Pelosi, the Bishops and Tekel

Monday, June 16, AD 2014

 

 

For years faithful Catholics have been urging the excommunication of the Lying Worthless Political Hack, aka Nancy Pelosi House Minority Leader.  Such pleas have fallen on deaf ears.  Now the Lying Worthless Political Hack believes that she can bully the Archbishop of her city, San Francisco, and she quotes Pope Francis while doing so.  Father Z gives us the details:

 

 

Nancy Pelosi urges S.F. archbishop to exit marriage march

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi took the lead this week in a high-profile lobbying effort to pressure San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone not to attend the controversial March for Marriage event, which she characterized as “venom masquerading as virtue.”

Pelosi, who is one of the country’s most powerful [pro-abortion absolutist] Catholic politicians, made a passionate appeal to the archbishop in a letter obtained by The Chronicle not to participate in the National Organization for Marriage’s June 19 march on the Supreme Court in Washington.

Cordileone, who is one of the featured speakers at the event, was a leader in the campaign for Proposition 8, the 2008 California anti-gay-marriage initiative.

“We share our love of the Catholic faith and our city of San Francisco,” Pelosi wrote to Cordileone, who, as head of the 560,000-member Archdiocese of San Francisco, has become the Catholic bishops’ point man against gay marriage. She urged him to abandon an event in which some of the participants show “disdain and hate towards LGBT persons.”  [If that’s what Pelosi says, you can be sure the event is exactly the opposite.]

Invoking the words of Pope Francis with regard to gays and lesbians, she wrote, “If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him?” [?!?…. and?]

The goal of the second annual March for Marriage is to draw thousands of supporters of what they call “traditional marriage” [you can almost hear the sneer…. “what they call…”] to walk from the U.S Capitol to the Supreme Court. Conservative former presidential candidates Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, as well as Cordileone, are being billed as the star speakers.

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Is there some initiative out there in support of Archbp. Cordileone? I am itching to create an ACTION ITEM.

Can. 915 needs to be applied to this scandalous wreck of a Catholic.

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35 Responses to Pelosi, the Bishops and Tekel

  • Mark Shea (and the site he links to) disagrees with you, Don. But, them again, Mr. Shea is very disagreeable! http://www.patheos.com/blog/markshea/2014/06/mackerel-snapper-asks-the-musical-question.html

  • Virtue is a high dollar boutique where the House Minority Leader shops.

    Virtue is a word in which poor Nancy has neither the concept of, nor experience in practice thereof. Now venom! All snakes are experts in producing venom. House Minority Leader included.

    Nancy. Go fly a kite.

  • “If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him?” [?!?…. and?]
    .
    Please note that Pope Francis says nothing, absolutely nothing about those who are practicing gay behavior, the sodomists. The sodomist denies his partner’s soul and can’t be bothered searching for the Lord. Is this good will or indulgence is one’s own lust? Or am I judging?
    .
    Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader, says that she had five children in six years. Does that mean that if I have five children in six years, I can become House Minority Leader?
    .
    Immediate animation by the human, rational, immortal soul occurs at fertilization, before the human being begins his journey down the fallopian tubes. (fallopian implantation may rupture the fallopian tube and cause immediate death for the mother in which instance removing the human being is necessary to save the life of the mother. Death must be imminent for this cause to be invoked. Prognosis is a definite maybe)
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    Willful human sacrifice is worship of the devil and cannot be permitted in a civilized society because another human being, a potential American citizen, being sacrificed, is unconstitutional. It is called homicide.
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    Kermit Gosnell went to prison for murdering American citizens. How many sovereign souls, from immediate animation through citizenship at birth, Gosnell ripped from the womb untimely, will be known in eternity. Atheism says there is no eternity. Mother Angelica says: “You will believe in hell, when you get there.”

  • Back in September of 2008, then-Speaker of the House Pelosi made several
    comments downplaying the seriousness of her rejection of Church teaching
    on the sanctity of life. In the controversy that followed, then-Archbishop of
    San Francisco George Niederauer publicly chastised Pelosi and informed her
    that he wanted to sit down with her and discuss both her scandalous rejection
    of the Church’s teaching and her reception of Holy Communion.
    .
    Pelosi’s office responded by stating that Madame Speaker was very, very busy
    and Pelosi pinky-swore that she’d sit catch up with her Archbishop as soon as
    possible. Six years and a new Archbishop later, and Pelosi still hasn’t found
    a free moment to have that sit-down with her Ordinary… It’s almost as if she
    was making a show of how little she cares what her Archbishop (and the Church)
    thinks.
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    If Canon 915 isn’t applicable in the case of the scandal that is Pelosi, pray
    tell when would it be?

  • I would agree that the most grievous of all sins could be the outright denial of the Divine Mercy of our God. Since divine mercy would necessarily include divine justice in its concluding judgment of mankind this has to be a reasonable position for us. Too often we humans, in making judgment of our actions and behavior, have a tendency to overlook the preeminence of this. That is the basis of what Pope Francis meant when he said “Who am I to judge”.
    We have the Law, the Scriptures, and Tradition to guide us in the pursuit of perfection to which we have been called but that perfection, if it could ever be achieved, would in truth simply be a human image of the one and only Divinity. The Pope was excusing himself from the vainglory some humans ascend to when they make declarations about others and assign definitive sentences regarding their activity.
    The only way to find out who is in hell is to go there and the path there includes setting oneself up as an authority on its contents. This, unfortunately, is what is meant by the oft used “judge not lest you be judged” precaution we Christians have been given. Unfortunate, because it has been twisted and used by the forces of Evil to stop the faithful in their tracks anytime we attempt to reveal its presence in the minds and hearts of sinful men and women posing as our benefactors in their efforts to lead us to a secular Utopia.

  • Revelation chapter 2:

    20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jez′ebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and beguiling my servants to practice immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. 21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her immorality. 22 Behold, I will throw her on a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her doings; 23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.

  • Pelosi had a private meeting with Pope Benedict XVI. There is no way Pope Benedict XVI did not inform Pelosi of the Truth. If Pelosi does not hear the Pope, Pelosi will not hear her Bishop.

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  • While I find Nancy Pelosi’s views on abortion and gay marriage repugnant, particularly as she identifies as a practising Catholic and cannot understand why she has not been prohibited from receiving communion, I am not at all happy with descriptions of her as “a wreck of a Catholic” or a “lying worthless political hack.”
    These descriptions are degrading and I believe, un-Christian. Let’s stick to constructive criticism of what she stands for, what she has said and how she has acted but leave out the personal attacks, the insulting language.

  • “I am not at all happy with descriptions of her as “a wreck of a Catholic” or a “lying worthless political hack.””

    Purely accurate descriptions Robert, and I can attest to that as I have made a close study of her career. It is never degrading or un-Christian to call a spade, a spade.

  • What needs to happen is C915 needs to be revised so it can be applied. In the Latin, direct means direct, not support or vote.

  • Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles
    Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
    Prefect, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

    [Note: The following memorandum was sent by Cardinal Ratzinger to Cardinal McCarrick and was made public in the first week of July 2004.]

    1. Presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion should be a conscious decision, based on a reasoned judgment regarding one’s worthiness to do so, according to the Church’s objective criteria, asking such questions as: “Am I in full communion with the Catholic Church? Am I guilty of grave sin? Have I incurred a penalty (e.g. excommunication, interdict) that forbids me to receive Holy Communion? Have I prepared myself by fasting for at least an hour?” The practice of indiscriminately presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion, merely as a consequence of being present at Mass, is an abuse that must be corrected (cf. Instruction “Redemptionis Sacramentum,” nos. 81, 83).

    2. The Church teaches that abortion or euthanasia is a grave sin. The Encyclical Letter Evangelium vitae, with reference to judicial decisions or civil laws that authorize or promote abortion or euthanasia, states that there is a “grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. […] In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to ‘take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law or vote for it'” (no. 73). Christians have a “grave obligation of conscience not to cooperate formally in practices which, even if permitted by civil legislation, are contrary to God’s law. Indeed, from the moral standpoint, it is never licit to cooperate formally in evil. […] This cooperation can never be justified either by invoking respect for the freedom of others or by appealing to the fact that civil law permits it or requires it” (no. 74).

    3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.

    4. Apart from an individual’s judgment about his worthiness to present himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion may find himself in the situation where he must refuse to distribute Holy Communion to someone, such as in cases of a declared excommunication, a declared interdict, or an obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin (cf. can. 915).

    5. Regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia, when a person’s formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws), his Pastor should meet with him, instructing him about the Church’s teaching, informing him that he is not to present himself for Holy Communion until he brings to an end the objective situation of sin, and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist.

    6. When “these precautionary measures have not had their effect or in which they were not possible,” and the person in question, with obstinate persistence, still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, “the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it” (cf. Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts Declaration “Holy Communion and Divorced, Civilly Remarried Catholics” [2002], nos. 3-4). This decision, properly speaking, is not a sanction or a penalty. Nor is the minister of Holy Communion passing judgment on the person’s subjective guilt, but rather is reacting to the person’s public unworthiness to receive Holy Communion due to an objective situation of sin.

    [N.B. A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.]

  • Nancy Pelosi has excommunicated herself (latae sententia) long ago.

  • Yes, it is uncharitable to call her those names. You undercut your credibility by doing so. I agree with you that she is deplorable. But as soon as anyone hears simple name calling, they can immediately ignore the column as being the work of strong emotion rather than reason. So while it may have made you feel better, it has effectively destroyed the persuasive value of your writing.
    Christians are called to be generous towards those who are wrong. “Turn the other cheek” – “If one asks you to go a mile with them, go two” “Even the gentiles hate their enemies and love their friends.

    “It is not degrading to call a spade a spade”. The point is not about Pelosi. It is about you and how you model Christian behavior.

    Pelosi can be rhetorically dismantled without calling her names. And it would be far more effective to do it in a calm, reasoned way rather than a “I am out of control” way

  • Cernhigss: “Pelosi can be rhetorically dismantled without calling her names. And it would be far more effective to do it in a calm, reasoned way rather than a “I am out of control” way”
    .
    Then do it

  • Is there anything we can do to force the Bishop’s hands in order to bring about the devil’s, Pelosi’s, excommunication ? When the Bishops are rotting in a jail cell at her hand, do u think they will finally act?

  • “Yes, it is uncharitable to call her those names. You undercut your credibility by doing so. I agree with you that she is deplorable. But as soon as anyone hears simple name calling, they can immediately ignore the column as being the work of strong emotion rather than reason. So while it may have made you feel better, it has effectively destroyed the persuasive value of your writing.”

    Cernhigss: Your argument has “some” truth in it but not “the” truth or by any means “all” truth. Jesus Christ while here in Earth called religious hypocrites the children of the Devil (yes, Satan himself,) told them they were whited walls–a very ugly yet picturesque insult, told them they were carrying out the deeds if their father the Devil, called them vipers/snakes, was violent with money changers in a house of worship, etc.

    Emotion does not invalidate argument–that is a political lie.

  • Daniel L Gray may be right, when he says, “Nancy Pelosi has excommunicated herself (latae sententia) long ago” but against this, we must remember the Council of Constance’s decree, Ad evitenda Scandala, “To avoid scandal and numerous dangers and to relieve timorous consciences, we hereby mercifully grant to all the faithful that henceforth no one need refrain from communicating with another in the reception or administration of the sacraments, or in other matters Divine or profane, under pretext of any ecclesiastical sentence or censure, whether promulgated in general form by law or by a judge, nor avoid anyone whomsoever, nor observe an ecclesiastical interdict, except when this sentence or censure shall have been published or made known by the judge in special and express form, against some certain, specified person, college, university, church, community, or place.”

  • I love the wording from the Ad evitenda Scandala decree. Kindness of clarity is expressed in “To avoid scandal and numerous dangers and to Relieve Timorous Consciences, … when this sentence or censure shall have been published or made known by the judge in special and express form, …”
    The word, timorous, is food for thought. (Thank you for your endless source of references! They remind of your convenient discovery of a hyacinth in a cabinet for a holiday.)

  • Good column Donald. Spot on. Call a spade a spade. “Ye brood of vipers” comes to mind, “whited sepulcres full of dead men’s bones,” and, what you don’t see in commentaries is that Jesus called Herod something worse than “a fox.” My Arabic scripture teacher said that the Aramaic word meant something more like “skunk.” I assume he knew what he was talking about. He actually memorized the four Gospels, and could recite one of them in Greek. God rest his soul.

  • Also I am dismayed by Archbishop Cordileoni’s equivocal letter, especially that the March is “not against anything.” It certainly is against something, sodomite marriage.

  • Where the bishop is, there is the Church. So, where is the bishop?

    Public acts of scandal require public acts of correction. So, where is the bishop?

  • To all those who wrote to the following effect, “Yes, it is uncharitable to call her those names…”

    What do you think both John the Baptist and Jesus called the Pharisees?

    What do you think John the Baptist said to King Herod for his perverted sexual relations?

    What do you think Jesus Himself said to the disciples about King Herod?

    What do you think St. Peter said to Sapphira’s face for lying?

    What do you think St. Paul told the Church of Corinth to do with the sex pervert, and what do you think he said about Hymenaeus and Alexander?

    What do you think St. John said about that adulteress Jezebel at the Church in Thyatira?

    It is high time to confront these murderers and sex perverts to their faces. Words mean everything. Furthermore, it isn’t judgment to state an observation.

  • Paul P.
    Agreed.

    One more. Matthew 5:37; “Let your yes be yes, and your no, no. For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.”

    Her explanation of late term abortion is most definitely from the evil one. “Sacred?” Really? Praying for her soul is our responsibility.

  • Man is sacred. KIlling man is unholy.

  • Thank you Pat for the Crisis link. Very informative. This phrase from that article jumped out at me: ” designed to marginalize the Bishops “.
    It seems to me the archbishops letter was a good fairly measured response that protects the people who are the victims of such marginalization. If the bishops are marginalized the flocks can be more easily devoured… so his response is good I think, because it doesn’t give the enemy the red meat of bellicose verbiage, but responds couched in terms of love and respect. so many of the flock do not read Crisis, or TAC or keep up with what is going on with the Bishop’s and only get what the media and the leftish enemies of the Church want to throw to them. The bishop did not give any words that can be used against the Church but he spoke clearly enough in defense of her (the Church).
    Just can’t go out there with roundhouse punches and flailing arms but must be always aware of protecting the people who are so easily mislead.

  • “The road to hell is paved with the skulls of erring priests, with bishops as their signposts.”
    St. John Chrysostom

    “I do not think there are many among Bishops that will be saved, but many more that perish.”
    St. John Chrysostom, Extract from St. John Chrysostom, Homily III on Acts 1:12

  • “It must be observed, however, that if the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly.”
    St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica II, II, q. 33, a. 4

    “Augustine says in his Rule: ‘Show mercy not only to yourselves, but also to him who, being in the higher position among you, is therefore in greater danger.’ But fraternal correction is a work of mercy. Therefore even prelates ought to be corrected.”
    St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica II, II, q. 33, a. 4, Sed Contra

  • How encouraging to see postings by self-appointed “holier than thou” Catholics on the topic of elected officials who also happen to be Catholic. As a cradle Catholic, I would never presume to know who is or isn’t Catholic.
    We have a secular government, not a Christian government although some seem to think it is. So many of these so-called pro-life politicians have no problem voting for killing machines such as the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter or simple cluster bombs used by Israel against Palestinians. Now we have Catholic state legislators who want to make miscarriages a crime and charge these women with murder. How Christian of them. Of course, these same hypocrites are the first to take their teenage daughters to Planned Parenthood when they discover the little darling has a muffin in the oven.

  • Congratulations, Mike, on one of the most ill-informed, cliche ridden comments in blog history. Let’s go through it piece by piece.

    As a cradle Catholic, I would never presume to know who is or isn’t Catholic.

    I have no doubt that you may very well be a cradle Catholic. Of course considering the state of catechesis and Catholic education in the United States, that has very little bearing on the merits of your comment. Nevertheless, there are numerous documents – that you’ve no doubt not read or are even aware exist – that explain the responsibilities not just of Catholics but particularly of Catholic politicians. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a good place to start as it explains the moral duties of elected Catholic politicians. Also, I would note that the tenor of your last few sentences belies the idea that you are not interested in labeling who is or is not truly Catholic in your eyes.

    We have a secular government, not a Christian government although some seem to think it is.

    A rather trivial non sequitur that avoids the duties and responsibilities of elected Catholic politicians.

    So many of these so-called pro-life politicians have no problem voting for killing machines such as the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter –

    Unless you can demonstrate otherwise, I am not aware of any admonitions against methods of legitimate military self-defense. Seeing as there are no admonitions against particular fighter planes, your point is once again a non sequitur.

    Now we have Catholic state legislators who want to make miscarriages a crime and charge these women with murder.

    Yeah, this is pretty much completely made up. You might want to do research that goes beyond Facebook memes.
    Of course, these same hypocrites are the first to take their teenage daughters to Planned Parenthood when they discover the little darling has a muffin in the oven.

    I’m not sure if you’re just projecting here, but again, this really makes no sense and suggests that you are completely flailing in an attempt to make an argument.

    I get it – you really can’t express why you disagree with the blog post and as such lack the ability to make fact-based arguments as to why Nancy Pelosi’s position is the correct one, or why arguments for her excommunication are invalid. Nancy Pelosi votes to keep Democrats in power and to waste trillions of dollars of taxpayer dollars, and let’s face it – that’s a lot more important to people such as yourself than defending marriage or the unborn. And that’s cool – but let’s stop pretending that you’re the one really upholding the meaning of what it is to be Catholic. Because it’s just pathetic.

  • “It’s never degrading or un-Christian to call a spade, a spade.” It is if you’re referring to the actual person. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Dr. Bernard Nathanson- unapologetic abortionist, founder of NARAL and an atheistic Jew-died excruciatingly repentant and completely Catholic. If there is hope for him there is hope for Ms. Pelosi.

  • “It is if you’re referring to the actual person.”

    Not at all. The best confession I ever had was when a crusty old priest strongly and bluntly took me to task for my sins. I tremble at how many souls are lost due to the addiction of many Christians to a mealy mouthed religion of nice uber alles.

  • I agree with Donald. The mentor of my 12 step mentor was an old Franciscan priest and my Confessor. He was quite specific: “So you’re a garden variety drunk: a liar, a thief, a cheat, and a sex pervert. What exactly are you then willing to do to have God remove your character defects? Or do you prefer to die a drunk and go to hell?” He didn’t stop there. Mealy-mouthed religion kills. “Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand” saves.

  • Donald R. McClarey wrote, “The best confession I ever had was when a crusty old priest took me to task for my sins.”

    I once passed out, after tying my shoelace outside the Palais de Justice. I have always had low blood-pressure (not a bad thing), so it happens occasionally. Now, the French are a nation of hypochondriacs, so I was promptly rushed into the Hôtel-Dieu (great name for a hospital; it was built by St Landry in 661) about 100m away.

    M. L’Aumônier [The Almoner, as they call the chaplain}, summoned by my panicky Law Agent (who, by the by is Jewish) came into my cubicle in Casualty and, without any preliminaries, kicked off with « Pécheur, humilies-toi devant la pesante main de Dieu ! » [Sinner, humble yourself under the heavy hand of God] and we took it from there.

    The thought occurred to me that, perhaps, my hour had really come and, when he handed me a crucifix, I found myself murmuring the lines of Tibullus,
    “Te spectem, suprema mihi cum venerit hora,
    Et teneam moriens deficiente manu.”
    [May I gaze on you when my last hour comes; may I hold you, as I sink, in my dying clasp.]
    Odd, in retrospect, that a pagan love poem should best express my feelings at such a moment, but the old Abbé beamed approval, and patted my hand.

Need Reader Input: Who Are The Top 10 Dynamically Orthodox Catholic Bishops?

Sunday, June 3, AD 2012

 I would like some help in identifying the most active, passionate, orthodox American Catholic Bishops currently serving. It is a cultural thing that we seem to love rating everything- not a bad thing- and I have a personal interest in this topic because I want to offer my services to a Bishop who needs someone who gets the following Big Three Realities that I have been focusing on in my last three postings here at American Catholic.

 

1. The Obama Administration is threat #1 to the continuance of our Hierarchical Catholic Church- here in America and since we are a Superpower in worldly terms this could damage a big chunk of Christendom. I do not speak as an Obama-basher with Republican talking point tie-ins- I was a lifelong Democrat who only recently gave it up to become an Independent, not Republican. My realization about the Obama threat emerged slowly after being absorbed in a national Catholic Democrats listserve with some of the real heavyweights- like FOB (Friend of Barack) Vicki Kennedy. It was clear to me that Kennedy with her fellow travelers in Catholic universities, and liberal Catholic political organizations, have been intent on much much more than just getting more traction in American policies and legislation for a few political issues often neglected by the conservative-Right. There is blood in the water for the Church Hierarchy due to the notorious Minor Abuse Scandals. These prominent Catholic Dems seem intent on using whatever power they can muster to force changes in the Church to cut the Hierarchydown to size- replace the Teaching Authority with liberal Catholic college professors and liberal political activists who will “save” the Church from irrelevance among the youth. We have seen that President Obama has been systematically assisting in this process- not openly- but consider his choice of Joe Biden as VP with his pro-choice, pro-gay marriage beliefs, and Kathleen Sebelius as HHS Secretary who is pushing contraceptives down everyone’s throats, and I suspect we’ll see that Justice Sotomayor is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage eventually. The threat to religious liberties will hit the Catholic Church Hierarchy first, with the contraceptives mandates and then gay marriage will turn the Catholic Church Catechism into Hate Literature and every orthodox Catholic into a bigot along the lines of the old school racists back in the 60’s. No one wants to be a racist- so I’m sure that Vicki Kennedy et al are counting on most American Catholics to simply abandon their Bishops’ leadership and embrace her brand of progressive Catholicism which is Obama-cool. So- me thinks the Bishops need a few folks around who see this danger and are willing to stand with the Bishops and the Catechism. I’m here to help.  Here’s a link to my piece on the Catholic Dems/Obama “conspiracy”-  http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/05/31/obama-working-willfully-to-undermine-hierarchical-catholic-church/

 

2. Having this information about the Obama-Catholic Dem elite battleplan is useful- but I am also interested in assisting a good Bishop at the parish level with practical steps- all perfectly legal- for assisting the process of cultivating a new breed of orthodox Catholic political leaders. Pope B teaches us to free ourselves from ideologies in his last encyclical- the social doctrine of the Church is the stuff we need more of in America- the reason we keep swinging wildly from Republican to Democrat in the races for political power is that at the gut level most people get that each Party has got some things right and some things wrong. There is no Party of God- even if right now the mainstream Democratic Party represents the greater threat to the Church/Christ- we are still talking about lesser evils. The Catholic social doctrine is about building civilizations of love- this is the positive vision that is the corrective of narrow ideologies which feed on anger for the most part. The way to bring Christ’s Way into the marketplace of ideas in American political thought and debate is for more fully informed and inspired Catholic voices to emerge and assume the responsibilities of leadership at every level of our society. There is so much that we could do in every parish and school-  here is my POA (Plan of Action) which I would love to bring into a parish in a diocese where the Bishop is aware and involved to guide the development- I’m not interested in being a lone ranger or riding against the wishes of the local Bishop.  Here’s the Plan-  http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/05/10/wanted-orthodox-catholic-political-leaders-time-to-get-serious/

 

3.  Finally, my long experience in the trenches of Catholic high schools has left me with many thoughts on how to inculcate a genuine Catholic identity which has a chance of being transmitted to our very distracted youth. I would love to be part of an orthodox Bishop’s team to help select passionately orthodox Catholic administrators/teachers/staff to be in place to give life witness, along with instructional guidance, to budding disciples of Christ. You can’t give what you don’t have- so if we want Catholic students to come out the other side in love, or more in love with Christ and His Church- then you don’t load up the schools with adults who are full of dissenting views from the Catechetical teachings of the Church. I’m not saying everyone has to be some kind of a stepford-wife cheerleader type of Catholic- we all have our personalities- but if you are an adult working in a Catholic school you should be someone who is thirsty to know what the Church teaches and why- especially if it pertains to your particular discipline or area of responsibility. I get into a lot more detail beyond just the staffing issue in my article below.  I am open to returning to the teaching field or entering new territory in administration under the right Bishop in a diocese that really wants to play it straight-up as a passionately Catholic institution -without being satisfied with a PR-level Catholic Identity which produces nice dog and pony shows for visiting bishops and parents- but scratch the surface and where is the love for the Church? If you fall in love with the Church you will just want to know more and more and to share more and more with the youth and everyone you meet- am I right?  Here’s the last link-  http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/04/16/a-vision-of-catholic-education-from-the-front-lines/

 

OK- if you are still with me- here is how you can help- write out up to 10 names(and email addresses if you have them!) of Dynamically Orthodox Catholic Bishops here in America- with the name of their Diocese.  You can order them according to your own rating system. I want to follow the science here and the shortest distance between two points is a straight line- I want to begin a new mission in using whatever talents I possess for the sake of Christ and His Church- I have tried to use these talents to produce something helpful to preserve and protect the Hierarchical nature of our Catholic Church- If Christ didn’t desire a Hierarchy why bother with Apostles- He could have just had disciples with no leadership inherent in the Church- but He didn’t- evidence from Scripture, history and logic all persuaded me in my Truth Quest. I don’t want to just apply for jobs blind to the leadership in a given Diocese. Leadership matters, that’s why leaders get targeted all the time, and why assassinations are so unfortunately common throughout human history. I want a meaningful mission within the Church and short of that I will do whatever I can do to provide for my wife and four young children- this is my story and why I need our Reader’s Input. Brother (Sister) can you spare a moment and share what you know? God Bless you.

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22 Responses to Need Reader Input: Who Are The Top 10 Dynamically Orthodox Catholic Bishops?

  • Perhaps we should remember the wise words of Abbé Henri Brémond, whose life (1865-1933) spanned the Jules Ferry laws of 1882 and 1886 laicising public education, the law of 1901 suppressing many religious orders and the law of 1905 on the separation of Church and State, which vested all church buildings and other property in the nation.

    “No law can affect those who believe, those who pray; prayer is silent, prayer offends no one, prayer attacks no one.” – [La prière est silencieuse, la prière n’offense personne, la prière n’agresse personne]

    His response to the Anti-Clericalism of his time were his essays, “Prière et Poésie”[ Prayer and Poetry] and “Introduction a la Philosophie de la Prière”[Introduction to the Philosophy of Prayer] His monumental work “Histoire litteraire du sentiment religieux en France depuis la fin des guerres de religion jusqu’a nos jours” [A Literary History of Religious Sentiment in France from the end of the Wars of Rekigion to our own day] published between 1913 and 1936 in 11 volumes, was based on his unrivalled knowledge of mystical writings and devotional works. His writings on poetry, symbolism and romanticism earned him election to the Académie française in 1923 and a eulogy from the French Symbolist poet, Paul Valéry.

    His influence was incalculable.

  • The current head of the USCCB, Timothy Cardinal Dolan, Archbishop of NY and his I-95 brother (my Archbishop) in Philadelphia, Archbishop Charles J Chaput. (Lori of Baltimore and Aquila of Denver deserve mention as well in my VERY short list.)

  • My only input is cautionary; the plan of action is a good idea, BUT I’d give it about a week before it’s taken over by the same folks who use “social justice” to promote abortion, theft, etc. At the absolute least, it would claim binding teachings where they don’t exist. (I recall one discussion I was having with another Catholic, who pulled the death penalty vs abortion thing– even offering a letter from the man who would become Pope saying there was a valid variety of views didn’t sway him.)

    I do love the idea of equipping people to find out what the Church teaches for themselves, and enthusiastically endorse the answer-religious-questions-kids-as/thirsty-for-theology thing. That would have made my youth a lot more interesting, and might have kept several friends from falling away from the Church. (it would also have meant I could find a babysitter from the Parish– but that’s another rant!)

    If there was a group for something like “Catholic Q&A- Last Wednesday Of The Month Snack and Chat” I’d do it. If I thought I could pull it off, I’d start one myself. (Wed because it’s the middle of the week; schedule it about 6pm. It would have to be sort of small to start with, and a computer with one of those books-on-CD collection EWTN sells would be wise; has soup to nuts of decrees, etc.)

    … Dang it, now I’ve got a post bubbling in my head for designing theology groups. Thank you.

  • Bishop Ronald Gainer of Lexington KY: not as high profile as Dolan etc, but methodically rebuilding an orthodox and dynamic diocese. Yesterday ordained 23 deacons: 3 transtional and 20 permanent.

  • Bruskewitz, Finn, Olmstead, Morlino, Aquila, Sample, Cordlione, Nienstadt, Slattery, Chaput

  • My only input is cautionary; the plan of action is a good idea, BUT I’d give it about a week before it’s taken over by the same folks who use “social justice” to promote abortion, theft, etc. At the absolute least, it would claim binding teachings where they don’t exist.

    I would go a step further Foxfier – or backward actually. I think the other side has already been doing this for many decades. The chanceries and USCCB were chock full dissenting activists with a socialist agenda who were either supported or tolerated by their bishop. I would venture to guess that even with ascension of a large number of orthodox bishops, there are still a large number of these folks in important and influential positions. Even when an orthodox bishop takes over a troubled see, he doesn’t do a housecleaning so to speak. He pushes his agenda of reform with the people he has and tries to lead the chancery operatives to fulfill his mission. The bishops have to lead, but that doesn’t mean all will follow – and many of those people still have power and influence enough to do damage.

  • Sounds good, Tim. I would echo both MichaelP71’s and Jim’s lists, adding only three more solid bishops with whom I’ve had contact: 1) Bishop Robert Vasa of Santa Rosa, CA (and formerly of Baker, Oregon); 2) Bishop Kevin Vann of Ft. Worth, TX; and 3) Arch-bishop Wilton Gregory of Atlanta. There are undoubtedly many other good, solid bishops and auxiliaries around in the US, but they simply don’t have as high of a public profile as do these aforementioned bishops.

  • Oops! One glaring omission did just come to mind (how could we forget?) Cardinal George of Chicago, of course!

  • First of all I think Masculinity has been beat down passive aggressively both in the American Church as well as society, so if we are not willing to reject bad laws and smash the Serpents head to mush than we are bound to lose with the communist attitudes of Obama and other democratic leaders.

  • The dioceses of Wilmington Delaware seam to be getting somewhat more Orthodox but still need improving and the general public of Delaware seems very secular and the cops tend to act like gangsters in their attitudes.

  • By lose I meant lose temporarily.

  • Possibly the most important philosophical law is that because God is all knowing, all powerful, and all good we should take what he tells us seriously rather than throwing his words around like protestants who use his words to justify whatever they fancy.

  • If worst comes to worst there is just war but it would be much better if it did not have to come down to that.

  • One. I’m curious, why did it have to come to your being a Democrat “insider” before you realized your choice of political party clashed with your Catholic religion? I knew it for me when the Democrat Party officially supported and acted to make abortion-on-demand the law-of-the-land.

    Two. When are people like you going to start showing some “love” your talking about to those of us who have been battling people you have been electing to keep abortion-on-demand the law-of-the-land? And, now, thanks to Catholics like you, we have to fight to keep marriage the institution it has always been since God enacted it at the beginning of man-kind. And thanks to the 54% of Catholics like you, the U.S. bishops (equally responsible for what has continued for almost 4 decades) have to sue the President and his Administration they helped put in office just to keep our First Amendment Rights. How about showing some love to Catholics like me for realizing straight on that any organization that supports and defends the murder of innocent human beings, especially infants in the protection of their mother’s womb, could never be serious about “caring for others,” especially the “little guy?”

    Three. How about finding out why almost all the U.S. bishops adopted Cardinal Bernardin’s proposal to change the definition of “prolife,” a word coined by prolifers to counter the pro-aborts calling themselves “pro-choice?” And then, contacting those bishops still alive who voted against that change, to get their recommendations on who should be on that list of bishops you want to put together. While doing that, you ought to read the 1989 favorable biography called “Cardinal Bernardin – Easing conflicts -and battling for the soul of American Catholicism” by the cardinal’s long time friend (30 years) Eugene Kennedy. You’ll learn that that name change was a lot more political than it was spiritual. This is a quote of Bernardin’s motivation for expanding the definition to include prudential judgment issues so-call “social justice.” Page 243,244: “Not only would this move gain greater support from Catholics and others but it would keep the prolife movement from falling completely under the control of the right wing conservatives who were becoming it dominant sponsors.” How about that?! I don’t know where in the Catechism of the Catholic Church the “good” cardinal found that some how being a “right wing conservative” was evil. Maybe you know where that is?

    Anyway – how about showing some “love” for the millions of us who have removed ourselves from the sin of being in the Democrat Party, the main organization responsible for denying the right to life of God’s greatest creation – a human right by the way; and maybe perhaps an apology as well for making people like us have to fight people like you for so long?

  • Stilbelieve:

    Hold on, friend. There’s a parable about that. “Take what is yours, and go your way: I will also give to this last even as to you.” (Mt 20:14)

  • Stilbelieve:

    I’m with you!

    Nd, those people need to stop employing presumed moral superiority to advance evil and to start supporting Church teachings.

  • My own Bishop Leonard P. Blair of Toledo should be on that list. He is the bishop who conducted the recent investigation of the women religious. He is an outstanding and holy and orthodox bishop, and I am shocked, frankly, that he hasn’t been picked in the last few years to lead a higher-profile diocese. The fact that he was chosen to lead the investigation of the women religious indicates that he is at least on someone’s radar in the Vatican.

    Were it not for the fact that Bishop Blair was the Bishop of Toledo, I doubt I would have moved my family to this part of Ohio almost 7 years ago.

  • @Escolonn

    “Hold on, friend. There’s a parable about that. ‘Take what is yours, and go your way: I will also give to this last even as to you.’ (Mt 20:14)” The text in bible has the last sentence of 20:14 reading: “What if I wish to give this last one the same as you?”

    First of all, I’m not looking for “reward.” I’m looking for evidence that this author has obtained wisdom from his experience to be of help to any bishop. The question was raised in my mind soon into reading his article. He says this in the 4th sentence:
    “I do not speak as an Obama-basher with Republican talking point tie-ins- I was a lifelong Democrat who only recently gave it up to become an Independent, not Republican.”

    Talking in a dismissive way about the only major organization that has been trying to save the babies, protect our country militarily and economically, fight for our right to pick our own doctors and make our own decisions on our medical care, defend marriage as God created it, and now have to save our First Amendment Rights to freedom of religion isn’t being a “Obama-baser” using “Republican talking point tie-ins.” It’s being an American who has “eyes to see and ears to here.”

    Second, you would think that someone who contributed with their decision-making and votes all this time to prolonging the evil of abortion-on-demand remaining the law-of-the-land, and to these newer attacks on our safety and freedoms, would be a little more contrite and humble towards those who were wise enough to see the sin of remaining in the Democrat Party much sooner in their lives then he did.

    Third, I think the verse you chose is a parable better suited for the rights of ownership to do with one’s property as one chooses and pay the wages as agreed. Verse 15 completes that thought saying: “[Or] am I not free to do as I wish with my own money?”

  • Jay, it just so happens that my own bishop, Thomas John Paprocki of Springfield, Ill. is assisting with that investigation as well. He too is known for his orthodoxy and has been on the Vatican-watchers’ radar for some time, so he probably won’t be here forever!

  • Stillbelieve- I can defend my previous Democratic party membership on the grounds that I was quite active as a pro-life candidate and leader in Dems for Life- the fact is that until the 80’s the Dems were more pro-life than the Repubs- I was a Democrat long before I was Catholic- being drawn into politics at the age of 13 by the first Jimmy Carter campaign- and then basically became a believing secular liberal in my 20’s. My introduction and conversion to Catholicism came as I neared 30- in becoming Catholic I gave up previous beliefs on abortion et al- but there has always been two thoughts in my mind- first- the Republican establishment has always been like shifting sand on the issue of abortion since Reagan – lukewarm belief is never attractive as Jesus indicated in Revelation- and second- there has long been the hope that Catholic pro-life Democrats could lead the charge within the Democratic party to restore traditional moral beliefs on social issues- I took up that challenge since I figured I was well-placed as a lifelong Dem who became a Catholic convert- but identified more or less along the FDR-Democratic coalition lines- recall that American Catholics as a community tended the Democratic party way before social issues and the sexual revolution began destroying the Dems from within. Reagan was an FDR Democrat but said that the party moved away from him not the other way around.

    So- in any case- I never publicly supported any pro-choice candidates- and typically voted for third party/populist no-bodies to get around my conscience- and our hierarchy instructed us that we could not vote for a candidate because of his/her pro-choice position on abortion- but it was left open to conscience if there were other compelling reasons to vote for someone who was unfortunately pro-choice- since we are not to be single-issue voters. So- if one supposed that voting for a Republican candidate would bring on potentially nation-ending war or economic ruin and thus render the legal abortion question (in effect) moot in such an environment since no movement focused on a social issue would gain any traction during crisis times- well that would be a paradigm of thought whereupon someone with a Catholic conscience may have voted for a Democrat in some paticular national office like president.

    My own experience with being exposed to the really influential Catholic Democrats was one where I tried my best to evangelize for the orthodox teachings of the Church- to follow the Magisterium and the Bishops on all fronts and not to continue in a heterodox direction- but alas I was confronted by the truly powerful forces that drive those who have actual weight in Democratic party power politics these days- and I was asked to depart from my place of opinion sharing- and at that stage I openly left the Party and my role as a leader for florida Dems for Life- and became a NPA- non-party-affiliation- as Archbishop Chaput did according to what I read in his great book- Render Unto Caesar. So- stillbelieve- I don’t know what to apologize to you about- I think my personal history explains why I chose the paths I took- if the Church had clearly indicated that working from within the Democratic party to try to reform the party on social issues was an immoral choice- then I would have abandoned the effort years ago- I have given up on that front- but I have many good Catholic and Christian friends who are still battling from within and taking the abuse from the dominant sexual revolutionaries – I’m not of a mind to join you in heaping more abuse their way- but if this is how you interpret WWJD in your time on stage blogging then it is something that Jesus Christ will have to determine at the time of our personal judgments- and I look forward to my time with Him so that I can see where I missed His cues and promptings, or just was blind- so that I can apologize to anyone or any group of persons that I did wrong by. I am trying to “live clean” and I have been trying to follow the orthodox directives from Christ’s Church- my wish now is that the American Bishops will now make perfectly clear to all of us that taking public positions opposed to granting the right to life for the unborn, and protecting traditional marriage definitions, and respecting religious liberties- all make any candidate unfit for any Catholic to vote for or support in any capacity- and political leaders who call themselves Catholics who vote for any of the Big Three will have to forego reception of Holy Communion due to the scandal they are producing among law-abiding American citizens. That, I think, would clear up any confusion about the morality of our political choices- given the unusual extremity of our times. I still hope to be of service to our Church and to serve a strong Bishop and take guidance from him- but if you are correct and the Holy Spirit agrees then I will accept another role in my life’s work- at the end of the day I just want to be one of those ‘unprofitable servants’ in the eyes of the Lord- if digging ditches is my true talent then so be it- I will carry a shovel for Christ- that’s my heart-that is something I can know even if many who know little about me doubt it- those in my home know me and from them I draw the human consolation that helps keep one’s spirit from being taken away by the naysayers always to be found.

  • It is important to realise that, for professional politicians, party labels are largely a sham.

    In any democracy, they inevitably group themselves into two parties (or coalitions), the friends of corruption and the sowers of sedition; those who seek to profit from existing abuses and those who seek to profit from the disaffection those abuses naturally produce.

    The policies either faction espouses, primarily to attract funding, but also as a sop to the rabble, is a matter of chance and circumstance.

  • I don’t have much experience with bishops, but I would suggest two: Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs, CO and Archbishop Charles Chaput, currently Archbishop of Philadelphia (formerly of Denver, CO). Both have been a strong voice for authentic Catholic teaching and activism.