George Zimmerman, the Media and the Search for the Great White Racist

Monday, July 29, AD 2013

Coverage of the George Zimmerman trial gives ample demonstration that most of our agenda driven media today makes the facts fit the story and not the other way around.  Cathy Young at Reason examines how the media has constantly attempted to falsely portray George Zimmerman as a white racist:

 

 

This narrative has transformed Zimmerman, a man of racially mixed heritage that included white, Hispanic and black roots (a grandmother who helped raise him had an Afro-Peruvian father), into an honorary white male steeped in white privilege. It has cast him as a virulent racist even though he once had a black business partner, mentored African-American kids, lived in a neighborhood about 20 percent black, and participated in complaints about a white police lieutenant’s son getting away with beating a homeless black man.

This narrative has perpetuated the lie that Zimmerman’s history of calls to the police indicates obsessive racial paranoia. Thus, discussing the verdict on the PBS NewsHour, University of Connecticut professor and New Yorker contributor Jelani Cobb asserted that “Zimmerman had called the police 46 times in previous six years, only for African-Americans, only for African-American men.” Actually, prior to the call about Martin, only four of Zimmerman’s calls had to do with African-American men or teenage boys (and two of them were about individuals who Zimmerman thought matched the specific description of burglary suspects). Five involved complaints about whites, and one about two Hispanics and a white male; others were about such issues as a fire alarm going off, a reckless driver of unknown race, or an aggressive dog.

In this narrative, even Zimmerman’s concern for a black child—a 2011 call to report a young African-American boy walking unsupervised on a busy street, on which the police record notes, “compl[ainant] concerned for well-being”—has been twisted into crazed racism. Writing on the website of The New Republic, Stanford University law professor Richard Thompson Ford describes Zimmerman as “an edgy basket case” who called 911 about “the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.” This slander turns up in other left-of-center sources, such as ThinkProgress.org.

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  • Recently, the NYT invented a new racist category: “White Hispanic.”

    The media (except, on occasion, FOXNEWS) are co-conspirators in one massive fraud after another.

    Lenin set up Pravda (Russian for truth). The commissar running Pravda was asked, “What is truth?’ His answer, “That which serves the revolution.” Same same with America’s contemporary, useless idiots.

  • To be fair, members of la gauche who have done criminal defense work (e.g. Alan Dershowitz and Jeralyn Merritt) have been steadfast defenders of due process and the grounding of evaluations in discrete facts. The case has also smoked out certain starboard opinion journalists. National opinion magazines are not obligated to make too much of local crime stories. The editors of the American Spectator published two articles on this case that were so stupid they should have been rejected for publication without a second thought. It emerged after Zimmerman was acquitted that among those who did not wish to be confused with the facts was Richard Lowry’s deputy at National Review (Harvard, ’03, natch). The regime class has its berths not only at the Republican National Committee and the House Appropriations Committee, but in and among putatively independent observers.

  • Mr. Zimmerman has been framed as a racist the same way the Tea Party has
    been, and by the same decadent media.

    It’s always baffled me that the meme “the Tea Party is racist” ever got traction
    when so many of stars of the party have been Black, Hispanic or other minorities.
    Mia Love, Allen West, Herman Cain, Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio, Susana Martinez,
    Tim Scott, Ted Cruz, etc.. If the Tea Party is racist, they’re sure doing it wrong.
    Yet our so-called journalists of today repeat their libels, in spite of all evidence
    to the contrary. Like the charges of racism against Mr. Zimmerman, the
    attacks are manufactured from thin air, and in spite of evidence to the contrary.

    Whatever one chooses to call what’s being practiced by most major news outlets
    today, it’s not journalism.

  • Another example of the party line from the lapdog media follows.

    THE MEDIA CALLS THEM “TEENS”: Black Thugs Brutally Beat Another Man

    By Clash Daily / 29 July 2013 / 130 Comments

    * ClashDaily- If you were listening to this via satellite radio you’d have no idea that the attackers were black. The also don’t mention the color of the victim. No word from Obama or Sharpton regarding this incident…

    BALTIMORE (WJZ) — A man is brutally attacked by a group of teens in Little Italy. Police say four of the attackers are in custody. Three of them are juveniles.

    The victim was walking home from work when he was attacked near Bank and Exeter Streets. Police say the brutality of the crime is why three juveniles arrested are being charged as adults.

    A brutal attack in the heart of Little Italy. Police say a man walking home from work at an area restaurant is attacked and severely beaten near Bank and Exeter Streets by a mob of at least ten teens.

    Four of the alleged attackers, three of them minors, have been arrested and charged.

    “It’s very upsetting because you feel suspect now. Now you see a group of kids, children, and you have to worry if they’re not going to pounce on you,” said Giovanna Blattermann, neighbor.

    The assault happened in front of Giovanna Blattermann’s house. She’s also watched video of the attack–captured by her neighbors surveillance camera.

    While the suspects took the man’s phone, Blattermann says that’s not what they were after.

    “They beat this boy. He got up, he’d run, they beat him. He got up, he’d run, they beat him. He got up, he’d run, they beat him,” said Blattermann.

    The suspects range in age from 16 to 19, but police say because of the brutality of the crime, the minors aren’t being charged lightly.

    Read more at baltimore.cbslocal.com

    Read more: http://clashdaily.com/2013/07/the-media-calls-teens-black-thugs-brutally-beat-another-man/#ixzz2aUNF3GSY

  • On KOMO news, they’re starting to treat the random beatings seriously. Mostly ‘cus of Tuba Man.

Family Rescued by Zimmerman Afraid They Will be Targets of Anti-Zimmerman Mobs

Tuesday, July 23, AD 2013

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Obama as Race Hustler

Saturday, July 20, AD 2013

“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start to think about robbery and then look around and see it’s somebody white and feel relieved.”

Jesse Jackson, 1998

Obama continued his attempt to pour gasoline on the Zimmerman verdict with his impromptu musings on the case before the White House press corps yesterday.  The cynicism of this attempt to use the Zimmerman verdict as both a decoy from his manifest failings in regard to the economy, Obamacare and other issues, and to whip up the black vote in 2014 is breathtaking.  This country does need an honest discussion about race, something that I have never witnessed in my 56 years on this planet, but Obama’s deeply poisonous playing of the race card throughout this case for crass political gain makes it likely that I will not see such a discussion while I inhabit this vale of tears.

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  • His sort of speeches are near occasions of sin, in my opinion.
    I have no time to indulge my mind and heart in an attempt to find any sense from the mouth of this president.

  • Two sets of Americans are even stupider than OB. The leftish media and the nitwits that voted for this brand of hope and change.

  • I hate the phrase “honest discussion about race.” Our nation has enough experience with such “discussions” to know that they are anything but “honest” or “about race.”

  • That is precisely why we need to have an honest one David and why we will not get one, at least in my life time.

  • I entirely agree. Admittedly, I am a coward when it comes to being perceived a racist. I find it curious but true that I’m not embarrassed to stand up as an American or as a Catholic but say something like “you wouldn’t understand because your white” and I am tongue-tied. Actually, now that I’m articulating it, it isn’t just being called a racist that I fear, I also fear being labeled an homo-phobe. For example, our Chief of Staff said in a management meeting that she was “disappointed” that so few of the managers attended the special emphasis luncheons. (These are luncheons with speakers on the special emphasis program of the month – Black History Month and such.) I don’t go to them as a rule but I make them available to my staff. I don’t go because they are a waste of time. The one she was referring to was for Pride Month and it is one of the few that I don’t attend on purpose. I don’t go because it is hypocritical for me to do so since I don’t support homosexuality. Did I say so in the meeting? Not on your life and I didn’t do so in private either. “Self-preservation” says my wife; but the truth is that she can’t make me go and there is nothing that she can do to me personally for failing to attend, even pointedly so. But, I don’t challenge it because it would be politically costly for me to be labeled a homo-phobe. In the end, I will continue to attend none of them, since it bolsters my argument that I’m simply doing my job by sticking to my work.

  • Your experience is one of many reasons why I am glad that I have been self-employed for the past 28 years. The search for equality has devolved into perpetual grievances and identity politics, and woe betide the heretic who does not pretend to give obeisance to the politically correct Gods.

    Any honest discussion on race in this country would begin with these words from Frederick Douglass in 1865:

    “In regard to the colored people, there is always more that is benevolent, I perceive, than just, manifested towards us. What I ask for the negro is not benevolence, not pity, not sympathy, but simply justice. The American people have always been anxious to know what they shall do with us… I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! … And if the negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don’t disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot box, let him alone, don’t disturb him! If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone, — your interference is doing him positive injury.”

    If his words had been heeded there would be little race problem in this country today. Instead it remains a festering sore for demagogues to make political capital from.

  • So sad that this is where we are now. All the unemployment, inflation, general cultural decline… and now this hater in the White House shows what he thinks of white folks… after the reelection . Beware of this ” conversation” he wants to have. That usually means black race hustlers TELLING you what’s the matter with YOU!! That’s not a “conversation.” Martin was being watched because blacks were committing a sufficient number of crimes in the community that law abiding folks formed a Crime
    Watch program. offerred by local police . We did that in my local area here! If we see someone fitting the ” profile” AND acting suspicious, we call the police and give a description…tell them where they are. Martin decided he didn’t like the HISPANIC Zimmerman watching him. He punches him and then is beating his head in the ground. That’s enough to use a gun to defend yourself. So…. Here’s my part of the ” conversation.” .. 1. Blacks are 13 percent of the population … Why are over 50 percent of the murders or robberies in this nation committed by blacks? 2. Why are 90 percent of the interracial crimes committed BY blacks ?? ( these are U S Department of Justice figures) 3. Why doesn’t Obama try to find and prosecute the black murderers in Chicago that are running amok this summer

  • If I were walking down an empty street at night and saw a group of teenagers wearing tattoos and sloppy clothes in front of me. I would be apprehensive no matter what color they are. It’s the perception of youthful crime that matters not race. Stereotypes are formed by actions. The actions must be changed to change my stereotypes.

  • Race Hustler.
    Perfectly fitting.
    Thanks for the quote from Mr. Douglass; “Your interference is doing him positive injury.”
    That should be stamped on Obombdividers forhead.

  • We have got to the point where

    the Left will not let us…

    because of his skin color,

    judge a man based on the content of his character.

    Skin color first; character? Maybe never.

Saint Thomas More on the Zimmerman Case

Wednesday, July 17, AD 2013

Sir Thomas More: You threaten like a dockside bully.

Cromwell: How should I threaten?

Sir Thomas More: Like a minister of state. With justice.

Cromwell: Oh, justice is what you’re threatened with.

Sir Thomas More: Then I am not threatened.

Robert Bolt, A Man for all Seasons

 

 

Roger Kimball has a good piece of commentary at Pajamas Media citing Saint Thomas More in reference to the Zimmerman case:

That’s not stopping the race mongers, of course. For them, the death of Trayvon Martin is an allegory of how America is a racist society. If only they could take a break from their race baiting histrionics to watch an improving film, The Man for All Seasons (1966), for example.  A friend, pondering the spectacle of race hatred on view in the aftermath of the Zimmerman trial, sent me these exchanges from the movie:

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!

And this:

Margaret More: Father, that man’s bad.

Sir Thomas More: There’s no law against that.

William Roper: There is: God’s law.

Sir Thomas More: Then God can arrest him.

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Two Minute Hate

Wednesday, July 17, AD 2013

The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one’s will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.

George Orwell, 1984

 

 

 

Ah, if only George Orwell were still around to give us commentary on the collective meltdown, with certain honorable exceptions, Saletan I am looking at you, on most left wing blogs, I guess he wouldn’t be surprised at all.  Orwell, a man of the Left, noted that in his time Leftists tended to be on the look out for heretics to transform into objects of hate.  In our day the objects of Leftist wrath do not even need to be heretics.  Thus George Zimmerman, one-quarter black Hispanic, an Obama voter, a man who an FBI investigation cleared of any racial motivation, has became an object of Leftist hate because he touched, accidentally, one of the great Leftist totems in this country:  race.

Thomas Sowell, who recently noted that he is old enough to remember when most racial hatred came from whites, explains how a low level investigation of a fairly routine self defense shooting was transformed into a national morality play for the Left:

Legally speaking, Zimmerman has won his freedom. But he can still be sued in a civil case, and he will probably never be safe to live his life in peace, as he could have before this case made him the focus of national attention and orchestrated hate.

More important than the fate of George Zimmerman, however, is the fate of the American justice system and of the public’s faith in that system and in their country. People who have increasingly asked, during the lawlessness of the Obama administration, “Is this still America?” may feel some measure of relief.

But the very fact that this case was brought in the first place, in an absence of serious evidence — which became ever more painfully obvious as the prosecution strained to try to come up with anything worthy of a murder trial — will be of limited encouragement as to how long this will remain America.

The political perversion of the criminal-justice system began early and at the top, with the president of the United States. Unlike other public officials who decline to comment on criminal cases that have not yet been tried in court, Barack Obama chose to say, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”

It was a clever way to play the race card, as he had done before, when professor Henry Louis Gates of Harvard was arrested.

But it did not stop there. After the local police in Florida found insufficient evidence to ask for Zimmerman to be prosecuted, the Obama administration sent Justice Department investigators to Sanford, Fla., and also used the taxpayers’ money to finance local activists who agitated for Zimmerman to be arrested.

Political intervention did not end with the federal government. The city manager in Sanford intervened to prevent the usual police procedures from being followed.

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  • Maybe I shouldn’t write this, but in Daniel chapter 4 Nebuchadnezzer was made to eat grass for what he did, for his over-weening pride. Since God does not change, and God always does the right thing in the right way, one may well think on what God has in store for Obama and his constantly playing the race card. 🙁

  • Not so much for Obama but for We the People who perpetuate the farce.

    In that America was designed a republic but almost immediately converted to the meaner and more crass democracy, I often wonder if that wasn’t Perfidy’s first assault on us.

    “Thus Tyrants could practice, in a sense, “democracy.” But now “democracy” can do the same work without any tyranny other than her own.”
    ― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

  • Look at the injustice which has been throughout the “family courts” of the United States for decades. None of this surprises me and I expect things to continue to decay precipitously.

    Our “justice system” is finished. We do not have the base of morality among the citizenry in America to sustain this republic. It is a fatal accident in progress and there will be no stopping it. Our government is the fruit of our immorality as a people. The more diverse our nation becomes, the worse our nation will become. It is finished. What remains is how and when.

    God bless you, Don.

  • Karl,
    The danger to our nation does not come from diversity; it comes from progressivism. While I do not share your pessimism, not do I share Don’s optimism (even if I appreciate it greatly). I am not impressed with the direction of our nation, and do not see much evidence suggesting a course correction any time soon. That said, we Catholics know that the final chapter of Life’s book has already been written, and God wins. No need for despair.

  • Obama and his gangsters have been hard at it since early 2009.

    “Any country that divides itself into groups which fight each other will not last very long.” See Matthew 12:25; Mark 3:20-30; Luke 11:14-23.

    YEsterday, I was off to see the dentist about gluing in an artificial tooth. I got to again watch “Pork Chop Hill” on AMC. I kept thinking that the GI’s depicted (they knew the war was over and gave their lives with barely a complaint) must seem like Martians to most of America’s (excepting my sons) youth.

  • We are a malignantly divided country of too many, in my opinion irreconcilable, deeply seeded beliefs. THAT is my meaning of diversity.

    Such, as in divorce for “irreconcilable” differences, rarely ends well.

    Perhaps, as you call it, Mike, the cause is progressivism but I do not think
    it is that simple, although progressivism, certainly, is a sizeable, strong, destructive faction.

  • I do think the jury is a good example of trusting the people in a democracy. The juror is not to be a political activist lawyer like Eric Holder or Jasmine R. but any citizen legally agreed upon as suitable.

  • The fact that, at least I read it, three jurors, before they carefully relistened to the LAW, were ready to convict Mr. Zimmerman for either 2nd degree murder or manslaughter, should frighten anyone with functional neurons, to death, especially those three. But, I doubt it does, so many people are morally dead from the neck up!

    I believe most people are unfit to sit on juries. A jury of peers, is a joke. The lowest common denominator is not a peer in my estimation.

  • One does not need a democracy in order to empanel a jury of peers. In fact, the personal responsibility and civic spirit necessary to perpetuate a republic would stand the greater chance of generating “peership.”

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  • karl, i would disagree that you will get the “lowest common denominator” as a peer in jury cases… i know little about the zimmerman case, though from what i did know superficially, it was easy to see he was innocent… i just sat on an aggravated assault case where each jury member far exceeded your “lowest common denominator”… sadly in this case it seems the LCD worked against the prosecution…the charge and instruction to the jury is critical in every case because it is based on the LAW and in the case of my trial, it allowed the jury to come to what i believe was a wrongful conclusion… thankfully there were some who viewed it differently and it ended in a hung jury… moral of the story is do your civic duty…always show up when called to serve … you might be the only right thinking individual on a jury swayed by things OTHER THAN the law

  • “To continue, you’ve listened to a long and complex case, murder in the first degree. Premeditated murder is the most serious charge tried in our criminal courts. You’ve listened to the testimony, you’ve had the law read to you and interpreted as it applies in this case, it’s now your duty to sit down and try to separate the facts from the fancy. One man is dead, another man’s life is at stake, if there’s a reasonable doubt in your minds as to the guilt of the accused, uh a reasonable doubt, then you must bring me a verdict of “Not Guilty”. If, however, there’s no reasonable doubt, then you must, in good conscience, find the accused “Guilty”. However you decide, your verdict must be unanimous. In the event that you find the accused “Guilty”, the bench will not entertain a recommendation for mercy. The death sentence is mandatory in this case. You’re faced with a grave responsibility, thank you, gentlemen.”
    The Judge, 12 Angry Men

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  • Great news.
    I was just watching a video clip on Hannity where the team of lawyers, cops etc were discussing the case, and most said not guilty.
    Actually, this was reported over here a day or so after it happened – the TV was showing a photo of Trayvon as a 12 yr. old, and people here were generally saying what a useless p o s George Zimmerman was – and that same photo was shown on our (liberal left wing/CBS/CNN style TV stations) just a week or two ago. I have never seen , on our TV, a photo of the tall strong looking young man that Trayvon was.
    I did, however, watch Fox new a few days after the story broke, and saw the whole story laid out by Hannity and others, including his interview with Zimmerman, and have seen what a patently false picture that had been painted of him; saw on TV Obama saying how, if he had a son, it would look like Trayvon, and the whole thing became a national racial issue – aided and abetted by your DOJ, and many others. The Florida cops did not even want to prosecute – but politics became involved, and goodnight nurse.

  • It was a political show trial from start to finish Don, and I am glad that the six ladies of the jury decided not to play along. That took some courage.

  • The Obama/Holder regime spent 17 months fanning polarization and race hate . . .

    Let the riots begin.

  • I actually had a dog.

    I hope the dog Obama ate didn’t look like my poor pooch.

  • For the six Zimmermans (and Grandma Meza) a plea for intercession:

    http://saints.sqpn.com/saint-gertrude-of-nivelles/

    They need to relocate to some place where they can live a quiet life.

    For Alicia Stanley, Stephen Martin and a number of others, a plea to the Blessed Virgin.

    And a plea to St. Thomas More for the disciplinary officers of the Florida Bar. They have some work to do.

  • Heartfelt thanks for the action of pure help, which is not of this world.

  • I have never seen , on our TV, a photo of the tall strong looking young man that Trayvon was.

    Taller than my husband, weighed more than my husband at that age, and dear TrueBlue was stupid-strong. (still is, but aches more and…ahem… his pants keep shrinking at the waistline, while his weight is a bit higher)

    What lawyer for a parent would put THAT picture out?

  • Foxfier.
    🙂

    You think he’s got that on his own?
    Actually, I’m lucky I – and my beloved for that matter – are the same weight we were when we got married 45 years ago. Trouble is, I’m no where near as strong as I was( now 71) but she seems to be as strong as she was (now 66)
    Is that called “the law od relativity”? 😉

  • Chris Wallace indicated this morning that George was a fault for getting out of his car.
    Metaphorically I wish America (and the World) would get out of their car. There’s a lot of questionable illegal and immoral stuff going on even within our government and governors–and we should get out of our cars.
    We should look into it, and try to be responsible citizens.

    The 20 plus people who watched Kitty Genovese around their curtains and didn’t call in to report something in their neighborhood avoided responsiblity and avoided trouble.

    I think George was racially profiled that night and was not only ambushed then, but he will also be beat up as time goes on.

    Meanwhile the fanning of the flames goes on. I wish the media would get back to national security. Gwen Ifill talked last week about the scandals of this administration being a distraction. The continuing race baiting continues to distract us and allow other bad things to go on. We need lots of “neighborhood” watchers–the “neighborhood” being fields of interest such as freedom of religion, pro- life and human dignity, wealth redistribution, co-opting the military — co-opting in general.

  • It’s not like you needed additional evidence that journalists are as equally evil and moronic as are politicians.

    “If don’t you read the papers (don’t watch TV news) you are uninformed. If you read the papers (watch TV news) you are misinformed.” Either Will Rogers or Mark Twain.

  • Don-
    I claim it’s sympathy baby weight. ^.^

  • I’m not holding my breath waiting for the mainstream press to admit this, but maybe saner heads will one day realize that any culture that excuses petty theft, pot-smoking, gangster pretensions, fighting – in particular, assaulting any cracker deemed sufficiently creepy – as ordinary teenage bravado (as one white liberal pundit put it), is a culture that is suffocating its young men with low expectations. That kind of profiling is what what really killed Trayvon Martin, RIP.

    Best of luck to George Zimmerman in prevailing against any civil suit.

  • I wonder if both the prosecution and the judge deliberately threw the fight. They did not dare do the honest thing–dismiss the charges. But, whether from residual human decency or some other cause, did not really want a conviction. So they introduced ludicrous evidence, tossing in a few patently reversible errors just to make sure.

  • I don’t think the prosecutor threw it. I think he made the best case he could with terrible witnesses, a bad timeline, lack of evidence that would help his case, and plenty of evidence that would cast doubt on it. The judge though…

    I wonder. She made a curious call in allowing the jury to convict on manslaughter. One possibility is that it was obvious to her that there was no way to convict and that she hoped to avoid appeals and allegations against her as one who facilitated an acquittal.

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  • PRM

    In Scotland, where we do not have coroner’s inquests, it is usual for all cases of killing in self-defence to be prosecuted as murder. The prosecution’s task is simply to see that the Crown case gets a fair hearing and they call all the witnesses to the incident, whether they support the Crown case or not, so that the defence has the advantage of cross-examining them. Often, at the close of the Crown case, there is a finding of no case to answer.

    Similarly, many cases of industrial accidents are prosecuted as culpable homicide, simply to ensure a thorough examination of the evidence.

  • I disagree on the verdict, in my opinion the charge should have been manslaughter.
    No witnesses, here is a seventeen young man returning from the store near his home. this man Zimmerman had the power a gun! he could have talked to him .I am sure Traven Martin would have explained. this man coming at you would be enough to frighten anyone. we don’t now what was said? but Traven could have been wrestling Zimmerman to defend himself and that how Zimmerman received those injuries. the jurors need to think of common sense along with the info of the case. in todays mentality I would never want to go before the jury

  • Witnesses called by the prosecution stated that they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Zimmerman had injuries to the back of his head consistent with his statement that Martin was on top of him hitting him on the head. The only injuries to Martin were the gunshot wound and abrasions to his knuckles. In that confrontation Zimmerman had every right to use his pistol in self defense. The State had the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The State only succeeded in proving at trial that Zimmerman acted in self defense.

  • Without trust in God, the faithless have only to demand Justice; they cannot deliver Justice

  • Mildred’s scenario reminds me of the phrase “whatever you want to believe”. In turn that leads me to wonder what it means that people who think conservatively see this case so differently than people who are liberal thinkers.

    When I was a liberal maybe I wanted the facts to fit my schemata, rather than my schemata to fit facts. What I wanted to be true, I wanted to be true. An old quote not original to Bobby Kennedy but often attributed to him, about “dreaming and saying “why not?” ” pops into my mind. And J. Lennon saying “you say that I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one”
    If liberals (Peter Pan) can think positively,it can be true. No need to Fight for the right, no need to have possessions because everybody has everything, no need for neighborhood watchmen against burglars and home invaders because hey mi casa es su casa… it’s a dreamy hazy world.
    As a liberal cum conservative, I didn’t change my viewpoint because someone talked me into it, but because I connected the dots. The world that wants to convict George of Somethiing imagines how it Might have happened, how it Could Have Been.

    Imagine there’s no heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people living for today

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people living life in peace

    You, you may say
    I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one
    I hope some day you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people sharing all the world

    You, you may say
    I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one
    I hope some day you’ll join us
    And the world will live as one

  • What if all the people who hate whites were born that way?

    I live and work in the NYC area. A few weeks ago, a home invasion was “caught” on a “nanny” camera and ran all over local TV news.

    The man was filmed exhibiting his MMA skills to a 33 year-old mother in front of her three-year old daughter in their suburban, NJ home.

    If I had a daughter, she would look a like that little girl.

    Like Obama’s son (he never had), that man’s son looks like Trayvon Martin.

    Mildred’s comment communicates misplaced mercy, and the (sadly not uncommon) acceptance of the evil, unjust (Obama) regime’s wilful lies.

    In general, the feral thugs just don’t think things out.

  • I disagree on the verdict, in my opinion the charge should have been manslaughter.

    This would be a good time to reference Art Deco’s summary of the case. I realize that for many of those outraged by the verdict, any reference to actual evidence is regarded as impertinent.

  • yes- “In general, the feral thugs just don’t think things out”

    Mark O’Mara called them on that when he said that the media just accepted the story that was fed to them. They didn’t do their homework, they didn’t think.
    They are responsible for the innuendoes and guessing that continues now.

    I don’t think they are “born that way” : ) but through conditioning, and social leading choose (and get to choose ) what they want to believe.

    What they want to believe is that there is no need for self-defense, no need for war. Remember the “Truce” or “Peace of God” ? a good try that was predicated on a fairly cohesive Christian society.. but only limited success. Now they want to “Imagine” that peaceful world sans God.

  • As a mom as I have had to face the reality about my kids;(their behavior which I wanted to deny) and the difficulty of the situations they got themselves in. I know, with Trayvon’s mother that God is my only help and the only help for my children. God does not forsake us or abandon us His children. We all – the O’Maras, the Martin, the Zimmermans – have hope, now and even after death.

  • From Zero Hedge: “’I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white;’ Thomas Sowell begins in this poignant essay amid the protests across the nation this evening. Apparently other Americans also recognize that the sources of racism are different today from what they were in the past. According to a recent Rasmussen poll, 31% of blacks think that most blacks are racists, while 24% of blacks think that most whites are racist. The time is long overdue to stop looking for progress through racial or ethnic leaders. Such leaders have too many incentives to promote polarizing attitudes and actions that are counterproductive for minorities and disastrous for the country.”

  • I read this: “In general, the feral thugs just don’t think things out.”

    As: “In general, the federal thugs just don’t think things out.”

    Considering how quickly any justice in the case was sacrificed on the altar of politics, I think my version is more accurate.

  • I wonder. She made a curious call in allowing the jury to convict on manslaughter.

    If I am not mistaken, manslaughter by act is a lesser included offense under Florida statutes and had to be included in the charge to the jury. She had no discretion on that. The shyster prosecutors attempted to get her to include felony murder as an option in the jury instructions, on the goofy theory that the Trayvon Martin was killed auxilliary to an act of child abuse. The judge declined to be a party to that bit of pettifoggery. The judge also made it a point to explicitly rule out a finding of negligent manslaughter in the instructions.

  • WK:

    I like it.

  • The Zimmerman’s opposition to including Manslaughter in the instructions suggests to me that there is a subtlety to this that I’ve missed.

    By the way; “pettifoggery” is a great old word that I haven’t seen used in a conversation before. Excellent! Perhaps it will make a comeback.

  • Slamming a persons head against the concrete sidewalk is aggravated assault and battery. It could have resulted in Mr. Zimmerman being maimed or killed. If Martin were the only one to survive, would he have been charged with similar crimes? The case is closed. Leave it be. Federal intervention in a matter settled by a state court would be Ultra Vires and a tyrannical violation of the Constitution. It would also reflect badly on an Administration that is excessively ideological and has so many serious high priority problems to resolve. Our foreign policy is a shambles. Our economy is in the toilet. Further, this country has not been so divided since the Civil War. The President should not have commented, the Justice Department should not have dispatched demonstrators last year and the President should do nothing, if he wants to avoid the creation of more troubles. Intervention will be fan the flames and demean his office.

  • It saddens me that so many will be hurt and/killed because of poor reporting and demagoguery. We have had two beat downs here in Wisconsin if media reports are correct. How tragic.

  • Zimmerman disobeyed police orders not to get out his car. He followed Trayvon looking for trouble. I am sure he felt sooooooo powerful with his Piece in his waistband. He not only followed Trayvon, he Caught Up With Him. Who knows what was said to Trayvon at this point? Perhaps Trayvon was DEFENDING himself from what he suddenly saw as the Lynch Mob. Trayvon was NOT looking trouble that night. Zimmerman was. Otherwise, he would have stayed in his car as instructed. He couldn’t sit still with his trigger finger itching. Mr. Wannabee Cop envisions the Limelight shining on him while he saves the neighborhood that he so desparetly wants to control. He wants to be Boss. They wouldn’t let him be a Cop. So, let’s show them who the REAL COP is!! And a 17 year old boy lay dead.

  • cherie, it would behoove you to read the facts of the case before displaying your ignorance:
    http://neoneocon.com/2013/07/16/et-tu-wsj/

    There is no evidence that Zimmerman “failed to heed police advice not to pursue Martin”, and some evidence that in fact he stopped pursuit of Martin after the dispatcher told him it wasn’t necessary to follow him. This “following” meme has taken on a life of its own, and it’s time it was put to rest.

    —According to the transcript of his 911 call, Zimmerman said “okay” after the dispatcher said he didn’t need to follow him.

    —Zimmerman mentions that he had lost sight of Martin (who had started running), and never again indicates he knows where Martin is.

    —Zimmerman had been in the car early in the call, and he only gets out of the car after the dispatcher asks him of Martin, “He’s running? Which way is he running?” That’s when he gets out of the car and tries to find the direction Martin is running in order to tell the dispatcher Martin’s probable new location if he can. It is immediately after that that the dispatcher says he doesn’t need to follow him and Zimmerman responds “okay.”

    —Zimmerman spends a great deal of time trying to describe his own whereabouts to the dispatcher so that the police can find him when they arrive. Zimmerman indicates that they should go “straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck.” That’s where he is planning to meet them, although he doesn’t know the exact address. When the dispatcher then asks for Zimmerman’s home address, he worries aloud about giving it to them, because he says,”oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is (inaudible).”

    Sure doesn’t sound like a person who is continuing to follow someone—especially since Zimmerman hasn’t even got a clue where Martin is at that point, and is making arrangements to meet the police, whom he’s hoping will get there very soon. In addition, the fight occurred not far from where the 911 call took place. If it was Zimmerman who was following Martin, why would that have happened? It’s much more likely that Martin doubled back to find Zimmerman, whom he’d gotten a bead on earlier (Zimmerman had described Martin as having stared at him while Zimmerman was in the car making the 911 call).

    This is simply no evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin after the dispatcher suggested he didn’t need to do so, and all the evidence indicates that he did not follow him. I understand why the “follow” story might be promulgated by liberals and the left. But what’s going on with the WSJ editors? Have they really paid that little attention to the facts of the case?

  • Zimmerman disobeyed police orders not to get out his car.

    No, he didn’t, per the very person who said “you don’t have to do that.” Go check out Legalinsurection.com’s coverage, she testified.

    He followed Trayvon looking for trouble.

    He followed a guy acting strangely. Hate break it to you, not unusual– have had it happen to me walking around my old complex, and I’m not a large (6’2 per his family, 158lb per the autopsy) male– and not justification of assault.

    Perhaps Trayvon was DEFENDING himself from what he suddenly saw as the Lynch Mob.

    Sudden onset terror is not justification for trying to beat someone to death.

    Trayvon was NOT looking trouble that night.

    Probably true– per his past experience, he wanted an easy victim. That is how the “knock down” game goes, after all– no fun beating the hell out of someone that gives you trouble.
    Unfortunately, the short, fat guy he attacked was able to defend himself. Guess he should’ve chosen an unarmed woman, like the prior criminals at the complex.

  • *tries to picture a one person, short, fat. soft, on the phone with the police, mob*

  • What is amazing about this conversation is that the incredible persistence in misunderstanding the facts must be willful. No one could be that obtuse not on purpose!

  • The purpose of the willful stubborn misunderstanding is to facilitate social engineering .

  • “Trayvon was NOT looking trouble that night.” (sic)

    How do you know?

    Truth is: the system failed poor, little Trayvon.

    Truth: He was staying with his father’s girl friend 200 miles away from home. He had been suspended twice from HS when he twice should have been arrested. If the local school (!!!) PD chief had not ordered his people not to arrest anyone (so he could monkey with his crime stats) your poor little predator would be safely ensconced in a FL juvenile detention center and today be still breathing.

  • “Trayvon was NOT looking trouble that night.”

    Cherie, here is a handy map of the Retreat at Twin Lakes Complex.

    http://zimmerman-vs-martin.blogspot.com/2013/01/retreat-at-twin-lakes-map.html

    1. The fight commenced at the point marked 3. (Zimmerman’s key chain was dropped at that point) and concluded at point 4. What George Zimmerman was doing there (loitering about waiting for the police to arrive) is passably explained by the call to the non-emergency police dispatcher. (Not all of his movements are explained, but his presence is explained).

    2. Point “3” is along a walkway which connects two streets which run parallel for a time. One is called “Twin Trees Lane” and the other “Retreat View Circle”. George Zimmerman’s truck was parked near where this walkway connects with “Twin Trees Lane”

    3. Trayvon Martin passed by George Zimmerman’s truck during the course of the phone call. Given the distances involved, it would have taken Trayvon Martin between 2 and 3.5 minutes to return home at an ordinary loping pace, depending on which of three routes he might use. (Zimmerman was on the phone with the dispatcher for another couple of minutes).

    4. Martin proceeded from Zimmerman’s truck up the walkway to point 3, then abruptly ran out of sight. The townhouse of Brandi Green, his father’s baby-mamma was about 85 yards away down the block (its front door facing Retreat View Circle). It would have taken him less than 20 seconds to get to the back door and get inside.

    5. Martin shows up about four minutes later and breaks George Zimmerman’s nose at some point between point “3” and point “4” on the map.

    6. Either Martin walked back up the block (85 yards or more) to where George Zimmerman was schlepping around or Martin hid in some shrubbery or hid in in some shadows and then re-emerged. Neither would be indicative of someone whose objects were benign, though I suppose you could manufacture some excuse.

  • But what’s going on with the WSJ editors? Have they really paid that little attention to the facts of the case?

    They employ ‘reporters’ at the Wall Street Journal, right? Do the reporters ever talk to the editorial writers?

    I have had to conclude that a great deal of the commentary on this has been driven by the games people play when they are trying to make a point, maintain stauts, or maintain their sense of self. That’s the only way I can make sense of it. The sequence of events is not that complicated, the inferences one might draw not that counter-intuitive, the important evidence all online and easy to locate. The assessments of culpability the Zimmerman-despisers make are just perverse and I cannot imagine ordinary people making them in the course of their daily lives or reading a low-temperature news story. I can imagine Todd Flowerday trading in that, but he’s a serial sophist. (What ever happened to Todd? “Peace, All”).

    What’s interesting about this is that its not just the usual portside status games being played. Nor are the starboard remarks confined to the usual Republicans-for-hire (Scarborough, &c). The American Spectator has published two idiot articles on the subject (one bereft of factual content but indicting Zimmerman due to a supposed resemblance to other neighborhood watch captains the author had known; the other dismissing Zimmerman as a wimp). If you are a student of starboard opinion journalism, you now know who the social climbers are.

  • RACISM IN AMERICA: A black man with pistol permit shot a white teen, and was acquitted. Unbelievably, the trial didn’t get any MSM/DOJ coverage. ‘Cuz it did not advance the narrative.

  • Perhaps if Mr. Zimmerman had possessed the intestinal fortitude to take the stand and tell the whole world the truth we would not be voicing endless subjective opinions.

  • Perhaps if Mr. Zimmerman had possessed the intestinal fortitude to take the stand and tell the whole world the truth we would not be voicing endless subjective opinions.

    1. His videotaped statements to police, both at the station house and at the scene, were entered into evidence. These were offered without counsel present.

    2. There was ample forensic, photographic, and third-party evidence of his claims.

    3. Criminal defendants seldom take the stand at their trials. It just is not done. No need to insult Mr. Zimmerman for his absence of ‘intestinal fortitude’.

  • “Perhaps if Mr. Zimmerman had possessed the intestinal fortitude to take the stand and tell the whole world the truth we would not be voicing endless subjective opinions.”

    No competent criminal lawyer will ever allow his client to testify unless necessary for an acquittal. A competent prosecuter will twist whatever the defendent says against him. Neither truth nor intestinal fortitude has anything to do with it.

  • “subjective opinions” (I repeat myself). I think that you means facts that you don’t like: they don’t support your agenda/narrative/opinions.

    Let’s try this “subjective opinion.” You couldn’t tell from DOJ race-baiting and media coverage but that 48% of Americans believe the Zimmerman verdict was correct and 34% think it wrong; and 18% (the smart ones) don’t care.

    ‘Cuz the Holder DOJ and the media exist to serve the evil, unjust regime and the sordid, subjective narrative.

  • Had I been called to jury duty, I should hope I would not have been chosen to serve on this jury. I had it clearly in my mind, just a few hours after the story broke, that the narrative presented was darned close to the truth. I could not have been an impartial juror because I sucked up the story and failed to question it further.

    Unfortunately, this is the reality of our mass media age. A narrative is put forth before facts are known. Many of us form our opinions on the basis of that narrative and, having “made sense” of it, shelve the issue. As required, we dust off our opinion and present it in as new and fresh a light as we can – like re-gifting that crystal decanter that one received as a wedding present.

    I was wrong. Wrong in the facts, wrong in how the facts I DID know fit together, wrong in my assessment of the characters of the characters, wrong in everything… That is what happens when one lets others do the thinking for us.

    I will do my darnedest to just stand down from the next story – to step back, ignore first narrative presented, and wait for facts. Please call me on it – as y’all did on this site – the next time I act like the Democrat Party’s mascot.

  • “No competent criminal lawyer will ever allow his client to testify unless necessary for an acquittal. A competent prosecuter will twist whatever the defendent says against him. Neither truth nor intestinal fortitude has anything to do with it.”

    Bingo Mike! In this case it was obvious that the prosecution was doing a lousy job and it would have been malpractice to toss them a life ring by putting Zimmerman on the stand. After an hour of agressive cross examination even Saint Francis of Assisi would come across as a liar to a jury.

  • “I will do my darnedest to just stand down from the next story – to step back, ignore first narrative presented, and wait for facts. Please call me on it – as y’all did on this site – the next time I act like the Democrat Party’s mascot.”

    O K Dave, but only if everyone also overlooks my complete misreading of the 2012 election from start to finish. Being mistaken has never been a handicap for giving an opinion on this blog! 🙂

  • I would be interested in hearing your current reading, or the changes in your perception of the 2012 election.

  • Most of the polls were way off, and Romney decided to sit on a nonexistent lead after his victory in the first debate. Obama gained his victory by keeping the turnout among blacks at record highs. This allowed him to win even though his support among whites declined. Obama’s vote declined by several million over 2008, but Romney just barely did better than McCain’s pathetic totals.

    For 2014 I think the Republicans will add to their majority in the House and stand a decent change of taking the Senate. The third election cycle of a two term President is usually a disaster for the party in power and I see no reason why Obama will fare any better.

  • Dear Donald, If there was enough evidence to get an indictment, then there is enough room to assume there are some holes somewhere in Mr. Zimmerman’s story. It would be the prosecutor’s job to find those holes in cross examination. You are suggesting that we have an incompetent judicial system that does not allow the truth to surface in the courtroom. If Mr. Zimmerman could not face the jury and the court, I am inclined to believe that there is more to the story than what we know. If he was truly free of guilt and could honestly and genuinely talk of what occurred that night, it would put everything to rest. Getting past all of that and looking forward, I think one of the problems that will surface when the smoke clears is the fact that Neighborhood Watch Vigilantes should not be allowed to carry concealed weapons. They need to have some kind of identification that alerts everyone that they are Armed and Dangerous.

  • “Dear Donald, If there was enough evidence to get an indictment, then there is enough room to assume there are some holes somewhere in Mr. Zimmerman’s story.”

    Not really. Prosecutors really can indict a ham sandwich if they wish. If judges find probable cause, a very low standard indeed, cases proceed on their merry way, even if the evidence is lacking to gain a conviction. I have been doing criminal defense for over three decades and pathetically weak prosecutions are not terribly uncommon.

    “You are suggesting that we have an incompetent judicial system that does not allow the truth to surface in the courtroom.”

    We have an adversarial system governed by elaborate rules of evidence and procedure. Evidence that may be true, such as hearsay statements, is excluded all the time.

    “If Mr. Zimmerman could not face the jury and the court, I am inclined to believe that there is more to the story than what we know.”

    The right not to be compelled to testify is a precious right for any defendant in a criminal prosecution. People who are not attorneys really cannot imagine how devastating skillful cross examination can be in the eyes of jurors. Zimmerman had no requirement to prove his innocence; the State had the burden of proving his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and the prosecution team failed miserably in their attempt to do so.

    “Getting past all of that and looking forward, I think one of the problems that will surface when the smoke clears is the fact that Neighborhood Watch Vigilantes should not be allowed to carry concealed weapons.”

    Actually I think Trayvon Martin’s assault on Zimmerman shows the wisdom of concealed carry laws. I hope that the next thug who seeks to pound someone who looks at him cross-eyed into the ground might benefit from Mr. Martin’s sad fate. It is a tragedy that he died at 17, and my heart goes out to his parents, but like most of us Mr. Martin determined his own destiny through his choices and decisions. In any case what Zimmerman did, based upon the evidence, was clearly self-defense and he should not have been prosecuted.

  • ” …but like most of us Mr. Martin determined his own destiny through his choices and decisions. In any case what Zimmerman did, based upon the evidence, was clearly self-defense and he should not have been prosecuted. ”

    Now, (an example reported as follows) the hapless victims of the irresponsible, atrocious politics of community organizing have become literal thugs.

    ‘ BLACK MOB HITS HOLLYWOOD: Hollywood Hit by Roaming Band of Robbers, Police Say

    At least 14 people were taken into custody Tuesday night and many more remained at large after marauding bands of young people conducted a string of robberies, assaults and acts of vandalism along Hollywood Boulevard, Los Angeles police said late Tuesday.The robbers knocked down tourists and grabbed their phones, Kato said. In at least one incident, they hauled off a cash register from a business. There were no reports of weapons involved in the attacks.
    http://clashdaily.com/2013/07/black-mob-hits-hollywood-hollywood-hit-by-roaming-band-of-robbers-police-say/

  • Dear Donald, If there was enough evidence to get an indictment, then there is enough room to assume there are some holes somewhere in Mr. Zimmerman’s story.

    You apparently missed the part where he wasn’t indicted until outside pressures forced it.

  • Cherie Frances Glover wrote, “If there was enough evidence to get an indictment, then there is enough room to assume there are some holes somewhere in Mr. Zimmerman’s story.”

    As a former Advocate-Depute, I can assure you that is not the case. If the precognitions, which are all the prosecutor has to go on, establish that A killed B and A denies guilt on any ground, it is not for the prosecutor to judge the credibility and reliability of A and his witnesses. That is the function of the jury. It is for the prosecutor to decide whether there is sufficient, that is corroborated, evidence on which a jury, properly directed, could (not will) convict.

    Or suppose A is found in possession of recently stolen goods. He tells the police he bought them from B. Unless the circumstances are wholly exceptional, if B denies it, I would indict A for theft; I should, of course, call B as a Crown witness, thus giving A’s counsel the benefit of cross-examining him and discrediting him. It would be oppressive to leave A to call him and I am sure that, if a prosecutor attempted it, the court would intervene, by deserting the diet.

    If B admits selling the goods to A, I would indict them “both and each or one or other of them, of the crime of theft or of the crime of reset, or of one or other of them, guilty, actors or actor or art and part,” followed by a narrative of the facts, thus giving full scope to the jury to decide. That, by the by, would probably force both of them into the witness box, where they would be cross-examined both by the Crown and each other’s counsel.

    Written statements are one thing, but observing the demeanour of the witnesses in court and under cross-examination is, often, very different. The prosecutor’s initial opinion on guilt or innocence is very nearly worthless; indeed, he may have no opinion on the matter at all.

  • Dear Donald, If there was enough evidence to get an indictment, then there is enough room to assume there are some holes somewhere in Mr. Zimmerman’s story.

    Cherie, the former chief justice of New York, Sol Wachtler, is the source of the aphorism that a grand jury would ‘indict a ham sandwich’ if a prosecutor so instructed. At that time (ca. 1990), grand juries in New York returned a finding of “no true bill” a grand total of 0.3% of the time. Angela Corey could not even be bothered to put this case in front of a grand jury; the equivalent of an indictment was secured by her signature on an affidavit of probable cause, an affidavit Alan Dershowitz called fraudulent.

  • If Mr. Zimmerman could not face the jury and the court, I am inclined to believe that there is more to the story than what we know.

    You are inclined?

    It is unremarkable that there are lacunae in a sequence of events taking place over a period of 6 or 7 minutes; the lacunae are not necessarily decisive in assessing guilt.

    In this case, there is an autopsy report, crime scene photographs, the statement of eyewitness John Good, forensic testimony about the path of the bullet, the recording of Zimmerman’s call to the non-emergency dispatcher, and the deductions to be made from Trayvon Martin’s evident movements throughout the complex. Zimmerman’s statements are not strictly necessary to piece together what happened.

    The only ‘more to the story’ that might be of any interest is if Zimmerman antecedently smacked at Martin, chased him, or lunged at him. That would raise the bar to making a valid self-defense claim. None of the neighbors heard even a verbal interjection (e.g. “hey you”). The testimony of Martin’s phone friend Rachel Jeantel offered no illumination of how it was that Martin came to be 85 yards away from his temporary residence 3.5 minutes after he could have been home sipping his iced tea and viewing whatever sporting event there was on the tube. The witness Selene Bahadoor, who thought she saw someone chasing someone else, was taken apart on cross-examination (and even she could not testify who was chasing who; given the direction, the thesis that Martin was chasing Zimmerman would be your default choice).

    Oh, but you are quite sure that “Trayvon Martin was Not looking for trouble”, and that “Zimmerman disobeyed police orders not to get out his car.” (Demonstrably untrue. The entire 4 minute conversation with the police dispatcher has been available online for more than a year).

    Give it up, sister.

  • I sat on two courts martial during my time. The myth was that when the JAG had enough to convene a court, the alleged perp was guilty. And, military justice is to justice as military music is to music.

    Not so, we acquitted both troops in both courts martial.

    I do not think it’s incomepetence. The judicial system is corrupt.

    This witch hunt/show trial was a DOJ-attempted persecution of a Latino intended to stir the Obama racist base for the 2012 election.

    Now, the acquittal is a distraction for the horrid economy and the 20, or so, major scandals the MSM cheerleaders (hated FOXNews is the only “15 year-old girl” not “sleeping” with Obama) are suppressing.

    The question remains, “What if these people that hate whites were born that way?”

  • Michelle Malkin has called the Zimmerman/Martin affair a “Weapon of Mass Distraction”. Clever and probably right. Wiped clean from news coverage are the NSA, IRS, Fast & Furious scandals, the Obamacare train wreck, the comatose economy, and the collapse of our foreign policy. Holder also attempts to whittle away at our fundamental right to self-defense by his remarks before the NAACP in Florida. We have far too much community organizing and not enough leadership from the current President, and most of it not in the best interest of the free constitutional republic into which we were born. May God and our conscience help and guide us out of this mess.

  • Dear Donald, you wrote:
    Actually I think Trayvon Martin’s assault on Zimmerman shows the wisdom of concealed carry laws. I hope that the next thug who seeks to pound someone who looks at him cross-eyed into the ground might benefit from Mr. Martin’s sad fate. It is a tragedy that he died at 17, and my heart goes out to his parents, but like most of us Mr. Martin determined his own destiny through his choices and decisions. In any case what Zimmerman did, based upon the evidence, was clearly self-defense and he should not have been prosecuted.
    in reply,
    I am saddened that you are so hardened. You speak so flippiantly about a deceased young man you did not know. We should be discussiing how to end the gun violence. You were not there in those final moments, we won’t know unless Zimmerman truthfully tells us the whole story. What if Trayvon had been on top during the fray and when he felt he had safely subdued his predator, stood up, at which time Zimmerman had enough leeway to easily reach for his Weapon and FIRE. You are correct, this is truly a tragedy. As Catholics, we should be concerned with prevention, not in advocating more violence. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide, not the gun lobby.

  • cherie- you don’t mention the potentially fatal violence perpetrated by Martin. If the gun fired that night had been at just a little different angle Martin may have lived. George did not fire again or try to make sure he was dead; George was distraught when told that Martin had died. I would say that George’s intent was not so much to kill, as it was to save himself. It seems that Martin’s violence was to inflict great and potentially fatal injury to a person he had profiled as a creepy *** cracker.

  • What if pigs could fly?

  • “You speak so flippiantly about a deceased young man you did not know.”

    No, I did not speak flippantly. Mr. Martin attacked Mr. Zimmerman and met the fate of thugs who decide to attack the wrong victim, i.e. someone who has the means to defend himself.

    “We should be discussing how to end the gun violence.”

    Perhaps we could begin by having an honest discussion as to why most murders involving guns consist of black on black attacks. The fact that Mr. Martin died of a gunshot wound does not, sadly, make him unusual. What is unusual is that the man who killed him was not black, or at least he was not considered to be black by the mainstream media. We do not have a gun violence problem in this country. Rather we have a problem with out of control criminal violence in predominantly black urban areas due to many factors with the collapse of the black family being the prime culprit. Blaming guns for this problem is intensely silly.

    “What if Trayvon had been on top during the fray and when he felt he had safely subdued his predator, stood up, at which time Zimmerman had enough leeway to easily reach for his Weapon and FIRE.”

    Your hypothetical completely contradicts the autopsy report, as well as libeling Zimmerman as a “predator”.
    “The Volusia County medical examiner found that Martin was killed by an injury resulting from a single gunshot to the chest, fired at “intermediate range”, between 1 and 18 inches according to a forensic expert.[8][Note 6] An FDLE analysis of Martin’s body and clothes described the distance as “a contact shot”.[115] The autopsy also found that Martin had one small abrasion on his left ring finger below the knuckle. No other injuries were found on Martin’s body at the time of his death.[8] Physicians who reviewed the official autopsy report for the Orlando Sentinel, stated in their opinion that Martin lived from 20 seconds to several minutes after he was shot, and that Martin likely remained conscious “for a little time, anyway”.[116]”

    The autopsy report substantiates what the witnesses reported: Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating him, when Zimmerman fired.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-beaten-prosecution-witnesses/story?id=19517236

    “Let the Holy Spirit be your guide, not the gun lobby.”

    Somehow I rather think the Holy Spirit has little interest in making certain that only criminals, and the State, possess guns.

  • Prevention – We can not reasonably prevent gun ownership or sidewalks or ball bats or knives … Prevention of bad human behavior doesn’t deal with the implements of fighting as much as it does with the human heart.

    There could have been some prevention here. Stolen goods and burglary tools? Martin’s school and his parents and the general societal attitude of disrespect and moral apathy could be seen as indirect causes, where early prevention and good guidance might have been helpful for the anger and resentment. Sadly,he was brought up and formed in a broken home, as so many of young rebellious people are. That hurts more than people admit.
    But he was well past the age of reason and he could have himself prevented trouble by going home and calling 911 if he thought he was being followed by someone threatening.
    I don’t think of sweeping changes to the law, but repentance and renewal in individuals families and churches from Florida to Chicago, from NY to LA. Wouldn’t it be great if these kinds of troubles would lead us to a revival of faith, instead of more breakdown.
    I am not blaming Martin’s mom and dad particularly–one broken home is one thing– but when most of society seems to be a broken home; schools are at a loss, entertainment is reprehensible, and the dignity of the human person doesn’t seem to be recognized anywhere, young people flock to fight training, because that’s the way they see life.

  • i hear you t shaw 😉 Yes it is what it is- I was just reacting to George being called “predator” and to say the outcome could have been very different. Another clarification: I am not pointing out that Other People or Society need repentance and revival- I mean me too.

  • I am saddened that you are so hardened. You speak so flippiantly about a deceased young man you did not know.

    He tried to kill some dude that he didn’t know.

    How can you be so hardened about Zimmerman, just because he DIDN’T DIE?

  • Oh, wait; his not-a-girlfriend-girl-friend says that Martin wasn’t trying to really hurt Zimmerman, it was just an “*sswhuppin.”

    Which implies that Martin was in the habit of assaulting people enough to send them to the hospital but not the morgue, because it was normal in his circles.

    Incidentally, Seattle has a couple of deaths a year from what were probably</i just supposed to be “*sswhuppins.” Most famous was the Tuba Man– feel free to search for that. I’m sure you can spin some sort of story where he was a predator, too.

  • You were not there in those final moments, we won’t know unless Zimmerman truthfully tells us the whole story.

    Madam, simply recycling falsehoods in a discussion does not convert them into true statements. The autopsy report, eyewitness testimony, the recording of Zimmerman’s call to the police dispatcher, crime scene photographs, and a map of the complex will give you a satisfactory idea of the sequence of events. There will be some lacunae. As for what Zimmerman tells, his videotaped statements at the police, including station house interrogation and a re-enactment undertaken at the scene were introduced into evidence. He told his story, it is just that you are not listening, as you are not reading and digesting what people say to you here.

  • The principle of self-defence is a simple one, but not necessarily easy of application.

    To justify causing death, there must be violence so extreme or continued, without the person attacked having the means of getting away, as to cause reasonable alarm of serious injury to the person. Repeated blows, even with the fist, might infer a murderous intent on the part of the assailant. But it seems reasonable, in such a case, to require very strong evidence of continued and outrageous abuse before presuming such a murderous purpose as justifies resort to lethal force.

  • MP-S would strong evidence be being pinned to the ground while someone smashes your head into the cement?

    Too many ppl fail to understand that one “good” blow to the head can kill. A fist fight can be a life or death situation. I have a God given right to self-defense and I will assert that right.

    Cherie F Glover – I will pray for you that you start living in the real world not the fantasy land you are living in full of “what ifs” and ignoring the facts.

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  • A black teenager, Trayvon Martin, is accosted while walking home. He is guilty of no crime, suspected of no crime. He has every reason to be where he is. He does, however, look “suspicious” to a mania-driven neighborhood “watchman” with a Rambo fantasy. (What exactly looked “suspicious” was never explained.) This gun-toting Good Neighbor, George Zimmerman, has decided there will be a confrontation if he has to instigate it himself. Zimmerman stalks the teen for ten minutes—in a car and then on foot—and shoots him square in the chest when Martin finally reacts. The killer is hailed a hero, the teen is relegated to the ranks of all the other “suspicious” black men we are lucky to be rid of. No harm, no foul.

    What about the good-hearted neighbor with such benevolent purity of intention? His history reveals a credible accusation by a relative of sexual abuse; documented domestic violence with an ex-fiancee; and documented harassment and racist taunts toward a former co-worker who was so happy when Zimmerman left his job he threw a party. We are asked to believe that a man of such demonstrably low character would then make the judicious decision that it was necessary to kill an unarmed teenager because of an “imminent threat.” It doesn’t pass the smell test.

    The concept of legitimate self-defense has been turned on its head and is now a caricature of itself. In the Zimmerman case, it has morphed into the kind of lawlessness conservatives used to decry. This new paradigm permits one individual to forcibly engage another in a public venue—to restrain, intimidate, and harass him—until a physical altercation finally occurs and it becomes “necessary” to kill. This new paradigm manifestly declares,”You are not free. You must assent–or prove why you shouldn’t.” Failure to comply is now a reason to be killed.

    Trayvon Martin was operating under a faulty presumption: that he had the same rights as any other law-abiding citizen. That he had the right to keep walking, to direct his own movement, to determine his own associations. That he had the right to defend his personal space against hostile intrusion. That he had autonomy over his own person, the right to refuse communication with an unidentified stranger without having to explain himself. That we had the autonomy we’re supposed to grant even tall, black teenagers wearing hoodies, or tattoed counterculturists with eight earrings in one ear, or anti-social old men in dirty shirts who just want to be left alone. He was wrong.

    George Zimmerman is not behind bars, but he will never be free. Poetic justice for a man who, in his colossal hubris, appointed himself the last and final arbiter of another man’s liberties.

  • A black teenager, Trayvon Martin, is accosted while walking home. He is guilty of no crime, suspected of no crime.

    False.
    He is noticed walking slowly, in the rain, around the back-side of houses, in the rain. He is not “accosted,” he is *followed.*

    Several minutes later, after having evaded this follower and talking on the phone for several minutes, he physically attacks this man– who, despite your slander, we have no reason to believe has “Rambo fantasies.”

    The woman that Martin was on the phone to has stated as a natural, basic assumption that Martin would assault someone with the intent of delivering an “ass whupping,” though she claims the 6’2 (according to his family), 158lb (according to autopsy) football player wouldn’t have been trying to kill the shorter, older, fat little guy.

    Unfortunately, the target for physical assault didn’t have to depend on his physical abilities, because he was armed….unlike, say, Seattle’s Tuba Man, or most woman victims.

  • Trayvon Martin was operating under a faulty presumption: that he had the same rights as any other law-abiding citizen

    False.

    The evidence, including his only injures being a scraped knuckle and the point-blank gun shot wound, indicate that Martin believed he had the right to physically assault others.

  • “A black teenager, Trayvon Martin, is accosted while walking home.”

    Actually it was Mr. Martin who accosted Mr. Zimmerman which led to the death of Mr. Martin.

    “He is guilty of no crime, suspected of no crime.”

    Which probably was a change of pace for Mr. Martin, as he was suspended from school after jewelry not his somehow found its way into his backpack. He was a devotee of “Lean” , and he had purchased some of the ingredients to make it on the date in question. His text messages indicated that he was a devotee of this dangerous cheap high as did the damage to his liver which his autopsy revealed.

    “He does, however, look “suspicious” to a mania-driven neighborhood “watchman” with a Rambo fantasy.”

    How dare Mr. Zimmerman attempt to keep his neighbors safe from crime.

    “Zimmerman stalks the teen for ten minutes—in a car and then on foot—and shoots him square in the chest when Martin finally reacts.”

    Martin had every opportunity to walk home or call the cops. Instead he confronted Zimmerman, and was in the process of beating his head into the pavement when Zimmerman shot him in self defense.

    “The killer is hailed a hero, the teen is relegated to the ranks of all the other “suspicious” black men we are lucky to be rid of.”

    Actually this is completely the reverse. Martin was hailed as an innocent victim instead of the thug he was and Zimmerman, one-quarter black, was magically transformed by the media into a “white Hispanic” and a devil figure for the left in this country. Zimmerman quickly found himself facing a criminal prosecution for which there was no evidence due to the need of the Obama administration to whip up the black vote for last year’s election.

    “His history reveals a credible accusation by a relative of sexual abuse; documented domestic violence with an ex-fiancee; and documented harassment and racist taunts toward a former co-worker who was so happy when Zimmerman left his job he threw a party.”

    His history actually reveals a man who campaigned against a local cop who beat a black homeless man. Zimmerman handed out fliers and went to black churches as part of his campaign that led to the prosecution of the cop. As part of the neighborhood watch Zimmerman phoned in whites as acting suspiciously in his neighborhood, and warned cops that a black kid was in jeopardy because he didn’t seem to have an adult taking care of him. He is also a registered Democrat and voted for Obama in 2008. An FBI investigation found no racial motivation by Zimmerman.

    “The concept of legitimate self-defense has been turned on its head and is now a caricature of itself.”

    You are joking right? Martin is on top of Zimmerman, beating him and telling him he is going to die, and you wonder if Zimmerman had a right to self-defense? Prosecution witnesses testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. This was a clear case of a self-defense shooting and there was no grounds to prosecute, as the local cops found after their initial investigation before the case was taken away from them.

    “Trayvon Martin was operating under a faulty presumption: that he had the same rights as any other law-abiding citizen.”

    Mr. Martin’s faulty presumption was that he thought he had the right to physically assault someone who had done him no harm. I guess it never occurred to him to call the cops, simply go home or do many other things that would have left him quite alive. Instead he attacked Zimmerman and made the fatal mistake of attempting to beat someone who could fight back.

    “George Zimmerman is not behind bars, but he will never be free.”

    Free? I will be surprised if he does not end up dead, and all for the sake of politics.

  • leslie, your account is notable for being innocent of established facts (some of which are discussed above). Mr. Zimmerman’s call to the police dispatcher is available on Youtube. You can listen to the whole four minutes. Maps of the complex are available online and a discussion of their implications can be found on the “Wagist” site. The autopsy report is available with a little online searching. Photographs taken at the scene of Mr. Zimmerman are also available. The testimony of John Good should also be available. It is not that difficult to do a little inductive reasoning and reconstruct the salient events. The two questions you need to ask are as follows:

    1. Given that it has been established that Mr. Zimmerman was on his back being beaten at the time he shot Martin, could he have a valid self-defense claim?

    2. What if anything occurred prior to Martin beating Zimmerman would vitiate Zimmerman’s self-defense claim? (Hint: the correct answer is “nothing that anyone knows”).

    Happy trails.

  • Donald M McLarey wrote “You are joking right? Martin is on top of Zimmerman, beating him and telling him he is going to die, and you wonder if Zimmerman had a right to self-defense?”

    There is still the question of excessive self-defence, a matter that was recently considered by the High Court of Justiciary, when a man repeatedly stabbed a jealous ex-boyfriend of his girlfriend who broke into their house and assailed him with a baseball bat. Please read the judgment, which is very short.

    http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2013HCJAC61.html

    He was sentenced to ten years’ imprisonment for Culpable Homicide, reduced to seven on appeal. The judgment has been widely welcomed as an indication that the knife culture has no place in a civilised country

  • Read the decision MPS. It is idiocy on stilts and makes me say, for the 1019th time, thank God for 1776!

    http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/policy-report/2004/3/cpr-26n2-1.pdf

  • Donald: Thank you for the CATO report on the criminalization of self-defense in the UK. Is this what Obama has in mind for us, as he launches his campaign against “Stand your Ground” laws? Is this why he has politicized the Zimmerman case?

  • I doubt he has any master plan other than ensuring that blacks come out to vote in large numbers in 2014. This administration has always been about short term political gain, and hang the consequences.

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/bored-with-obama/2/

  • Donald R McClarey

    “The jury in fact found that there had been excessive force….”

    What is reasonable is eminently a question of fact. In Haddon’s case, the Crown obviously satisfied at least eight out of the fifteen that the degree of force was not justified.

    Scottish juries (I cannot speak for the rest of the UK) pretty closely mirror public attitudes

  • “Scottish juries (I cannot speak for the rest of the UK) pretty closely mirror public attitudes”

    More is the pity. I guess a Scotsman’s home is not his castle, even when an intruder comes in with a baseball bat to wreak havoc on the inhabitants.

Bizarre

Friday, July 12, AD 2013

I have been practicing law for three decades in Illinois and I have never seen anything like the above video when a defendant in a criminal case is represented by counsel.  I will defer to any Florida attorney who can indicate if the above video reflects common legal procedure in Florida, but in Illinois whether a defendant in a criminal case is going to testify is not something the defense counsel is going to indicate.  The ability to keep the prosecution guessing as to whether the defendant is going to testify is a key advantage of the defense.  When a defendant is represented by counsel in Illinois it is assumed that in a criminal case counsel has advised the defendant of his right to testify or keep silent at trial.  If a plea bargain is entered into in Illinois in a criminal case then the judge will advise the defendant of all of his rights prior to accepting the plea bargain.  Other than that, the time for such admonishments is at arraignment prior to a plea being entered, and certainly not during the trial.

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  • Practice in Texas is similar to Illinois – the judge would not bring it up during trial for represented defendants.

    I wonder if she is trying to build in reversible error hoping for the following scenario: the jury convicts of manslaughter, this somewhat appeases the mob and avoids the worst of rioting, GZ appeals and then the conviction gets overturned after everyone has forgotten about it.

  • I’ve been thinking along the same line as c matt for a few weeks now.

    Even without this particular incident, this judge has created reversible error throughout the proceedings with the way she has conducted this trial.

    However, that would just delay the inevitable mob reaction to an acquittal/reversal. I don’t doubt for a second that a later reversal of the conviction on appeal would still cause the grievance industry to swing into full-scale riot mode. And Lord knows our President would make some stupid comment to stoke the fires.

  • In Scotland, the decision to call the pannel is taken at the close of the prosecution case, after any submission of no case to answer. If the defence lead witnesses, the pannel must go first, so that he cannot tailor his testimony to what his witnesses say. If more than one, they are called in the order they appear in the indictment.

Racism, State Power and the Zimmerman Prosecution

Thursday, July 11, AD 2013

 

 

 

After more than three decades at the bar, little shocks me about courts and how they operate.  I confess, however, that I am shocked by the George Zimmerman prosecution.  First, that it was brought at all with virtually no evidence that could lead to a guilty verdict by any honest jury and, second, the way in which it has been conducted.  However, what shocks me as a lawyer does not shock me when I view it as an example of current racial politics in this country.  Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson who has been covering the trial at his blog Legal Insurrection, explains:

 

 

We also knew that Eric Holder had the DOJ investigate the case, and that the FBI found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist or motivated by racism.

What we didn’t know until today was that the DOJ supported some of the anti-Zimmerman rallies, as disclosed by Judicial Watch (which also is helping me with my lawsuit to obtain David Gregory non-prosecution records from D.C.): Judicial Watch announced today that it has obtained documents in response to local, state, and federal records requests revealing that a little-known unit of the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Community Relations Service (CRS), was deployed to Sanford, FL, following the Trayvon Martin shooting to help organize and manage rallies and protests against George Zimmerman.

The way the trial has been conducted is an equal travesty. The prosecution is throwing everything against the wall, including conflicting and inconsistent theories that Trayvon was on the bottom of the fight screaming and alternatively that Trayvon was on top pulling back. Similarly the prosecution creates obsessive distractions such as whether Zimmerman “followed” Martin, even though that is legally irrelevant. We have had the strange spectacle of the prosecution attacking its own police witnesses who had the temerity to believe George Zimmerman’s story and find it consistent and credible. The law enforcement world has been turned on its head in this prosecution, because it had to be turned on its head to justify the prosecution.

If you want to understand just how dirty this prosecution case has been, consider one bit of evidence which probably slipped by most viewers. The prosecution elicited testimony from defense gun shot wound forensic expert Vincent DiMaio that he participated in studies of gunshot wounds on live animals (under a federally regulated and sanctioned program in which the animals were under anesthesia). What’s the relevance of that? Nothing. Except that the prosecution knew that there were animal owners on the jury, and this was an attempt to poison the jury on something having nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of George Zimmerman.

It’s all coming together in this case.

Racial politics supported by State power.

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  • “Cuz, from day-one, it was about hyper-activating the race base for the November 2012election than about Trayvon Martin or (gasp) (pregnant pause) justice.

    It is always this way with tyrants.

  • From the CRS’ website:

    “CRS does not take sides among disputing parties and, in promoting the principles and ideals of non-discrimination, applies skills that allow parties to come to their own agreement. In performing this mission, CRS deploys highly skilled professional conciliators, who are able to assist people of diverse backgrounds.”

    Yep.

  • Instapundit: “It was important for the Obama Administration to increase racial polarization so as to boost black turnout in 2012.”

  • The Community Relations Service is a fine example of a useless agency which endures because no one was attentive enough to seek to abolish it. The federal government is festooned with cruddy little dumps like that. The misfeasance they have demonstrated here is all the more reason to drive a stake through its heart.

    It’s your trade, so you might educate us. From a distance, it appears that the miasma is flowing from the public prosecutor’s office in Jacksonville. A law professor quoted by Jeralyn Merritt offered the opinion that Gov. Scott had (willy nilly?) selected from among the state’s D.A.’s the one most ill-suited to handle the task at hand. The fish rots from the head down, so it stands to reason that she attracts and retains assistants who are just as exhibitionistic and unethical as their boss. Mark Geragos, Alan Dershowitz, and Jeralyn Merritt have said the conduct of the special prosecutor’s office has been quite extraordinary and unprofessional. Mark O’Mara supposedly told an interviewer that he had not had many occasions in 26 years of practice to file a discovery motion in a criminal case, and every last one had been filed in this case. The other distressing thing has been that at least one and perhaps two of the three judges who have presided over this case have been handmaidens of the prosecution.

  • There could be prayer vigils for justice and peace outside the courthouse and in congregations. What a different tenor that would be.

    I notice that all the noise outlets including Fox refer to George by his last name and Martin by his first.

  • We’re truly inching towards Banana Republic status –
    “Prosecutors Drop One Charge, Add Third Degree Murder Charge, Premised on Underlying Charge of… Felony Child Abuse”
    http://minx.cc/?post=341573

  • Thank you for that link, Paul Zummo. If the prosecution can add charges
    after the defense has rested, then could someone please explain why
    we even bother to have arraignments these days?

  • Now it looks like the Judge has ruled against the prosecution on the extra charge. So at least a little sanity prevails.
    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/11/prosecutor-to-judge-can-we-also-charge-zimmerman-with-third-degree-murder-based-on-er-child-abuse/

    To clarify – the Judge has permitted the jury to consider the lesser manslaughter charge, but not the 3rd Degree murder based on child abuse one.

  • I suspect that instructing the jury to consider a felony murder charge when no evidence was presented of an underlying crime (nor any allegation in the indictment) would have been too transparent.

  • Murder charges were always a joke, but none of this would’ve happened if Zimmerman didn’t have delusions of superhero grandeur.

  • Murder charges were always a joke, but none of this would’ve happened if Zimmerman didn’t have delusions of superhero grandeur.

    There is no evidence he had such delusions. Put your imagination away and read the autopsy report, listen to the recordings of the various calls to the police, look at the crime scene photos, and stop being an ass.

  • “From a distance, it appears that the miasma is flowing from the public prosecutor’s office in Jacksonville. A law professor quoted by Jeralyn Merritt offered the opinion that Gov. Scott had (willy nilly?) selected from among the state’s D.A.’s the one most ill-suited to handle the task at hand. The fish rots from the head down, so it stands to reason that she attracts and retains assistants who are just as exhibitionistic and unethical as their boss. Mark Geragos, Alan Dershowitz, and Jeralyn Merritt have said the conduct of the special prosecutor’s office has been quite extraordinary and unprofessional. Mark O’Mara supposedly told an interviewer that he had not had many occasions in 26 years of practice to file a discovery motion in a criminal case, and every last one had been filed in this case. The other distressing thing has been that at least one and perhaps two of the three judges who have presided over this case have been handmaidens of the prosecution. ”

    All true Art. I have never seen a case where it is more obvious that the fix is in. Fortunately Zimmerman has had competent counsel and the State hasn’t.

  • Kind of think the riots may be a goal, though not the goal.

    More division, there will probably be at least one murder if riots happen– probably more, especially of folks who make the “wrong” determination– and lo, many more crises to avoid wasting.

  • Art,

    It doesn’t take much imagination to see what GZ was up to. Here was a neighborhood watch captain – a busybody function with Bruce Wayne delusions if ever there was one – who was armed and following a teenager despite instructions from authorities not to do so. Even if Martin was the one who precipitated the use of violence, it was Zimmerman who precipitated the confrontation. I think that is fairly clear from the facts.

    Was the name calling really necessary?

  • Here was a neighborhood watch captain – a busybody function with Bruce Wayne delusions if ever there was one

    A guy who actually cared enough about his neighbors to look for criminals, even though it was no skin off his nose.

    who was armed

    As is his legal right, even when making a run to the store on a rainy evening.

    following a teenager despite instructions from authorities not to do so

    Who followed a drug using thug that was bigger and more fit than himself who bragged about assaulting people, was booted out of school in part for having burglary tools in the same manner that construction workers had followed another criminal earlier that week, and when told by the 911 operator that he did not have to get the exact address of his location (instructions which were explicitly stated to be for liability reasons, not for any force-of-law reason) after losing sight of Martin, headed back to his car.

    Even if Martin was the one who precipitated the use of violence, it was Zimmerman who precipitated the confrontation.

    Two guys walking around on a dark, stormy night.
    The one that’s at fault is the one that was attacked and defended himself after his worthless neighbors heard his screams for help and went back inside for the phone, rather than at least running out to yell at the assailant.

    I think that is fairly clear from the facts.

    Anything can be “clear from the facts” when you ignore or make up facts to support your view.

  • Here was a neighborhood watch captain – a busybody function with Bruce Wayne delusions if ever there was one…

    Based on what had been happening at Retreat at Twin Lakes prior to this incident, I would say that a neighborhood watch captain is hardly a busybody function. Of course, if enlightened citizens like yourself were to step up and take over those roles, the Bruce Wayne wannabe’s of this world would have to stay home in their Batman pyjamas playing video games. But that didn’t happen, did it?

    If you do live in a neighborhood that has no need of a neighborhood watch, good for you. I suppose it’s a cushy place from which to lob potshots at those like Zimmerman who stick their necks out. I’m very sorry for Trayvon Martin – he did not deserve to die. But a passing glance at the selfies on his phone indicates that he too had delusions of grandeur, of a thuggier kind. I suspect they had some party to play in this tragedy as well.

  • Here was a neighborhood watch captain – a busybody function with Bruce Wayne delusions if ever there was one

    As opposed to playing amateur pop psychologist based on no evidence whatsoever.

    who was armed and following a teenager despite instructions from authorities not to do so

    A blatant misrepresentation of the facts often repeated by those whose sole source of information is the mainstream media. Zimmerman was merely told by a 911 operator that he “didn’t need to do that,” but she had no authority one way or the other to tell him not to follow Martin.

    Even if Martin was the one who precipitated the use of violence, it was Zimmerman who precipitated the confrontation.

    Balderdash. Zimmerman did nothing more than to monitor the behavior of someone who fit the profile of others who had committed crimes in the neighborhood. By your logic anyone who dares actively engage in a neighborhood watch is guilty of precipitating a confrontation.

    I think that is fairly clear from the facts.

    No, it is not.

  • @Foxfier

    Who followed a drug using thug … who bragged about assaulting people, was booted out of school in part for having burglary tools

    None of which was known to GZ at the time. This is pure blame the victim stuff.

    Two guys walking around on a dark, stormy night.

    No, not just walking around – one was watching the other. That’s a big difference. I don’t know if you’ve ever been followed by a stranger before, but it’s disturbing. Maybe Trayvon Martin was casing houses to burglarize, which gave him extra incentive to be on edge. We don’t know all the details.

  • @HA

    If you do live in a neighborhood that has no need of a neighborhood watch, good for you.

    Actually, I do have a neighborhood watch, and just a few days ago the watch captain almost sprayed mace at my 15 lb. dog that had escaped (and posed no real threat to anyone or anything) and my 9 year old son who was trying to catch the dog. She screamed hysterically at my son. This experience was not an outlier but rather indicative of my previous encounters with neighborhood watch captains. Maybe GZ was different, but if we’re going to start profiling people… Let’s just say there’s a certain type of person.

  • What was known to Zimmerman at the time was that Martin attacked him, straddled him, was punching him and then threatened to kill him.

    There’s blaming of the victim going on, but only because he had the bad form to survive.

    I have been followed by people before. I don’t turn around and assault them, I do not lose them and then assault them, I don’t even lose them and then turn around to confront them. If I’d been scared enough that I even THOUGHT I’d need to fight to escape, I’d be calling 911 instead of talking big to my not-a-girlfriend, who feels the need to tell me not to “play with” the guy.

  • @Paul Zummo

    As opposed to playing amateur pop psychologist based on no evidence whatsoever.

    No evidence? Let’s see, I have my own experiences with neighborhood watch captains (see above) plus years of interaction with police officers listening to their accounts of watch captains, as well as my own experience with community and police relations gathered through my own academic research at a think tank. Never mind what we can infer from the evidence in this particular case. Yeah, I’m just making this up off the cuff. If you think I’m guilty of profiling, well then… Talk to George Zimmerman about that practice.

    A blatant misrepresentation of the facts

    How so? He was following TM and the dispatcher told him he didn’t need to do that. If he hadn’t been following him, I don’t see how they could’ve ended up in a confrontation in the first place. I’m not misrepresenting those facts.

    she had no authority one way or the other to tell him not to follow Martin.

    That’s beside the point. I’m not making a legal argument, I’m saying that the confrontation was initiated due to GZ. That’s a factual statement – TM did not go out that night seeking GZ; GZ was looking for… something.

    Zimmerman did nothing more than to monitor the behavior of someone who fit the profile of others who had committed crimes in the neighborhood.

    He did a little more than monitor someone’s behavior; it’s not as though he was passively looking through his window. He was engaged in some kind of patrol when he profiled TM. And when he notified the authorities about the suspicious behavior, he could’ve stopped there and gone home, but he didn’t. Which is somewhat understandable, given the recent crime in the area – he wanted to do something about it. But in hindsight, we can see what a poor decision that was.

    Look, it’s entirely possible to hold simultaneously the view that (a) the state has no murder case and never had one, and (b) that the lack of a murder case doesn’t exonerate GZ and elevate him to hero status. He shares some culpability in all this. That’s not an outrageous claim.

  • What was known to Zimmerman at the time was that Martin attacked him

    No, you’re getting your chronology wrong. Martin hadn’t done anything at that point except “staring at houses” and “looking real suspicious.” GZ knew nothing of Martin’s criminal record or lack thereof. He was a young, black male in a hoodie walking through a neighborhood at night in the rain… Maybe that was enough to call the police, but this was a racially diverse neighborhood, after all, and his father did live there…

  • Yeah, I’m just making this up off the cuff.

    Well at least you admit it.

    that the lack of a murder case doesn’t exonerate GZ and elevate him to hero status.

    Somewhere some poor Isrealites are left without means of manufacturing bricks again because all of their straw has been taken to construct that argument.

  • If I had to make a judgment, I hope if I erred it would be on the side of mercy. God knows I need it myself

  • Actually, I do have a neighborhood watch, and just a few days ago the watch captain almost sprayed mace at my 15 lb. dog…

    Yeah, and the next time a house in your neighborhood doesn’t get broken into because the thief would just as soon steer clear of the hyper, mace-spraying crazy lady, I suppose you’ll thank her then. Or maybe not.

    In any case, will you ever decide to pitch in and serve a term or two of your own, so the community, including small dogs and children, can bask in in the righteousness of your own benevolent gaze? I’m guessing that’s not going to happen either and if it does, no one will be more pleased than the robbers at the happy-go-lucky new sheriff in town.

    And with regard to cheap shots about Bruce Wayne syndromes, I don’t think there’s a cop or a soldier or fireman, or school crossing guard for that matter, that doesn’t have, deep down, a kind of superhero delusion, just as I have yet to meet any sincere Christian who doesn’t have a messiah complex they have to struggle with. And yes, every time they step out and try to do the right thing and it blows up in their faces (which, if they’re human, happens frequently) there will be no shortage of jackasses gloating over their downfall. But unless you want to claim that the world would be a better place without neighborhood watch captains – and if that’s the case, you’re the one with delusions – you’re going to have to live with the neighborhood watch captains you get, at least until you step up yourself and take a turn getting ridiculed by people like you.

  • HA,

    I was not trying to make this about me with my personal anecdote, and I would truly appreciate it if you did not make it about me, either. You don’t know me or what I do in my community, so it’s hardly charitable to make such statements. (As it turns out, I do support our neighborhood watch and have called police to report suspicious behavior. I do not regularly carry a gun around my street and follow people I don’t recognize. I know my own limits and failings.)

    By your own admission, the superhero complex is a struggle. But for most of us, having it blow up in our faces doesn’t mean we kill a teenager. I think GZ was trying to do the right thing, but he made a rush to judgment – his 911 call demonstrates that he was already convinced TM was engaged in criminal activity even though he hadn’t witnessed anything yet. TM was one of “those assholes” who always get away…

    I don’t know if your “gloating over their downfall” comment is directed at me, but I’m not gloating over anything. This was a tragic event. Yes, I assign some of the blame to GZ, but I also said up front that it was apparently TM who turned it violent. Use of deadly force in that case appears justified. I’m sorry if my less than wholehearted defense of GZ offends anyone, but I think sincere Christians should at a minimum see this as a cautionary tale against their own crusader complexes. The desire to see justice can sometimes come at the expense of mercy if we are not careful.

    The dog anecdote is somewhat instructive. Here is a woman who should’ve known better: she lives on our street, we’ve bought cookies from her daughter, etc. Yet in a moment of panic she didn’t recognize us; she reached for her mace, consequences be damned. Call it an overdeveloped sense of fear, a superhero complex, whatever — In my experience, this is often a problem with neighborhood watch captains – it’s a selection bias problem, really. I’m sorry if that observation contradicts your experience, but it jibes pretty well with mine.

    This is a Catholic blog. It just seems out of place to argue for the inherent dignity of all persons while bearing almost no criticism for the actions of a man who so quickly disregarded the human dignity of another. It’s all very well to label TM a thug — there’s certainly evidence to support that — but it’s sad to see how quickly GZ passed from suspicion to conviction — “these assholes always get away.”

  • J. Christian-
    You seem to be skipping over the part where your chosen good-guy attacked at late-20s year old fat guy whose only sin was noticing a 17 year old drug user he didn’t recognize “acting funny” in an area where there’d been a series of break-ins.

    Following someone is not a crime.

    Breaking someone’s nose is.

    but it’s sad to see how quickly GZ passed from suspicion to conviction

    This, from the guy who’s quite willing to convict an ASSAULT VICTIM?!?
    The irony meter breaks.

    Stop pounding the table and bother to find the facts. Don’t use sources that have edited audio.

  • Spare me the strawman arguments, Foxfier. TM is not my “chosen good guy,” as if there has to be a white hat/black hat. I even said that there is ample evidence to show that he had thug credentials. Although to be fair, he was never arrested for assaulting a police officer, nor did anyone request a restraining order against him, unlike George Zimmerman. And you seem to be conveniently applying 20/20 hindsight to GZ’s decisions. He knew nothing of TM or his “record,” he just knew that there’d been a lot of burglaries in the neighborhood, and here was a young black guy strolling through. I guess he’s automatically guilty based on that alone? Following someone is not a crime, but neither is Walking While Black.

    And I have not convicted GZ of anything. The totality of the facts in the case seem to point to him being a nosy busybody, possibly a little hotheaded, but that doesn’t justify TM assaulting him. I said it was justifiable self defense. What more do you want me to say? Do I have to give some sort of ringing endorsement of everything he did that night?

  • J. Christian-
    when attempting comment judo, first find a place with an IQ over room temperature.

    The “accuse others of what you’re doing ” trick doesn’t work here.

  • That doesn’t even make sense. I will not stoop to insult you, however.

  • My point remains. I am well aware of Acton’s most famous dictum, and the Zimbardo prison experiments, and also Claire Booth Luce’s quip about no good deed going unpunished. (Coincidentally, it seems that all 3 of those were Catholic to one extent or another at some point in their lives.) The cynic in me also knows that anyone who tries to do the right thing and presumes to take a stand for something as trite and hoakey as defending the common good is in some sense asking for it, but that is precisely what Christians are called upon to do. So even though I am mostly sorry for the poor dumb dead kid, I also have some compassion left over for the poor schmuck who was only trying to right thing as best as he could determine at the time, because apart from winding up dead or killing someone, I’ve walked a mile in both of those pairs of sneakers.

    And with regard to rush to judgment, and inserting unwarranted assumptions about what is going on the head of another, reread your 5:14 PM quote and start heeding your own advice.

  • There’d be none of this “pomp and circumstances” (and intramural insult flinging) if TM had shot to death George Z.

    It was never about poor, little TM. It was always about getting out the black vote.

    George Z. wasn’t familiar with the Twelfth (Old Army joke) General Order: “Walk my post from flank to flank. Take no $#!+ from any rank. In case of fire ring the bell. In case of trouble run like hell.” “Run like hell” should be SOP for “watch captains.” It’s a lose-lose situation.

    I’m not a lawyer. If this were a civil, “wrongful death” case, George Z. may be at fault. The burden of proof/reasonable doubt threshold is higher for criminal law.

    Anyhow, now I’m less in George Z’s “camp.”

  • J. Christian, I did not call you names. I told you to stop being an ass. You respond by producing 1,400 words of commentary on a subject in which you have not done minimal research, a great deal of it derived from your imagination of George Zimmerman’s self-concept which was a) unwarranted to begin with and b) discredited by witness testimony, specifically that of the co-ordinator of neighborhood watch programs for the Sanford Police Department. You also reveal yourself to maintain a notion of personal agency and culpability that no normal adult should adhere to.

  • My point remains as well, HA. I would hardly call my assessment of GZ a “rush” to judgment – we’ve had a good amount of time since the incident to learn some things about it. I also mentioned just one of several negative experiences of neighborhood watch programs I’ve had. I didn’t judge GZ in the span of a few minutes, as he had to do with TM.

    I don’t disagree with your comment about walking in both of their shoes. I think that the reason I made my initial comment in the first place was that it doesn’t take a lot of moral imagination to see how either party could’ve done things differently and avoided this unfortunate incident altogether. Call it a reference to Lord Acton, paving roads with good intentions, whatever – GZ was probably out to do the right thing, but it was my humble opinion that he crossed a line. And yes, I can see myself making some of the same mistakes. There but for the grace of God go I.

  • If you had opened with that most recent post recent earlier, you would have gotten a different response. As it was, you went off on neighborhood watch captains in general, with their “busybody functions” and “Bruce Wayne delusions”, and then complained about others making it personal. You’re making far more sweeping judgments than GZ or anyone in his neighborhood would have reason to make regarding those who “always get away”, given what had happened there in the recent past.

    If you really think the neighborhood watch captains of this nation are what you say they are, go out and show them how it’s done, and I’ll applaud you. Until then, you’re going to have to either do without neighborhood watch captains (good luck with that), or else, put up with the schmucks we typically rely on to do that drudgery for us, just as we rely on other similar schmucks to police our streets and patrol our prisons and fight our wars, even if sometimes, their “conduck isn’t all [that] your fancy paints.”

  • That doesn’t even make sense. I will not stoop to insult you, however.

    He says, after having attempted to do so several times– including a blanket accusation of lack of charity at those who don’t join him in calling Zimmerman names, or offer factual descriptions of Martin that don’t play in to your desired view.

  • Where are these insults I made against others? If you read through all the comments, you can see the various points at which I’m told to “stop being an ass,” reference is made to “jackasses gloating,” my personal contributions to my community are questioned, and finally your IQ comment was made. At no point did I make this personal except when I made an appeal to charity in response to these kinds of comments. All of this because I had the temerity to suggest that GZ appears (to me, at least) to exhibit a certain kind of psychology prevalent in neighborhood watch captains. Maybe the initial comment was uncharitable in the sense that I didn’t intend to impugn all those who volunteer for the role, but I didn’t think it would be taken that way.

  • I specifically pointed to your highly ironic accusation that those who disagree with your ugly caricature are lacking in charity, and my “IQ statement” was about those you are trying to buffalo.

    Since you seem to enjoy making false accusations, even if you have to misunderstand people to farm up some grounds, I see no reason to take you seriously.

  • i did not say that persons were lacking in charity for disagreeing with my opinion of GZ; I said they were lacking in charity by making comments of the “get off your couch and do something yourself” variety. I don’t see how complete strangers would know anything of the sort about me.

  • “Racist-Regime-Double-Standard” Department:

    For 17 months, the racists at DOJ, CRS, and their lying liberal journalists have been all 24/7 over the tragic death of TM.

    Wondering why you never heard of this (dog bites man) story?

    On July 1, black gang members attacked and beat a random white man in Cobb County, Georgia. He was thrown onto the road where he was killed by oncoming traffic.

    This story received minor coverage in the local news. If the races had been reversed this would be the biggest news story in the United States. It would have knocked the Zimmerman trial out of the news.

    That’s why you never heard of it.

  • I don’t see how complete strangers would know anything of the sort about me.

    Complete strangers can tell when someone is speaking from inside a thicket of prejudice and ignorance and when they are not. As it happens, you have been.

  • a thicket of prejudice

    And I suppose, Art, that you have never harbored any prejudices whatsoever? No preconceived ideas, heuristics, shortcuts to judgments as a way of reaching conclusions without having to research the particulars thoroughly? Not even, say, about the legal profession or government bureaucrats or Ivy League alumni? It must be difficult to go through life that way, never relying even once on your cached mental portraits to make a statement about anything.

    and ignorance

    Well, color me ignorant. I haven’t had the luxury of following this trial word for word, but I’ve at least familiarized myself with the 911 call, the timeline of events, various snippets of testimony, etc. I would say I have enough information to make a comment or two about George Zimmerman. Let’s revisit some of the facts, shall we?

    1) He was once arrested (and yes, I know the charges were dropped) for assaulting a police officer.
    2) He had a restraining order placed against him.
    3) Depending on which sources you read, some neighbors had concerns about his aggressive approach to his neighborhood watch activities.

    You can draw whatever conclusions about the man you like – knight in shining armor, or perhaps a petty tyrant with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. I don’t know, I’m just calling ’em like I see ’em.

  • Oh, and I forgot fact number 4: He was a registered Democrat. Now if that doesn’t scream busybody, I don’t know what does!

  • ” It must be difficult to go through life that way, never relying even once on your cached mental portraits to make a statement about anything. ”

    Not so very difficult to rely on objectivity – innuendo, irony, and touches of the insidious in statements reveal symptoms of a difficulty that clear objectivity can remove with no difficulty.

  • Well, color me ignorant. I haven’t had the luxury of following this trial word for word, but I’ve at least familiarized myself with the 911 call, the timeline of events, various snippets of testimony, etc. I would say I have enough information to make a comment or two about George Zimmerman.

    No luxuries. All the important evidence was made public 13 months ago if you were interested enough to look before, during, or after forming an opinion about the character of one George Zimmerman. It is not voluminous.

    And no, you have not familiarized yourself with any objective piece of information, because if you had, you would not be trafficking in internet memes and irrelevancies. That he had a fight with his fiancee eight years ago (which concluded with mutual restraining orders) and was arrested for shoving an undercover cop in a bar eight years ago are irrelevances. That he ‘disobeyed instructions from authorities’ is an internet meme debunked over a year ago with the publication of the recording of his call to the police dispatcher and debunked again when the dispatcher testified about departmental policy.

    The facts that matter are these:

    1. He called the non-emergency police dispatcher to report a suspicious person (later described as standing on the lawn of a local resident); The co-ordinator of neighborhood watch programs testified that this call was perfectly according to protocol.

    2. During the call, he moved his truck twice while continuing to talk to the dispatcher.

    3. Trayvon Martin remarked his truck in a noticeable way. Zimmerman noted that to the dispatcher in real time (“here he’s checking me out”).

    4. Martin heads up a walkway perpendicular to and connecting two residential streets and an alleyway where the back entrances of the houses on each face.

    5. Martin abruptly runs out of sight. (This is remarked on the call).

    6. Zimmerman gets out of his truck while continuing to speak to the dispatcher. He heads along the walkway. He is asked if he is following Martin. He replies yes. He is told that is not needed. He says ‘OK’. The point is moot. Martin is out of sight and never resurfaces during the course of the call. The dispatcher testified that the department does not as a matter of policy issue instructions or orders in these circumstances.

    7. Zimmerman heads to the residential street on the far end of the walkway to check an address, then decides to leave his phone number for the police to call him when they arrive in lieu of meeting them at a pre-determined point. He elects against giving his home address.

    –You can see from a map of the complex that the distance from where Trayvon Martin disappeared to the back door of his father’s baby-mamma was about 85 yards. He could have loped right past Zimmerman’s truck and been home in less than two minutes – before Zimmerman ever got off the phone. From where he abruptly ran out of sight, he could have been home in less than 20 seconds. Yet, about two minutes later he resurfaces and fights George Zimmerman.

    –We have a passable idea of where this fight began (the location of where Zimmerman dropped his key chain was recorded in crime scene photos).

    — We have a passable idea of who slugged whom (the autopsy report showed Martin had a gunshot wound and an abrasion on one knuckle; Zimmerman was photographed at the scene and follow up medical reports show he had a broken nose and lacerations to the back of the head.

    — an eyewitness standing right there said Martin was straddled over Zimmerman pummeling him.

    –The mess of forensic evidence indicates Martin was shot at ‘intermediate range’ (a term of art meaning 0.4″ to 4′) and was leaning over when shot and that the muzzle of the gun was in contact with the cloth of his outergarments.

    There is about two minutes missing from the timeline that has never been filled in with objective evidence or the word disinterested witnesses. The thing is, nothing has emerged to indicate that Zimmerman was doing anything but loitering about on a walkway waiting for the police. That’s where he was talking to the dispatcher and that is around where his key chain was located. No evidence has emerged which demonstrates he ever went anywhere else or caught sight of Trayvon Martin in the interval between when Martin disappeared down the alleyway and when he resurfaced and broke George Zimmerman’s nose.

    There are quite a mess of people who hold George Zimmerman culpable for schlepping about his own neighborhood waiting for a police patrol (after having committed the novel crime of felonious truck egress) or for calling the cops (as if walking around aimlessly in the rain, standing on the lawn of a person unknown to you, staring down a person in their vehicle talking on the phone, and running out of sight a propos of nothing in particular were…perfectly unremarkable. Indeed, perfectly unremarkable in a neighborhood that had had a rash of burglaries which included the home of the man on whose lawn you were standing).

    You get into these conversations and you realize that for some people, George Zimmerman is not an individual who did certain things and did not do other things. He is an icon of a mess of things they find wrong with the world. George Zimmerman is replaced with a literary character of their own imagining (‘wanna-be cop, Bruce Wayne, &c). But they have argued themselves into a corner in which the rest of us might not wish to stand: the notion that ordinary people are culpable when feral young men decide to practice their MMA moves on them, because it is perfectly normal for said punks to assault ‘creepy’ people they fancy have ‘disrespected’ them.

    If that’s your idea of an appropriate rule governing social relations, I ask you please not to move to any community in which I am living. We will all be safer when you, miscellaneous black particularists, the liberal chatterati, and the Catholic peace-and-justice fuzzheads who seem to think he should have had Veritatis Splendor uppermost in his mind while Trayvon Martin was smacking his head into the concrete, have their own colony and are away from centers of civilization.

  • Money quote: ” . . . feral young men decide to practice their MMA moves on them, because it is perfectly normal for said punks to assault ‘creepy’ people they fancy have ‘disrespected’ them.”

    Second Prize: “miscellaneous black particularists, the liberal chatterati, and the Catholic peace-and-justice fuzzheads who seem to think he should have had Veritatis Splendor uppermost in his mind while Trayvon Martin was smacking his head into the concrete. . .”

    AD: I salute you!

  • Art Deco: free lance educator.

  • I have seen some reports of the proceedings and what I always find shocking, as a Scots lawyer, is that the prosecutor, before leading his proof was allowed to make a speech to the jury, detailing the facts he intended to prove and the evidence he expected his witnesses to give.

    Surely, the facts that the prosecutor intends to prove should be libelled in the indictment, where the defence has notice of them and where they can form the subject of a debate on the relevancy and, as for the proof, the witnesses can speak for themselves.

    That this pernicious practice is copied from England is no argument in its favour.

    As for adding charges after the indictment has been served, without deserting the diet, well, words fail me.

  • We should take Art’s entire last comment, carve it in granite and place said stone outside the Department of Justice as a monument to the injustice of the case.

  • it doesn’t seem common sense that in a system where innocence is presumed the prosecutor Should be given the last word. and his word is allowed to be named calling and imputing guilt by guess and by hearsay– doesn’t seem like a very well refined and defined system to me..
    Maybe the awarding of the “last word” should be merit based 🙂 if the prosecutor has really shown that he has something to say beyond histrionics—

  • Given that Zimmerman’s motivations seem fairly reasonable in light of what had happened in the neighborhood in recent months, the mystery of what exactly was going on in Martin’s head is far more relevant.

    In his last phone call before the confrontation, Martin referred to Zimmerman as either a “creepy-a** cracker” or a “creepy a**-cracker, which his friend on the line understood to mean “pervert”. The slur suggests he thought Zimmerman was “cruising” him, and his explosive response might have arisen from the widely-held belief in some circles that gay men – in particular, the kind of gay men who follow around teenage boys in the rain in the hope of starting something – deserve to get their heads bashed in.

    We’ll never know, of course. Martin apparently also talked a good game about fighting in general, and given the THC in his system (paranoia, anyone?), and the gangsta-rap machismo echoing in his head, and also the fact that he was just a teenager, one can only go so far in trying to figure him out. Still, it’s quite possible that in his own twisted fashion, he too, just like George Zimmerman, was driven by a desire to see justice done.

    But because trying to figure that out would lead to matters our liberal taste-makers find too discomforting, even though a man’s freedom is now at stake, we’re instead left with images of a “white Hispanic” with “Bruce Wayne delusions” and other such catch-all non sequitirs. If Trayvon were white, there’d be no end of the media speculation on what his attack on Zimmerman really meant, but in that case, there would probably have no media circus to begin with.

  • Anzlyne

    In Scotland, the Act of 1672 provides that “That in all criminal pursuits the defender or his advocates be always the last speaker, except in cases of treason and rebellion against the king.”

  • I am hearing that eric holder is going to attempt to charge Zimmerman with racism and a hate crime. UNBELEIVABLE!! Isn’t it time when the silent majority stand up peacefully and tell this administration NO. No to charges of hate crime. The f.b.i already did their investigation and found Zimmerman innocent of hate crimes. This administration wants to keep this alive to first..get americans mind off the current scandals and second, to provoke race riots. This HAS TO STOP!

  • I agree with you hanna. Last night I heard a commentator say that the government was responding to pressure from people who called for Something To Be Done. If so, that is self-serving selective perception on their part to say the least.
    But we do need to be more willing to speak up. Conservatives do have a stake in this society and perhaps see themselves as having something to lose by being identified and blackballed.. The dialectic says that the occupiers are people with no stake and nothing to lose. In reality, everybody stands to lose everything if the underpinnings of our society are not protected.

Few Things Are More Pathetic Than a Dumb Prosecutor

Thursday, June 7, AD 2012

One of the professional requirements of being an attorney, especially an attorney engaging in litigation, is developing a tough hide when it comes to criticism.  Most of my brethren and sistren of the bar develop such hides.  Alas, some do not:

Alan M. Dershowitz’s Perspective: State Attorney Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case, recently called the Dean of Harvard Law School to complain about my criticism of some of her actions.
She was transferred to the Office of Communications and proceeded to engage in a 40-minute rant, during which she threatened to sue Harvard Law School, to try to get me disciplined by the Bar Association and to file charges against me for libel and slander.

 

She said that because I work for Harvard and am identified as a professor she had the right to sue Harvard.
When the communications official explained to her that I have a right to express my opinion as “a matter of academic freedom,” and that Harvard has no control over what I say, she did not seem to understand.
She persisted in her nonstop whining, claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility — without mentioning that she has repeatedly held her own press conferences and made public statements throughout her career.
Her beef was that I criticized her for filing a misleading affidavit that willfully omitted all information about the injuries Zimmerman had sustained during the “struggle” it described. She denied that she had any obligation to include in the affidavit truthful material that was favorable to the defense.
She insisted that she is entitled to submit what, in effect, were half truths in an affidavit of probable cause, so long as she subsequently provides the defense with exculpatory evidence.
She should go back to law school, where she will learn that it is never appropriate to submit an affidavit that contains a half truth, because a half truth is regarded by the law as a lie, and anyone who submits an affidavit swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Before she submitted the probable cause affidavit, Corey was fully aware that Zimmerman had sustained serious injuries to the front and back of his head. The affidavit said that her investigators “reviewed” reports, statements and “photographs” that purportedly “detail[ed] the following.”

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11 Responses to Few Things Are More Pathetic Than a Dumb Prosecutor

  • Everything about this case, including Mr. Zimmerman’s behavior, is awfully strange.

  • This case makes me angry because people have no sympathy for the Night guard who was probably attacked by Treyvon who was roaming around at night with a hood over his head. On top of that people claim the Night guard was racist when the Night guard was a mixed man and people blame him for the attack when if he truly wanted to kill Martin right away but it is obvious that Zimmerman had blood on the back of his head, he also was the one to call the cops.

  • If he truly wanted to kill Treyvon right away he would have but he had a bloody back of the head.

  • I get the sense that she’s another Nifong. In fact, the type of publicity surrounding this case isn’t too far from the Duke Lacrosse one.

  • Although I don’t think that Zimmerman is guilty of murder and i think this prosecution looks like a Nifong style witch hunt, Zimmerman’s behavior after the fact is strange to say the least.

  • Mommy, Alan is telling me what I’m doing. Make him stop. It’s Not Fair.

  • I get the sense that she’s another Nifong. In fact, the type of publicity surrounding this case isn’t too far from the Duke Lacrosse one.

    You know, Michael Nifong was evaluated by predecessor and former supervisor as a professional of the most common-and-garden sort and this dame has been practicing law for 30 years or so. Why do I get the impression that Tom McKenna is blowing smoke when he goes on about the rarity of these types?

  • Angela Corey should pay closer attention to the Duke case. After 20 Jan 2013 she will be in a precarious position for lawsuit activity against her. Perhaps she plans to resign.

  • If this transpired as it seems, why is this prosecutor not being charged with some crime?

    As regards to what transpired. If someone is beating me up, pounding my face and head into the ground and I cannot stop him otherwise; I believe even lethal force is justified.

    I am tired of it being offered as justification that Zimmerman, somehow, deserved to be beaten to a pulp. How is such behavior justified by merely being followed? Even if there was some kind of verbal confrontation, how does a savage beating become justified?
    Even if epithets of some kind were exchanged, even unilaterally, it DOES NOT JUSTIFY AGGRAVATED ASSAULT or some other felonious attack!

    This case needs to be thrown out. It is a travesty of justice. It is in itself, possibly, a racist attempt to scapegoat and convict the victim of an assault, based upon what evidence I have seen in print.

    It is horrendous that someone died. But If I am beating someone to a pulp, the other person is entitled to self defense. If I will not stop beating them, I must be stopped, however that must occur. If the law says otherwise, the law is criminal, itself.

    But the real point of this post brings me back to questioning whether laws even matter any longer in what used to be the United States of America, if this kind of legal lynching
    mentality by a prosecutor is not met by a heavy handed response from law enforcement regarding a rogue of their own, in their midst. Otherwise, this appears to be institutionalized criminal behavior within the law enforcement community.

    Perhaps it is time for a special prosecutor or a civil rights inquiry, on behalf of Mr. Zimmerman, or both.

  • For those who consider Zimmerman’s behavior ‘strange’: we can only wonder how any of us would act in his situation.
    He survived an encounter that could have been fatal. He shot another man. He has seen prominent thugs offer a bounty for his head, and the President chose to stoke the racial angle rather than encourage calm. He saw innocents terrorized out of their home because the mob mistook them for him. The system he supported through his neighborhood watch role has turned on him viciously.
    So, stress and a need for self-preservation (given that so many were acting against it) may produce decisions we would never have to face.