Obama’s Commissars

Saturday, October 26, AD 2013

Obama Commissar

 

 

In the old Soviet Union the regular officers and troops of the Red Army tended to despise the political officers, commissars, who enforced political orthodoxy, interfered with military operations, and who would inform on them in a heartbeat if they got a step out of line politically.  Remember the good old days when Americans would have laughed at the idea that such a symbol of a totalitarian state could ever infest their military?

 

 

Don’t donate to the tea party or to evangelical Christian groups —  that was  the message soldiers at a pre-deployment briefing at Fort  Hood  said they received from a counter-intelligence agent who headed up the  meeting.

If you do, you could face punishment — that was the other half of the  message, as reported by Fox News.

The briefing was Oct. 17, and about a half-hour of it was devoted to   discussion about how perceived radical groups — like tea party  organizations  and the Christian-based American  Family Association — were  “tearing the country apart,” one unnamed soldier  said, to Fox News.

Among the remarks the agent allegedly made: Military members who  donate to  these groups would be subject to discipline under the Uniform  Code of Military  Justice, the soldier reported.

Liberty Institute has stepped in to investigate. Michael  Berry, one  of the nonprofit’s attorneys, said he has been advising the  soldier  about his options — but that in the meanwhile, he said the American   public should be on guard.

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  • Treason, especially in times of war as in Iraq and Afghanistan; the Tea Party and Evangelical Christian groups are being accused of treason for being inclusive and employing diversity, but mostly for opposing the imposition of totalitarianism.

    Amendment 9 – Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791.
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

  • Ironic isn’t it Jonathan, and a classic case of projection, that the civil rights violations that leftists claimed a right wing government in this country would engage in, are actually being implemented by the most left-wing administration in our nation’s history.

  • Did I forget to mention FREEDOM? You see how this administation is undercutting the citizens’ freedom by dividing the enlisted man’s patriotism into Obamaism. Anything or thought against Obama becomes treason against the state= Obama IS the state. Not so. America is the state constituted by each and every sovereign person. The military’s patriotism is for America. The military man retains his citizenship even while he submits to orders for defense of the country. This demoralizing decree endangers all persons’ freedom by imposing tyranny and an abuse of command.

  • In France, the army was called « la grande muette » because the Third and fourth Republics were determined to keep them out of politics, even denying them the vote.

    Well, speak they did in 1958. Paras of the Légion étrangère from Algeria landed in Corsica and the garrison of Rambouillet parked their tanks in the Luxembourg Gardens. A man walked out of the Bourse and blew his brains out, only for his body to be trampled underfoot by the crowd of frenzied brokers trying to get into the building. General de Gaulle came to Paris and told the cabinet that France had no further use for their services. (Exciting times for a 13 year old schoolboy visiting relatives in Paris)

  • “tearing the country apart.”

    Sounds like that unnamed soldier has had his dose of (clockwork orange.)

    These news items should help sceptics wipe the sand out of their eyes and wake up to the reality. The only one tearing the country apart is a virus pretending to be president. Small “p” intentional.

    This is another wake up call.

  • The wretched business is that the opposition will hold inconclusive congressional hearings, the administration will stonewall, and the public will not react (and, of course, partisan Democrats fancy this sort of behavior is perfectly legitimate, as is using the tax collectors to harass the opposition).

  • Fr Kepaun was a Catholic priest in the Korean War who was recently posthumously given a Medal of Honor. I watched the ceremony on TV and noticed that the Chaplain summed his prayer with “in your holy Name” instead of the usual reference to praying in the Name of Jesus or to Jesus Christ Our Lord. No mention of Jesus even where it is customary in Catholic prayers.

  • This morning, as I began to drive across a bridge, I saw black spray painted ‘graffiti’ on a concrete border where there haven’t been any such creations previously. With surprisingly neat, almost two foot block letters “destroy the tea party” was written, revealing the extent of influence that exists. I wonder whether this is a reaction to yesterday’s 5:00 local news blurb about the November 1st reduction of amounts to the usda plastic cards.

    Sadly and ironically, the same people controlling money flow to ‘loyal’ voters are not ever going reveal to them political motives or the bailing and waste flow to the other end of the social order.

  • Withholding death benefits for KIAs, closing open air war memorials, subjecting active duty to ridicule via changes to uniforms and PFT requirments, branding veterans/The Tea Party/Christian organizations as terrorists, banning the Mass and the sacraments on base, trying the enemy in civilian vice military courts, using tax money for abortions, lowering the purchasing age for the morning after pill, targeting of groups by the IRS, etc….is alarming. These are overt what about covert actions? Sure I understand that some of the above only lasted a few days or are proposals (for now), but it’s the continuous onslaught of this stuff that’s a harbinger for even worse things to come. Erosion and destruction of our democracy, law, American morals/values and institutions that have long been respected and protect and stabilize our country’s society are the objectives of this administration.
    What I don’t get is why the attack on the military seems to be increasing the closer we get to election day? Maybe they are not worried because it’s a given that absentee ballots will be “lost” in the mail or worse yet, our troops in theater and elsewhere overseas won’t vote for fear of reprisals because the Australian ballots won’t be secret.
    I’m keeping my voter registration in a city a 100 miles away so that I can vote the pro abortion, liberal politicians out of office and elect decent ones in. Also I’ve checked with the board of elections in my deceased parents’ county and have received in writing that there names have been taken off the roles.

  • Forbidding or discouraging active duty service personnel from joining political activist groups, or participating in political demonstrations, is not a new policy. My husband, a Navy veteran of the first Gulf War, remembers being warned against participation in ANY kind of public political rally, march or sign-carrying demonstration under threat of disciplinary action. This was under the Reagan and Bush Sr. administration).

    I’m not entirely sure whether extending the prohibition to monetary donations, however, is really a new policy or simply a new interpretation/application of existing policy. If it is selectively enforced — i.e. donations to Tea Party groups are punished while donations to liberal groups are not — or if it is applied to donations by spouses or relatives of an active duty service member (thereby restricting THEIR right of free speech), or if intrusive measures are taken to uncover prohibited donations, we definitely have a problem.

  • Please excuse the puncuation and other typos.

  • Elaine, you did read the account? Unless this is misreported, it was sectarian and applied to political and religious groups.

    By the way, admirers of Ron Paul rummaged through the FEC database and contended that he was the choice of those listing a military occupation in 2007 and 2008. Do not recall stories of intelligence officers lecturing troops about that.

  • The rules regarding allowable political activity in the military:

    “4.1. General

    4.1.1. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may:

    4.1.1.1. Register, vote, and express a personal opinion on political candidates and issues, but not as a representative of the Armed Forces.

    4.1.1.2. Promote and encourage others to exercise their voting franchise, if such promotion does not constitute use of their official authority or influence to interfere with the outcome of any election.

    4.1.1.3. Join a partisan or nonpartisan political club and attend its meetings when not in uniform, subject to the restrictions of subparagraph 4.1.2.4. (See DoD Instruction 1334.1 (Reference (c).)

    4.1.1.4. Serve as an election official, if such service is not as a representative of a partisan political party, does not interfere with the performance of military duties, is performed when not in uniform, and the Secretary concerned has given prior approval. The Secretary concerned may NOT delegate the authority to grant or deny such permission.

    4.1.1.5. Sign a petition for a specific legislative action or a petition to place a candidate’s name on an official election ballot, if the signing does not obligate the member to engage in partisan political activity and is done as a private citizen and not as a representative of the Armed Forces.

    4.1.1.6. Write a letter to the editor of a newspaper expressing the member’s personal views on public issues or political candidates, if such action is not part of an organized letter-writing campaign or a solicitation of votes for or against a political party or partisan political cause or candidate. If the letter identifies the member as on active duty (or if the member is otherwise reasonably identifiable as a member of the Armed Forces), the letter should clearly state that the views expressed are those of the individual only and not those of the Department of Defense (or Department of Homeland Security for members of the Coast Guard).

    4.1.1.7. Make monetary contributions to a political organization, party, or committee favoring a particular candidate or slate of candidates, subject to the limitations under section 441a of title 2, United States Code (U.S.C.) (Reference (d)); section 607 of title 18, U.S.C. (Reference (e)); and other applicable law.

    4.1.1.8. Display a political bumper sticker on the member’s private vehicle.

    4.1.1.9. Attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn.

    4.1.1.10. Participate fully in the Federal Voting Assistance Program.”

    http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/defense_ethics/ethics_regulation/1344-10.html

    All of this is beside the point since the commissar, I mean the counter-intelligence (and how) agent, was specifically viewing the tea party and evangelical Christian groups as a threat to the country. The agent’s claim that military members would be punished if they contributed to evangelical groups clearly was a first amendment violation.

  • It would seem that certain elements of the political establishment intend to declare Christians as subversives, excepting, of course, those Christians who adhere to the ethos of the establishment.

    Christians had better wise up, and speak up, or these elites will eventually get their way.

  • “The agent’s claim that military members would be punished if they contributed to evangelical groups clearly was a first amendment violation.”

    I seem to remember that the U.S. Supreme Court declared money contributions to a political party or candidate as free speech. The military, out of uniform on their own time, are free citizens. The government does not own the GIs.

  • While everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, five years of accumulated evidence is too much to ignore. Unfortunately, the establishment media has ignored most of it so we send these stories around like little candles to illuminate the darkness in the small corners of our acquaintance. Fears of a second Obama term are unalleviated. Saint Paul says, “Be angry but do not sin”. We understand that to mean there is a righteous anger and a reasonable and just response to things inimical to a just and free society. Not to be angry over injustice is a sin of omission.

  • Good God fearing men forced to see their tax dollars used for P.P. Used for the killing, no the Murder of an innocent fetus. God help us All. This is righteous anger and our prayers to God while we few kneel in front of planned promiscuous…rather planned parenthood, will be heard. God will not be mocked forever.
    Ash cloth would be a good purchase for the govt.! Much more useful than billions of rounds of ammo.

  • Are the billions of rounds of ammo horded against the day when sufficient numbers of the God-Fearing find the criteria of an Augustinian Just War of Rebellion met?

  • 56 million fetus question Mr. Walsh.

    The hoarding of ammo might be a moot point. A cosmic burp from the sun? Fire from Heaven?

    A loving God He is, and as the drowning souls cried out to be forgiven…the same souls who hour before we’re laughing at Noah

  • ….now found themselves begging for Gods mercy.

    ( accidentally hit send key a moment ago.)

    Thank God God is the Judge.
    We will suffer.
    He will separate the goats and we trust in Him. Ammo will not stop God.

A Merry Christmas To Those Who Guard Us While We Sleep

Friday, December 25, AD 2009

Hattip to Big Hollywood.  A film clip from Battleground (1949), a rousing tribute to the heroic stand of the 101st Airborne at Bastogne at Christmas 1944, which helped turn the tide of the Battle of the Bulge.  We should always be mindful of the men and women in our military who are far from their families today, celebrating Christmas often in dangerous situations.  May God bless them and keep them, and may we always remember the sacrifices they make for us.

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Thank You to Our Men and Women in Service

Thursday, November 26, AD 2009

On this Thanksgiving I’d like to convey my heartfelt thanks to my brother Nathan (currently overseas – prayers requested) and all those in service. I am forever conscious of the sacrifices they make on behalf of our country, including much time spent away from their loved ones.

God bless, God speed — and may you all enjoy such a welcome home.

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Massacre at Fort Hood

Thursday, November 5, AD 2009

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13 have been killed and 38 wounded at the Fort Hood army post in Texas.  The alleged shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, is dead, and two alleged suspects have been taken into custody.  This is a major story and details are sparse.  May the souls of the dead victims rest in peace.  More details as they become available.

Update 1: Dead gunman thought to have been a mental health professional,  a psychiatrist. I have heard on Fox that he was assigned in the past to Walter Reed.

Update 2: Gunman was thought to have been a drug and rehab specialist who obtained his license to practice psychiatry in 2005.  According to the Army Times he was promoted to Major on April 22, 2009.

Update 3: More details here about the gunman.

Update 4: Gunman worked at the Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood.

Update 5: Gunman had received a poor performance evaluation at Walter Reed.  He was upset about a forthcoming deployment to Iraq.

Update 6: Colonel Terry Lee who had worked in the past with Hasan says that the gunman had made statements that Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor.  He is being interviewed on Fox.  The Colonel also said that Hasan thought that after Obama was elected the war in Iraq would come to a swift end and he became frustrated that this did not occur.

Update 7: The two suspects taken into custody have been released.  I am hearing that they may have been attempting to subdue the gunman and were taken in for questioning about the incident.  Good!  That makes it much more likely that this is the work of just one deranged individual rather than a conspiracy.

Update 8: Now the local Congressman in whose district Fort Hood is located is stating that he has heard that another suspect has been brought in for questioning.

Update 9: The gunman’s name according to some reports is Nidal Malik Hasan and not Malik Nadal Hasan as initially reported.

Update 10: Here is info on the gunman on the Virginia Board of Medicine Practitioner Information page.

Update 11: According to a cousin of the gunman interviewed on Fox, Hasan was born and reared in this country.  He has always been a Muslim and is not a recent convert as was initially reported.  He joined the military against the wishes of his parents.  He complained about harassment to relatives that he alleged that he received from fellow soldiers in the Army because of his pro-Muslim views.

Update 12: Lieutenant General Bob Cone, the commanding general in charge of Fort Hood, at a press conference announces that Nidal Malik Hasan was wounded and is in custody, and was not killed as was initially reported.  He is also stating that Hasan was the sole shooter, and that no one else appears to have been involved.  He says that the slain and wounded soldiers were in an enclosed area awaiting medical and dental treatment.  A female civilian police officer shot and wounded Hasan.  She was wounded by Hasan and is in stable condition.  (Soon to be celebrated by the nation as a heroine I think.)

Update 13:  NPR has this report:  

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

Update 14:  Hasan is the son of Palestinian immigrants, both deceased. 

Update 15:  Reports that Hasan had come to the attention of federal law enforcement authorities six months ago because of internet postings advocating suicide bombings.  This seems to be the post in question:

“There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.”

Take this report with a boulder of salt until it is better confirmed.  However, if the authorities did believe that Hasan was posting on internet sites advocating suicide bombings six months ago, why didn’t the Army take steps to keep him away from troops, especially troops heading for Iraq or Afghanistan?

Update 16:  The brave female police officer who took Hasan down is Police Sergeant Kimberly Munley.  She pumped four bullets into the gunman in spite of being shot by him. 

Update 17:  Hasan shouted Allahu Akbar ( God is Great) before beginning his rampage.

Update 18:  Information about some of the victims here.  May they now be enjoying the Beatific Vision.

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  • I am sure Major Hassan being a psychiatrist would have known how to scam the security clearance evaluation. There is no known cure for what the Robert and Hugh at Jihad Watch calls the Sudden Jihad Syndrome. It follows that the rational course is to keep Muslims out.

  • Jesus, have mercy on the Major, his accompliances, and his victims.

  • Naturally, America and Christianity will be blamed, rather than Islamic theology and history. Bottom line, all Muslims are either openly violent or quietly wating for a reason to kill. Get them all out of our country. There is no ‘moderate’ Islam. Get them out.

  • Our son is stationed at Ft. Hood. Thank God that he is okay.

  • I disagree Mr. Toler. There are good and bad men and women among Muslims as there are good and bad men and women among Catholics. This incident seems to involve only one individual and it is unjust to condemn all Muslims in this nation as a result of it.

  • I can only imagine your relief Karen. My brother was stationed at Fort Hood while he was in the Army and I would have been out of my mind with concern today if he was still there.

  • I agree there Don. To expel or ban people from this country purely on the basis of their religion or personal beliefs, and NOT on the basis of actual terrorist actions or affiliations, would set an enormously dangerous precedent.

    Next thing you know, liberal Democrats would decide that all pro-lifers or all Catholics should be expelled from the country on the grounds that they are all “openly violent or quietly waiting for a reason to kill” abortion providers!

    It seems to me that this kind of violence usually comes from nowhere and there is no foolproof or infallible way to prevent it. The “warning signs” are almost always visible only in hindsight. Perhaps this man was mentally ill?

    God bless and protect our brave men and women in uniform wherever they may be 🙂

  • HA!

    A WOMAN took down the Muslim gunman!

    That’ll certainly tick off Muslims the world over.

    Prayers on the way.

  • This is a tragic and unconcsionable occurance.
    My heart and prayers go out to those killed, those wounded and those whose lives will never be the same because of this senseless and traitorous attack.

    May God have mercy on the dead, and grant His grace to the others affected.
    And my prayers for the perpetrator’s change of heart.

  • Based only upon that excerpt, I would find it difficult for anyone to have anticipated something like this. As a psychiatrist, it could have been taken as simply his analysis as to how suicide bombers see themselves, and frankly, the analysis he expresses is probably quite accurate. It could be taken as support/encouragement of suicide bombings, but it could also be taken as someone trying to explain the mindset of the other side (like investigators trying to get “into the mind” of a perpetrator) and making a theological point.

    I wonder how many of our debates on various theological issues would sound to outsiders.

  • It’s amazing that President Obama is telling everyone “not to jump to conclusions”, yet he calls out the National Guard when George Tiller the Killer was shot inside his church.

    Typical.

    Seems like the “main”stream media is coalescing around the fact that he had mental disorders as to the cause of the shooting. Absolutely nothing to the plain fact that he carried Muslim sympathies and is a practicing Muslim.

    Now all we need to do is ignore all the jihadist postings that Nidal did on the extremist Muslim websites.

  • A slight disagreement with Elaine: no one has a right to come to this country. Nor, indeed, to go to any country in the world. Moreover, there is a recent history of immigration policy banning people on the basis of beliefs held–e.g., communist and fascist belief were (are?) grounds to deny entry into America.

    I am *not* saying we should deny Muslims entry because they are Muslims. Indeed, there are many forms of the religion which are admirable, and likewise their adherents.

    But we can certainly can–and should–deny entry for those Muslims who insist on forms of sharia which threaten the constitutional order. We did no less for would-be communist subversives.

  • Why the emphasis upon his being a Mohamedian when his main source of distress seems to be the fact that he was to be deployed to Afghanistan or the Middle East. Army suicides have increased dramatically as a result of the unending and unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This man in his attempt at suicide just happened to take others with him.

    Why did the Army keep and promote this man despite his instability and let him treat soldiers with mental disorders? As sick as it sounds this reminds me of Arlo Guthrie’s medical/psychological exam for the draft during the Viet Nam War as relayed in his classic “Alice’s Restaurant”:

    “They got a building down New York City, it’s called Whitehall Street, where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected, neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
    and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all kinds o’ mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave me a piece of paper, said, ‘Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604.’

    And I went up there, I said, ‘Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.’; And I started jumpin up and down yelling, ‘KILL, KILL,’; and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, ‘KILL, KILL.’; And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, ‘You’re our boy.’”

  • Awakaman,

    I had to Google Arlo Guthrie.

    I wouldn’t take any “philosophical” rants from him seriously.

    I don’t know who he is, but if you would have sourced the Holy Bible, a prominent theologian, Vatican documents, etc, I would take your posting more seriously.

  • Arlo is a Republican now Awakaman. (Yeah, I know, I couldn’t believe it when I heard it either!)

    His religion was clearly this guy’s motivating factor in regard to his view of being deployed to the Middle East. We are at war, and he supports the other side due to his religion.

    In regard to the Army, the Army paid for his education and he signed up of his own free will. He could have attempted to resign his commission and pay back the cost of his education.

    Of course all this is beside the point. I suspect the true trigger was that Major Hasan is also Major Wackdoodle, and he wouldn’t be the first shrink who is crazier than any of his patients. I am sure his counsel will attempt to use the insanity defense in his case and the facts will determine if they succeed.

  • “This man in his attempt at suicide just happened to take others with him.” Huh? Sure, just a coincidence or something.

  • Breaking News at noon CST:

    8 shot, 2 dead (early reporting) at an office building in Orlando, FL.

    Shooter is Jason Rodriguez and is still at large.

    Reports are sketchy so the numbers of who is shot and dead could go up or down once the hysteria settles.

    No motive yet.

    Office building is still in the process of being shut down.

    Office building is off of I-4, that’s all I hear and know.

    My personal assessment it could be work related.

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/generalities/mass_shooting_in_orlando_142465.asp

    Straight from Orlando Fire & Police Dept.’s: So far confirmed no deaths, 6 shot.

  • Mike,

    The mainstream media is already trying to spin this away from a “jihad” type of act.

  • I’m curious about the shooter’s reason for joining the Army in the first place. What were his motivations, and what did he hope to accomplish in the Army?

  • Nautica,

    Not sure.

    Getting a fine education in medicine may have played a role in it.

    If I were wiser in my younger years, I would have have joined the Officer Candidate Program or even as a recruit after high school to take advantage of free education and training.

  • Ah, yes, I forgot about that.

  • A person who jumps off a building to commit suicide and lands on passersby below, just happens to take them with him; a guy who commits suicide by driving into a wall and hits people behind it, just happens to take them with him.

    A guy who opens fire on others and dies when he gets taken down by someone else (never turning the gun on himself) – he is not committing suicide and just happening to take a few with him – he intends to murder.

  • Tito:

    I guess I’m just showing my age and you yours in that you don’t know who Arlo Guthrie is. He had a daddy who’s name was Woody (google him). Arlo was a headliner at Woodstock (the first one in ’69)abd had many great classics in the 60’s and 70’s including “City of New Orleans” and “Coming into Los Angeles”, but his most famous song was his 20 minute long humourous anti-war song “Alice’s Restaurant”.

    Don:

    1) So Arlo’s a Republican. . . like party labels mean a whole hell of a lot any more when the Republican party can encompass Anarcho-libertarians such as Ron Paul, quasi-Democrats such as Scozzafava, and Trotskyite neocons, such as Kristol and Podhoretz.

    2) Don, the NYT reports that the Major has been fighting deployment and trying to get out of his military committment for the past 2 years.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06suspect.html?_r=1&hp
    Given the draconian military retention policies currently in effect do you seriously believe he would have any success – especially a doctor. When I was an Army JAG 20 years ago (at a time of relative peace) persons in the medical MOS’s had absolutely no chance of getting out short of fragging their commander. Today they have ablutely no chance no matter how psychologically sick they are.

    Fianlly, Tito, I see no one else on this thread citing the great philosophers, papal encylicals or biblical quotes. All I see are people venting their anger and fear regarding Mohammedan boogie men. Let’s kill them all and let God sort them out and let’s hand Lord Bush Obama all of our liberties and freedoms to fight the terrorist who hate us due to our freedom I guess I’m held to a higher standard.

    I think Mr. Guthrie’s view of the military in relationship to mental instability is similar to that presented by Joseph Heller in Catch 22- the mentally unstable who unbothered by or attracted to the horror and destruction of war are allowed to serve in the military undisturbed and these want to avoid them can not get out of the military because their aversion to such horror and destruction show them to be sane. I think that this view of the destructive nature of a warrior’s life to one’s soul is much more in alignment with Catholic teachings then alot of other pro-war on “terror” rants that I read on this blog and others.

  • “I had to Google Arlo Guthrie.”
    Tito, Tito…you’re making me feel like a fossil.
    Interesting to hear Arlo’s come around though. I wonder when that liberal got mugged?

    I live in a military town, and I’m pretty sure this behavior isn’t typical of your average Muslim soldier. FWIW I’m also dubious of the allegations going around that religious harassment caused him to snap.

  • The mainstream media is going to stick to that angle to make “islamophobia” the real issue and not the deaths.

  • “All I see are people venting their anger and fear regarding Mohammedan boogie men. Let’s kill them all and let God sort them out and let’s hand Lord Bush Obama all of our liberties and freedoms to fight the terrorist who hate us due to our freedom.”

    No one here said like this, but hey–strawmen are fine fencing partners. In addition to being a hellish thing to say, a “kill ’em” mindset is as mindless as the “Islam has nothing to do with terrorism” mantra that gets trotted out whenever a self-identified Muslim commits an act like this.

    I’m sure there’s someplace in between the reflexive knee-jerking that might shed light. How about you?

  • “All I see are people venting their anger and fear regarding Mohammedan boogie men.”

    Was this murderer such a boogie man?

    How about those who were responsible for 9/11?

    The only “boogie men” I see here are those miraculously manifested by the ‘PC’ types who would dare manufacture such a bleached fiction that there is no such Mohammedan.

  • “Mike,

    The mainstream media is already trying to spin this away from a “jihad” type of act.”

    Of course, Tito, very predictable; but in all fairness it could be true. I’m a moderate. I say, it is even sillier to rule out jihad as it is to assume it. One thing for sure though — the idea that this was just a garden variety suicide that just happened to take a whole bunch of others with him is nuts. That *might* explain crashing an airplane or even a car, but shooting people? Give me a break, awakaman.

  • “Given the draconian military retention policies currently in effect do you seriously believe he would have any success – especially a doctor.”

    Yeah, I do and doctors getting out of the obligation is not that unusual:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2009/06/27/2009-06-27_fed_court_upholds_discharge_for_peacelovin_army_doctor.html

    If Doctor Fruitcake had sought my services, here is how I would have handled his case:

    1. He becomes a born again conscientious objector. He applies for the status and we have him give interviews telling how the wars in the Middle East and what returning troops have told him has caused him to say No to war.

    2. I have his relatives and friends besiege his CongressCritter.

    3. I go through his record with a fine toothcomb and find examples of how he has been treated unfairly by the Army. I am a proud Army veteran and trust me, as I think all Army vets could attest, the Green Machine treats everyone unfairly at one time or another.

    4. I have him live out his Islamic faith, talking about Mohammed while he is with patients and at medical meetings.

    5. I take out my violin and play up to the press the prejudice angle. According to Colonel Terry Lee Dr. Fruitcake was called harsh names by his fellow officers when he expressed his beliefs and the press would eat up the meme of neanderthal Army officers oppressing this poor peaceful Muslim psychiatrist.

    6. I give hints to the Army that Dr. Fruitcake is under a lot of stress and who knows what might happen unless we can get him out of the Army.

    7. I enlist the usual list of Useful Idiots of peace groups, radical groups, church groups, etc., to rally to the cause of this Doctor who has seen the light and who will not fight in Pharoah’s Army any longer.

    By the time I was done I think I could have gotten Doctor Fruitcake a good conduct discharge and maybe even forgiveness of his debt. As they say, this isn’t rocket science and I think any competent litigator could do the same.

    Of course Dr. Fruitcase wasn’t interested in getting out of the Army. In his twisted mind he was interested in screaming Allahu Abkar and murdering men and women who wore the same uniform he disgraced.

  • “5. I take out my violin and play up to the press the prejudice angle.”

    Wouldn’t it be far more effective to just have a string quartet nearby playing Barber’s Requiem?

  • “We certainly can–and should–deny entry for those Muslims who insist on forms of sharia which threaten the constitutional order. We did no less for would-be communist subversives.”

    I have no problem with that. In a case like that, you’re talking about someone who demonstrates unwillingness to accept our system of law, or is affilated with a group whose professed aims are subversive or illegal. That’s not the same as assuming that all Muslims by definition are potential terrorists.

  • “By the time I was done I think I could have gotten Doctor Fruitcake a good conduct discharge and maybe even forgiveness of his debt. As they say, this isn’t rocket science and I think any competent litigator could do the same.”

    Maybe he should have tried dressing as a woman… oh wait, that didn’t even work for Corporal Klinger back in the (fictional) Korean War and it would probably be even less likely to work today.

  • I had to google “Corporal Klinger”…

    …just kidding.

  • Section eights, mentally unfit, were much harder to come by Elaine back in the days when Uncle Sam needed every male who could pull a trigger and before society became consistantly stuck on stupid.

  • You make me feel very old sometimes Tito!

  • Maybe its just because he’s not married yet 🙂

  • Don:

    I knew Army doctors who tried every trick in the book to get out of their committment including being 150lbs over weight standards and being totally incabable of meeting any of the PT standards. The Army just got them special order uniforms.

    The fact that this Army “psychiatrist” was acting like a fruitcake for the past year and this did not lead anyone in the Army to seek his discharge should tell you something.

    Why can’t you and other folks just accept the simple fact that these silly neverending wars are having a disasterous effect upon US soldiers and their mental well being – no matter what their religion.

  • Well awakaman I cited you an actual recent case showing you how it was done by a doctor who became a CO when his precious skin was going to be shipped off to Iraq. There are a lot of ways for people to get around living up to the oaths they swore when they voluntarily joined the military.

    No one sought his discharge from the Army because Dr Fruitcake never sought it. Of course the Army should have had him under constant surveillance after his internet postings surfaced six months ago. I am sure that the inevitable investigation will reveal that the usual culprit, bureaucratic inertia, led to no action being taken.

    The wars we are fighting in the Middle East are neither silly nor never-ending, but necessary and winnable as Iraq demonstrates. Your attempt to make an anti-war argument out of the murderous rampage of Dr. Fruitcake is mistaken. His motivation was Islamic fervor as his cry before the slaughter commenced indicates, and probably paranoia which of course a paranoid psychiatrist would be unable to self-diagnose.

  • Don:

    1) Sorry I am not swayed by the anecdotal evidence you provided of one single doctor who it appeared had been fighting before army boards and in the federal courts for CO status for EIGHT (8) years before he received it. Rather, the military’s severe “stop-loss” policy is still in effect and will only be phased out gradually during the next 2 years.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/washington/19gates.html
    How, much do want to bet that 2 years from now there will be even more soldiers being held against their wishes under this program?

    2) Reports state that he did take actions to obtain a discharge and to prevent his deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan. Perhaps he did not take the well reasoned path you suggested Don but we are talking about a man going down the path of madness.

    3) Don, the fact is that suicides among military personnel and veterans are at alarming levels, yet the Department of Defense does more to hide these facts than it does to deal with them.

    http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/31885

    Here we have a person who’s job it was to make our troops feel good about invading other people’s countries and killing strangers, and we’re surprised that he was capable of such an act.

    When my wife’s nephew was on his first tour in Afghanistan, he was the machine gunner on back of a Hum-v. The first couple of days they had him shoot every dog they saw so he would become numb to killing. No matter how noble the cause the chief purpose of our military is to train killers. . . and then we are surprised when they kill.

    4) Yes, Don, “silly and unending”. This case just goes further to show how our interventionist foreign policy is creating anti-Americanism both at home and abroad. Little third world stone-age warrior Afghanistan has been the death knell of many empires. . . my guess it will be where one more dies during that empire’s quest to prop up a corrupt government that allows big US oil to run an oil pipe line accross that nation.

    I also note that the big news in the paper and on the radio this morning was that the Major once said he was “a moslem first and an American second.” Horror of horrors.

  • Actually awakman evidence is also surfacing that Hasan attempted to contact al-Qaeda and the FBI knew about this prior to the shootings.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/09/abc-fbi-knew-hasan-tried-to-contact-al-qaeda/

    This is shaping up into a major story about whether this massacre was an act of Jihad, and, more importantly, why the Feds didn’t act against the fellow prior to him going Jihadal at Fort Hood. There is more here now I think than just a simple nut case and I will be posting more about it tomorrow.

  • Clearly a case of shell-shock by proxy.

    Unitarians do the same thing.

    Big Oil.

    The Crusades.

    Nothing to see here–move along.

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  • Awakaman:

    If the war in Afghanistan is “silly,” I would like to know what your policy response would be to an act of state-supported terrorism such as 9/11? Should we have had the FBI politely knock on the door of every hut in Helmand, serving search warrants to the suspected criminals?

  • J. Christian:

    We bombed the Taliban leadership and permitted opposing warlords to overthrow them. But. . . no. . . we have to go in and impose a modern western democratic state so everyone can have their Coke, Pepsi, Playboy Magazines and so their women can wear mini-skirts, vote and get abortions.

    Well now all we have done is increase the number of Taliban followers and turn previously friendly warlords against us. Our support of the Russian oppostion during the wonderful reign of Ronald the Great lead to the rise of the Taliban and our continued interference in this area of the world will only lead to their greater growth and prestige in the area.

  • we have to go in and impose a modern western democratic state so everyone can have their Coke, Pepsi, Playboy Magazines and so their women can wear mini-skirts, vote and get abortions.

    Oh, sure. That’s why Afghanistan’s shiny new constitution–with our full throated approval–enshrines Sharia as the supreme law of the land. Under Article 3 of that document, “No law shall be contrary to the beliefs and practices of Islam.”

    Which was why Abdul Rahman was in real danger of execution for apostasy from Islam, editors have been given hard labor for publishing articles criticizing stoning, translators of the Koran have been imprisoned for blasphemy, Shiite Afghan men can starve their wives if they don’t put out, and married women can’t attend school for fear of polluting unmarried girls with their sexuality.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HC25Df02.html

    http://www.rsf.org/Editor-Ali-Mohaqiq-Nasab-gets-two.html

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,394522,00.html

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/afghan-husbands-win-right-to-starve-wives/

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/29/afghanistan.theeditorpressreview

    Yeah, that’s democracy whiskey sexy in action, all right.

    Look, the idea of trying to impose Western style democracy was stillborn from the start.

    But let’s not entertain any delusional fantasies that that’s what we’ve tried to do in Afghanistan. Because it’s not. In fact, it’s just the opposite–we’ve given the country over to a reduced-calorie version of the Taliban.

Padre of Guadalcanal

Monday, October 26, AD 2009

BE058992Frederic Gehring was probably lucky that he was born and reared in Brooklyn.  It has always been a tough town and it prepared him for the adventurous life he was to lead.  Born on January 20, 1903,  he went on to attend and graduated from Saint John’s Prep.  Setting his eyes on being a missionary priest, he entered the minor seminary of the Vincentians, Saint Joseph’s, near Princeton,  New Jersey.  Earning his BA in 1925, he entered the seminary of Saint Vincent’s in Philadelphia.

Ordained as a priest on May 22, 1930, he was unable to immediately go to China due to military activity of the Communists in Kiangsi province.  For three years he traveled throughout the US raising funds for the missions in China, and, at long last, in 1933 he was able to pack his bags and sailed for China.  Laboring in the Chinese missions from 1933-1939 in the midst of warlordism, civil war and the invasion of China, commencing in 1937, by Japan must have been tough, but Father Gehring was always up to any challenge.  For example,  in 1938 Japanese planes strafed a mission he was at.  Father Gehring ran out waving a large American flag in hopes that the Japanese would not wish to offend a powerful neutral nation and would stop the strafing.  The Japanese planes did fly off, and Father Gehring was pleased until someone at the mission pointed out that maybe the Japanese had simply run out of ammo!  In 1939 Father Gerhring returned to the States to raise funds for the missions.

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  • Another great story Don.

    My oldest son is currently in Honiara on Guadalcanal with the Australia & NZ Bank as their regional corporate manager. He has sent some interesting photos back (also on Facebook) of some of the memorial sites around the island.
    He will be returning home in November after a year away – haven’t had the chance to go and visit him there, much to my chagrin – I love travel.

  • Thanks for the great article about the Padre of Guadalcanal.
    He was my instructor at St. John’s, Jamaica, NY..and we all loved him, especially his wonderful stories.
    Loved it. God Bless!

  • A beautiful story. I am glad that the good Padre lived on to do many other good works after the war was over.

    And I love the story about Ross and “The Yiddisher Mama” song. I’m sure there was plenty of mutual respect among the men of different faiths fighting that war, even if that generation did not feel the need to trumpet their “diversity” and “inclusiveness” to the world.

  • Don, I will say again that it is a small world! I know only one person who has been to Guadalcanal, a retired Methodist Minister, who was a navy corpsman with the Marines in 42. He has some interesting tales to tell!

    Helen, I envy you. In addition to being a great priest and a very brave man I also suspect he was a character and a half, and I would have loved to have heard his stories!

    Donna, I have noticed in the military that almost all differences become small ones when facing a crisis, and there is no crisis like combat.

  • The article on Father Gehring and Barney Ross was fasinating to read and is very personal to me. I have been researching the 52nd Field Hospital on Guadalcanal. I had heard about the Christmas Service from a army veteran who was with the 101st Medical Regiment with the Americal Division. People forget that the Army entered combat in Nov. ’42’ and fought along side the Marines. I have often wondered about the details of the Christmas Service as mentioned in the letter from a veteran. He humbly stated that on Christmas Eve services were held at the chapel tent and Barney Ross, ex-boxing Champ sang and played the orgin and he was quite good! I have often wondered where did the organ come from on a jungle island during some of the most savage combat of the pacific? Well now I know, thanks to Father Gehring’s personal belongings. I love the photograph and would like to use it for a unit history that I am working on for the 52nd. I plan on devoting a segment to the Ministries including the Chapel that the natives built for the cemetery dedication, and also the hospitals own chapel tent who’s altar was painted in frescos by one of the enlisted personnel. One more interesting fact that I was told by my dad who was a member of the 52nd was the death of Father Neil Doyle who was wounded on New Georgia and died on the operating table after being evacuated to Guadalcanal. He had developed gangrene in his leg and my dad donated blood for his surgery. The hospital personnel really took it hard when news spread that he had died. He was wounded giving last rites on the battlefield on Munda, New Georgia. How can I obtain copy of the picture of Gehring and Ross for my publication and consent. I would like to hear any fedback regarding this subject. By the way, Oct.26th is my birthday, this is one of the best presents ever!

  • Thank you for your comments Raymond and especially for the interesting information on Father Neil Doyle who will be a subject of one of my future posts. I will try to find where I got the picture from. I recall it took some doing. Unfortunately I have no rights to it, but I will attempt to locate the original source and post it here.

  • Thank you for replying. I am looking forward to reading your article on Father Doyle. If you haven’t researched the Archdiocese of Hartford you might consider a inquirey. Sister Irene Fortier was kind enough to send me some material on Father Doyle back in 1995. This event remained forever etched in my Dad’s memory and although it was difficult, I did eventually hear his side of the story. I have some photos of a Chatholic Chaplain saying mass inside a tent on Guadalcanal. This was before the Natives built and dedicated the chapel at the cemetery in March of ’43’. I would like to identify the Chaplain in my photos although I know there were many men of the cloth serving with different outfits. Perhaps it may be John F. Culliton,John P. Mahoney, Bishop Aubin, John P. Daly, Thomas O’Malley just to name a few who were on the island at the time. I don’t believe it is Father Gehring. If I can be of any help let please let me know. You had mentioned that you knew a Methodist Minister who was a medic on Guadalcanal. Would it be possible to forward my information regarding the 52nd Field Hospital? The army took over the Marines field hospital “C-1” after it arrived in Nov ’42’ and treated the sick and wounded from all branches of the military until evacuation was possible. I would love to hear from him.

  • Has anyone mentioned Marine Chaplain “Padre” Tom Reardon? I have gorgeous photos and article about his time at Guadalcanal. He went in with the first wave of Marines and eventually contracted malaria and left the island unconcious, before recovering in California. He is the PADRE showcased in the book and motion picutre “Guadalcanal Diary.” He was my dad’s first cousin and had an accomplished life post-war, and is still honored each year with an award at the Seton Hall University School of Law. The photos I have of him saying mass on the island are spectacular.

  • Great information. I too have been collecting informatoin on the 214th Coastal Artillery (AA)regiment, attached to the Americal Division on January 1943 on Guadalcanal. My father s/sgt Robert Burns served with the HQ Battery, 2nd Battalion of the 214th CA (AA). The unit Chaplain’s name was J.F. O’Connell, he may appear in the March 1943 photo mentioned above on Guadalcanal. I would appreciate any information you can provide for this period on Guadalcanal.

  • If I come across any additional information Robert, I will pass it on to you.

  • Tom, I will have to make time to do a post on the remarkable Father Tom Reardon.

  • What a terrific story – thank you. I visited Guadalcanal about 30 times in my 5 years as the Catholic Police Chaplain with RAMSI 2004>2009. In 2006 we blessed a beautiful thached roof open sided chapel overlooking the Red Beach landing zone, where ironically RAMSI came ashore in 2003. From the altar you can look out across the Channel toward the Florida Islands and Tulagi. Conducting services there each Sunday is alive with the spirit of all the men who were killed in ’42 & ’43. I always offer prayers for the thousands who died right here in this area – Tenaru is a few miles away – you can hear the waters lapping on the beach from the chapel, and Savo Island is just around the corner to the left. If you want to visit this beautiful memorial chapel you’d have to request permission at the security gate of the RAMSI compound, called Guadalcanal Beach Resort [GBR]. The Australian Government through RAMSI largly funded the chapel with its heavy wooden pews, altar, chairs and large Christian cross prominent. Thanks again for enshrining the stories in our memories. Blessings, Rev Mick O’Donnell, former Australian Federal Police Chaplain

  • Thank you Father!

  • Here is a letter from Padre Thomas M Reardon to his sister Mary Reardon (who was Sister Margaret Thomas, Sisters of Charity) dated August 6, 1942 (the original letter is in very good condition in a scrapbook page.
    I was born 17 years later TO THE DAY and named for him: Thomas Matthew Looney. Here is his letter written on the eve of battle.

    Dear Mary,

    Remember me, your brother. I used to say, “join the convent and see the world.” Well, you can change it—join the Marines and see the world. I hope you are well and taking good care of yourself. Regards to Sister Rosalie.
    We are on the eve of battle Mary. We have full expectations of licking the enemy. All of the boys are ready! Confessions conversions communions are a big part of my life with the boys.
    My life has been hidden from you so I wouldn’t have you worry about me. You know how much I love you and how proud I’ve always been of you. Both of us can be so thankful for such a grand Mom and Pop and cousins at 276. I know your prayers follow me. Don’t worry about me—I have a job to do and am proud to be with the boys. I feel that all your prayers at home will protect me. Remember Mary your brother loves you very much too much that you should worry about me. Together as grateful children of good parents we place ourselves in the arms of Jesus for his love and consolation. Adieu–God Bless You Fr. Tom

  • Where is the best place for me to place Padre Tom Reardon’s war papers, etc.? Marine Corps Museum?

  • That is some letter Tom. I would suggest the Marine Corps Recruit Depot Museum in San Diego:

    http://www.platoonphoto.com/dayhall/index.html

  • I discovered this item online and thought it would be of interest regarding Msgr. Reardon

    Chaplain Heroes

    Chalice of Rev. Thomas M. Reardon, U.S.N.R. (1909- 1987)
    1934
    silver and gold plated
    Gift of the Reardon Family to the Archives of the Archdiocese of Newark, Seton Hall University
    Thomas M. Reardon (1909-1987) was ordained a priest of the Diocese of Newark in 1934. In 1941, before Pearl Harbor, he entered the United States Navy as a chaplain, volunteering for service with the United States Marine Corps. He was the first chaplain to go ashore with the Marines at Guadalcanal. His exploits were featured in the book and film, ?Guadalcanal Diary,? with actor Preston Foster in the leading role. Monsignor Reardon later served as Regent of the School of Law of Seton Hall University and Pastor of Sacred Heart Parish, Bloomfield, NJ.

    Inscribed ?In Memory of My Parents Thomas and Mary Reardon Chalice used at Guadalcanal Aug. 8th- Dec.2nd, 1942.? This chalice was part of Father Reardon?s ?Mass Kit,? and was used by him during the Battle of Guadalcanal.

  • Thank you Tom. Great info.

Happy Thanksgiving

Thursday, November 27, AD 2008

thanksgiving-afghanistan

May all of our readers have a Happy Thanksgiving!  As we thank God before eating mass quantities of turkey, cranberries, mashed potatoes, et al, perhaps one blessing we might praise the Almighty for is the skill and courage of a lot of men and women, many not too far out of their teens, who spend their Thanksgivings far from home and family so that we may live in peace and freedom.

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  • Thanksgiving is “all about the troops” over here at The American Catholic. Surprise surprise. American first, Catholic second.

  • I give thanks for you Catholic Anarchist. Your scornful attitude towards men and women who guard our freedom, most of whom have more courage in an hour than you could muster in a lifetime, illustrates well how much we owe them and how mean spirited their detractors are. Well done Catholic Anarchist for helping to draw this important lesson.

  • Donald: I am also grateful for our U.S. and coalition troops, and ask for prayers for them, including my brother, and all those working to build decent self-governance in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  • I am grateful and thankful for all that our troops do.

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  • Thank you Jonathan. My prayers for the safety of your brother.

  • Michael:

    Seriously, let it go. All Donald did was simply post a picture of American troops and offer a prayer for them, and that triggers your Pavlonian response mechanism. Is it such a horrible thing? Are you simply that depraved a human being that you can’t let such a simple thing go?

  • Donald, I said nothing against the troops. What I did was criticize your immediate linkage of the holiday with soldiering. You say nothing of the real meaning of Thanksgiving, but only saw yet another opportunity to indulge in soldier-worship. To make note of that tendency you have is NOT to display “mean spiritedness” toward them. You are the one with an obvious pathology, not me.

  • Soldier worship? Come now.

    It doesn’t strike me that anyone attempted a post about the “real meaning” of Thanksgiving, except Donald’s on the 26th repeating President Washington’s original Thanksgiving poclamation — which certainly seems to me to address the “real meaning” of the holiday.

    However, given that many of our cultural rituals around the holiday center on gathering with family around the banquet table, it strikes me as entirely natural that people’s thoughts would turn to those whom duty keeps away from their families that this time.

    (Can I guess that perhaps you thought you’d spin by American Catholics to see what “those crazy AC guys” were up to, in the way that even when I’m not actively reading Vox Nova I always have to drop by and read you annual anti-US posts on American holidays such as the 4th of July and Veterans Day? No shame in it. We all have our sick curiousities about those we seldom agree with. What will they say next?)

  • I will always be thankful for those who choose to put their lives on the line so that I can exist with a greater sense of security, for those soldiers of ours who fight the enemy on their soil so we don’t have to fight it here.

    michael, there is a very important war going on that has nothing to do with the middle east, and it looks like you have chosen the side of the bad guys.

  • I will always be thankful for those who choose to put their lives on the line so that I can exist with a greater sense of security, for those soldiers of ours who fight the enemy on their soil so we don’t have to fight it here.

    “I will always be thankful for the poor and minorities for fighting on my behalf.”

    michael, there is a very important war going on that has nothing to do with the middle east, and it looks like you have chosen the side of the bad guys.

    Thank you, Dubya.

  • Gentlemen,

    Thou shalt not feed the troll.

  • “I will always be thankful for the poor and minorities for fighting on my behalf.”

    Well Catholic Anarchist it has been thirty years since I last wore a green uniform, but when I was in we had poor, minorities, white, middle class and some rich. From my friends currently serving I have been advised that the makeup of the military remains the same, except that now the military tends to be better educated than the general population. Have you ever served in the military? From your comments regarding our troops, I suspect you have gleaned most of your ideas regarding the military from repeated viewings of Oliver Stone’s Platoon.

    “Thank you, Dubya.”

    Truest thing you are likely to say for a long time Catholic Anarchist. As the events in Mumbai illustrate, the world has a very big problem with radical islam, and the defeat of the radical Islamists in Iraq is a step in the right direction.

    I worship God, not the military. Having served in the Army I realize that troops are rarely, in Kipling’s memorable phrase, “plaster saints”. However I greatly respect those who put themselves in danger to protect my family, and I pray daily that God protect them.

  • “I will always be thankful for the poor and minorities for fighting on my behalf.”

    The Army is about 78% white, compared to an American population that is 77% white. Ever think of using Google before exposing your facile ignorance, Mikey?

  • You know why relations among ethnic groups are significantly better in the military than in civilian life? First, working toward a common goal. Second, the same barriers to entry. If you don’t pass the tests and the training, you ain’t doing it, period. So there is a lot less resentment, and you know you can count on the person next to you. No quotas, no “need” to hire more of x, y, or z. We could, and should, learn from this.

  • Jonathan,

    Don’t tell Michael I. that, that’ll destroy his parallel universe.

  • Not a fun guy, this Michael I. Don posts something nice about giving thanks to our guys and gals in uniform and Katie bar the door. Must be tough living under that skin. Doesn’t understand thanksgiving, respect, gratitude. Arrgh- making my leftover turkey curdle just thinking about him. Happy Turkey Day weekend and blessed Advent to all. You too, Mikey.

  • Michael, you’ve got me confused son, Ive never voted for any Bush, and you are still the bad guy.