priests mostly among the Highland gentry; ordained ad titulum patrimonii sui and unpaid, they stayed with relatives, or with influential friends, and served their native place. Thus we have Alexander MacDonald of the Scotus family living in Knoydart; Austen MacDonald of Glenaladale in Moidart; Allan MacDonald of Morar’s family living in the Morar area; James MacDonald, son of John MacDonald of Guidall in the Rough Bounds, and so on. Bishop Hugh was succeeded by his nephew, John MacDonald.

  • MPS,
    Perhaps you can clarify… Clan Lamont, which was one Scottish clan that remained Catholic, faced severe persecution and was forced to sell their land and leave. Maybe you know more about it. My mother is a McLuckie, a relation of the Lamonts.

  • “Twenty-first century American and Europeans elites have precious little concern for the interests or safety for the common man.” -T. Shaw

    If common man describes Muslims I would disagree. The elites children will be subject to Sharia law and praising Allah, the false one, or face extreme consequences. This is islamophobia, they would say, but the history of Islamic conquest begs to differ.

    A political cartoon that was posted a week or so ago had made the poetic parallel of immigration into the U.S. and the extreme vetting of the entrance into Heaven. Walls? Yes sir. Gate? Pearly ones at that. Gate keeper? Absolutely.

    The point of course is privilege.
    The destruction and mayhem of certain EU city districts who have “mercifully,” opened the boarders is case in point.
    Demanding and arrogant to the point of rape and pillage.

    No thanks.

    President Trump hold fast!

  • Penguins Fan wrote, “Clan Lamont, which was one Scottish clan that remained Catholic…”
    Indeed it did. The current Chief of the Name and Arms of Lamont is Fr Peter Noel Lamont, a parish priest in Sydney. The family emigrated to Australia at the end of the 19th century.

Saint Patrick and the Nations Plunging in the Night

Friday, March 17, AD 2017

When Caesar’s sun fell out of the sky
And whoso hearkened right
Could only hear the plunging
Of the nations in the night.

GK Chesterton, Ballad of the White Horse

It is easy to lose sight of the historical Saint Patrick in all the fun and frolic of Saint Patrick’s Day.  He was a man of the fifth century and what a disastrous century it was for Patrick’s time and place.  The Western Empire was going down under wave after wave of barbarian invasion, pagan when they were not loosely converted Arian heretics.  Civilization was manifestly dying and Catholicism seemed to be faced with extinction, as it would almost entirely be extinguished in Patrick’s homeland of Britain in the terrible decades to come.  Patrick’s capture by Irish pirates and being held as a slave was typical of the fate of many Christians as the law and order of the old Empire became a fading utopian dream.  In these circumstances Patrick could have been forgiven for running and hiding in a cave as a Christian hermit, convinced that it was his fate and the fate of his generation to see the End Times predicted in Revelations.

Instead Patrick, after his escape from servitude, was filled with a burning zeal to convert the Irish, fired by a dream:

I saw a man coming, as it were from Ireland. His name was Victoricus, and he carried many letters, and he gave me one of them. I read the heading: “The Voice of the Irish”. As I began the letter, I imagined in that moment that I heard the voice of those very people who were near the wood of Foclut, which is beside the western sea—and they cried out, as with one voice: “We appeal to you, holy servant boy, to come and walk among us.”

Obtaining such education as could be had on the Continent, he was ordained, given the powers of a bishop, and sent back to the land of his slavery and labored night and day to bring the Irish into the light of Christ.  By the end of his life he could truly say that he had found Ireland entirely pagan and now it was mostly Christian.  His mission was one of pure Christian optimism in the face of disaster when most rational men would have told him that what he was doing was all for naught.  Instead, in the ages to come, Ireland became the fabled land of saints and scholars, where western civilization was maintained in the darkest of centuries and where the true sons and daughters of Saint Patrick, Catholic missionaries, brought the light of Christ back to lands which had forgotten Him.  It was a grand story, and no miracle attributed to Saint Patrick can surpass what he accomplished in cold historical fact.

To understand what Saint Patrick was up against, and the true miracle of what he accomplished, read below a letter of his in which he discussed the massacre of Catholic converts:

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  • St. Patrick’s Breastplate, the short version,

    “Christ with me,
    Christ before me,
    Christ behind me,
    Christ in me,
    Christ beneath me,
    Christ above me,
    Christ on my right,
    Christ on my left,
    Christ when I lie down,
    Christ when I sit down,
    Christ when I arise,
    Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
    Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,
    Christ in every eye that sees me,
    Christ in every ear that hears me.”

    Christ with me,
    Christ before me,
    Christ behind me,
    Christ in me,
    Christ beneath me,
    Christ above me,
    Christ on my right,
    Christ on my left,
    Christ when I lie down,
    Christ when I sit down,
    Christ when I arise,
    Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
    Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,
    Christ in every eye that sees me,
    Christ in every ear that hears me.

  • OOPS – looks like I hit “paste” twice. And, the wife is telling me “There’s something wrong with your hearing!”

  • “There’s something long and it’s nearing?” T. Shaw. Less hair on my head and more in my ears…. That’s how I explain my hearing deficiency.
    Happy St.Patricks day!

  • Thank you for posting. TAC encourages one to follow threads and learn somethings new. The letter made me look up that time in history; nations plunging into the night indeed. I had never read more than the basics about the saint’s life and was not aware that some of his writings still existed. His father was a British Roman cavalry officer, a decurion of some means. Patrick sold his birthright to finance his travels – no second collection for the foreign missions for him.

  • Thanks for St. Patrick’s Breastplate – I couldn’t get into a website that had it. Sometimes I need to hear or see words twice.

Irish History, the Short Version

Saturday, March 19, AD 2016

 

Hattip to Dale Price.  Of course it is unfair to characterize Irish history as mere drunkenness.  My sainted Mother had me listen to quite a bit of Irish music as I grew up,  and I still enjoy it, and Irish ballads also feature these elements of the Irish careening through this Vale of Tears:

 

1.   Be maniacally happy.

2.   Be maniacally sad.

3.   Blame the English for everything bad that has happened to the Irish.

4.   Celebrate an Irishman who left Ireland as soon as he was able.

5.   A celebration of the charms of rural Ireland written by someone who would have sooner died than leave Dublin.

6.   Mention the IRA, without mentioning that during the 60’s many Irish said the letters actually stood for I Ran Away.

7.   Be about the death of a beloved pet or child.

8.   Idolize near alcoholism.

9.   Mention Saint Patrick or a leprechaun.

10. Throw in a few Irish gaelic phrases for the singer to mispronounce.

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  • “6. Mention the IRA, without mentioning that during the 20’s many Irish said the letters actually stood for I Ran Away.”

    I am prepared to be corrected but I am pretty certain that this actually dates to the late 1960s rather than the 1920s. The barb was aimed at OIRA by, among others, those who would soon form PIRA.

  • PS “Risen” was released in the UK yesterday. I read your post of 22 February with interest. Taking some godweans to see it on Monday. I have always thought that Frank Morison’s “Who Moved the Stone?” would make the basis of a good screenplay along these lines…?

  • That seems to correct Kennybhoy, although I vaguely recall hearing my Mom use it earlier in the 60s. I thought it derived from the Irish Civil War, when the IRA for the pro-treaty forces was referred to as the National Army. However, everything I can find on the net supports your statement.

  • PS “Risen” was released in the UK yesterday.”

    I hope you enjoy it. I don’t know why it wasn’t released in the States just before Holy Week. It would make more sense from a marketing stand point.

  • You know you have Irish Alzheimer’s when you forget everything except the grudges.
    An Irish seven course meal consists of a six pack and a potato.
    And an Irish six course meal consists of a Fifth and a potato.

  • My mother is Scots. A McLuckie, a family of the grand and noble Clan Lamont.
    The thing is, both my mom and her dad considered themselves to be Irish. “Mcs, not Macs!”
    Mrs. Penguins Fan, being adopted, took a DNA test. She is from Colombia and has Irish ancestry. So, Little Penguins Fan and Littler Pengiuns Fan are both….Irish and Scot.
    I need a placard to drive thru tunnels with the Little Penguins Fans.

  • “My mother is Scots.”

    My mother’s Irish parents were born and raised in Scotland.

  • Scot-Irish and Cherokee on my father’s side, and pure Irish on my mother’s.

  • The history of Ireland in brief: a register of crimes, follies, and misfortunes (Edw. Gibbon); and, in particular, of invasions, plantations, massacres, fratricides, famines, and debacles. N.B. the long-suffering Irish are the only conquered people in the so-called British Isles that regained their national independence.
    .

  • Dear Penguin Fan-“Lamont” my middle name! Check out the clan tartan-to me it is one of the most beautiful. Story in our family-the infamous Campbells, wicked to the bone, invited all the Lamonts, the peaceful loving gentle Lamonts, to meet to discuss peace. Wicked Campbells then slaughtered the Lamonts; but some Lamonts escaped, to Ireland and then to USA, my forbears including Capt Samuel McClung who fought with Washington to West Va. Some say those who escaped were the really smart Lamonts (Guy Sr’s forbears, Guy Sr -WWI veteran, Guy Jr-35 missions in a B17, and me Guy III included). Others say these Lamonts, cowards to the bone, ran rather than fight. One thing about the Irish-we can laugh at ourselves. Scots too. Guy McClung, San Antonio, Texas

  • Rather fittingly, that list about Irish songs sounds a heck of a lot like the lists I’ve seen about Country or Western songs. (The “cowboy song” tradition is an awful lot like the sea song tradition, which is a lot like the bar song tradition. I have no idea who got where first. 😀 )

  • Hi, Guy,

    The Campbells did indeed shift with the prevailing political wind so as to be at an advantage, and if it meant brutalizing the Lamonts, well, so much the better from their POV. Clan Lamont no longer owns any of its historical lands (to my knowledge, I get my information from the Clan Lamont website). The current president of Clan Lamont is an Australian Catholic priest! The Lamonts trace their history to fifth century….Ireland.

    Clan Lamont is many things but not cowards. Being Catholic in post Reformation Scotland was a dangerous thing.

    During the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, a number of Scots emigrated to Poland, which had no laws mandating a state religion. Eventually, most Scots left, due to Poland being attacked by its “neighbors”.

    During the centuries Ireland was suppressed by England, Spain granted Spanish citizenship to any Irish who could make it to Spain. As a result, the Liberator of Chile, Bernardo O’Higgins, was a descendant of this migration.

  • Penguins Fan wrote, “Being Catholic in post Reformation Scotland was a dangerous thing.”
    The Catholic clans tended to be clustered in the West Highlands, such as the MacDonalds and in the North-East, such as the Gordons, Leslies, Irvines and Setons.
    The last person to be tried in Scotland simply for being a Catholic priest was Bishop Hugh MacDonald of Morar, the Vicar Apostolic of the Highland District. He was tried as “a Jesuit, priest, or trafficking Papist” on 3 January 1756, convicted and sentenced “to be banished forth of this realm, with certification that if ever he return thereto, being still a Papist, he shall be punished with the pain of death,” a sentence he simply ignored. His real offence, in the eyes of the English government, which instigated the prosecution, was his blessing the Jacobite standard, when Prince Charles Edward raised it on 19 August 1745 at Glenfinnan.
    Indeed, in the aftermath of the ’45, the Highland clergy were treated with a savagery unexampled since Decian persecution. Of the priests who had accompanied the Prince as chaplains to his forces, Rev Mr Colin Campbell of Morar was killed at Culloden, shot down in cold blood by Hessian mercenaries, whilst trying to rally the fugitives for one last charge. Rev Mr Allan MacDonald, rector of the seminary at Scalan, near Glenlivet was imprisoned for a year in a military garrison and then ordered to leave the country. Scalan itself was burned on the orders of the Duke of Cumberland, as a “nest of traitors.”
    Rev Mr Aeneas McGillis of Glengarry was put to the horn (outlawed) and fled the country.
    Of those who had stayed at home, but had “prayed for the Pretender,” Rev Mr Neil McFie of the Rough Bounds, Rev Mr Alexander Forrester of Uist and Rev Mr James Grant of Barra were bundled on board ship and deported to France, without the formality of a trial, where they might have perished from mere want, had not his Most Christian Majesty made them an especial object of his royal bounty.
    Rev Mr William Harrison of the Rough Bounds was later captured carrying Jacobite dispatches and similarly deported.

The Foggy Dew

Saturday, February 6, AD 2016

Something for the weekend:  The Foggy Dew, written by Canon Charles O’Neill, a parish priest, in 1919 and set to the tune of a popular love song.  We are just a bit over two months before the centennial commemoration of the Easter Rising in Ireland on April 24, 1916.  A militarily hopeless venture, it was easily crushed by the British.  Yet, astonishingly, this doomed quixotic episode began the events that within five years would bring to an end in most of Ireland of almost a thousand years of English rule.  History is usually so much more dramatic, and unlikely, than fiction.

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  • The Walsh name is perhaps associated with that nasty business between Diarmait Mac Murchada King of Leinster, and Henry II whereby the English took over Ireland in the Twelfth Century. If so, we beg your pardon. But then it got us to Ireland where we were most prolific. Walsh is the fourth most common Irish name after all. What of the name McClarey pray tell?

  • It means “son of a clerk” and is not very common.

Ten Thoughts on the Irish Debacle

Monday, May 25, AD 2015

 

Now that Ireland has voted to approve gay marriage, a few thoughts:

1.   Catholic Ireland is now Anti-Catholic Ireland-The Irish have always found scapegoats useful as an explanation for Irish failings.  Britain long played this role and the Church is now filling this role.  This vote, for many of the voters, was a joyous opportunity to give a one finger salute to the faith of their ancestors.

2.   Spineless Shepherds-With one or two exceptions, the Irish episcopate was worse than useless.  Cowardice was their most notable attribute.  Expecting these timeservers to stand up for Catholicism in a hostile environment is like expecting a wolf to become a vegetarian.

3.   Pope-MIA-The Pope has endless time to waste on made up problems like global warming, and to make snide remarks about faithful Catholics, but he uttered not a word on this vote.  In the current feeble state of the Church in the face of her enemies, the fish does rot from the head down.

4.   No Representation-All the major parties in Ireland backed gay marriage, so the 38% of the Irish people who voted against it, a huge block of voters in a proportional parliamentary system like Ireland, effectively have no political voice.

5.   Iron Triangle-In Ireland government, academia and entertainment were all overwhelmingly in favor of gay marriage.  The group think on this issue makes the old Iron Curtain countries seem diverse in comparison.

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  • Spot on, Don.

    One has to consider, since homosexuals are only about 1.6% of the population, but have such enormous support in all the social institutions you mentioned, and a strong 5th Column in the Church, whether the whole “gay rights” movement is not simply a vehicle being used by the Left to crush religion, particularly the Catholic Church.

    The sad and comic truth is that only a fraction of that 1.6% are remotely interested in “marriage.” The whole issue has been a sham in order to advance a much broader, more socially destructive agenda. This has only been the opening chapter.

    Poor Ireland. What a weasly betrayal of the brave men who achieved her independence and enshrined acknowledgement of the Holy Trinity and respect for the Church in her constitution.

  • “This battle will continue until the gay activists are defeated, or until religious freedom is a thing of the past.”
    .
    This battle will continue until Rider on the White Horse defeats the Beast and its armies in Revelation 19:11-21. The devil knows his time grows short and we are seeing the coils of the great snake constrict as many as he can into lifelessness before the coming agony of his defeat.

  • “What a weasly betrayal of the brave men who achieved her independence and enshrined acknowledgement of the Holy Trinity and respect for the Church in her constitution.”

    Bingo.

  • Will the Pope now declare those Irish who voted for gay marriage to be de facto excommunicated, or will he say “Who am I to judge.”

  • The Catholic Church grants annulments to a married couple, a man and a wife who do not consummate the marital act. An annulment means that there never was a marriage. This defines marriage as the consummation of the marital act. Sodomy does not constitute the consummation of the marital act. Ireland has lost its mind.
    The man and the woman consummate the marital act and consummate the marriage. The court, the voting public, the majority of voters do not a marriage make. Only the man and the woman who consummate the marital act make marriage. No decree by the courts, or legislation can make marriage. Only the man and the woman who consummate the marital act make marriage. I said that already.

  • William P. Walsh said: “•barbarian hordes would never obtain sway in his Church;”

  • The Most Rev. Diarmuid Martin, Archbishop of Dublin expressed the Church’s teaching on the Referendum question very clearly, when he said, What is the current understanding of the male/female relationship in the Irish Constitution and would this be changed in the Referendum? There is no formal definition of marriage in the Constitution, but the consistent legal interpretation of the Constitution is that it refers to a marriage between a man and a woman and that this recognition is fundamental and goes beyond any particular understanding of marriage that may have existed at the time of the writing of the Constitution. There are legal scholars who maintain that there is no need for a referendum and that the legislature could change a definition of marriage. The government has clearly thought otherwise in stressing that what is proposed requires a referendum. For the Constitution, a referendum is not a public opinion survey, but is required only when the Constitution is being changed and what we are being asked to change is an article of the Constitution on marriage. It is a question of changing.
    Is the proposal simply to extend accessibility to marriage or is it a real change in the definition of marriage which has significance for all citizens? You cannot take one article of the Constitution in isolation. Marriage is not simply about a wedding ceremony or about two people being in love with each other. Marriage, in the Constitution, is linked with the family and with a concept of family and to the mutuality of man and women which is the fundamental foundation for the family as it exists in the constitution today. Such fundamental questions about the good of society are clearly the concern of all.”

  • “As the vote looms that will decide whether Ireland as a country will redefine marriage, the archbishop of Dublin is saying that while he intends to vote against same-sex “marriage,” he’s not telling other Catholics how to vote.

    Archbishop Diarmuid Martin would not comment when asked about the stance of those Catholics who would vote in favor of homosexual “marriage” in Friday’s referendum, stating through a spokesperson it was not his policy “to tell others how to vote.”

    However the archbishop stressed “that people should be informed.””

    As the vote looms that will decide whether Ireland as a country will redefine marriage, the archbishop of Dublin is saying that while he intends to vote against same-sex “marriage,” he’s not telling other Catholics how to vote.

    Archbishop Diarmuid Martin would not comment when asked about the stance of those Catholics who would vote in favor of homosexual “marriage” in Friday’s referendum, stating through a spokesperson it was not his policy “to tell others how to vote.”

    However the archbishop stressed “that people should be informed.”

    “Archbishop Martin has publicly stated how he intends to vote and why,” his spokeswoman told the Irish Times. “It is not his policy, however, to tell others how to vote except to stress that, given the importance of marriage and the family, decisions should not be taken lightly and that people should be informed of what is involved.”

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dublin-archbishop-i-wont-tell-catholics-how-to-vote-on-gay-marriage

    Worthless.

  • Mary de Voe wrote “This defines marriage as the consummation of the marital act.”

    No, for Ulpian says in the Digest, “Nuptias non concubitus, sed consensus facit” [It is not sleeping together, but agreement that makes marriage. (Dig. 50.17.30 Ulpianus 36 ad sab) He also says a “bare consent” is sufficient to constitute marriage (“Sufficit nudus consensus ad constituenda sponsalia.” Dig. 23.1.4. pr.Ulpianus 35 ad sab.) As the great English legal historian, F W Maitland put it, “We must distinguish between the perfection of a legal act and the fulfilment of obligations which that act creates.”

    In his famous letter written to the Bulgarian prince Boris I in 866, Pope Nicholas I takes the same view, “according to the laws (leges), the consent of those whose union is arranged should be sufficient. If that alone is absent, all the other solemnities, even including coition, are in vain, as the great teacher John Chrysostom attests, who says: Not intercourse but will makes marriage” (Homilies on Matthew 32) [PL 119, no. 97, pp. 978–1016 at 980 ] Similarly, Pope Alexander III in answering a case propounded to him by the Archbishop of Salerno, declared that if consent de praesenti [“de præsenti” is, of course, an ellipsis for “de præsenti tempore” – “words in the present tense”] was expressed by such words as these “I accept you as mine.,” “and I accept you as mine”, whether an oath was interponed or not it was unlawful for the woman to marry another and if she should contract a second engagement by promise even although followed by sexual intercourse she should be separated from the second and should return to the first husband. [Corpus Juris Canonici Decretales Gregory IX lib iv tit iv cap iii]

    Non-Consummation may be treated as evidence of incapacity, leading to an annulment or the marriage may be dissolved, for example by taking solemn vows. Thus the Council of Trent, “If any one says, that matrimony contracted, but not consummated, is not dissolved by the solemn profession of religion by one of the married parties; let him be anathema” (Sess XXIV c 6)

  • Ireland voted to legalize gay marriage. Any complaint coming into the court about church or priest, must first reject the sitting judge in the case, who has the legal authority to perform the travesty. The lawsuit that overlooks the judge’s legal authority to perform the “same-sex marriage” is nothing more that a demand to own another person, the priest and the Catholic Church. To coerce business proprietors to perform and celebrate same-sex wedding facilitation is another maneuver to own another person as a slave. If there is one business that serves the same-sex weddings, there can be no lawsuit. as the same-sex couple can go there, and their complaint is invalid if they refuse to patronize the business that may serve them. They are not being denied by state regulated businesses. In the Melissa Sweet Cakes, the court destroyed their livelihood, while the same-sex couple went and were served by same-sex bakers else where. The same-sex couple were not denied by state regulated businesses. Spiritual murder is a very serious offense.

  • Michael Paterson-Seymour: “In his famous letter written to the Bulgarian prince Boris I in 866, Pope Nicholas I takes the same view, “according to the laws (leges), the consent of those whose union is arranged should be sufficient. If that alone is absent, all the other solemnities, even including coition, are in vain, as the great teacher John Chrysostom attests, who says: Not intercourse but will makes marriage””

    Both Pope Nicholas and John Chrysostom were writing about the valid consent of man and woman to proceed into coition. The fact remains that two men cannot consummate coition, nor the marital act, nor the consummation of the marital act no more that I can consent or will to stop the world from its orbit.
    Both Pope Nicholas and John Chrysostom validated the definition of marriage as consent between a man and a woman. Consent between two persons of the same sex is lacking the object, the marriage, to which they are consenting.

  • I’m not surprised when one takes into account Bergoglio’s
    favorable statements concerning sodomites. Clergymen, who
    oppose the anti-Christian gay agenda, could place themselves
    at the displeasure of the merciful Bergoglio.

  • Consenting adults is the fulcrum and the lever that has moved sodomy and same-sex-marriage into the culture as victimless free will choices. After Vatican II I was told in the confessional that anything a husband and wife do in bed is legally and morally acceptable. NO. Sodomy by any individual is assault and battery of the other person, abuse of the colon. Informed sexual consent by the individual or by two or three consenting adults excludes sodomy, masturbation, assault and battery, assisted suicide, sado-masochism and snuff films, where the heroine actually is killed.
    Informed sexual consent does not exhonorate a person from making a criminal choice and from the evil consequences. Two persons plotting to commit homicide are not exempt from their crime by consent. Neither are persons exempt from their sins and crimes by consenting to commit these crimes. Persons who consent to commit sins and crimes or give assent to the crimes other persons are committing, make them guilty of supporting evil and the devil.
    Homosexuality has always been defined as “arrested sexual development”. All people pass through some same sex attraction at puberty. Some people do not physically mature into heterosexuality. Two or ten homosexuals cannot give informed sexual consent since they do not have informed sexual consent. Two or ten homosexuals can only give “arrested sexual development consent”. Their infirmity excludes same sex marriage because of their “arrested sexual development consent’. If anyone had and has informed sexual consent they would not be militating for same sex marriage. Their situation exhibits their problem. There is no informed sexual consent from two individuals for same sex marriage. Two consenting adults cannot give consent to any sin or crime. Masturbation times two is still self-abuse. The culture and the Courts have lost all credibility on consent, with 50 shades of Grey, consenting to assault and battery, legalizing pornography, and the inability of the Court to differentiate between truth and perjury. A male wife is perjury in a court of law.
    Under the logic of consent, no crime is prosecutable.

  • Ireland’s fate is sealed.

    “If God doesn’t punish America, He’ll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.” – Ruth, Billy Graham’s wife.

    Substitute America with Ireland.
    *
    God bless and remember constituency Roscommon-South Leitrim and its people.

  • Michael Paterson-Seymour: “ There is no formal definition of marriage in the Constitution, but the consistent legal interpretation of the Constitution is that it refers to a marriage between a man and a woman and that this recognition is fundamental and goes beyond any particular understanding of marriage that may have existed at the time of the writing of the Constitution.”
    .
    The U.S. Constitution may be interpreted for the single individual, or for corporate persons as single individuals. A married couple, a husband and wife are judged as a single person. Two persons of the same sex come before the court and demand to be judged as a single individual. The married couple became one through their consent to marriage. The same sex couple remain two different people, because they cannot consent to marriage through the conjugal act or the marital act. The principles and the persons involved keep switching. When the court deals with principles, that, the same sex couple cannot perform the conjugal act, the same sex couple submit themselves as persons. When the court tries to judge persons, the same sex couple switches to principles. A person of principle does not contradict himself.
    The same sex couple are asking the Court to do for them what they cannot do for themselves and what heterosexual couples do do for themselves. Become one. The same sex couple who cannot become one are requesting that the court treat them as one.

  • Some heavenly news – for his greater glory – to give thanks to God for:
    – Beatification of Sr. Irene Stefani “Nyaatha”. First such ceremony in Africa. Thank you Pope Francis. [Cf. http://www.irenestefani.or.ke/about-sr-irene/%5D
    – Incredible miracle: https://youtu.be/1vuM0E8iejw

    Note: nuns still dress as nuns: https://youtu.be/MC2WGnEGGYk

  • Ireland is not a “Catholic” country, but has been going more and more “New Age”. People have lost their way while looking for their way. The new age and modern gnosticism is a great enabler of these social changes back to paganism.
    New Age began creeping across the Isles during Britain’s involvement with India and importing romance and mystery and other interesting things into their already wounded culture. People are attracted to mysticism and sacrament which the Catholic Church has been playing down for 50 years now…
    The True Faith is not presented well. comes across as exciting as your old mother– joining Isis or seeking adventure or seeking mystical experience is appealing to people in the gray gray West.

  • if Ireland was Catholic,they wouldn’t have voted the way they did.

    Yoga, centering prayer, living the “ascended life” all lead people away from the authoritative teaching of the Church. We are not so different from Ireland here.

  • In Ireland (as here in the American midwest) people who call themselves Catholic don’t believe this is a vale of tears– but that we can live the ascended life here and now, no worries about hell or purgatory– may not even exist… may be some kind of a construct of the Church for the sake of earthly power.
    The bad old patriarchal Church of the past is now more in touch with it’s feminine side, is more aware of Mother Earth than God the Father.
    Out of curiosity I looked for any article about the Diocese of Tuam where Knock is- and was pleased by the local priest’s strong “no” on the vote, and defense of family and marriage.
    .

    http://www.tuamarchdiocese.org/2015/05/homily-of-archbishop-neary-on-marriage/

  • For me, one of the most striking results of the Irish Referendum is that the total turnout was a mere 60.5%; that, in other words, two-fifths of the electorate were indifferent to the result. I find such supine indifference on such a fiercely contested issue remarkable.

    Contrast this figure with last year’s Scottish referendum on independence, for expel, where the turnout was 84.59%.

  • “…the archbishop of Dublin is saying that while he intends to vote against same-sex “marriage,” he’s not telling other Catholics how to vote.”

    Or in another similar deceit, “I personally am against abortion, but…..”

    Or sadly this reality; “We shepherds love and protect our sheep, but if they want to frolic a bit with the wolves, then we’ll look the other way–wink, wink.”

  • Meanwhile, child murder is next on the agenda in Ireland, of course once again funded by American liberals.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2015/05/25/activists-push-abortion-in-ireland-after-marriage-referendum-vote-but-true-equality-includes-the-unborn/

  • DBlack: “Meanwhile, child murder is next on the agenda in Ireland, of course once again funded by American liberals.”
    .
    A society that lusts after the blood of its unborn children will soon be eradicated from the face of God’s earth.

  • Mary De Voe: “A society that lusts after the blood of its unborn children will soon be eradicated from the face of God’s earth.”

    Interesting that you say that as Islamic radicals controlling Iran are preparing to build nuclear bombs as well as ICBMs, which aren’t needed to bomb Israel. I wonder who they have in mind for using them?

  • All of the above speaks to reality. The silence of Church leaders does, too. There probably won’t be anything definitive from Rome such as what has been spoken to defenders of Faith, Hope, and Love with a measure of contempt. It seems reasonable to imagine some gleeful cold hearts in the effort to keep that percentage of the ‘indifferent’ quiet, if not numb from impotence due to harassment. The spoiled ‘children’ of the US have celebrated success in changing culture and tradition for the past few years with epithets and insults. Hope for integrity and virtue to maintain a certain reality during the onslaught.

  • The word “interdict” comes to mind. It will never happen.
    .
    The Irish idiot (I repeat myslef) population may vote that a dog’s tail is a leg. However, . . .
    .

    “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.” — Abraham Lincoln
    .
    Now, In imbecile Ireland, (I repeat myself, again) the word “marriage” means less than nothing.
    .

    Germaine Greer, “. . . Elton John and his ‘wife’ David Furnish have entered on the birth certificate of their two sons that David Furnish is the mother. I’m sorry. That will give you an idea of how the concept of motherhood has emptied out. It’s gone. It’s been deconstructed.”
    .
    Seeing the land where my ancestors were born wasn’t on my “bucket list.” I’m embracing my Teutonian roots, until they too fall off the face of the Earth.

  • “Ireland’s fate is sealed.” Fr.Shyanguya Mon. @ 2:31pm.

    William P. Walsh brought up the St. Columbkille ” seven years ” prophecy a couple of days ago. ( The sea shall submerge Ireland in one inundation. )

    It, the new law of the land, may witness a manifestation of divine justice, hence a warning of sorts. Could it happen? Could it come before the Supreme Court convenes in June?

    Prayers for all souls are needed.

    Indonesia’s December 26th “act of nature” was inconceivable. It was just a short few years ago…remember?

  • The shame of it all…..a country born again with an acknowledgment of the Most Holy Trinity, and now rejecting it. Satan is pleased.

    CONSTITUTION OF IRELAND

    In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,

    We, the people of Éire,

    Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

    Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,

    And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,

    Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.

  • Archbishop Martin is partly responsible for the outcome of the once Catholic Irish Republic’s adaptation of same sex marraige. The Archbishop abandoned his responsibility as an Apostle of the Catholic Church to shepherd his flock. He said that it is not his policy “to tell others how to vote” while stressing “that people should be informed.” How can his flock “be informed” if the Archbishop shirks from his duty to do so. I am sure that Saint Patrick is turning over in his grave and Our Lady of Knock has tears in her eyes.

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  • @Philip Thank you!

    Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. [Creation will be renewed one day, freed from corruption and illumined by God’s glory.] – Rev 21:1 [RSVCE]

    In Scripture, the sea – the first beast in revelation rises from it – is representative of the forces of evil. With this understanding and what has transpired in Ireland, I have recently been thinking what St. Columba’s prophecy might mean.

  • Similarly, Caligula named his horse a Roman consul. Unbelievable as it may seem, the dinky dao Irish have managed to outdo Caligula.

  • “In Scripture the sea, – the first beast in revelation rises from it, is representative of the forces of evil.” – Fr. Shyanguya.

    Thanks Father. Seems that the snakes have slithered up the cliffs. Our prayers are coming. We included Ireland in todays Rosary @ Nursing Home.

    Peace.

  • Ireland deserves its fate. Nice job by the Irish hierarchy. They are quite possibly worse than what we have here in the USA.

    My son has baseball. I’ll have more to say on this later.

  • I’m still trying to ascribe the best of motivations to Pope Francis, but there is a startling contrast between his silence on this referendum and his active intervention on the same issue in Slovakia (where the push to supposedly re-define marriage was soundly defeated).

    It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Pope Francis only speaks out when he knows he is backing a popular winner.

  • Please join us in a day of prayer, fasting, and penance for the grave situation in Catholic Ireland.
    http://popeleo13.com/pope/2015/05/23/category-archive-message-board-344-sodomy-in-ireland/

  • On 29th May 2015

  • Next is the state requiring Catholic churches to conduct
    same sex marriages, which would defile the churches.

  • @Philip. Thank you but I am not an ordained priest. Just a laymen trying to participate in the Christ’s prophetic office that was gifted at Baptism.

  • @FMShyanguya.

    Please excuse my assumption.
    Your faith is exceptional.
    I enjoy your insights and comments on TAC. Blessings to you.

  • Thank you @Philip. Please thank God because if my faith is manifest, it pleased him to gift it to me and make it manifest. Thanks also to @Donald R. McClarey and to TAC for the forum. God bless you and all near and dear to you, and his work at your hands. Lets pray that we all persevere.

  • Sadness, the Blood of Christ stil drips from the Cross.

  • We notice the elephant in the room that most will not speak of…. the mass. Prior to the change (or destruction of the mass) people were flocking into the Catholic Church. Sure it wasn’t sunshine and lollipops but even in these united States people were saying this would be a ‘catholic nation’. After the change of the mass the bottom fell out. Vocations- gone, churches are being sold, etc etc. The faith was lost. Are we to think the mess inside the Church is divorced from the mess in the world? Grace comes in the world through the Church so if it is a mess in here then there will be a mess out there.

    We must get the liturgy fixed back to the form that was building western civilization

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  • Steve C: What change/changes to the Mass are you referring to? What is your specific recommendation to “fis the Liturgy”?

  • I agree with you Steve. Reverence. Sacrament. Vatican 2 didn’t really call for all these changes. Modernism is bearing its fruit.
    As I indicated in my post above- people are looking elsewhere for the sense of the spiritual. Some find it in the fellowship of Protestant churches (stadium seating , w/ cupholders) and some in centering prayer and yoga. Fr Timothy Radcliffe is popular in Ireland as well as here.
    Mass is getting more casual by the week it seems

  • It doesn’t serve the truth when we use the term “gay” to describe something that is so disordered and so destructive to both the dignity of the person and offends God.

  • T. Shaw-my ancestors were German and Irish. The shameful and diabolic in the history of Germany (and those in the current hierarchy there) made my soul ache. Now I have the added burden of the Irish side which has effectively elevated Satan to god.

  • The phrase “gay marriage” is as meaningless as the phrases “deceptively passing counterfeit currency honestly” or “colorless green ideas sleep furiously”.

    Words mean things.–Rush Limbaugh, American political commentator

  • A bit harsh but the thrust is correct. Good time to remember about power corrupting absolutely and the envy of the good by evil which always tries to take good down. It will be a long struggle and good will prevail though not necessarily the way many think. And has been prophesied: many will be lost but there will be the faithful remnent.

  • Mary – your argument about a gay marriage not being a true marriage because it cannot meet the requirements of the Church for marriage is part of an argument I’ve been making for a long time. Civil marriage alone is not enough for a sacramental marriage either. I should know – I received an annulment in record speed because my first marriage constituted an “error in form” having only occurred in front of a Justice of the Peace. The Catholic argument against civil same-sex marriage would be A LOT stronger if they also acknowledged that civil marriage isn’t real marriage. Anyone who gets married civilly only is committing fornication for as long as they remain with their “spouse.” If the Church had been more on top of this all of this confusion about marriage would likely not be happening. For example, the issues of cohabitation would likely not be an issue at all. If you think about it, it’s easy to see that few would feel differently about living in open fornication versus living in state-sanctioned fornication. It just goes to show – once you water down the sacraments for public consumption outside the church as we’ve done with marriage – what else could happen but what we’ve seen so far?

  • Ireland did NOT vote Yes to redefine marriage.

    Voting is not compulsory in Ireland.

    Only 60% of eligible voters voted.

    Of that 60% voted Yes.

    So only 36% of eligible voters said Yes.

    Of those who did not care enough about the importance of mothers and fathers to children to vote, you got what you deserve.

    “For evil to prosper, good man need do nothing.”

  • – A sacramental marriage is a valid marriage between two validly baptized persons, even when one party is non-Catholic. Please note a marriage between a Catholic and a non-Catholic is called mixed marriage.
    – A valid [proper steps were taken/Church law was followed] marriage between a Catholic and a non-baptized person is still a valid marriage but NOT a sacramental marriage.
    – The Catholic church considers as valid marriages between non-Catholics and obviously those are not sacramental marriages.
    – For Catholics: Can. 1108 §1. Only those marriages are valid which are contracted before the local ordinary, pastor, or a priest or deacon delegated by either of them, who assist, and before two witnesses according to the rules expressed in the following canons and without prejudice to the exceptions mentioned in cann. ⇒ 144, ⇒ 1112, §1, ⇒ 1116, and ⇒ 1127, §§1-2.

  • FMShyanguya wrote, “The Catholic church considers as valid marriages between non-Catholics and obviously those are not sacramental marriages.”
    If both parties are baptized non-Catholics, their marriage is both valid an sacramental, as the Code of Canon Law majes clear.. “[A] valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament” (CIC 1055 §2)
    There are no formal requirements for such a marriage; just as there were no formal requirements for Catholics before the Council of Trent’s Tametsi decree of 1563.

800 Dead Kids, Irish Catholic Bashing and the Truth

Monday, June 9, AD 2014

 

 

Catholic bashing has become the national sport of Ireland.  Blaming the Brits for every ill that has ever afflicted Ireland has become passé, and in the former land of saints and scholars the Church is the whipping boy du jour.  This of course suits the politicians who lead Ireland, eager to transform it into a carbon copy of every other European state with divorce, contraception and abortion ever available and with atheism as the de facto state religion.  Irish leftism, always of the most infantile variety, has eagerly joined in, along with academia and entertainment.  The attitude of the Church in Ireland has been, by and large, “Please sir, may I have another!” with most priests and prelates seeming to desire to become a Catholic Lite Church that will not utter a word troubling to their new lords and mistresses, the chattering classes in government and out.

Realizing this, I turned a jaundiced eye to endless stories about nuns supposedly casting the bodies of  some 800 children into a septic tank at a home for unwed mothers in Tuam, County Galway, between 1925-1961.

Go here to Salon to see a prime example of the Catholic bashing way the story was played.

Besides the anti-Catholic hysteria, the thing that struck me about the stories was the sheer ignorance displayed:  ignorance of the death rate of children in Ireland in pre-antibiotic days, ignorance that homes for unwed mothers run by religious orders were often used for caring for kids with mortal illnesses, ignorance as to the difficulties involved in  using a septic tank to hold even a small number of bodies, let alone 800.

Well, the truth is starting to come out.  Ironically it is from the local historian Catherine Corless, who was cited in all the stories for bringing this to light, but apparently wasn’t listened to very carefully by a media eager to hear what they wished to hear:

What has upset, confused and dismayed her in recent days is the speculative nature of much of the reporting around the story, particularly about what happened to the children after they died. “I never used that word ‘dumped’,” she says again, with distress. “I just wanted those children to be remembered and for their names to go up on a plaque. That was why I did this project, and now it has taken [on] a life of its own.”

In 2012 Corless published an article entitled “The Home” in the annual Journal of the Old Tuam Society. By then she had discovered that the 796 children had died while at St Mary’s, although she did not yet have all of their death certificates.

She also discovered that there were no burial records for the children and that they had not been interred in any of the local public cemeteries. In her article she concludes that many of the children were buried in an unofficial graveyard at the rear of the former home. This small grassy space has been attended for decades by local people, who have planted roses and other flowers there, and put up a grotto in one corner.

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41 Responses to 800 Dead Kids, Irish Catholic Bashing and the Truth

  • Kipling, “If”:
    “[…]
    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    […]”

    My people camne here before the CIvil War.

    Coincidence: My sister and I were discussing how Elizabethan England, immediately prior to the first Virginia colonization (1609?), tried to use Ireland as a colony. That set off wars led by The Fitzgeralds of Munster and Red Hugh O’Neal (the Red Hand) and the O’Dnnells (O’Donnell Abou!) of Ulster. The wars ended in utter defeat at Kinsale (the Saxons say an Irishman betrayed the plan for a bottle of booze), and the infamous “Flight of the Earls.” So, around 1600, through mass murders, rapine, and exile Ireland was bereft of many of its elites.

    Then, for centuries, especially at the time of the Famine, many of the best-and-brightest Irish emigrated to America, Australia (many forced), Canada, etc.

    It is no wonder Irish dolts outnumber . . .

  • The AP story on this insisted the babies had been ‘denied baptism’. What Glenn Reynolds says applies here: the layers of editors and fact checkers amount to squat.

  • Thank you for this, Donald McClarey.
    .
    “My mind is made up. Do not bother me with facts.”

  • Here is a quote from the Caroline Farrow blog: “Other interesting facts to have emerged are that the Mother Superior was a member of the NSPCC and that the ratepayers repeatedly talked about the unacceptable cost of the ‘misfortunates’. ‘I want the public to know what the illegitimate children are costing the ratepayers of Galway’ said one report in 1938.”

    Here again we see the same issue as we did in the native schools in Canada: the Church now has to pay for the sins of the state.

  • T Shaw

    An important element in the Ulster Plantations was King James VI & I’s desire to deal with the Scottish Border families.

    Until the union of the Crowns in 1603 with James’s accession, these had been allowed to levy mails and duties in the Border Counties of Berwick, Roxburgh and Dumfries as recompense for protecting the lieges against “the thieves and broken men of England.” His Majesty decided, now that their services were no longer required, to reward them for their past loyalty with grants of land in County Fermanagh.

    Even today, names like, Armstrong, Beattie, Bell, Elliot, Heron, Hume, Rutledge, and Turnbull can be found all over the North of Ireland

    Neil Armstrong, by-the-by was descended from the Armstrongs of Langholm. Ballads are still sung of William Armstrong of Kinmont or Kinmont Willie. It is said that his wife once let him know she was in need of housekeeping by sending a covered dish to the table. When he raised the cover, he found it contained his spurs.

  • Donald, you’ve confirmed my suspicions about this story. My first thought was that back then child mortality rates were higher than today, with many children dying before adulthood. They likely found a graveyard and spun a sinister story around it. Being an insurance dude, I love actuarial tables. Several Irish mortality tables can be found here: https://web.actuaries.ie/sites/default/files/event/2011/08/111010%20Irish%20Mortality%20Trends%20in%2020th%20Century.pdf

    On page 9 there is a table for male mortality. If you add the infant rate and the 1-14 year old rate, it is an astounding 25% in 1901, and still at 20% in 1926. This is huge. When you look at the many years that these places were in operation, and the number of people they served, it would be surprising if you did NOT find this number of people buried there.

    I’ve seen other articles that try to extend the supposed conspiracy even further. But the same issues exist. Child mortality was huge back then.

  • As the 1995 film critic in Commonweal magazine put it, this is just another example of the revenge of the present against the past for not being the present.

  • Armstrong, Beattie, Bell, Elliot, Heron, Hume, Rutledge, and Turnbull can be found all over the North of Ireland

    You can find Armstrong and Rutledge all over East Tennessee as well. Being names “William Armstrong” in Tennessee ca. 1860 was rather like being named “Michael Smith” today. Makes genealogy a challenge.

  • I’m with Mary: thanks for posting this, Don. I haven’t read anything about the story because I could tell it would turn my stomach, but I’m glad I read this.

  • Good information. Thank you, Donald.

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  • Many thanks for this clarification which was indeed needed.

  • I spent a lot of time in Ireland back in the late 70’s and 80’s. I still have friends there and it what struck me most even as a 20 year old was the liberal mush most of them spewed out and a growing derision of the Church and their faith. Their politics followed suit, hate Reagan, love Clinton and we all know they quickly claimed O’bama as one of their own. They welcome the biggest Mosque in the world while ushering out Christian morality. Just another fallen nation in what was once called Christendom.

  • The canary in the Irish coal mine keeled over dead in 1990 when Mary Robinson was elected President of Ireland. That would be the rough equivalent of Sarah Weddington being elected to a high ceremonial office in this country.

  • “Make careful note of the names of the reporters who wrote these stories. Even the most minimal journalistic standards were not applied. Think about it. A local historian tells you that she thinks 800 kids were buried in a tiny plot. The plot is far too small for 800 kids. All the proof she has is that 800 death certificates. You would ask “how do you know they are all buried in this one tiny plot?” Answer: she does not know. She just thinks they must have been. For any serious journalist, red flags would go up immediately. So the most the story can say is is “800 children may be buried in tiny plot”. Yet virtually ever story said that “800 children were found buried in a sewerpit.
    This is not a simple overlook. Any reporter, any editor would have known full well that the stories that were published were not backed up by the facts.
    We are left with one incontrovertable conclusion: the media is waging a war against Catholics, and they will stop at nothing. They will accuse CAtholics, at the drop of a hat, of the most foul deeds they can think of.
    I keep thinking of similar attempts to drum up hate in the past – the thing that comes closest is Josef Goebbels and his attempt to demonize Jews in the 1930’s. It is the only thing that comes close – look at the foul nature of the media narrative in each of these cases – Tuam: “dead babies, nuns, bodies dumped in sewer”. Look at the Magdalen Laundries false narrative – “Nuns, poor girls, sexually abused them, worked them to death, beat them, etc, held as slaves” All of it completely false, as determined by the McAleese report. Look at Philomena – “forcing women to give up babies, stolen babies, sold for profit.”
    Look at the media’s attempt in the Tuam stories to say that Catholic doctrine was responsible – not just the nuns.
    All of it is not far from the Eternal Jew – showing Jews as rats, etc. The parallels are very close

  • Kevin

    In the West of Scotland, people of Irish descent, in describing themselves as “Catholic,” often enough do so to identify with a particular community, namely, the Republican community in the North of Ireland. They tend to use “Protestant” and “Orange” interchangeably, just as the opposing camp uses “Catholic” and “Fenian” as synonyms. It has little or nothing to do with belief or observance, in either case.

    I once heard a footballer, a Scottish Protestant, who had been signed by Celtic FC described as a “mercenary for the Free State.”

    I fancy that, in Ireland itself, “Catholic” and “Protestant” were often little more than labels or markers for Nationalist or Unionist.

  • To say that children’s bodies were found inside a septic tank, demonstrates an apparent lack of knowledge concerning the configuration of a septic tank. To say the nuns were guilty of gross abuse of children, demonstrates an apparent lack of knowledge concerning the configuration of the truth.

  • I am a Dubliner living in the US for the last 18 years .
    I attended these one of these so called schools for troubled kids ,dumped there by their parents .
    I received a great education and learned discipline and hard work .

    The Irish times article ,which I read over the weekend ,shows incredible light this hyped story .The historian heard of two wags in a Pub in Tuam who were playing a game on this so called burial fields in the 70’s and were recalling how they opened a cover of a sewage drain and saw skulls .When questioned they confirm there may have been a few ,and certainly not Hundreds .

    This plot of land was once a workhouse and I would ask anyone who is not familiar with the term to Google it .Simply put ,they were the Auschwitz’s of the 19 century and would therefore have had thousands of nearby graves and skulls …not caused by Nuns or Priests.

    Fair play to the Irish Times for running the facts and lets see if the other naysayers follow suit

  • The catholic church as a whole has an awful lot to answer for and we are only getting to the bottom of it now they ruled with an iron fist people to scared to speak out and now that we do we are all telling lies I remember growing up in the seventies in Dublin seeing this organization at its finest and the people they chose to have working for them some very weird disturbing and absolute dangerous characters some still alive today both male and female so when I see articles like this about catholic bashing in the media it compels me to speak I’m a catholic not practicing these days we are not afraid or will hide anymore so get used to it and I would venture to say this and many other stories are only the tip of the iceberg the evil that went on is hard to comprehend so people need to know the truth the catholic church is not clean and never will be but you are entitled to your opinion whether right or wrong

  • Two comments David: run on sentences are a poor way to communicate, and next time you comment try actually responding to the post.

  • david: Whatever you do, stay on your side of the pond! We have a large surplus of wrathful, misinformed people here.

  • Mr mc clarey I take yiur point about my convoluted sentences and running sentences, but my my point is about the catholic bashing you talk of in media. I have read the article and listened to your argument or point of misinformation and the media trumping up this story to sensationalize it’s headlines but on the other hand do we not deserve an explanation to these heinous acts? I might not be well educated but I know when something is very wrong and the catholic church and the religious orders have some explaining as for you. T Shaw what the hell are you on about this side of the pond if this is suppose to reference the fact I live in Ireland and you live in where? If it’s the states then how the hell csn you comment in something you know nothing about being hundreds of thousands of miles away and by the way our minister for children has announced today a full scale inquiry into the religious orders and institutions so I’d say most of your opinions are going to look good when the truth is outed right or wrong!!!!!!!

  • David, unless you are James Joyce punctuation is always a good idea. The whole point is that there were no heinous acts, merely heinous anti-Catholic bigotry that turned a nothing local story into a world wide episode of Catholic bashing.

  • One cannot dialog with people like David. I personally would like a full scale inquiry into every secularist liberal progressive organization throughout Ireland and in fact in all of Western Europe and North America. I would like it revealed for all the world to see that all the crimes of which David and his ilk accuse the Catholic Church are actually perpetrated by left wing liberal progressive organizations, and the Academia and news media which they control. I would like their Satanic evil exposed to the light of day, and see them running like the gutless, worthless cowards in iniquity that they are.

    It is the Church which held the light of civilization, and to the extent that that light is diminished is the extent of the fall of Western society. No other organization has done more to help children and their spouseless mothers than the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and this has been true since Romans used to abandon their newly born on hill tops two millennia ago. It is a contemptible and despicable lie from the bowels of hell to assert otherwise. This latest fabricated scandal only serves to take the public’s eyes off the godless immoral filth perpetrated by the very ones who are accusing the Church of infanticide. Imagine that those accuse the Church in this fictional event are the very same people who believe that it is a woman’s right to murder her unborn baby! The irony of it all! The blatant hypocrisy is unfathomable!

    Sorry, folks, but I just had to vent my spleen. I despise all that people like David support. People in the Church have sinned – yes, that is true. And godless secularists murder unborn babies by the millions per year.

    Mors Democratiae Atheismoque! Vive Christe Rex! Vive Una Sacra Catholica et Apostolica Ecclessia!

  • I am again reminded that the Cloaca Maxima was found littered with the bones of infants. Infanticide was common in pagan Rome, banished in Christendom, and common again in a formerly civilized world. That, unlike the calumny of the Irish nuns, is a historical fact.

  • David …We have both been exposed to the good and the bad side of the Church .I went to a Christian Brothers boarding school in Dublin in the late 60’s where the discipline was harsh and meted out at an instant .Equally ,at least 80% of the brothers were decent men in a very harsh environment . To paint them all in the manner in which you have is most unfair and inaccurate .An entire institution cannot be judged by the actions of a few . The Church is a large target for unfair criticism and, as in the movie Philomena ,the factual and historical inaccuracies are never presented after the fact, so the already poisoned minds of ex-Catholics and Catholic detractors only wish to promulgate the lies .

    Finally ,David ,I would ask you to read the Irish Times article published on Sat ..it speaks volumes and make a mockery of the original hysterical hyberbole condemning the Nuns for the burial of the so called 800 little infants

  • With David appearing the comments I guess it’s time to bring out this old post.

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/tips-for-not-appearing-crazy-on-the-internet/

  • “…unless you are James Joyce punctuation is always a good idea.”

    Actually, it would have been a good idea for him also.

  • I am of complete Irish descent. One quarter of my ancestors came to America via New York in the 1840’s-I even have a member of the family who fought for the Union in the Civil War. The other three quarters came over a bit later, but all grandparents were American born. we had memories and traditions and stories passed down from generation to generation concerning how the English treated the Irish, taking our language away and trying to take our religion as well. We all had a certain image of Ireland.

    Then I went over to Ireland for an extended vacation. Of course, the Ireland of thatched roof houses etc had all but completely vanished. What I did find however was an extremely class structured society which not only did the Church fit into but seemed to promote at every turn. I found the diocesan clergy particularly arrogant to such an extent that the worst American clericalist could not hold a candle to what I witnessed. Because of the all but fusion between the state and church in Ireland, I was witnessing a seething cauldron about to boil over.

    Before going on I need to remind people that I believe in and uphold the Church’s teaching on life, marriage between man and woman that i indissoluble, the meaning of conjugal charity as love giving and life giving, to name a few foundational teachings which the West finds unacceptable. However, what I saw in Ireland in the 1970’s was unhealthy and ultimately harmful for the Church as well as the People of Ireland.

    This latest series of articles is, as you say, Donald, anti-Catholic. It is. That seething cauldron I witnessed in the 1970’s has boiled over and continues to boil over. There is a wild cultural revolution taking place in Ireland and in the Irish Church. Some of this change was/is necessary-such as the sexual abuse scandals have brought out both here and in Ireland. However, I don’t think we as Americans, and especially of Irish descent, can really grasp what is going on in Ireland as we speak. These forces are attempting to force a people totally class and hierarchically structured into a Western dysutopian society that has swept all that predates 2000 away. Further, certain forces have entered into the Irish Church which even question the Catechism as ‘outdated’ and pushed on to the Church by the Curia (neither being the case).

    As a son of Erin, I mourn the revolution taking place in the homeland of my ancestors.

  • What I did find however was an extremely class structured society which not only did the Church fit into but seemed to promote at every turn. I found the diocesan clergy particularly arrogant to such an extent that the worst American clericalist could not hold a candle to what I witnessed. Because of the all but fusion between the state and church in Ireland, I was witnessing a seething cauldron about to boil over.

    1. Was the frequency of inter-generational upward and downward mobility lower or higher than that in Britain or in the United States?

    2. Ever lived in a college town? If you have, did you know any ordinary resident who was in the circle of friends of a local faculty member? How often do you think this happens?

    3. Someone once said that snobbery is the inevitable byproduct of efforts to maintain standards. A deficit of snobbery can be a good thing – or indicative of a bad thing.

  • “2. Ever lived in a college town? If you have, did you know any ordinary resident who was in the circle of friends of a local faculty member? How often do you think this happens?” We couldn’t afford to live in the town but many years ago I commuted to my job at the college. I recall that non-faculty employees were known as emmets by their betters. Nothing is new under the sun.

  • I recall that non-faculty employees were known as emmets by their betters. Nothing is new under the sun.

    Never encountered anything that blatant, just a failure to connect beyond minor pleasantries. The boundaries between the faculty spouse and others on both sides was more porous, as it was between townie professionals and the faculty. Still, I think you’d find the local physicians did not have faculty friends either, by and large, and certainly the local merchants did not. You also remarked that faculty tended to behave according to status markers without regard to venue. There were always a few exceptions, of course, and general situational exceptions. You could always hitch a ride. If you’re riding, your the client and he’s the patron, so its all good.

    That’s the college town life. My experience is that faculty in metropolitan environments have a more variegated circle of friends and are less status driven.

  • I know of no country where the social divide between the upper and middle class is as sharp as in Ireland.

    I know of no country where the social divide between the upper and middle class is as sharp as in Ireland.

    The Irish upper class educates its children in English boarding schools, serves in English regiments (notably the Irish Guards and the Household Cavalry) practices at the English Bar (Gray’s Inn is full of Irish chambers) is baptised, married and buried by the Church of Ireland and provides, perhaps, half its clergy. They live, for the most part, in genteel poverty, but still manage to keep decent stables and to pay their country member’s subscriptions to their London clubs. One meets them on the hunting field, where they display a suicidal courage,
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    at point-to-points and country race-meetings. They drink claret.

  • I think you mean ‘cultural divide’, MPS, and I have a suspicion that when Botolph was referring to Catholic clergy promoting status hierarchies in Ireland he had in mind something different than the tastes of Ireland’s genteel Anglican minority.

  • Art Deco

    The Ascendency, albeit a small minority, has always had a quite disproportionate influence in the universities, publishing and the press and have long exercised an anti-clerical and secularising influence on the classes immediately below them, the wealthy and the higher bureaucracy, as well as on the Freemasons, with whom they are largely identified.

    Apart from the Ascendency, Ireland does not have an upper class.

  • Apart from the Ascendency, Ireland does not have an upper class.

    Rubbish. Any society more complicated than an agricultural village will have a stratum of people with contextually large assets and a stratum of influentials as well as many people in both categories. Sweden is noted for it’s fairly leveled-in income distribution but has immensely unequal asset distribution including one fabulously wealthy family which controls a double-digit share of Sweden’s private assets. There’s an Irish upper class. The different fractions of it may not talk to each other much, but it’s there.

  • Art Deco

    Sweden does indeed have an upper class, divided into the titled and untitled nobility, this last, the “obetitlad adel” corresponding to the Gentry (’squires, lairds and Chieftans) in the British Isles. The nobility is further divided into those families that were mambers of the House of Nobility (Riddarhuset) and the “unintroduced nobility,” or foreign noble families resident in Sweden. They are included in the “Kalender över Ointroducerad adels förening” published annually since 1935. Swedish law protects both names and arms from unauthorised assumption.

    In Scotland, the Lyon Court has matriculated the arms of several Swedish families, who have married Scots. (In Scotland, it is an offence to use arms without the holder registering (matriculating) them with Lord Lyon.)

    The Republic of Ireland, too, maintains an Office of the Chief Herald of Ireland and Northern Ireland comes under the jurisdiction of Norroy & Ulster King of Arms, a member of the English College of Arms.

  • MPS, I think you’re somewhat lost in the distinction between ‘order’ and ‘class’. We’ve no orders in my home town, just senior corporation executives, the top rasher at the local hospitals and colleges, the partners at the notable firms, a latent (or actual) rentier element (who are often on the board of this or that eleemosynary), and a few politicians (few of whom are patrician in spirit). There are sports clubs and social clubs which house the corporate types, the lawyers, and the old money (though I suspect their membership trends old now). At one time, the clubs and social circles were ethnically fissured, old stock and Irish Catholic over here, Jews and Italians over there. I suspect that’s less noticeable now, but people’s associations are still not random in that respect.

  • Cannot for get the real estate business. Developers and even brokers are often quite wealthy, and they keep in touch with the politicians.

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Unforgettable Michael Collins

Saturday, March 15, AD 2014

Something for the weekend. Michael Collins. A song in tribute to Michael Collins, the father of Irish independence, whose life and death symbolized the glory and tragedy of Ireland.

Collins was the most talented Irish statesman and soldier of the last century.  He was also a man of exceptional courage as he demonstrated when he signed the Anglo-Irish treaty, realizing that this was the best deal that could be gotten from the British.  “I have signed my own death warrant” was his prophetic utterance  when he signed the treaty.  Collins was killed in the subsequent utterly futile Irish civil war that erupted, dying at 31 on August 22, 1922, proving once again that the worst enemy of the Irish often tend to be the Irish.

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  • There are many who boycott products made in England to this day.

  • My family-the Spooners were driven out of their homes by the English .They were slightly better than Nazis.I’ll forgive but NEVER forget.Bloody Orangemen,as my Mother and her sisters used to say-they meant ALL English..

  • [T]he worst enemy of the Irish often tend to be the Irish.
     
    –Donald R. McClarey

    Showing once again that if one wants something done right, one must do it oneself.

  • A true hero! God bless him! Rest in peace, Miceál!

  • Gorden, just remember that not ALL English are bad, some of them are even Catholics

  • Then let them leave Northern Ireland and resettle those Scots that they imported just like the USSR did with Crimea.

    The English are ALL complicit until an apology is proferred.They were imperialists just like the Nazis.Catholicism has NOTHING to do with it -look at Croation war crimes.

    According to the English historian Sir William Petty, before the war there was an estimated 1.5 million Gaelic Irish. After the war there was an estimated .5 million.

    We know that through the Irish slave trade Cromwell sold about 60,000 Irish into slavery in Barbados and Virginia, so the balance would have been either killed in battle or through the starvation and later diseases that set in because of the forced migration of the Irish into Connaught.

    Most modern authors consider this an early form of ethnic cleansing. To this day there are anti-Catholic laws on the books in the U.K. and there Cromwell is looked upon as a hero for betraying and murdering his Catholic King.

  • “The English are ALL complicit until an apology is proferred.”

    Oh give it a break. There are virtually no English alive from the time when they controlled all of Ireland. An apology now would be empty and meaningless. The English, for all the misdeeds of some English in Ireland, were never Nazis, but your proposal to have the English remove Northern Irish, most of whom have families that have lived in Ireland since the seventeenth century, would be a Nazi like act. I have a deep love of history, but being consumed with hate because of it is a poor way to go through life and is completely antithetical to the Gospel.

Honoring A Murderer in Galway

Thursday, April 12, AD 2012

 “When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing — they believe in anything.”

 G. K. Chesterton

 Ah poor Ireland.  As the Faith has become weaker in the Emerald Isle, strange new gods are arising, and one of the strangest is Che Guevara, deceased Argentinian revolutionary and hero of politically correct fools everywhere.  In Galway of all places the local government passed a measure approving of a memorial to Castro’s Himmler.

 

The minutes of Galway City Council’s meeting of  Monday, 16 May 2011, include the following proposal: ‘That Galway City Council  commit itself to honoring one of its own, Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara, descendant of  two of our Tribes, the Lynch family of Lydican House, and the Blakes. The  project to be furthered by liaising with the Argentinean and Cuban  Embassies.’

 

Billy Cameron, an Irish Labor Party councillor in  Galway, has scoffed at the claims made by fellow city councillors that they  didn’t know they had voted to approve a monument in honor of Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara.

 

To underline his point Councillor Cameron dryly  asked if his fellow Galway City Councillors thought they had been voting for ‘an  egg and spoon race?’ when they unanimously approved the measure.

 

Councilor Cameron also had some advice for  conservative Cuban-Americans who have taken an interest in the case in recent  weeks: they should ‘butt out’ of Irish affairs, he told GalwayIndependent.com.

That last comment is rich.  What business is it of Ireland to honor a man who helped install a brutal tyranny in Cuba?  Of course this is being done because nature abhors a vacuum, and without a belief in Christ, people will search for substitute religions and for many in the West Leftism of various stripes is the favored choice.  It is gratifying that this attempt to honor “Saint” Che is drawing such fire.  Castro’s hangman deserves it:

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  • I would cite this, as well as all infatuation with such degenerates, as proof that evolution of the human species remains a myth. To evolve is to become greater and better. Such progress is difficult to find nowadays.

  • I don’t know if I would equate evolution with greater and better. To evolve is simply to adapt to changed conditions. Evolution is neutral as to whether those changes are good or bad, from a moral sense, particularly if we are speaking about “cultural” evolutions.

  • Fascinating video. It is rather ironic that the anti-capitalist Che’s image is exploited by capitalists on t-shirts and coffee mugs. I am sure Che is enjoying this from his 6th circle.

  • “To evolve is simply to adapt to changed conditions.”

    Granted, in the value-neutral sense. But homo sapiens is supposed to be able to change his environment as well as adapt to it.

    If we have that ability, and yet we still wind up on a regular basis with both murdering tyrants and those who worship them, I’d submit that something in the theory is awry.

  • My ancestors departed in suffering and tears.

    The sassenach succeeded after all.

  • For some reason known only to God, there are two surviving….things….that successfully resist extermination. One of them is the cockroach. The other is Marxism.

    Nothing on the face of the earth has failed in such a spectacular way as Marxism. Marxism is the worst ideology, the worst philosophy, the worst economic model, the worst system to devise a society ever thought up by man. Karl Marx was a degenerate. Karl Marx lived off of others for almost all of his adult life. Karl Marx abandoned his children. Karl Marx was a racist, an elitist and in favor of eugenics.

    Marxism survives primarily in the minds of so called academics who infest the so called “institutions of higher learning” which are turning out deeply indebted and highly stupid people. To a lesser degree, Marxism infests the worlds of art and entertainment. Marxism fails when it comes to sports. The blatant cheating of the USSR at the Olympic Games when I was young is proof of that.

    Ronald Reagan was born before the rise of the USSR and lived to see it fall. Karol Wojytla was born a few years after Red October 1917 but he too lived to see the USSR fall. RR and JPII were living proof that smarts, guile and determination were what it took to bring down an Evil Empire. These men should be seen as the heroes of our age and the ages to follow, but the expensive and failed indoctrination systems known as public education have failed the youth of the world and their parents.

    The Black Book of Communism should be required reading of anyone who enters high school. A good book to accompany that would be Bloodlands. Nazism was never more than second worst compared to Communism.

    Yet, the brain dead of the worldwide Political Left continue to genuflect at the High Altar of Evil. Guevara was a punk, a terrorist and a thug – a small man with a vicious mind and accountable to no one. He deserved his fate in Bolivia. the CIA should have cremated his remains and dumped the ashes into the Pacific – like what Israel did to Adolf Eichmann. JFK was too much of a coward to commit the necessary force to eliminate Castro in 1961, and as a result, Castro has sought to spread his cancer thorough Latin America. Castro has failed in creating other Communist states such as his own, but Castro succeeded in indirectly causing the deaths of countless people in Latin America through wars, political repression and economic instability.

    Our failed indoctrination systems have caused the USA to be led by insufferable twits – useful idiots – like Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and Obumbler. Notice that these people come from states that are currently abject failures.

    The Irish Labor Party is populated by idiots – useful idiots as Lenin would call them. So is the Democrat Party of the USA, the Socialist Party of France, Spain and Portugal, the Liberal Party of Canada, the Sandinistas, the Chavistas, the followers of Evo Morales in Bolivia, et cetera, ad infinitum.

    Not so long ago, Mairo Vargas Llosa, a Peruvian intellectual, wrote a book, The Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot. Latin American “higher education” is permeated with worshipers of Castro, followers of the insufferably stupid Eduard Galeano, and abject haters of the USA, who they blame for all of Latin America’s failures. It is a funny and hard hitting book. Llosa excoriates Latin American politicians, university professors, liberation theology-damaged Catholic religious and other assorted fools.

    People who wear a Che t shirt should be given a week’s vacation in Little Havana and Hialeah. It would be like wearing a Joe Stalin T-shirt in Warsaw. I would pay my own way to see the fireworks from that.

  • Penguin’s Fan: Excellent!!!

  • Don’t blame the Sassanach for what is going on in Ireland. For generations, the Irish stood up for the Church and their Faith against great oppression. Given two decades of economic prosperity, they dumped it all for modernism and materialism. Maybe not all, but a great many.

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Rule Britannia

Saturday, August 21, AD 2010

Something for the weekend.  Rule Britannia.  I grew up with a bit of a love-hate relationship with Great Britain and her now vanished Empire. On my father’s side the family had been in America since before the Revolution, except for the Cherokees who had been here I assume for 30,000 years, and the family could have cared less about Great Britain one way or the other.  On my mother’s side however things were different and more complex.  My mother, an immigrant who became a naturalized citizen, was proud Newfoundlander Irish.  Her Great-Grandfather, who regarded pews and kneelers as perfidious Protestant innovations and would kneel on bare stone floors into his eighties in the back of  the church he attended during Mass, had come to Newfoundland from Ireland and kept alive in my Mom a memory of Ireland.  She played in our home as I was growing up all the old Irish rebel songs, and part of the heritage I imbibed did not stint on remembering the grievances of the Irish against the English.  On the other hand, my Mom loved Queen Elizabeth II and from my Mom I developed a life long interest in British history and politics.  My Great-Uncle Bill on my mother’s side served in the infantry in the Royal Army from 1939-1945 joining up, he said, “Because someone has to teach the Limies how to fight!’

Therefore on this blog I happily play both the Irish rebel songs and an occasional salute to the land of the Queen my sainted mother loved.  In regard to the vanished Empire, I am fully cognizant of the wrongs that were committed by it, but I believe perhaps this section from The Life of Brian might be applied to the British, as well as the Roman, Empire, in some ways.

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  • Yesterday, it was a lament for Mick Collins.

    Today, its glory-oh for the Sassenach.

    I get it, too.

    But, BARF!

    Rather the pipes: “Highland Laddie” and “Black Bear” and etc.

  • How bitterly ironic that now any European country can now demand and receive, without any evidence, the incarceration and transportation to the complaining country of any British subject for any reason, and the Brits obey and imprison their own people.

    Britain is now pretty much a colony of toxic little Belgium, but without a Michael Collins to organize defiance.

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  • I embraced my German roots since the reunification.

    In believe Dev was safely ensconced in Brooklyn while the great man freed his native land.

    The civil war was nominally about the pledge, the republic and the north – none of which then were remotely possible. It probably was a power struggle. Dev never even tried to get unification. He kept Ireland neutered in WWII, though.

    I think Dev and his midget cliche could not rule while the great man lived.

    “Why do we live like this? The violence and the hatred . . . “

  • Collins did not ‘free his native land’, as he himself admitted (advocating the treaty as a ‘stepping stone’).

    Before anyone feels the need to comment on De Valera, they absolutely must first read Judging Dev by Professor Diarmaid Ferriter of UCD. Ferriter’s biography is the most up to date, having had access to previously unreleased archival material. He has changed radically the way historians view DeValera and refutes pevailing myths from the 1980’s.

Great Jesuits 3: Dynamo From Ireland

Monday, November 9, AD 2009

Father John McElroy, S. J.

Number 3 of my series on great Jesuits of American history.

A year before the colonies won their fight for independence, John McElroy first saw the light of day in Brookeborough, County Fermanagh, Ireland on May 11,1782.  At this time English imposed penal laws meant that Irish Catholics were treated like helots in their own land.  The great Edmund Burke described the penal laws well:

“For I must do it justice;  it was a complete system, full of coherence and consistency, well digested and well composed in all its parts.   It was a machine of wise and deliberate contrivance, as well fitted for the oppression, impoverishment and degradation of a people, and the debasement of human nature itself, as ever proceeded from the perverted ingenuity of man.”

As a result of these laws McElroy could receive little education in Ireland.  Ambition and a thirst for knowledge caused him, like many Irish Catholics before and since, to emigrate to the US, landing on our shores in 1803.  He became a bookkeeper at Georgetown College, studying Latin in his off hours.  In 1806 he joined the Jesuits as a lay brother, but his intelligence and his industry quickly marked him down to his Jesuit superiors as a candidate for the priesthood.  Ordained in 1817 , for several years he served at Trinity Church in Georgetown, until being transferred to Frederick, Maryland, where, during the next twenty-three years, with the boundless energy which was his hallmark,  he built Saint John’s Church, a college, an orphan’s asylum, and the first free schools in Frederick.  He was then transferred back to Trinity in Georgetown where he remained for a year until the Mexican War began.

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