Cult of Personality

Wednesday, January 25, AD 2017

 

The sendoff of Saturday Night Live to the worst President of my lifetime, which is about to stretch back 60 years.  It is sort of precious, the Obama kids all grown up:

 

 

Too bad kids that he doubled the National debt, now at an eye-popping twenty-trillion dollars, presided over a growth-less economy and weakened the US around the globe.  Challenges for your generation to address, or not.   Life is a big learning curve, and if you take anything from the Obama years take this:  reality is not amenable to change by political slogans and wishful thinking, and a lot of people in politics are always ready to sell, at a very high price indeed, magic beans to gullible buyers.

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  • Ben Franklin, “Admiration is the daughter of ignorance.”

    Obama wins the Crowd Size Competition. But, Bush and Nixon had higher average approval ratings than Obama’s 47.9%.

  • Hitler’s Youth had to sing or die in the ovens.(“Sir” means father. Obama did nothing to father our nation. Obama ignored our Founding Fathers.)

  • Was the SNL song meant to mock Obama Worship? Or was it real? I’ve heard both, and nobody seem to know for sure.

  • It’s a disservice to America to believe that there was any form whatsoever of positive race relations ushered in by the first black president. To Sir with Love must be looked upon as a slap in his kisser and a boot in his ass as he trips out the White House.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/20/cop-deaths-double-2016-amid-obamas-anti-cop-rhetoric/amp/

    Thanks be to God this imposter is toast.

  • I agree with Dave Griffey– it’s hard to tell if SNL is snarky or serious here. I suppose Georg
    Lichtenberg’s aphorism applies best: “A book is a mirror: if an ape looks into it, you can’t
    expect an Apostle to look out”. If someone watching SNL is so blind that they refuse to see
    the damage Obama’s administration has done over the past eight years– to his own party,
    to the rule of law, to world stability, to this nation’s economic and military well-being, and
    to race relations in this country– then when that person looks at this SNL skit, he’s likely
    going to be oblivious to the irony of it all.

  • Clinton.
    Great observation.

  • “Was the SNL song meant to mock Obama Worship? Or was it real?”

    Who knows? SNL in the past has not been noted for being subtle.

  • Somewhere around 10,000,000 babies never got to see, hug or kiss their fathers during Obama’s “rule” [yes-he did refer to his presidency in a public speech in 2008 of his WH time as “under my rule”] because they were killed by their mommys in their mommys’ warm wombs. Ironically, about half of them were black and brown-and each one of them descended from a freed slave had infinitely more African-American blood than Obama, because he had none, being half white and half ArabAmerican. Guy McClung, San Antonio TX

  • The Obama Kids Music Video is more than creepy. It’s frightening, almost idolatry, and puts one in mind of Communist China.

Cult of Personality? What Cult of Personality!

Tuesday, May 6, AD 2014

Jiang Qing

Just in time for Mother’s Day!  Democrats are being encouraged to wish Jiang Qing (Mrs. Mao) Michelle a happy Mother’s Day!  Go here to sign a card and to put your name on Democrat mailing lists for the rest of your life.  I think the Democrats may have something here.  They might wish to consider a campaign focusing on Michelle, which would allow them to extend the dynasty until Obama’s girls are old enough to become a factor in American politics.  Big Mama Has Her Eyes on You might be a bit direct for the campaign, but I am sure they can come up with a proper slogan and theme.  Let a thousand flowers bloom!

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  • “Let a thousand flowers bloom!”

    How about “Let a thousand pounds be lost”?

  • Michele Obama in her actions and statements is little different than Queen Jezebel of yester-millennium. She will plot the demise (i.e., murder) of anyone who produces wealth like Naboth the Jezreelite in order to steal his property and wealth (i.e., his vineyard) to give to her husband, our current King Ahab, Barack Hussein Obama. The prophet Elijah had some mighty heavy words for her crime in 1st Kings chapter 21. As I recall, at the end of 2nd Kings chapter 9 that punishment was meted out.

    Of course, we must pray for the repentance of our current Queen Jezebel. But the choices before us remain ever the same: choose God’s mercy and repent, or be defiant and receive God’s justice. We know what Jiang Qing would choose and that is to be regretted. Pray for Michele Obama’s repentance.

    🙁

  • I see nothing wrong with sending Michy a mom day card. A lot of American’s say she’s a mother. However, when it comes to her, I don’t think they mean the same thing as most folks do when the M word is used!

  • Is Michelle Obama REALLY a mother?

  • “Go here to sign a card and to put your name on Democrat mailing lists for the rest of your life.”
    .
    Stephen E. Dalton: “I see nothing wrong with sending Michy a mom day card.”
    .
    Except that you will put your name on the Democratic mailing list for life, the same goes for the “Do not call list”. Now they have your number.

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  • Have you remarked this controversy about the rodeo clown now banned for life from the Missouri State Fair? As we speak, the appended announcer has been compelled to submit his resignation to the fair and is under investigation and facing the possibility of dismissal from his day job. Also we’ve had denunciations issued by the Missouri Fair Commission, the Governor of Missouri, and the White House Press Office. In addition, some sort of sensitivity training is planned for rodeo clowns working in Missouri. Also, the NAACP wants some sort of federal investigation. The former president of Clowns of America International has in addition written an op-ed piece denouncing this fellow for violating their ‘code of ethics’. No word yet on whether the American Psychological Association board will declare the man suffering a mental disorder. How do you spell gleichschaltung?

  • No sense of humor in evidence from these groups of governmental people, etc. Do these have memory of their more vicious treatment in the recent past as regards George W. Bush or Sarah Palin?

  • Re Clowngate: see posts under “Various and Sundry 8/14/13.” I still believe the fair commission was within their rights to fire the clown (though preferably they should have simply asked him not to do it again and fired him only if he refused) since the organizers of any entertainment event have discretion over who may perform and what they may perform. However, they should have simply left it at that; the spectacular overreaction of banning him for life (as if he were a threat to public safety on the level of a child molester or drug dealer) and insisting upon sensitivity training for future clowns (!) is clownish in itself.

  • “Have you remarked this controversy about the rodeo clown now banned for life from the Missouri State Fair? As we speak, the appended announcer has been compelled to submit his resignation to the fair and is under investigation and facing the possibility of dismissal from his day job. Also we’ve had denunciations issued by the Missouri Fair Commission, the Governor of Missouri, and the White House Press Office. In addition, some sort of sensitivity training is planned for rodeo clowns working in Missouri. Also, the NAACP wants some sort of federal investigation. The former president of Clowns of America International has in addition written an op-ed piece denouncing this fellow for violating their ‘code of ethics’. No word yet on whether the American Psychological Association board will declare the man suffering a mental disorder. How do you spell gleichschaltung?”

    Would be god-emperors and their minions tend not to have much of a sense of humor Art. Presidents have been ridiculed ceaselessly beginning with George Washington. That the Obama cultists want a special exemption from this fact of American life for the current incumbent speaks volumes about their attachment to American freedom and their lack of common sense.

  • Dryden, in his Discourse Concerning the Original and Progress of Satire notes, “Augustus, who was conscious to himself, of so many Crimes which he had committed, thought in the first place to provide for his own Reputation, by making an Edict against Lampoons and Satires, and the Authors of those defamatory Writings, which my Author Tacitus, from the Law-Term, calls famosos libellos.” Some jurists were found servile enough to wrest the words “Qui malum carmen incantassit . . .” [If he chants bad songs] in the XII Tables to apply to satires, when the were plainly directed against evil spells.

    Under his successors, this sensitivity was carried to great lengths. Caligula sentenced to death those who were sacrilegious enough to undress before the image of the emperor.

  • Elaine, the question of what the Fair Commission has the right to do (or the school district putting the announcer through the mangle has the right to do) is not at issue. The question is why the school district, the Fair Commission, the Governor of Missouri, the former President of Clowns of America (who is a childrens’ party clown, not a rodeo clown), or the White House Press Secretary would beclown themselves in the manner they have. This is another canary in the coal mine.

  • And then there’s the NAACP, that bad parody of the March of Dimes principle. Obnoxious patronage baby Julian Bond has now retired, but the crew he left behind are at least as bad.

  • “The question is why the school district, the Fair Commission, the Governor of Missouri, the former President of Clowns of America (who is a childrens’ party clown, not a rodeo clown), or the White House Press Secretary would beclown themselves in the manner they have. This is another canary in the coal mine.”

    I agree. I should clarify that I do NOT believe the fair commission or anyone else has any business trying to get the clown or the announcer canned from their regular full time jobs — effectively blacklisting them and interfering with their ability to earn a living; that is way out of line. If they merely wanted him to refrain from the Obama performance at that one particular event, fine, but it should have stopped there. There is also no reason for Clowns of America to get involved as rodeo clowns serve a different function than circus or party clowns (a rodeo clown’s main duty is to distract the horse or bull from attacking the rider if he gets thrown; entertaining the spectators is secondary).

    If the MO Gov. and/or the POTUS had to get involved at all they should have taken the approach that George W. Bush took with the Dixie Chicks:

    “The Dixie Chicks are free to speak their mind. They can say what they want to say … they shouldn’t have their feelings hurt just because some people don’t want to buy their records when they speak out … Freedom is a two-way street … I don’t really care what the Dixie Chicks said. I want to do what I think is right for the American people, and if some singers or Hollywood stars feel like speaking out, that’s fine. That’s the great thing about America.”

  • In re: the rodeo clown controversy – I tend to agree with those who have suggested that this is just another media-manufactured kerfluffle (or, to coin a phrase, a “fake scandal”) designed to eat up air time and column space which otherwise might be at risk of being used to deal with real scandals, such as Benghazi (gunwalking to Syria), Fast and Furious (gunwalking to Mexico), IRS targeting of dissenting voices, et ceteratque nauseum.

    In re: the NAACP – This organization is now a particularly egregious example of an institution which, having seen the purpose for which it was established largely accomplished, now seeks to survive by redefinition and the manufacturing of crises. The first big one was the assault on the symbols of the Confederacy, especially the battle flag(s), which was ginned up at about the time the NAACP was experiencing a decline in membership.

    In re: the life-ban on the rodeo clown – I hope the gentleman has engaged a competent attorney to file a civil (and civil rights) suit against the Clowns of America and other involved parties for their outrageous over-reaction. It would be good if they could strike first before Eric Gunwalker Holder’s Department of Injustice launches their own lynching party.

    Finally, in re: the Clowns of America – perhaps these folks should also be worried about a suit for trademark infringement by inside-the-Beltway ruling class types. Just sayin’. 😉

  • I do not think he has a cause of action against Clowns of America. Their ‘code of ethics’ is trivial, does not apply to someone in his precise line of work, and their former president worthy of the most severe lampoon. The fact that officers of this silly trade association are willing to join this political pile-on discredits it. They are not ‘over-reacting’. No one is. “Over-reacting’ suggests there was something to which to properly react.

    I think your assessment of the media / Democratic Party complex credits them with a greater measure of Machiavellian self-awareness than they possess.

  • Vati, Vati, führt das Fuehrer auf diese Weise? (Daddy, Daddy, will the Fuehrer pass this way?) As history repeats itself, he just might.

  • So much of this is paid for by tax dollars. Remember the tax-paying citizen, the clown included. Hasn’t the clown paid his taxes to have his free speech? The clown thought that he was funny. Isn’t that the clown’s job: to make us laugh at ourselves? A man who does not laugh at himself is…? A citizen does not ridicule the office of President of the USA. A citizen is free to point out the foibles of a citizen sitting in that office.

  • Too bad Stephan cannot and could not invoke God’s blessing on Barack Obama in the public school or in the public square. Perhaps Barack Obama, with his great and powerful God-given gifts, will make peaceable assembly in free speech to petition government for redress and for Divine Providence a First Amendment civil right in freedom. Our taxes bought and paid for the government. At least people ought to be free.

  • Sadly, this child will never learn The Truth which would make him free.

    In fact, . . .

    11/5/2012: Walter Russell Mead: “America’s Black middle class is facing a crisis of historic proportions. African Americans were among the biggest losers in the housing bubble; well-intentioned but ill-advised policy changes intended to get more low income families and marginal households into home ownership kicked in just in time to lure African American families into the housing market at the peak of the bubble. The loss of wealth and savings has been nothing short of catastrophic; decades of progress in building net worth for middle class and lower middle class minority families have been wiped out since 2007.”

    And,

    9/4/2012: The Daily Caller: “President Barack Obama was a pioneering contributor to the national subprime real estate bubble, and roughly half of the 186 African-American clients in his landmark 1995 mortgage discrimination lawsuit against Citibank have since gone bankrupt or received foreclosure notices.

    “As few as 19 of those 186 clients still own homes with clean credit ratings, following a decade in which Obama and other progressives pushed banks to provide mortgages to poor African Americans.

    “The startling failure rate among Obama’s private sector clients was discovered during The Daily Caller’s review of previously unpublished court information from the lawsuit that a young Obama helmed as the lead plaintiff’s attorney. [RELATED: Learn about the 186 class action plaintiffs]”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/03/with-landmark-lawsuit-barack-obama-pushed-banks-to-give-subprime-loans-to-chicagos-african-americans/#ixzz25RFSA6or

    P. S. The housing GSE’s (FNMA/FHLMC), without which the housing-bubble-crisis could not have occurred, were massive political contributors to progressive tools. Obama recieved $104,000 in political graft payments from FNMA.

Cult of Personality? What Cult of Personality?

Tuesday, November 27, AD 2012

We sit by and watch the Barbarian, we tolerate him; in the long stretches of peace we are not afraid. We are tickled by his irreverence, his comic inversion of our old certitudes and our fixed creeds refreshes us; we laugh. But as we laugh we are watched by large and awful faces from beyond: and on these faces there is no smile.   

 Hilaire Belloc

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  • Acts 12:21-23 – 21 And upon a set day Herod arrayed himself in royal apparel, and sat on the throne, and made an oration unto them. 22 And the people shouted, saying, The voice of a god, and not of a man. 23 And immediately an angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

  • 2nd Peter 17-20 These people are waterless springs and mists driven by a gale; for them the gloom of darkness has been reserved. For, talking empty bombast, they seduce with licentious desires of the flesh those who have barely escaped from people who live in error. They promise them freedom, though they themselves are slaves of corruption, for a person is a slave of whatever overcomes him.

  • In 2008, many voted to prove they aren’t racists.

    In 2012, many were given the opportunity to prove they aren’t idiots.

    All of us will suffer.

  • T. Shaw wrote, “In 2008, many voted to prove they aren’t racists. In 2012, many were given the opportunity to prove they aren’t idiots. All of us will suffer.”

    Those whoe voted specifically to get the first “black” man in as President are by defiinition racist because they voted on the basis of race. As such, they were idiots in 2008 and continue to be idiots in 2012. But yes, all of us will suffer.

  • PWP: Truth.

    Sadly, the ones to whom you refer could have been other than witless, prejudiced ideologues. They were “disenabled” by programs designed to “help” them, e.g., public school indoctrination.

    It’s not their fault!

  • “In 2008, many voted to prove they aren’t racists.

    In 2012, many were given the opportunity to prove they aren’t idiots.

    All of us will suffer.”

    Can I quote you? I love that.

  • T. Shaw has apparently upstaged Hilaire Belloc, my favorite historian, with a truism of his own. My compliments.

  • Once again, LIving Colour. Betcha they didn’t they’d be prophesying the first black U.S. President when they recorded this song 25 years ago. But unwitting prophesies are often the most prophetic.

  • Bible VersionsRSVPsalmsPsalm 2
    Psalm 2 (Revised Standard Version)

    1 Why do the nations conspire, and the peoples plot in vain? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD and his anointed, saying, 3 “Let us burst their bonds asunder, and cast their cords from us.” 4 He who sits in the heavens laughs; the LORD has them in derision. 5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath, and terrify them in his fury, saying, 6 “I have set my king on Zion, my holy hill.” 7 I will tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to me, “You are my son, today I have begotten you. 8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. 9 You shall break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.” 10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, with trembling 12 kiss his feet, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way; for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

  • It was said of Napoléon III that he deceived Europe twice: once, when convinced them he was an idiot and a second time, when convinced them he was a statesman.

  • Napoleon III was the living embodiment of one of the few things Marx got right:

    “Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
    Blanc for Robespierre, the Montagne of 1848 to 1851 for the Montagne of 1793 to 1795, the nephew for the uncle. And the same caricature occurs in the circumstances of the second edition of the Eighteenth Brumaire.”

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch01.htm

  • That Obama has a cult following tells us more about imbecilic cultists than it does about Obama, the witless and prejudiced drone.

  • Donald R Mcclarey

    I always liked Marx’x description of him: “As a fatalist, he lives in the conviction that there are certain higher powers which man, and the soldier in particular, cannot withstand. Among these powers he counts, first and foremost, cigars and champagne, cold poultry and garlic sausage. “

Good News For Modern Democrats

Thursday, November 15, AD 2012

 

One of the more nauseating features of the reelection of the South Side Messiah, is that we will have four more years  of the cult of personality that is promoted by some of Obama’s more deranged acolytes.  A current example is The Gospel According to Apostle Barack by Barbara A. Thompson.

The book description of this tome:

Yes, Barack had worked tirelessly on behalf of the American people, especially those who elected him in 2008. His followers needed to re-elect him to a second term, so that he could continue to accomplish the promises he made, thus, realizing his vision of America as a more perfect political union or “heaven here on earth” Then, as I began to contemplate ways to assist Barack in his 2012 re-election bid something miraculous happened. I felt God’s (His) Spirit beckoning me in my dreams at night. Listening, cautiously, I learned that Jesus walked the earth to create a more civilized society, Martin (Luther King) walked the earth to create a more justified society, but, Apostle Barack, the name he was called in my dreams, would walk the earth to create a more equalized society, for the middle class and working poor. Apostle Barack, the next young leader with a new cause, had been taken to the mountaintop and allowed to see over the other side. He had the answers to unlock the kingdom of “heaven here on earth” for his followers. The answers were repeated – over and over – in speeches Barack had made from his presidential announcement to his inaugural address. Those speeches or his teachings contained the answers to the middle class and working poor people living in a “heaven here on earth” For when the answers were unlocked and enacted, Apostle Barack’s vision of America would be realized.

Hmmm, I wonder what parables would be in the Gospel of Barack?  The Good Abortionist?  The Prodigal Differently Gendered Male Product of Conception?  The Civil Union at Cana?  The Ten Foolish Sluts?  The Unionized Laborers in the Vinyard?  The Unjust Republican Judge?

Barack would perform miracles in the Gospel:  walking on a sea of debt;  transforming water into taxes;  raising the dead because they hadn’t paid their death taxes;  transforming bread and wine into (skip that one, Apostle Biden snarfed them down).

The teachings of the Apostle Barack of course would take pride of place:

1.  Render unto Caesar Obama everything.

2.  Love Barack and love thy fellow Leftist.

3.  Blessed are the bribe givers for they shall receive their reward.

4.  Suffer the little children.

5.  The wages of sin are fun.

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  • This is exactly how at some future time the final anti-Christ will receive the accolades and adulation of millions. People wAant to be deluded today just as people in Germany in the early 20th century wanted to be delided. I did NOT say Obama is THE anti-Christ. But John’s first epistle does say that there will be many little anti-Christs in the Last Days. Whether these are the “Last Days” or not remain to be seen.

  • The author of this book was on Michael Medved’s show and was totally owned by one of Medved’s best callers, Tom from Glendora, who is a Catholic. He had 3 questions expressing doubt that Obama could legitimately be called an apostle. Her response in the form of a rant was angry, indignant and didn’t answer any of the questions, but amounted in short to “We won”, so way to speak power to truth.

    His third question was about the HHS Mandate violating religious freedom and it seemed to get under her skin the most. Her response was legalistic in nature pointing out that all this is legal at this point, laws on the books, ostensibly forgetting that slavery used to be legal in our country. Again: a power cult speakin’ power to truth.

  • I believe the author of the book is quite serious Art. Obviously I am not.

  • What a misnamed site. I am an American catholic and you do not speak for me. Your columns are hateful and biased. Jesus is very disappointed I am sure. How dare you refer to Vatican II as if you derive some heritage from it. Your closed minded and hateful commentary is in direct violation of the spirit of Vatican II. You should be ashamed.
    But you won’t be. You’ll either ignore me or call me names or put me down with some sort of snark that only you and your hypocritical readers will find worthwhile.

  • B. Franklin: “Admiration is the daughter of ignorance.”

    That which got him re-elected: The fruits of Barrack’s tireless labors for his constituencies and a more justified America:

    • Family Median dropped 8.2% since St. Barrack took over, an average drop of $4,000. Since the so-called recovery started June 2009, median incomes continued to fall, dropping $2,544, or 4.8%.

    • Long-term unemployed: More than three years into Obama’s recovery, 811,000 more still fall into this category than when the recession ended.

    • Poverty: The poverty rate climbed to 15.1% in 2010, up from 14.3% in 2009, and economists think it may have hit 15.7% last year, highest since the 1960s.

    • Food stamps: There are 11.8 million more people on food stamps since Obama’s recovery started.

    • Disability: More than 1 million workers have been added to Social Security’s disability program in the last three years.

    • Gas prices: A gallon of gas cost $1.89 when Obama was sworn in. By June 2009, the price was $2.70. Today, it’s $3.84.

    • Misery Index: When Obama took office, the combination of unemployment and inflation stood at 7.83. Today it’s 9.71.

    • Union membership: Even unions are worse off under Obama, with membership dropping half a million between 2009 and 2011.

    • Debt: Everyone is far worse off if you just look at the national debt. It has climbed more than $5 trillion under Obama, crossing $16 trillion for the first time on Tuesday and driving the U.S. credit rating down.

    Truth, justice, and the American Way: Just about the only people better off are corporate big-wigs who saw corporate profits climb over 50% in Obama’s “recovery”; and investors, who benefited from doubling the Dow industrials from its March 2009 lows.

  • Now I get it.

    Barrack spent the last four years bringing us the “good news.”

    The next four years, he will make America “well and truly blessed.”

  • “You’ll either ignore me or call me names or put me down with some sort of snark that only you and your hypocritical readers will find worthwhile.”

    Run out and get your copy of the book today Jeff. If you make a large enough contribution to the Southside Messiah I am sure he would be willing to autograph it for you. ( I trust you will find the snark in the reply sufficient.)

  • I think “Jeff” is the issue of some sort of spam generator.

  • Jeff forgot to capitalize the word Catholic. Or maybe not.

    “Jesus is very disappointed, I am sure.” It’s curious that lefties always know how Our Lord feels about things, and they know that he does not approve of us even when we point out contradictions to His own Gospel message.

  • Jeff, it would have been nice–genuinely good-hearted–if you had not just randomly dropped into a comment thread to vent against the site and its readers. How do your insults either embody or advance your views?

  • And here I thought Dale Price was pranking everyone by stringing together cliches. Too heavy handed for DP. Too self-aware for Todd Flowerday. Who could it be?

  • I would like to know from Jeff specifically what is so hateful about this blog site, its articles and the comments thereto. Closed minded and hateful commentary almost always gets a thorough rebuttal here. As for name calling, I do not think that anyone has done that to Jeff.

    By the way, Jesus’ reaction to money changers making profit off the vulnerable was to whip them into submission. One may hope and pray that that same thing happens to the purveyors of profitable infanticide at Planned Parenthood. And Jesus talked far more about the punishment of the fires of hell than He did about Paradise. In Luke 13, when the disciples approached Him with how Pilate had mingled the blood of rebels wth that of his animal sacrifices, Jesus told them that unless they repent, even worse would happen to them. Jesus spoke more about holiness than about love, explaining that unless our righteousness exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees, we cannot expect to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus preached the Gospel of Conversion and Repentance, NOT the gospel of social justice, the common good and peace at any price. He said to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s, and everything – even our very lives – belong to God.

    But I realize those very Christian ideals are radical to the liberal progressive Democrat for whom no Messiah but the Obamessiah will suffice. Of course, that’s called idolatry and violates the first Great Commandment that Jesus quoted from the Old Testament: Love God with all your heart, mind, body and soul.

  • Jeff,

    Quick: What is the Meditation for the First Joyful Mstery of the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Vrigin Mary?

    It’s all Sandy’s fault.

    I am retiring the word “unexpectedly” and replacing it with “Surprise!”

    Surprise! OH and PA suffer the worst.

    Surprise! (from Zerohedge) A week after the election, unemployment numbers hit a new high: Get ready for the “it’s all Sandy’s fault” barrage, because the post-reelection status quo sure will desperately need it today. The latest initial claims data posted a multi-year high 104,548 surge in weekly NSA claims from 361,800 to 466,348, and even the Seasonally-adjusted number soaring from 361K to 439K on expectations of a 375K print.

    I was at St. Francis of Assisi Church an hour ago. Jesus isn’t ashamed of me.

  • Infidels the lot of you.
    Reality is what we say it is, and you are stupid idiots to think it is found in the Bible, which states Another’s Law and Teaching, or your Church’s Magisterium and Tradition.
    Learn manners and behavior from the undersigned.
    – signed,
    Thoughtless Bully Pulpit (message emphasized by pointing at you)

  • Nah–I have a little more panache than that. I’d have thrown in something like “siblings in Christ” to punch it up.

  • “I think “Jeff” is the issue of some sort of spam generator.”

    I don’t know. I think a spam generator would also have called us racist.

  • I think “Jeff” is the issue of some sort of spam generator.

    Not spam, though that is where any followup comments from him will go.

  • Hateful and biased columns?

    He must have been reading mine, lol.

    Seriously, the synopsis for this book is one of the most hilarious things I’ve read recently. I shouldn’t laugh at mental illness, though.

  • Hmmmmmmmmm — perhaps the author received her inspiration from The Gospel of Barack Hussein Obama (also not a parody).

    http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/2012/07/gospel-of-barack-hussein-obama.html

  • Apparently, the “Apostle Barack” is winning converts to his Gospel of Death:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/abortion/54_are_pro_choice_38_pro_life

    It wasn’t that long ago that we were hearing that the pro-life view was ascendant and perhaps even the majority view.

  • I used to think quite highly of Rasmussen until the last election. Considering that he predicted a D-2 electorate and the electorate was D-6, I think I will take all polls done by him for the foreseeable future with a boulder of salt.

    For what it is worth, Gallup, which also didn’t cover itself with glory in the last election, back in May had a poll which showed a pro-life majority:

    http://www.priestsforlife.org/statistics/12-05-23-gallup-poll.pdf

  • “Apparently, the “Apostle Barack” is winning converts to his Gospel of Death:”

    Just as his refusal to defend marriage is moving people to accept SSM. Leadership does have an effect on the public for good or evil.

  • “Hateful”: That was me before youse guys started moderating moi.

    Anyhow, the tolerant, progressive dons at Jesuitical Fordham U. remind me of Jeff.

    They condemn you as evil and ban you from speaking on campus if you were ever so horrid as to believe in free markets, private initiative, and other execrable principles, such as personal responsibility, e.g., Ann Coulter.

    But, they totally welcome you to push on campus infanticide, e.g., Peter Singer.

  • I am truly waxing hateful this evening.

    About double, 2,500,000, unemployed adults are living with the parents since Obama brought us the “good news.”

    And, going on three weeks later, there are still thousands of Obama voters without heat, lights or water in NYC. One blurted out, “Where you been?”

    Unlimited government: limited ability to help.

  • The post linked below on Hot Air references a CNN poll in August on abortion which shows a majority for pro-life:

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/11/15/re-rasmussens-abortion-poll/

    After this year’s election however, I think polls have about as much predictive value as reading chicken entrails or plain old-fashioned guessing.

  • there are still thousands of Obama voters without heat, lights…

    “heck of a job …” he he . I wonder how many of those “science and reality based” Democrats now understand that in the face of Mother Nature’s wrecking fury all our plans, contingencies and engineering abilities amount to nothing.

  • Take heart Donald, Dostoevsky shared your skepticism:

    It seemed to me that calculation was superfluous, and by no means possessed of the importance which certain other players attached to it, even though they sat with ruled papers in their hands, whereon they set down the coups, calculated the chances, reckoned, staked, and–lost exactly as we more simple mortals did who played without any reckoning at all. The Gamblers.

  • ‘ And, going on three weeks later, there are still thousands of Obama voters without heat, lights or water in NYC. One blurted out, “Where you been?”

    Unlimited government: limited ability to help.’

    1. Numbers of voters:
    – doesn’t matter as evidenced by getting more votes than there are voters
    – doesn’t matter because no R’s vote in certain machines anyway
    2. Compassion for suffering victims beyond words as seen in the union pitching in, er – and the charity buck stopping somewhere unseen, both going unreported to the victims during photo-ops. Schlepping things to people is work for what?, rewards in Heaven or a happy heart? That’s not in the above book.
    3. Governing stuff around the world stage – nobody’s business where. NYC is on the list and blaming dares not happen in 2012.

  • There’s also Barak’s miracle of the multiplication of the taxes and regulations. Plus, who can forget when Barak brought the blind and the sick to heel? Drove the moneychangers from Goldman Sachs into the temple? Or when Barak called out and the tax was raised and came forth from the tomb?

    And while fasting in the economic growth desert, Barak yielded to temptations; he transformed a stone into taxes then from high atop the temple he threw himself off the fiscal cliff and was held aloft by rising taxes…

  • “except this four star review by someone who has seen the Truth”

    That, too, sounds like total snark to me. Maybe I don’t run with the right crowd or something but not a single liberal Democrat I know (and I do know some) would take this book seriously.

  • Don, I am simply floored by that Book and by Jeff’s outburst. What in the name of the Holy Angels has happened toyour beloved U.S. of America??? But then, what would an old grandma like me know except remember that Hitler was elected by a landslide majority. Prayers for your country are ongoing.

  • “That, too, sounds like total snark to me.”

    Ya think? 🙂

    Linked below is a liberal Democrat who I am sure has his copy reserved:
    http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/morford/article/Is-Obama-an-enlightened-being-Spiritual-wise-2544395.php

    People who aren’t nut cases and voted for Obama actually concern me far more than the Obama cultists Elaine. Rather on the same grounds when a client in a criminal matter advises me that he was drunk or stoned while doing something incredibly stupid, and my stock response is to reply, “Well, it is a relief at least to know that you weren’t stone cold sober when you did it!”

  • “Prayers for your country are ongoing.”

    I appreciate the prayers Mary. Unfortunately America and the world is going to go through a very rough patch indeed before any of this will get any better. Christ, in His mercy, will see us through.

  • Here’s a follow-up at HotAir on the Rasmussen poll showing a heavy pro-abortion tilt:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/15/rasmussen-54-now-call-themselves-pro-choice-38-pro-life/

    Looks like it’s more than just Rasmussen showing a shift to the pro-death side during this election.

  • Again, leaders make a difference. I wonder where we’ll be four years from now.

  • If American history is a guide, probably rejoicing in the repudiation of the Democrats at the polls. It is very rare in American history since FDR for a party to hold on to the White House for more than two terms, happening precisely once in 1988.

  • “All attempts to create heaven on earth lead to hell on earth.” Camus

  • Surprise!

    More good news!

    Super-storm Sandy claims more victims: Ding Dongs, Twinkies, et al.

    Next week’s 18,500 new, Hostess unemployment claims will be Sandy’s fault, too.

    Union struggles for heaven in the here-and-now played no part.

  • A PAGAN NATION?

    Has it finally come to an ignominious end?
    Must liberty and religious freedom we now rescind?
    Our Founding Fathers must now be assuredly aghast,
    If they knew their City on a Hill is now in the past.

    America was a definitive faith exercise.
    The United States is now decidedly otherwise.
    Compromise between good and evil can never prevail.
    Without the God our nation trusted, life is no avail.

    The Declaration of Independence we could once trust.
    Life, liberty, and happiness have been overcome with lust.
    Seeds of democracy’s destruction have now germinated.
    Every phase of government has been permeated.

    The American dream is now only a socialist scheme.
    It has then become a nightmare we can only blaspheme.
    American traitors committed a scandalous sin.
    They should never be allowed to enjoy freedom again.

    We must resurrect revolution to save us once more.
    Tyranny is something we have always known to deplore.
    God help return religious freedom to our native shore.
    So we can ask You to bless America evermore.

    Bob Rowland
    X1/XII/MMXII

  • I am very glad I had an empty stomach when I read the description of the book.

Beware the Cult of Personality

Thursday, October 6, AD 2011

I have mixed emotions about Sarah Palin’s announcement that she won’t be running for the presidency.  Though she would not have been my top choice had she entered the fray, she at least would have been in the portion of the field that I am still considering voting for (with Perry, Cain, Santorum and Gingrich).  She would have provided a change of pace from the rest of the crop of candidates.  And, frankly, I like her and think she’s a much more insightful and perceptive person than given credit for. But I am not convinced that her time is now, so it’s probably for the best that she is not part of the conversation for 2012.

One of the fascinating things in watching the conservative end of the blogosphere over the past few months is the intense reaction that Palin sparks.  Of course there are her detractors, both right and left.  Some of these individual – in particular the wannabe gynecologists – border on the pathological.  There are valid criticisms to be levied against Palin, but I’ve seen otherwise reasonable people turn into irrational cranks when it comes to her.  She may not have been the best candidate for president, but she is not quite the manipulative, dumb, vacuous or whatever adjective you want to throw out there individual that her most vocal critics have portrayed her as being.

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  • Most politicians cannot be adequately judged until at least a century has passed from their death, and the passions of their time have died away. Of course some passions never completely die away, as is demonstrated in the comboxes whenever I post about Lincoln!

  • I will remember the following from Governor Plain’s statement to Mark Levin.

    “Saving the country is all that matters, and the first step required for that task is to totally reverse our current course. Of course, that includes removal of the current occupant in the White House.”

    You should do a study of the Cult of the Obama-worshiping Imbecile. They make Cargo Cultists look like Einsteins.

  • From the title, I thought you were going to blog about Steve Jobs.

  • Not really asking for a savior – almost the opposite: someone who is humble enough to understand the limits of office and stick to them.

  • T. Shaw, Sarah was anything but Gov. Plain. 🙂

    Also, great video. Living Colour’s first album, Vivid, rocked hard. Album no. 2 was okay with a couple of good songs, but it went downhill quickly after that.

  • I have Time’s Up but not Vivid. It was actually in the group of five cds that were the first ones I ever bought, and I’m not sure I ever listened to it again after the first time I played it.

  • “Put your trust not in princes. It’s a biblical injunction that we ought to heed. We’ve seen what happens when a large segment of the population treats a political figure as the Messiah, and we’re working to clean up that mess right now.”

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Even the real Messiah refused to be a political Messiah, to the disappointment of some of His followers.

    I would have to also agree with c matt that what we should be looking for is NOT a candidate who will change the world and solve all our problems but someone who, recognizing the limits of their office, won’t promise what they can’t deliver and who won’t make things worse.

  • We look to man to do what God alone can accomplish. Everyone wants a messiah who will solve their problems. The best thing elected officials can do is to remain humble, honest, and realistic.

Cult of Personality-Take 2

Saturday, September 26, AD 2009

A followup to my earlier post on school kids singing a hymn of praise to Obama.  Hattip to Gateway Pundit.  Apparently the video was posted on YouTube by the proud teacher behind this piece of agitprop.

“We began to write the song after watching the Inauguration. Our school day is packed bell to bell with academics, but were usually able to spend the last five minutes of singing songs as short ELD (English Language Development) activities. Day by day we used this tiny window of time to brainstorm lyrics. As the song took shape, the children became more and more proud of their accomplishment. It soon morphed into a tribute to MLK and others honored for their work towards social justice.

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  • “Oooo Im a proud American”

    “Political indoctrination in our schools-thank the NEA.”

    Donald, are you sure you’re not a closet hippie? Relocating to Canada anytime soon?

  • And miss participating in the rout of the party that you vote for Todd? Not on your glory & praise hymnal!

  • Swing and another miss, Donald. I don’t vote Dem on the federal level. We independents outnumber R’s by a 2-1 margin. We might well be a political force that exceeds both parties. Another try?

  • Actually Todd I believe Obama is a Democrat on the federal level and you have stated you voted for him.

    Here is a link to the politics collection on your website. You are as independent as Nancy Pelosi.

    http://catholicsensibility.wordpress.com/category/politics/page/8/

  • And from a comment you left on Inside Catholic last year:

    “I think you overstate the choice, Deal. Obama is a moderate. If he were a true liberal, he’d have moved beyond Nixon’s universal health care. A true secular liberal would be bringing the troops home on 21 Jan 2009, abolishing the death penalty, advocating same day registration and voting, resuscitating the ERA, overhauling the tax code, repealing NAFTA, legalizing cannabis, refinancing social security, signing Kyoto, and deporting Rupert Murdoch.

    The scare tactics are unimpressive, my friend. Some will be duped, but you are right this election does provide a clear choice. McCain will have to distance himself from the stain of immorality and incompetence of the past 7.4 years of Republican rule. As I’ve said elsewhere, the only thing saving the GOP right now is that in a two-party system the worst one can do is second place. If the US were a parliamentary democracy, W would already be gone and the party would be in shreds.”

    http://insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3851&Itemid=80

    If you don’t regularly vote Dem on the national level, I suspect it is because you view them as too conservative.

  • “You are as independent as Nancy Pelosi.”

    Strike three. But you get a bonus point for the research … or the portfolio you keep on me. I’m a registered independent. Proudly so. I don’t believe the Speaker has abandoned her party affiliation overnight.

    It is true I view President Obama as a moderate Democrat. If he were as liberal as Dennis Kucinich, say, he would be unelectable. I disagree with his handling of foreign policy in Afghanistan. I don’t like the people he has in Treasury or their policies. But I’m a realist when it comes to politics.

    Getting back to your meme I don’t think you’ve uncovered indoctrination any more than some on the Far Left have uncovered racism in the opposition to the president.

    It’s more accurate to say this is a tussle over celebritism and anti-celebritism. Americans have their heroes: politicians, athletes, and media stars on the whole. And Americans also indulge an anti-celebrity streak, as you and many other Catholic conservatives do. It’s not a surprise that conservatives, still feeling the sting of getting mangled in the past two federal elections, are somewhat more anti- these days. After all, who do you have as a serious contender right now?

    Donald, I think you just need to look a little deeper than your hurt feelings. Otherwise, this kind of conservative commentary comes off as Oprah-worthy whining.

    Take the last word, my friend. This has been a tough one for you.

  • Let’s see Todd you don’t vote for Dems on the federal level but you did vote for Obama. You do see the contradiction therein don’t you? As for last year’s election Todd, I think it is good for Americans to give the Dems complete power every generation or so. It often serves as an innoculation against that particular mistake for quite a few years. Doubtless Todd we will be seeing more of you at AC as the outlook grows increasingly bleak for the Dems in 2010, and I look forward to it. Peace, Todd.

  • Todd:

    “Oooo Im a proud American” is a perfectly admirable sentiment. But in context–especially in the absence of anything similar pre-Obama–it’s clearly–and only–a pep rally for The One. And I know you didn’t miss this part of the chorus:

    “YES WE CAN!”

    Just admit it’s a ham-handed (and in the long-term ineffective) bit of political proselytizing and attack the outrage from another angle.

    BTW, I missed your NFL preview this year. I hope you didn’t peg the Lions as anything better than 3-13. The team is better, but that’s not saying much given last year’s historical milestone.

  • “I missed your NFL preview this year. I hope you didn’t peg the Lions as anything better than 3-13. The team is better, but that’s not saying much given last year’s historical milestone.”

    Though I like the Vikings and always have and they did well this past Sunday vs. the Lions, there is no way imho that they deserved to win that one game versus the Lions last year. Calls by the officials helped Minnesota. And then, it would have been Brad Childress’ team that lost the only game that Detroit won last year.

    Pro Football is a bit of an oddity, why some teams can do well every year and there are some teams that hardly ever do well. In general, I’m against the dominant teams. Before the Salary Cap; for some reason, money I guess, the Cowboys and the 49ers were way ahead of everyone else.

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  • Remember Rev Jim Jones ? Time to open a Kool-Aid stand

  • Did you notice nobody was kneeling? Where oh where are the liturgical police when you need them.

  • The Cult of the Lions! Detroit Wins!

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  • Yep, my comfort level with homeschooling goes up a little more every week.

    Here’s the Burlington schools superintendent’s response, which offers no apology whatsoever:

    Dear Burlington Township Families:

    Today we became aware of a video that was placed on the internet which has been reported in the media. The video is of a class of students singing a song about President Obama. The activity took place during Black History Month in 2009, which is recognized each February to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country. Our curriculum studies, honors and recognizes those who serve our country. The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized.

    If you have any further questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me or Dr. King, Principal of B. Bernice Young School, directly.

    Sincerely,
    Dr. Christopher M. Manno,
    Superintendent of Schools

    http://www.burltwpsch.org/?pageID=00013&docset=super&docid=200910011

  • Lyrics that would otherwise never be allowed at this school suddenly become acceptable, just so long as you substitute the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” for “Jesus”:

    “Red or yellow, black or white, all are [equal] in his [or is it His?] sight.”

    Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm.

    And to think that last year many of us were criticized (quite harshly in some quarters) for poking fun at the messianic overtones in much of the adulation towards Obama.

  • There is just about no chance I will ever send any of my children to a public school. That was the case before this, and this just re-affirms my opinion.

  • Why don’t we scrap the lame lyrics and poor tone and just chant:

    Duce! Duce! or Fuerher! Fuerher!

    This is just sick.

    But you’d better be nice to these kids, they will be watching you as you type, set your thermostat, fire a gun, hunt, drive a car, pray, etc. etc.

    Big Brother needs eyes everywhere and cameras can only do so much.

  • Good Lord.

    Have mercy on us, Jesus Christ, for we are a nation of frighteningly servile utter nitwits, singing praises to tubes of toothpaste and empty-suited politicians with gushing enthusiasm, while neglecting your altar, denying your Father, and rejecting your Spirit.

  • Except that these are just children, Knight and Excelsior, who were taught to parrot this nonsense by someone presented to them as a trustworthy adult. They may have vague notions of who “Barack Hussein Obama” is and what a “president” is, but it’s doubtful any of them really understood what they were chanting.

    The kids don’t worry me nearly as much as the adults who took advantage of their innocence in this exploitative indoctrination attempt.

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  • cminor,

    It isn’t the kid in and of themselves that frighten me. It is what is being done to them and what that may make them do.

    What is taught in today’s clasroom is tomorrow’s policy.

  • I love the part were they do the little “sieg heil”, “sieg heil”, “sieg heil”, with the nazi salute. It looks a lot like this:

    http://www.authordon.com/images/site_graphics/hilter_youth_mind_contol.jpg

    or this:

    http://www.authordon.com/images/site_graphics/YouthColor.jpg

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  • Can I ask an rather obvious question? Is this a one-off activity? Or is there a clear and consistent pattern? Where is the actual evidence besides these seemingly isolated youtube videos?

    It seems unless there is a clear established pattern of consistent activities like this within all schools that we are over-interpreting things. To claim this is the establishment of a “cult of personality” is to severely trivialize what a cult of personality actually is and what it actually looks like (sorry, the “cult” around Obama is nowhere even remotely close in scope to Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Hussein, Jong-Il, etc.)

    It could just be a poorly conceived activity. Lord knows I had to go through a few of them in my schooling…

  • John,

    if you see 5 or 10 roaches in your kitchen, do you assume they are isolated roaches? The fact is that there are obviously far more incidents which have not been videoed at all, and many that never found their way to Youtube.

    Nobody is claiming that the cult of personality is currently at the level you mention, but those cults I’m sure started more isolated and progressed. That’s what we’re trying to stop.

  • @ Matt- are you comparing the public education system to a roach infestation? So is your solution is to fire all the teachers (cockroaches), seeing as the teacher (cockroach) who led the activity is supposedly a harbinger of all the other teachers (cockroaches) also leading similar activities? Maybe we need another analogy…

    Is it obvious? I’m not so sure it is. Is it a “fact?” A fact is something “known to exist/have existed.” Apparently we have a few videos that prove one thing- these classes sang songs about Obama. Are they tasteless? Yes. Are they totally out of place in an elementary school classroom? ABSOLUTELY. Are they evidence of a state-sponsored attempt to hijack the brains of today’s children? Not sure about that…

    Unless I see clear evidence 1) that students participate in repeated activities (aka, more than one) of this sort and 2) of a centralized mandate coming from Obama or Arnie Duncan or whoever that schools must comply with regarding COP activities, I will chalk this up to highly localized decisions on the part of individual teachers to be dealt with on a local level. How are we so sure that these activities aren’t simply the products of poor lesson planning? Why pick a conspiracy of nefarious intent over simple incompetence?

    It is also amazing that for conservatives (the ones typically leading the accusations of a COP) that government is so incompetent on EVERYTHING, but Obama can somehow successfully implement an initiative to program the youth in a little over 8 months of his term in Office. Why the sudden assumption of competence?

    While the activities are poorly conceived, let’s not go crazy about it. I am actually pretty critical of Obama, but I really feel this COP stuff is overstating the available evidence.

Obama Speech: Public Option Now

Wednesday, September 9, AD 2009

Obama speech

[Updates at the bottom of this post as of 5:52am CDT on AD 9-9-2009]

News is emanating from the White House that President Obama’s monumental speech will push for the infamous public option.  It is well known that most Republicans will call this a deal breaker but at the same time liberal Democrats will say the opposite that no Health Care bill will get through if it doesn’t contain a public option.

Jonathan Weisman and Janet Adamy have reported in the Wall Street Journal that President Obama will be pushing for the public option.  It is also being reported that there will be penalties imposed to those that are not paying for Health Care, regardless of the reasons.

White House aides acknowledged they expect little Republican support if any.

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  • I think you misunderstand what “the public wants.”

    True recent polls say that they don’t think Obama is doing a good job of leading on the issue – he let democracy work, I guess that was his first problem in your eyes.

    However the TV shots of people who yell about losing their country are NOT THE MAJORITY.

    At the most negative level, the country is (as usual) about equally divide on the issue of the public option with about 10% undecided. Moreover after the initial poll, when people are given information about what the public option means, this goes to about 70% in favor of the public option. These polls were done in August by both Pew and a Time poll I believe.

    The tea parties DID make an impact on him, but he is not the president of just those people, he is also the president of the less vocal majority.

    I know these kinds of polls are never shown on FOX, they have their own polls and their reporting bias is pretty obvious.

    Yes, if we get a public option and it doesn’t work, the public will vote Obama out of office. That’s democracy. But that’s what conservatives thought about Social Security and the Clean Air and Water Acts and rural electrification and the same folks who protest any role of the federal government on health care are often the same ones who use those very same programs. Irony is a beach.

    BTW, the whining about the “cult of personality” was always dumb, but now its getting old. Reagan did it and conservatives have beatified him for it, so the current angst about Obama is hardly unbiased.

  • And if Obama loses in 2012, so be it. Hopefully he will have tried to do what he thought was right and not compromised just to hold on to power – but I doubt you would give him even that much credit.

  • You assume a lot MacGregor.

    I’m not a fan of Social Security and the clean air acts.

    Plus regardless if the public option “works” or not, it’ll stay there forever just as Social Security is here forever.

    Government always grows and never retracts.

    When people continue to raise their voice in town halls, tea party protests, and contacting their congressional reps, and Obama still refuses to listen, you’ll see the majority vote Obama and his colleagues out of office.

  • Obama believes in a cult of personality because he thinks he can persuade people of his point of view through a speech? Don’t you think that’s a little disingenuous? All leaders, religious and political, give speeches on subjects in attempts to persuade people of their opinions. Some of us might even argue that it’s a better approach than yelling loudly at town hall meetings or holding incoherent “tea parties.”

    And why would you oppose the clean air act (which is generally very popular, even if you oppose it)?

  • Yes, if we get a public option and it doesn’t work, the public will vote Obama out of office. That’s democracy.

    Actually the bill isn’t set to go into effect until after the 2012 elections. So even if it turns out to be a disaster people won’t get the chance to vote Obama out because of it.

    In terms of polling, support for health care reform tends to evaporate when you put a price tag on it.

  • “Yes, if we get a public option and it doesn’t work, the public will vote Obama out of office. That’s democracy.”

    Actually the bill isn’t set to go into effect until after the 2012 elections. So even if it turns out to be a disaster people won’t get the chance to vote Obama out because of it.

    All that is still beside the point. Political retribution is of no consequence. The reason to make sure things are done right in the first place is that the the consequences are great. Good policy will benefit society now and our posterity, bad policy has long lasting negative effects. I’m no fan of Obama, but I’d happily support anything he does that is good and give him due credit for it. I just don’t think what’s in the offering is good, and since there’s basically no going back (to something genuinely good or even the status quo), there’s good reason to oppose the entire bill.

  • It’s not a “cult of personality.” It’s called communication and trying to build a consensus, and it’s how politics is supposed to work. Too many ignorant and angry voices are spreading falsehoods about what is about to transpire, and it is the President’s JOB to get information out there and make this process as transparent as possible. He has spent months listening to the debates and the Republicans have NO proposal other than opposing any proposal he offers or any effort he makes to bring this country together – however large or small. It’s a sad, sad day when we have people protesting a message about working hard in school and taking responsibility for one’s future. Likewise, much of the opposition to health care reform remains sadly uninformed about the present system AND about the proposals at hand. Such a position does not build anything. It doesn’t even try to promote consensus. It doesn’t do anything at all to help the millions of people who are suffering because of our broken, inefficient, and corrupt system. It rests idly on the willingness of those who are comfortable with the current system to ignore the problem and look the other way. I’m disgusted by the “I have mine, who cares about everyone else” attitude so prevalent in these discussions. There are millions of Catholics, myself included, who support the President and this initiative.

  • He has spent months listening to the debates and the Republicans have NO proposal other than opposing any proposal he offers or any effort he makes to bring this country together –

    You people keep repeating this, but it’s manifestly untrue. In fact, it is an out and out LIE. Republicans – elected officials, commentators, and think tankers – have offered various alternative proposals, but the President and his minions have ignored them all and continue to act as though the other side doesn’t exist. That’s certainly their prerogative because they have the numbers to do so, but stop pretending that the President is interested in “dialogue” and compromise.

    Likewise, much of the opposition to health care reform remains sadly uninformed about the present system AND about the proposals at hand.

    Why do you presume that the people protesting the current plan are the ignorant ones? Are you fully aware of the full scope of what’s being proposed? Have you scanned every page of the proposed legislation? Somehow I doubt it.

    There are millions of Catholics, myself included, who support the President and this initiative.

    And there are millions more who oppose it. Deal with it.

  • Tracey,
    Please read this linked statement on Health Care Reform by Bishop Guglielmone: http://www.catholic-doc.org/BishopGuglielmone/Health%20Care%20memo.pdf

  • Also see this bishop’s less than approving letter on the plan:

    http://www.archden.org/index.cfm/ID/2440/Archbishop’s-Column/

  • Credit to Jay Anderson on that find.

  • And PPH’s president criticizing US Bishops for their stance. This was probably covered a few weeks ago. http://www.lifenews.com/nat5375.html

  • Tito, you couldnt be helped by a public option?
    Obama is proposing we get to have and keep healthcare whether jobless or having a pre-existing condition. Also, if you want to keep the healthcare you have, you can. I fail to see the problem. Ill wager most of the folks posting here have socialized medicine already-medicare anyone? Paul, what are these competing plans? Im familiar with Max Baucus’, what else? The president has been more than fair on taking input from all sides. Wouldnt this be good for us?

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  • Health care or not, I’m partisan to a president that can lower my taxes and fix what the housing market “greed” created… Just get the job market back up and avoid more scams…including “communism”

Overreacting, The Left Needs To Wake Up To Reality

Tuesday, September 8, AD 2009

GOP overreaction to Obama speechLiberals and Democrats have accused many Americans of overreacting to the speech that President Obama will be delivering to school children today (at 11:00 am Central Daylight Time).

On the surface this would seem a fair evaluation but if you dig a little deeper, those on the Left may well be making another crucial misdiagnosis of the source and cause of this reaction.

First lets examine the prism that those on the Left have viewed this reaction.

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33 Responses to Overreacting, The Left Needs To Wake Up To Reality

  • You, and so many others, are conflating legitimate opposition to policy with lunacy. Just because you’re on the same side of the aisle doesn’t mean you have to defend all of them. The Birthers and now the Uneducators cannot be reasoned with and trying will only be politically counterproductive. Obama and the Democrats gain by keeping alive this perception that Republicans are crazy.

  • Well I am opposed to Obama’s nationwide speech to school kids and I am not an “Uneducator”. I have a teacher’s BA in social studies which I obtained before I ran off to Law School. My wife has an MA in Library Science and an MA in Spanish, and has taught Spanish in a public high school, and she opposes this use of the students of America as a political prop for this floundering administration. All three of our kids attend our local public high school. The superintendant of our school system has decided to burn the speech onto some DVDs and make them available to kids who want to watch it, but not to turn over instruction time to this Presidential nationwide photo-op.

  • I don’t oppose the president’s speech at all, but I do think the teacher’s lesson plan put out by the White House smacked of the cult of personality.

  • The text of the speech is here. On a quick perusal, it appears to be an “eat your vegetables” speech, no different from those given by prior presidents. Not sure what the fuss is about.

  • Blackadder-
    Given that it doesn’t match up with the topics listed even in the re-done study guide, it would be reasonable to assume the speech was significantly re-written. This guess is bolstered by the fact that they didn’t release the speech days ago, instead of the morning prior to the scheduled talk.

  • Lesson plans asking students to write about “Is he challenging you to do anything?” Easily can be lead down the partisan route by a partisan teacher (and plenty of those in public schools.) Doesn’t help that is was written in part by the White House with the Dept. of Education. The faux pas was clear even to the White House and DOE resulting in changes to the lesson plans. Should have also released the content of the speech prior to today. Who’s to say the opposition didn’t change the wording of the speech.

    Some potential problems with the lesson plans:

    http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/03/politicizing-the-department-of-education/

  • Foxfier anticipated part of what I am saying.

  • Foxfire,

    I’m not sure what study materials you are referring to. The study materials I’ve seen (and that would include the materials referenced in the article Phillip cites to) seems to match up pretty well with what’s actually in the speech.

    My understanding is that the study materials for the Obama speech track pretty closely the materials for Bush’s speech to school children back in the early 1990s. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if whatever Dept of Ed underlying was assigned to prepare the materials just ripped off the prior version.

  • Actually no. The Dept. of Ed admits the lesson plans were written in collaboration with the White House – and not the Bush White House.

  • The topics mentioned were “citizenship, personal responsibility, and civic duty”– only two of those three can sort of be found in the speech.

    Do you have a link to said materials? I’ve heard that statement morphing from “maybe Bush the Elder did it” to “these are exactly what Bush the Elder had” over the course of the weekend.

    Also, we do know who wrote the lesson plans– they were in large part provided by the White House.

  • Folks like MM love to make the hypocrisy point, claiming that everyone was fine when Reagan and Bush made similar speeches. Not so fast: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

  • I’m sure this point will be brought up on NPR this afternoon. Waiting…Waiting…Waiting.

  • SB, you simply don’t understand. The problem is the difference between devils (R) and gods (D).

    Either way though, it’s just one more reason to homeschool.

  • Here’s the lesson plans. Also the Dept of Ed site notes that the plans were written in collaboration with the White House:

    http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html

  • Folks like MM love to make the hypocrisy point, claiming that everyone was fine when Reagan and Bush made similar speeches.

    Okay, so liberals are hypocrites for objecting then and not now, and conservatives are hypocrites for objecting now but not then. The question is whether there’s anything objectionable about what the President said. If there is, I’m not seeing it.

  • Is there anything objectionable about the lesson plans as originally formulated – Yes. Is there anything objectionable about what he was going to say before the fuss began – maybe. The protest may have done its job in more ways then one.

  • What was objectionable about the lesson plans as originally written?

  • What *isn’t* creepy about telling kids to write letters on how they can help the president, to be collected and passed out later to see how they’re living up to the goal?

    What if you’re not inspired by Obama, for that matter?

    (For that matter, the idea of a speech being interesting and challenging for pre-schoolers through seniors is kinda bloody weird, too, especially for someone that has kids.)

  • If I want my kids to listen to a politician I’ll take them to see said politician, without the assistance of the school or the White House, thank you very much. (In regard to my kids, however, if Obama wanted to address a classroom in person I would love for the class to contain my three kids. Two of them would ask follow-up questions that would leave a mark! My autistic son would probably be wondering how one of Dad’s boring political shows followed him to school!)
    A factor overlooked in all of this of course is that the National Education Association, the teacher’s union, has been a dominant power in the Democrat party for decades. The idea that a fair share of their membership will not be attempting to make partisan hay out of this is risible.

    The link below is to their story on the Obama address at the NEA website. As the first comment notes the NEA protested Bush addressing four classrooms in 1991.

    http://www.nea.org/home/35721.htm

  • One of the suggested activities in the original was to write about “how to help the president.” It was changed to “how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals.” IMO the criticism was fair and it was rectified. Still doesn’t explain why so many are opposed to children even hearing the speech.

  • Restrained Radical,

    I noted your points in my posting. And I explained why there was an overreaction.

    The reaction is to President Obama’s policies itself that manifested since the mainstream media refused to air any of the legitimate news concerning this growing grassroots movement. Add to this that President Obama and his proxies continue to slur and belittle any news that percolates to the surface and you have what happened with President Obama’s video to kids.

    It’s all in my posting.

  • Another problem is that the lesson plans ask older students to look at past Obama speeches on education and post quotes around the classroom. Of course past education speeches of Obama are riddled with errors. This from teh Washington Post:

    “Studies show that children in early childhood education programs are more likely to score higher in reading and math, more likely to graduate from high school and attend college, more likely to hold a job and more likely to earn more in that job. For every dollar we invest in these programs, we get nearly $10 back in reduced welfare rolls, fewer health-care costs and less crime. That’s why [the stimulus law] invests $5 billion in growing Early Head Start and Head Start.”

    Early education is a contentious issue, with many types of programs serving various goals.

    There is research to show lasting benefits for some kids who later move into good schools. There is research to show that such benefits fade if they do not move into strong schools. There is research to show that some programs help kids from low-income families become academically prepared for school. And there is research to show some programs don’t do more than babysit.

    Head Start, the country’s largest publicly funded preschool program, is praised by supporters for providing comprehensive education, health care and other support to low-income families. Critics say some programs are uneven and have little or no impact on academic performance. Finally, there are many estimates about how much money preschool saves in the long run. Obama’s is not the final word.

    DROPOUTS

    “Our high school dropout rate has tripled in the past 30 years.”

    For this statistic, the Education Department says that the president drew on a report from the National Board on Educational Testing and Public Policy at Boston College that was cited by the College Board in December. It said: “The rate at which students disappear from schools between grades 9 and 12 has tripled in the last 30 years.”

    How such rates are calculated is highly controversial. Dropouts are hard to track in part because kids move around. Graduation rates are often cited, but analysts say they have been fudged in some places. According to University of Chicago professor Melissa Roderick, it all depends on how and whom you count. One way is to calculate the people who wind up getting some kind of high school diploma or equivalency degree by their mid-20s. About 87 percent of people ages 25 to 29 are getting such degrees.

    If you look at kids who are getting diplomas on time, after four years of high school, that overall rate is about 75 percent, she said, although it is much lower for black and Hispanic students. States, pushed by the federal government, are moving to standardize the use of this on-time graduation rate.

  • What *isn’t* creepy about telling kids to write letters on how they can help the president, to be collected and passed out later to see how they’re living up to the goal?

    One of my co-workers told me the other day that he remembers watching Ronald Reagan speak when he was a kid in school and was assigned to write about how he could help the President (the co-worker is a conservative Republican, btw, and no fan of Obama).

    It’s only creepy if you want it to be.

  • On graduation rates– don’t forget private or homeschooling might “look” like a kid dropped out, or those folks who join the military early and get their GED in bootcamp.

  • True. My point is that included in the lesson plans was quoting past Obama speeches on education. Even one’s that are quite flawed in their data. So a student might decide to write his legislator about increasing funding for Headstart. Even though there’s no evidence that that works. Except from a partisan perspective. And there’s the problem.

  • Blackadder-
    Was that from the nation-wide, White House provided lesson plan, or did his teacher do it on his own?
    Was this after he directly contacted principals to get them to show his speech?
    Come to think of it, how old was your co-worker? How well does he remember this? (I’ve seen false memories show up for stuff that’s less than a year old, let alonenearly twenty-one years old.)

    November 14th of 88, Reagan did a Q&A for school kids that was carried on C-SPAN. He was nearing the end of his term, had no big irons in the fire, wasn’t hugely controversial, didn’t try to subvert usual channels, hadn’t just chosen a ton of highly controversial advisors and wasn’t accusing the opposition of manufacturing (violent) protests while doing so himself.
    With just one or two of these, the Obama thing might not be a big deal. With all of these things, it’s a big deal.

  • Yes. It would be good to see the lesson plans developed by the DOE and the White House for both the Reagan and Bush speechs. I just can find them on Google.

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  • So after all of this fuss and fuming and hyperbole, and after the speech has been described as good, topical and non-partisan by a great number of independent and moderate Republican leaders nation-wide, the anti-Obama posters here still think there was a great conspiracy to indoctrinate kids – wow, what a shock. I guess it is better to accuse the president of an unproven, unlikely theoretical malfeasance based upon one’s political orientation than to judge what actually happened.

    That

    First, yes the Dept. of Education wrote a series of suggested activities and topics – that is what the Dept. of Education does.

    Second, yes White House staff – not a giant uber-being called the White House, but some White House staffers helped. Why? Because they being in the White House, actually might have known some of the topics of the speech. If the WH had sent no staff to the Dept. of Ed., that would have been really stupid and the Dept. of Ed. would have not known what to activities to suggest. Is this logic difficult to follow?

    Third, all speeches go through a series of revisions (as do ALL lesson plans) up until they are published. Now, maybe Obama originally had the words, “Look into my eyes and join the Democratic party,” or “Hey kids lets all chant, ‘public option, public option, yea public option,” or maybe even “When I was your age, I enjoyed reading such books as Mein Kampf and histories of the Bolshevik revolutionaries,” until right-wingers complained and then he removed them … or maybe he actually wanted kids to stay in school and be responsible for their own education … and then maybe someone said, “Make sure you add something about being careful about coming down with the flu,” and so things like that were added? As Tito demonstrated in the article, it is easy to overlook the simple answer when you are passionately looking for a more sinister one.

    Phillip: So you say that statistics can be difficult to interpret and the methodology of creating them differs from organization to organization and state to state. Yeah, I think we probably already know that. That may be one of the bad effects of local control. When you want to compare things across the nation, it is often useful to use national standards … oops, that darn federal government getting in our business again! There is actually a valid way, though of looking at data that comes from different sources and that is to study it longitudinally. That is, as long as the different statistics consistently use the same techniques from year to year (this is the reason we have state statisticians) then you can look for trends. If these trend show increases and there are what are called “internal or external threats to validity,” then those statistics can give you some insight. It is limited and it is conditional, but I’m sure you as a teacher and a lawyer, you must use some statistics in your work.

    Foxfier, they already know which students are homeschooled and even private schools have to give their data for these studies. The most difficult thing that I came across when I worked for a few years in an urban school, was with the students who changed schools mid-year if their family moved. This is a surprisingly large number of kids (5-10%) and a real problem with their education.

    Foxfier, I think you are a bit disingenuous when you say that Reagan’s talk to students (carried on a network that was broadcast to many schools) was somehow so innocent and apolitical and as if you was just a kindly old man talking to some kids. Well, yes democrats largely kept it apolitical because liberals realized that it was a great thing for the most powerful man in the world to take time out of his day to talk to kids and I guess that was a time of greater respect for the office. However, Reagan was NOT uncontroversial – he had the Iran-Contra scandal that still is reverberating, he had the most advisors of any president ever (until Bush 2) under indictment, he had . He WAS accusing his opposition of a great many things, it was just that his opponents were mostly protesting issues, like moving nuclear waste and clear-cutting redwoods, they weren’t attacking him or arriving to his speeches holding semi-automatic weapons.

    Aside: After the attempted assassination on Reagan, how restrained do you think Reagan’s secret service would have been compared to the way restraint that Obama’s secret service detail has been even as people have waved signs describing how blood should be spilled and that he is the moral equivalent to Hitler? Given that the last few years have shown that it is mostly radical white conservatives how have killed the most people for cultural and political reasons, the authorities have shown remarkable skill and restraint.

    So Obama is really no more controversial than Reagan was, they both inherited problems, though Obama inherited worse ones according to Bush, and they both took principled stands that have made them targets for dissent, but there is a difference. Just like Tito and Foxfier some conservatives are already so convinced of a pattern of behavior, so prejudiced to a perception about Obama that ANYTHING he does is colored. And of course to my mind, the problem is that this perception is false.

    Obama has not belittled his opponents, has never dismissed the tea partiers as unAmerican (find the video!!) or even lashed out at those who whine about his citizenship. He is actually almost to “no drama Obama” about almost everything, except when he jumped the gun on the Gates arrest. If you can’t see that he is the most restrained president in a long, long time than you are mightily biased and you’ve forgotten when Reagan said this:

    I realize that for some, as long as an older, moderately conservative white president tells someone to shut up, that it is a “manly, American” moment, yet if a younger, moderately liberal black president would say the same thing, it would be the act of an arrogant elitist cult figure. I’m not accusing anyone here of this, but I can’t help think of what the “birthers” would say. It is prejudice, it is about culture war politics and it is a symptom of people who have lost or never had a way to be self-reflective and intellectually honest.

    The liberal hecklers who shouted at President Reagan and the two Presidents Bush, were generally young and though vocal were not a large segment of the population – those who actually formed the loyal, liberal opposition were usually respectful. Those who over-reacted to Obama’s speech and attended some of the town halls and tea parties are parents and people who should either know better or be better role models. Not to stop voicing their opinions or to stop articulating their opposition – for that is the messy reality of democracy – but they should at least act like adults.

    To me the thesis of this entire thread seems to be false as I read it.

    1. President Obama was not elected because people were merely protesting a bad economy. That is flat out unsupportable. Both McCain and Obama were BOTH running against the Bush economy and the people actually had a choice of philosophies and a choice of candidates and Obama fit what the people wanted.

    2. The voters did not vote for a greatly expanded bureaucracy, yes, but they did vote for a candidate who was refreshing in several ways, first he actually didn’t blame the federal government for everything. He talked about government in an adult manner, not trying to call it evil while at the same time trying to get the job to run it, and not pretending to cut the expanse of government while actually increasing it. Case in point, the federal government expanded under every president and the single biggest increase in federal jobs occurred under George W. Bush with Homeland Security.

    3. The voters voted for someone who would stop lying to them about Iraq, not break international treatise, end torture of prisoners (which he has done mostly), end intrusion into people’s live by wiretaps and other means as implemented by the “small government” of GW Bush (which he really hasn’t done), improve the diplomatic corps that was decimated by Bush, opened dialogue with our allies without bribing them into helping us … etc., too many things. I hope you get it. He was voted in on a broad agenda of changes that now have been conveniently forgotten about.

    4. The original post is also wrong in stating that he failed “to recognize genuine American concern to deficit spending…” Actually he didn’t. He unlike Bush put the Iraq War back into the budget so people could actually see and congress could be more responsible for its affects on the budget, which Bush liked to hide. He also staunchly would veto any health care reform that would create deficit spending and is the first president in a while to advocate for “pay as you go.” Some here may not know what that means, but it means “don’t add to the deficit.” So that means cut programs or raise taxes. You may agree with his tax plans, but you can not call him unconcerned for deficit spending – two different things.

    5. The article says that Obama failed to recognize how much Americans don’t want “the nationalization of the motor industry.” No one wants the nationalization of the motor industry, Obama has said repeatedly that he doesn’t want to run GM or have the government nationalize any corporation. You may not agree with the tactics but bailing out GM just means having a 60% non-voting investment in it. It is one company, not an industry. It is temporary and GM is already planning to pay it back because they don’t want the government strings that are attached. And why are they attached, because the government (the Fed Reserve and Treasury) by law CAN NOT just give money away without protecting the taxpayer. It is too much to get into hear, but even the financial news pundits who hate government intrusion have come to realize that GM still went out under bankruptcy, but that it did so in a far quicker time frame and it saved all of the thousands of smaller companies and many dealerships (which of course IS the majority of the motor industry) from having to go bankrupt and thus not become nationalized. This was not perfect and I think the unions got a better deal than they deserved and some of it was political (wow, McCain would never have been political!?), but to call that nationalization of the motor industry is so far from reality that it is laughable. Ford is doing just fine and if Chrysler fails or GM has any more problems, it will be gone. The bailout was only deemed necessary because it happened to coincide with the failure of Wall Street and even though I believe in the principle of moral hazard in capitalism, I also feel that once a century the rules of the game need to be bent to prevent needless pain as long as it is temporary – and that is from Thomas Jefferson’s (a great small government guy) views.

    6. The article says, “Then came the town hall meetings where Americans began to voice their displeasure. Again, President Obama and his proxies dismissed them as “astro-turf”. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi derided them as Nazi’s.” This is a particularly biased statement in my opinion. First Obama, again, did not dismiss the town hall protesters … ever!!! Some did of course, because some protesters were way over the top, but there is no cabal of Obama proxies soing anything. There are some pundits and some politicians who think that many of the tea parties and town halls had some outside influences – and they did, but no one said that all or even most of the people there genuinely expressing opinions were that way. As a matter of fact the administration has mostly said that it was only the most vocal that got on TV, but that most town halls went well with plenty of genuine and passionate viewpoints.

    Also I find it interesting that Pelosi (of whom I am not a fan) says the term “Nazi” once in relation to, not protesters, but to the people who yell to the point that no one can speak, she gets blamed for that hyperbole even as hundreds of right-wingers and dozens of conservative talk show hosts actually call Obama a Nazi on a daily basis. Just think use some perspective hear, the Speaker of the House can use it once about one particular instance and every extreme conservative makes a huge deal out, yet when conservatives say the same thing on a daily basis, they are somehow patriotic Americans. I guess some people just don’t get irony.

    There is more that I could write, but this is way too long already. I just think that the premise of the thread is so much ado about nothing. The Obama admin. hasn’t over-reacted or demonized conservatives. It was dealt a bad hand in the way that President Bush 43 was dealt a bad hand with 9/11 and both administrations had political operatives whose job it is to look for ways of dealing with emergencies and even using them as opportunities for change. Bush and Cheney used 9/11 as a reason to invade Iraq and to greatly increase the power of the presidency. It is unclear how Raum E. expects to use the current crises, but Obama has chosen to look at how Reagan era deregulation substantially led to the Wall Street credit problem and the recession is a good time to reform the system. That is actually a responsible position to take. We’ll see if it works. Health care will bankrupt the country if it is left to grow at the existing rate, and in an economic down turn, this may also be the time to reform it as well. Finally, wars and security issues are good drivers for reforming the countries energy policy.

    My point is that you can disagree with Obama’s philosophies and argue his policies and even dislike his personality, but to say he is that much different from most other administrations, both Republican and Democrat, is quite the overstatement. And yes, if he does over-react (which he hasn’t yet) or he takes on too many issues to change (which he probably did), then elections will be his report card. Let’s just keep the hyperbole and biases to the pros, like Beck.

    BTW, his approval rating has fallen from 70% to 50%. A big drop, but 50% is pretty high for any president during a once in a century economic crisis and in the midst of two wars and as a target of plenty of prejudice even as he has maintained by and large his dignity and not simply fallen into the tactics of most other presidents of wrapping himself in the flag and causing people to be scared.

    BTW, the whole point of the cartoon at the top has obviously been missed.

  • You have a lot of time on your hands. Your ignore the bottom line. The lesson plans were changed. The White House itself by its actions admitted they were wrong by doing so. They may very well have changed the speech due to the democratic efforts of Republicans. Can’t deny the truth of this.

  • Would you like a match for your strawman? Maybe a thresher?

    I haven’t seen such a load of hooey since my little sister tried to use “nothing happened” to prove “nothing will ever happen” when she stayed out too late in high school.

  • I do think that the fuss about the school address has been excessive — at the same time, however, I think MacGregor’s extensive comment above falls into the basic pattern (all too easy to fall into) of looking at things through a tribal lens and thinking, “Sure there are some crazies on my side, but there aren’t many and they’re harmless. Now the other guys! They’re bad!”

    Yes, there have certainly been over-the-top reactions to Clinton and Obama, but there were incredibly extreme amounts of hate directed at Reagan and Bush2, and both of them dealt with it in a calm and statesmanlike fashion. Attempts to portray Obama’s critiques as more deranged or dangerous than the sufferers from Bush Derangement Syndrome over the last eight years suggest a certain lack of perspective.

    This is not to say that people are right to behave irresponsibly in response to Obama, but perspective is always necessary.