Cuomo to Pro-lifers: Get Out of New York

Saturday, January 18, AD 2014

Andrew Cuomo

Andrew Cuomo, the “Catholic” shacked up, pro-abort Governor of New York, doesn’t believe that pro-lifers have any place in the state of New York.  Mary Katharine Ham at Hot Air gives us the details:

 

Forty-eight percent of Americans and all priests and nuns are no longer welcome in the Empire State, according to its governor. Delivering a monologue on Republicans with all the hyperbole of an MSNBC anchor and none of the charm, Cuomo offered this:

You have a schism within the Republican Party. … They’re searching to define their soul, that’s what’s going on. Is the Republican party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party? That’s what they’re trying to figure out. It’s a mirror of what’s going on in Washington. The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It’s more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans.

… You’re seeing that play out in New York. … The Republican Party candidates are running against the SAFE Act — it was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the Senate! Their problem is not me and the Democrats; their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are and they’re the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York, because that’s not who New Yorkers are.

    If they’re moderate Republicans like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate — moderate Republicans have a place in their state. George Pataki was governor of this state as a moderate Republican; but not what you’re hearing from them on the far right.”

He at least uses the liberal pejoratives for those who are pro-2nd Amendment and oppose gay marriage. “Right to life” he uses as if it’s offensive on its face. As Life News notes, he leans heavily on the President Barack tactic to simply declare everyone who disagrees with your positions in the slightest “extreme,” even if many of those people are your constituents. But how extreme is the pro-life position, even in a blue state like New York? Unlike, say, gay marriage, the polling on abortion restrictions, particularly second and third trimesters, regularly and overwhelmingly favors the more conservative position.

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53 Responses to Cuomo to Pro-lifers: Get Out of New York

  • “…President of Notre Dame, Father Theodore Hesburgh, a man who had privately condemned pro-lifers as ‘mindless zealots’…”

    “…and all priests and nuns…”

    Well, perhaps most priests and nuns.

  • It’s possible, based on the context of the quote (an inside baseball discussion of New York party politics) that what Cuomo meant was that pro-lifers “have no place” in Republican party politics in his state, because the voters won’t accept them (“that’s not who New Yorkers are”). He may not have literally meant “All persons who hold pro-life convictions are no longer welcome in my state and should move out.” Of course, even the first interpretation is distressing enough, and chances are that Cuomo wouldn’t mind a bit if all those “extremist” pro-lifers left the state anyway. They probably ARE already leaving, given recent population losses.

  • Elaine: What will Andrew say to the devil, when the devil comes to claim his bride? Ignorance? What will Andrew say when God says: “Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground.” I am personally opposed, but I cannot impose your morality”?
    Human sacrifice, the destruction of an individual substance of a rational nature, St. Thomas Aquinas’ definition of the person, is the primary form of devil worship. Hitler did it, Stalin did it, Roe v. Wade is doing it. If Andrew Cuomo can prove that he is not an individual substance of a rational nature, he may be exhonorated.
    The human body who the rational soul is forming may not be destroyed for the sins, crimes and immorality of his parents or anyone else’s crimes, for this is the ultimate in the destruction of Justice and with the destruction of Justice is the destruction of the state, starting with Cuomo.

  • I don’t think if it matters if he actually really meant pack up your vans and SUVs and get out of state. He made it clear that they just would not be in lured in politics or discussions. Shunning.
    I encourage everyone to click on the Hesburgh link provided in the text . It leads you to an awesome pastoral review article. First rate.

  • I don’t know what Cuomo will have to say at the time of his final judgment, thought I personally would rather not be in that position.

    However, I CAN think of something that other governors, particularly NJ Gov. Chris Christie, could say in response: “Anyone who wants to live in, visit or start a business in my state is welcome regardless of their political leanings or their views regarding abortion, gun control, same-sex marriage or any other issue. Those who disagree with our current law regarding these matters are welcome to try to change them through the political process just like anyone else. The ultimate decision is up to the voters.”

  • That odd “lured” word was meant to be “included”. That kind of thing sometimes happens when I text – the iPhone Spell Guesser! 😉

  • Elaine: What Cuomo said was that he was not going to represent his constituency because of their beliefs. Taxation without representation…religious discrimination, abdication of office, imposition of de facto tyranny.

  • Sorry, Anzlyne, you and Elaine are two stalwarts of the truth and common sense and I love you both.
    Hesburg has been bougth and sold into the population control mob irregardless of the humanity of the child, disregarding that the innocence of the newly conceived is the standard of Justice for the state. Hesburg has erased Justice for the state.

  • Godless, iniquitous, idolatrous liberal progressive Democrat. But I repeat myself.

    PS, Andy who is trying to sjutdown the Indian Point nuclear power plants is as anti-nuclear power as his father Mario who shutdown the multibillion dollar Shoreham nuclear power plant on Long Island right after it was built.

    Democrats strangle energy supplies and health care access just as they strangle the necks of unborn babies. It took a Civil War to free the slaves. What do we think Cuomo is aching for now? God have mercy!

  • Thanks Mary! You, I, and the Homiletic Pastoral Review article (that is the link mentioned)- all agree about Father Hesburgh

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  • When 7000 screaming pagans attacked a Cathedral near the Popes home town of Buenos Aries he never made a peep and if he doesn’t excommunicate this pompous so n’ so and a few others of his kind then I have to wonder what his agenda really is. I joined the Church after several years as a Protestant because Pope John Paul II was the only Christian leader showing some spine (plus I believe in the Doctrine of the Church). Christ cleared the Temple of not just the money changers but of those practicing pagan Roman rituals. John the XXIII excomunicated Castro; Beckett and Thomas More stood up to Kings. We don’t need a “buddy to the world” as Pope what we need is maybe a Dagger John.

  • So extreme conservatives do it!
    Take him for his word. Get out. Shake the dust off your loafers as you leave and by All means…Don’t Look Back!

    Mindless zealots like Christopher Bell and his great string of Good Counsel Homes for young mothers in New Jersey and New York. His pro-life mindlessness has saved souls. But if they, the extremist, leave woe to the young mothers that found refuge in the great state of New York.

  • Amen Trubuchet: “screaming pagans attacked a Cathedral near the Popes home town of Buenos Aries he never made a peep – “

  • Cuomo’s statements also reflect the schism within the Catholic Church.
    The deranged, fanatical, extremist pro-life, traditional Catholics, who hate
    gays, oppose the normal, tolerant, open-minded, generous and loving
    Catholics, who support modern moral attitudes and who understand the
    importance of bringing the Church into the modern world.

  • “Cuomo’s statements also reflect the schism within the Catholic Church. The deranged, fanatical, extremist pro-life, traditional Catholics, who hate gays, oppose the normal, tolerant, open-minded, generous and loving Catholics, who support modern moral attitudes and who understand the importance of bringing the Church into the modern world.”

    God’s law does not change. Human sacrifice of innocent souls, un-natural marriage, embrace of heresy, rejection of our God-given free will and unalienable human rights, will not bring anything good into the modern culture. Even the Supreme Court requires the Truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Injecting fallacy, half truths and perjury into the Supreme Court is akin to treason and against the Justice of the Constitution.

  • I’ve never been to that state except to drive through it, but I’ll make a point of buying nothing, except if necessary gas, if Cuomo insists.

  • Franco.
    “the modern world.”

    Christ overcame the world and He doesn’t change. The WORD made flesh so we have union….communion.
    One God.

    Open to truth. Open to fashions of a modern world….never my friend. Never.

    I love my homosexual brothers and prove it by gently inserting the WORD of God into their hearts. It’s what Jesus did. Sin no more and live an abundant life. Let the love you mention be Christian love which is eternal.
    Then the tolerant one who knows each heart can rejoice at the bounty of souls that heard the WORD and acted accordingly. Glory be to God in the Highest and Peace to His people on Earth.

  • Response to Franco:

    “Cuomo’s statements also reflect the schism within the Catholic Church.”

    100% correct. This is a fight between apostates and heretics, and those loyal to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, to 2000 years of Sacred Tradition and to Sacred Scripture.

    “The deranged, fanatical, extremist pro-life, traditional Catholics…”

    The prophet Jeremiah was so deranged, fanatical and extremely pro-life that he wrote in chapter 19, verses 4 through 6, “Because the people have forsaken me, and have profaned this place by burning incense in it to other gods whom neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah have known; and because they have filled this place with the blood of innocents, and have built the high places of Ba′al to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Ba′al, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind; therefore, behold, days are coming, says the Lord, when this place shall no more be called To′pheth, or the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of Slaughter.”

    “… who hate gays…”

    Real Christians do not hate gays. In fact, we all have our sexual problems and failures. We would not be human if we didn’t. But a real Christian will hate the sanctification of sodomy as marriage. He will hate sexual perversion paraded as normal, and he will hate it as much in himself as in anyone else. He will hate turning God’s gift of sexual pleasure into an addiction no different than that of heroin or cocaine.

    “…oppose the normal, tolerant, open-minded, generous and loving Catholics…”

    Being a normal Christian means giving one’s life for the Gospel of Conversion and Righteousness. No one was more intolerant than Jesus when He called the Pharisees a brood of vipers, and when He whipped the money changers out of the Temple. It is one thing to be tolerant and accepting of different people. It is entirely different to be tolerant of principles and beliefs that are inherently immoral and evil, which send people to burn forever in hell. Generosity is exemplified in Jesus, the Apostles and the early Church Fathers who gave their lives for the Faith, so that people would be saved from the eternal fires of damnation.

    “…who support modern moral attitudes and who understand the importance of bringing the Church into the modern world…”

    There is no substantive difference between the infanticide and sodomy of the modern world, and that of ancient Rome where babies were left to die on hilltops and where old men preyed on young boys. The modern world is a reversion to the godless paganism of antiquity, something to which Andy Cuomo, his father Mario and the rest of the liberal progressive Democrats wish the world to return. It is the Church Who opposes this, and stands in their way, which is why they hate the Church. And it is Jesus Christ who will finally defeat this and send it to eternal hell where it belongs. From Revelation 19:11-21:

    Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed which no one knows but himself. He is clad in a robe dipped in[c] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses. From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords.

    Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.” And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who sits upon the horse and against his army. And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with brimstone. And the rest were slain by the sword of him who sits upon the horse, the sword that issues from his mouth; and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

    —–

    Buckle up. God is love and He loves souls so much that He will do whatever is necessary to save the lives of innocent babies and rescue souls from the everlasting inferno of the punishment due sin, even if that means allowing Civil War once again. May He have mercy!

  • “Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant and then it seeks to silence the good.” Archbishop Chaput.

    Whether the Archbishop intended it or not, never was there a better description of the platform of the Democratic Party, or President Obama, or Governor Cuomo.

  • Paul.

    Tolerant.
    It’s so one sided by the libs.

    Jesus is forgiving and has tolerated so much already, I wonder when his Justice will prevail? I pray that I’m ready when the curtain comes down.

  • Correct, Philip: “Jesus is forgiving and has tolerated so much already, I wonder when his Justice will prevail? I pray that I’m ready when the curtain comes down.”

    I have a great many faults. That is why I do not want to condemn a gay person or an addict or anyone else struggling with his sins, for I struggle with my own, and I am darn certain that I know what I deserve – hell. Thank God I am not there.

    But there is a difference in the case of a leader like Cuomo who parades intrinsic evil as a human right, and condemns conservative Christians for who are trying to live a right life and support what is right.

    This idea that I hate gays because I oppose gay marriage, or I condemn women because they for whatever reason had an abortion is completely wrong. I can hate gay marriage and abortion but still love the gay person and the woman who had an abortion. Yet there is a great deal of contempt and disgust in my heart for politicians and religious leaders who advocate gay marriage and abortion as human rights.

    I do not condemn the gay person or the woman who had the abortion. But I despise the politicians and religious leaders who grease the skids to hell. How the heck does that make me intolerant – that I oppose the pagan hedonism of antiquity? There is nothing modern or unique or novel about this. It is all the same old sickening perversion and bloody murder which afflicted ancient Greece and Rome alike. Today’s liberal progressive Democrats are children of the ruthless pagan murderers of AD 100 who sent Christians to be fed to the lions, and Cuomo’s invective proves it.

    God help me that I do not go to hell for my sins. Nor do I want anyone else to go to hell for theirs. That is why Jesus died on the Cross. Yes, I am intolerant. Maybe I should die that way.

    🙁

  • Negative Paul. You should die with the faith of our Holy Martyrs. A faith that reads All Your’s my beloved Father. I struggle with this era of paganism as well, and am humbled by the faith you and other contributors share on this site.

    You are a good and faithful servant and your justifiable angst is fitting to this age.

  • He’s an extreme liberal – of course he’s going to bash the side of the opposition that presents the strongest impediment to the Peoples’ Democratic fascist rule. He loves wishy-washy, spineless, no-principle, “moderate” Republicans because he knows the Democrats always slaughter them.
    .
    He is the epitomal slimy politician, and an anti-Liberty fascist at that. But we see through you, Mr. Cuomo. Unlike the administration of your party’s current Grand High Instigator, you are transparent.

  • Please take 5 minutes to view this moving video; my generation will end abortion.

    I just found it.
    It is worth the it.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2014/01/17/viral-video-marks-41-years-of-abortions-in-5-minutes-my-generation-will-end-abortion/

    Thank you and God bless You for your prayers and sacrifices to end legalized abortions in our Nation and around the world.

  • Opps…sorry.
    Its worth it.

  • Philip,

    I was being a bit sarcastic. Of course, traditional Catholics do not hate gays,
    which would be a grave sin. Nor, do I believe traditional Catholics are
    deranged. Unfortunately, traditional Catholics, who are good Catholics,
    are portrayed as cruel, intolerant, etc.

  • I surely wish someone had told my great great grandmother Catherine that she was not welcome in New York, when she came here from the Rhineland, with her children, in 1858.

    Perhaps the French should take back that statue in the harbor since some of us, the politically incorrect ones, are not welcomed here.

  • hey that’s interesting Karl! I have ancestors that were New Yorkers too – in the 17 and 1800’s. Anyway that reminded me that we could claim identity with New Yorkers who are pro-life, pro marriage etc. and say with a resounding voice “I am a New Yorker!” like JFK ” I am a Berliner” only 20 years after the war… I am a New Yorker and I am Pro Life! Solidarity with them.

    About the extreme label: notice that we Catholic pro-lifers have stayed the same and the whole general scale has moved to the left.

  • “Someone plagiarized.”

    It isn’t plagiarism Jordan when the post directly sources the cited material, which is precisely what I did.

  • Franco.

    Thank you. I understand where your coming from. I apologize for the mis-read. 🙂

  • Philip.

    It’s my fault. Sorry.

  • My apologies to Franco, also. Sarcasm is difficult to convey electronically.

  • Franco: If it is sarcasm please put it in parentheses. I too, thought that you were serious.

  • NY Pro-lifers to Cuomo: (censored via custody of the tongue). Rural areas seethe with pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, anti-redefinition-of-marriage sentiment, and the fact that we’re in no hurry to change really disturbs our urban betters. Funny that. Our votes are a drop in the bucket, why not just laugh at us? Oh right, I forgot. The Tolerant Left will brook no dissent.
    Red states out there, if you wish to keep your freedoms, keep your cities in check.

  • I had intended to write something about Cuomo’s concubinage with Sandra Lee. Being a human being having failed at sexual purity myself, I find it hard to condemn a man for loving a woman while he is divorced. That does not mean that I condone or excuse the less than ideal behavior in someone else or myself. It is objectively wrong. What it means is that I can understand the behavior without condoning or excusing it. I am reminded of that phrase, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” I doubt any of us commenting here are sexually pure. Indeed, even Kings David and Solomon had their legions of concubines. That said, a leader like Cuomo nevertheless has a responsibility to put forth a good example. He should keep his concubinage private if he cannot keep from loving his concubine (I give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he does love her). But what is truly reprehensible about Cuomo isn’t him doing what David and Solomon did before him, but his open adulation of the infanticide of the unborn, and the sanctification of same sex relations as marriage. He claims to be Catholic and he deliberately opposes Church teaching in the most public ways. Then he flaunts his concubinage in the public’s face. I truly don’t care what he does in private, or what two gay people do in private. But please keep it private. I personally reserve disclosure of my sins for the Confessional without which I would surely go to hell.

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  • I’m still waiting for Cardinal Dolan to “talk turkey” with Cuomo.

    I thought Mario Cuomo was overbearing. This Cuomo is obnoxious. New York City elected the obnoxious DeBlasio and New york State (largely NYC and its suburbs) elected Cuomo the Younger.

    I wouldn’t live in New York if my life depended on it. In Pennsylvania, we have the Democrats trying to use Philadelphia City and its suburbs to turn Pennsylvania into another New York State. Democrats are organized crime.

  • Update: The governor’s office has issued a clarification statement:

    “the Governor was making the observation that an extreme right candidate cannot win statewide because this is a politically moderate state (either moderate Republican or moderate Democratic).

  • Here’s the link to the full statement:

    http://www.governor.ny.gov/01192014statement

    My post above got cut off so here is the complete quote I meant to use:

    “The New York Post distorted Governor Cuomo’s words yesterday, saying that the Governor said “conservatives should leave New York.” The Governor did not say that, nor does he believe that.

    “If you read the transcript (below), it is clear that the Governor was making the observation that an extreme right candidate cannot win statewide because this is a politically moderate state (either moderate Republican or moderate Democratic).

    “In the same response, the Governor went on to say “it is fine” to be anti-gun control, and anti-choice” – as he respects both positions.”

    Note, however, the intentional use of the loaded terms “anti-choice” to describe pro-lifers and “anti-gun control” to describe those favoring the personal right to bear arms.

    I also note that the exact same argument about “extreme right” pro-life, etc. candidates being unelectable to statewide office is often made regarding Illinois politics; I would presume it’s also applicable to California and other “blue” states dominated by one or more major metropolitan areas that always outvote the rural/small/medium size cities.

  • Guilty on all counts.

    This is (just about) the one-year anniversary when Cuomo and his band of brigands (legislature) made me (for my so-called assault weapons) a New York State felon.

    I plan to emigrate to America as soon as practicable.

  • The so-called governor is inciting civil unrest with his remarks. Paul Primavera used the phrase, Civil War, in a few posts this week and I found that difficult to digest. After listening to Cuomo’s “who are they?”.. I’m beginning to think that a Civil War could come. Could!
    More public servants like Cujo and who knows?

  • Thank you Elaine.
    I did just read your helpful link.
    Distorted by NY Post.
    True.

    I had the Catholic station on last night driving home and they we’re playing a short clip of this remark. They were not playing the full speach..distorted reporting as well. 🙁

  • If liberal elites (the ‘new ‘ aristocracy) have “context”, it’s 24/7/365 abortion, class envy/war, dependency (free lunch), gay marriage, gender, and race baiting. To them, any disagreement is pure evil.

    Sinverguenza Cuomo isn’t going to run out of “other people’s money.” First, he’s going to run out of the other people.

  • Anti-Right to Life, anti 2nd Amendment, anti natural marriage.

  • Suz, you make an essential point with “Red states out there, if you wish to keep your freedoms, keep your cities in check.” A glance at the red and blue areas on election maps reveals how much our politics is divided on a rural versus urban basis. New York City is the tail that wags the New York State dog. Cuomo is the bark.

  • The democrat deck (playing card analogy) has seven cards: abortion, class war, gender victimology, race baiting and sexual orientation.

    And, never forget, Bull Connor was a member of the Democrat National Committee, and the IRS did to MLK, Jr. what it is doing to hated right-wingers, today.

  • The last time I heard, Gov. Cuomo wasn’t appointed to be the Empire State’s “dictator for life,” and the people there enjoy the right to toss him out of office the next time he runs, or make his term unbearable by voting in a veto proof legislature, to name a few “checks” for starters. Let’s say for the sake of argument, what if he kept on running for reelection for the next twenty or so years and his party kept on making sure the likelihood of any veto-proof legislature was high as Iceland putting a man on the moon? One might want to pick up stakes and leave then, but guess what, Cuomo’s not going to prevent you from moving out of state, nor is he going to slap any state emigration tax for moving elsewhere, etc. You’re just as free then to go as you are now not to vote for him, or better yet, get more people just as ticked as you are … and keep their motivation spirits up for the duration of any drive and campaign to replace him with at least a more pro-life candidate. If pro-abortion supporters can keep their spirits up long enough to bedevil the our side, it’s useless to whine and commisserate over the usual fates of many one-issue pro-life candidates.
    Many voters would probably love to have more children, but how are they going to support them if the so-called “pro-life” candidates keep on with their one-issue fare while doing little or nothing to offer voters more reasons to see how more widely and credibly pro-life their agenda is. These topics can range from the most elemental, but crucial to each individual voter; from the quality of local schools, (including the bricks n’ mortar part), public transportation, law enforcement/fire control, snow removal, to parks and recreation. And of course, if your local hospital is publicly owned, the overall quality of care and life offered for all patients of all ages and backgrounds. How does your community take care of its elderly, poor … you name it, there’s a lot more to saying one is “prolife” than simply keeping tabs on who votes which way on pro-life related legislation or what Cuomo, or any other governor’s position is. They can only govern by the consent of the governed, and even the bosses in the back room know this, and or need reminding now n’ then. That’s the citizens’ job to do: not whine over some lines out of Albany, Boston, Trenton or Augusta.

  • RINGMASTER: Right this way, Doctor.

    DOCTOR: Thank you very much, but where’s Ace? I don’t think she

    RINGMASTER: Oh, she’ll be coming.

    CAPTAIN [OC]: Iniphitus, where the Galvanic Catastrophods are not what they were.

    (The Doctor looks through to where the Captain is drinking tea and talking at a bored Nord while Mags is staring at nothing.)

    CAPTAIN: No, but they’re still worth a look if you’re doing a tour of the southern nebula and have an eon or two to spare. You. Well, well.

    DOCTOR: Captain Cook, I presume. So you had arrived after all.

    CAPTAIN: But of course. Come and join us, Doctor. It’s one big happy family here, eh, Nord?

    NORD: Except when you’re gassing on.

  • Steven, speaking of harping on the same issue, your insistence on turning every thread into a discussion of something not on topic is quite a bore. Bye bye.

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Ashamed of the Cross

Friday, December 14, AD 2012

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness:

1 Corinthians 1: 23

Hattip to Matthew Archbold at Creative Minority Report.  Well, for 40 grand a year Catholic parents can send their offspring to a “Catholic” college that is apparently ashamed of the cross.

 

The symbol of Saint Joseph’s College, the only Catholic college in Maine, has long been a seal with a cross on a shield with the motto “Fortitudo et Spes” meaning “Fortitude and Hope.” But the president of the college just announced in a letter to students forwarded to The Cardinal Newman Society that after an extensive marketing study, the college founded by The Sisters of Mercy will be removing the cross and motto from the logo.

“This is about much more than a logo or a look,” said Brent Wooten, director of online marketing for Saint Joseph’s in the college’s magazine. “It’s about who we are.”

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  • Evangelium Secundum Matthaeum, Caput X, Vesus XXXII per XXXIX

    32 Omnis ergo qui confitebitur me coram hominibus, confitebor et ego eum coram Patre meo, qui est in caelis; 33 qui autem negaverit me coram hominibus, negabo et ego eum coram Patre meo, qui est in caelis.34 Nolite arbitrari quia venerim mittere pacem in terram; non veni pacem mittere sed gladium. 35 Veni enim separare hominem adversus patrem suum et filiam adversus matrem suam
    et nurum adversus socrum suam: 36 et inimici hominis domestici eius. 37 Qui amat patrem aut matrem plus quam me, non est me dignus; et, qui amat filium aut filiam super me, non est me dignus; 38 et, qui non accipit crucem suam et sequitur me, non est me dignus. 39 Qui invenerit animam suam, perdet illam; et, qui perdiderit animam suam propter me, inveniet eam.

    Matthew 10:32-39

    32* So every one who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven; 33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. 34* “Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man’s foes will be those of his own household. 37* He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.

  • I am at a loss. I cannot understand that a college founded by Sisters of Mercy can reject a sign of there Catholic Identity. The world has gotten to them. They have succumd to temptations of the world.

  • I wonder what the history of the arms is. Perhaps, they are the founder’s, as it is unusual to find a chief in corporate arms; a chief is usually an augmentation of honour. The lilies, placed as a crest are obviously for St Joseph.

    Curiously, the Cardinal Newman Society blog refers to the new device as five gold bars, whereas the old one has five pallets. In any event, as a bar occupies a fifth of the shield, they would have to be barrulets. Perhaps, the writer is simply unfamiliar with blazoning.

    The illustration on the blog is so small, that I cannot tell whether the cross in question is a cross potent or pattée, which might give some clue as to its origin.

  • The authorities of this College are just ‘busy bodies’. The explanation given to the effect that the new change expressed more of what the College is, was a very untenable, fluid and watery argument. The question is: has there been any problem being expressed with regard to the presence of the Cross on the logo? And if yes, how has that affected the academic and moral performance of the students? One thing is clear here: someone, somewhere within the top echelon of the school has been wanting to vent his/her agnostic/atheistic disposition and therefore went ahead to dismantle the cross from the logo to satisfy his/her devilish whims. If really the school is a Catholic school and still aims at remaining a Catholic school, then the cross on the logo must be retained. In that light, nobody or group must remove the cross from that logo. Anybody not comfortable with the cross should look elsewhere for his/her ward/child or look elsewhere to seek employment. It is a free society and St Joseph’s College must retain ALL appurtenances of its Catholic identity, as established by its founders: the cross as it appears on the logo.

  • Maine is in the bottom five US states in the fiscal “death-spiral.”

    That doesn’t mean Maine’s only Catholic college needs to join in the crash-dive.

  • Looks like Maine has no Catholic colleges any more.

    There is Catholic-“C” and catholic- “c”. They’ve opted for universality over Catholic identity, an all too often affliction of those that used to be Catholic. Unfortunately, many of the used-to-be-Catholic colleges are Catholic In Name Only.

    As a intellectual property attorney, I think it is unfortunate that the Church wasn’t more aggressive in protecting the term Catholic (capital C) because then it would be more able to require adherence to its beliefs as a condition to using the term “Catholic.” As the Cardinal Newman Society has noted, parents sending their $40,000 a year are often duped into believing that the college will adhere to their Catholic beliefs. Having taken many theology classes over the years, my experience has been that the wolves are often among the sheep, perhaps by design. This is the worst form of deception because the price is the eternal soul, not a misrepresented product.

  • The same smarmy bureaucratic microbes seem to be in charge of just about every institution of higher education you come across. They must be bred somewhere in a cesspool fed by water from Boston harbour.

  • ……….and the great apostacy grows apace.

  • Maybe they’re also ashamed of their Catholic identity.

  • Would it be asking to much to have them remove the Blessed Sacrament from their property since Fortitude and Hope is being replaced with Ego and Pride. Something for the president to ponder over during these days of Advent.

    Question. When the founders, The Sisters of Mercy, prayerfully considered a logo that would honor the Creators university did they perform marketing analysis, concern themselves with pleasing non-Catholic sentiments or concern themselves with conforming to the world? Be in the world..yes but not of it.
    Another catholic (small c ) university loosing its sight.

    St. Joseph. Patron Saint of the Catholic Church pray for us!