PopeWatch: Malta and Adoption

Thursday, January 2, AD 2014

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PopeWatch suspects that in 2014 Pope Francis will lose most of his new found leftist admirers.  The process is underway:

On the heels of a leading gay magazine naming Pope Francis its Person of the Year, the pontiff is reportedly “shocked” over a proposal to legalize adoption for same-sex couples in Malta.

Bishop Charles Scicluna of Malta condemned adoption by same-sex couples in his Christmas sermon, according to the Telegraph.

Thing is, Scicluna met Pope Francis on December 12 and told the Times of Malta: “We discussed many aspects… and when I raised the issue that’s worrying me as a bishop [the right for gay couples to adopt] he encouraged me to speak out.”

The Times of Malta said the Pope was “shocked” over the legislation; the Telegraph indicated that Bishop Scicluna’s sermon seemed delivered at Pope Francis’ prompting.

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15 Responses to PopeWatch: Malta and Adoption

  • Lukewarm is not a temp. favorable to Our Lord. Better to choose…and wisely at that.

  • I like Philip’s comment.

  • Why, in God’s good world, do you insist on using the g– word when referring to a putrid abomination? They are trashy perverts – for whom my Queen and I daily pray for.

    Chesterton opined “It’s neither gay nor a marriage.”

    Phil Ferguson, O.P./L

  • “Why, in God’s good world, do you insist on using the g– word when referring to a putrid abomination?”

    Battling over the use of the word “gay” in reference to homosexuals is a waste of time. I actually rather like the irony of the term because if there are less gay people, in the traditional sense of the word, than most gay activists tend to be, I have yet to encounter them.

  • I’m sorry if I sound cynical and critical of the Pope but, he’s shocked? Excuse me? How in the world could he be shocked? What does that say about his level of awareness of the world around him (outside of Argentina)? Or worse, was that statement of “shock” simply phony?

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  • Elizabeth,

    My hunch is that he is/was shocked that Malta. a tiny island but almost completely Catholic, that held out against Moslem invasion, is/was now succumbing to the relativitistic cultural dictatorship that so many other countries have already surrendered.

  • I think you are prob right about that Botolph that the key to “pontiff is reportedly “shocked” over a proposal to legalize adoption for same-sex couples in Malta.” is the last two words – in Malta.

  • Self-styling “American Catholics” (our more left-leaning fellow Catholics) will never be fully satisfied with our teachings on moral issues and questions pertaining to ecumenism. They give themselves away with the very use of the term “American Catholic(s).” On the other hand, it will greatly benefit the very few American conservatives belonging to the Church to remember the Church they sincerely want to support, has a lot more things on its mind, heart and plate to consider than the desires of a small elite.
    The left needs to develop the patience and thick skin it’ll need for the long haul and not to forsake all hope should it not get its way; and worse, use the pulpits of tenured academic leaders to sway much younger minds as a previous generation of like-minded powerfully positioned academics managed to pull off over Birth Control in ’68. The right needs to do likewise in spirit; and forevermore forsake the use of fiscal blackmail. The old feudal days are over. Finito.

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  • It is very shocking that Malta, nearly all Catholic, would want to legalise same-sex “marriage”. Doesn’t make sense.
    Its a slippery slope from here on.

  • Sorry- same-sex adoption. Worse!

  • Some liberals may interpret this green light on the part of Francis as a way to get Scicluna into hot water. The notion that all children have a right to the same kind of family that Jesus had is a pretty lame argument. Francis may not get as much egg on his face over this issue as one might expect.

    BTW, Phil Ferguson’s overt bigotry does not reflect well on his religion. It makes him seem like a hater extraordinaire. There are plenty of Catholics who would be shocked by such vitriol.

  • “The notion that all children have a right to the same kind of family that Jesus had is a pretty lame argument.”
    The notion that all children have a right to the same kind of family that Jesus had is the only argument. The innocent virgin at conception makes a mother of a woman and a father of a man. It is the duty of the state to protect and preserve virginity and innocence to deliver Justice. Gays cannot make family, nor mother nor father nor gaiety. What kind of state would deprive a child of a mother or a father?

MSNBC/NY Times Poll Alert: “Are Religious Rights Being Trampled on by Government?”

Thursday, December 29, AD 2011

Fr. Z says it best:

Perhaps other blogs will pick this up and help.

An article from the ultra-liberal New York Times (“Hell’s Bible”) is posted on the even more liberal MSNBC.

The article concerns the objections of the USCCB against pressure from the Obama Administration and/or states to force Catholic adoption agencies to allow homosexual “couples” to adopt.

You have to scroll down to the bottom of the MSNBC webpage to find the poll form.

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5 Responses to MSNBC/NY Times Poll Alert: “Are Religious Rights Being Trampled on by Government?”

  • Chris Matthews of MSNBC has blatantly stated that he wants to see Obama re-elected. They are obviously using this survey to find chinks in their secular armor, and to defend Obama’s policies.

  • For roughly half a century, it has been the right of the Adoption Agency to determine who is fit to be a parent, why is it that the government feels that that right must be changed now? Why can’t we say that homosexuals aren’t fit to be parents?

    I agree that this is a complete intrusion of the rights of religion. Thanks for the heads-up on the poll (when I voted, roughly 18,300 voted and it was a 49-49-2 split).

  • Not a very good poll design– I tried a different browser after I voted and it would have let me vote again.

  • Interesting. I just voted @ 9:30pm Eastern Time and the poll results were:
    18,148 votes and 49-49-2 split.

  • Interestingly, the article states that the Lutheran Church in Missouri is going to go ahead with referrals to gay couples. I read that the Lutheran Church membership is dwindling, and they’re looking to expand their membership. Herbert W. Chilstrom is former presiding bishop of Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Chilstrom has written an open letter to the Bishops of Minnesota asking them to accept gay ‘marriage’ because gays are like blacks or something (his words).

    Changing doctrine to accommodate members is a short-term solution. The one thing that make the Catholic Church strong is it’s unity, catholicity, apostolicity, and holiness. The Lutheran church is making itself weaker, not stronger by bending God’s word to accommodate its membership.

    Back in 2001, Dr. Robert Spitzer, a noted psychiatrist had reported that homosexuals who really want to be cured, can become heterosexual using a variety of techniques.

    “Contrary to conventional wisdom,” Spitzer concluded, “some highly motivated individuals, using a variety of change efforts, can make substantial change in multiple indicators of sexual orientation, and achieve good heterosexual functioning.” Spitzer looked at 200 homosexuals – 143 men and 57 women. To the researchers’ surprise, good heterosexual functioning was reportedly achieved by 67% of the men who had rarely or never felt any opposite-sex attraction before the change process.

    Here’s a link to Dr. Spitzer’s discussion of his work:

    http://www.narth.com/docs/spitzer2.html

    Incidentally, Dr. Spitzer was the lead on getting homosexuality removed from the DSM in the 1980s because it supposedly couldn’t be cured. They gay community raised him on a pedestal then. Now they want him to go away.

Steve Jobs: Thanks Mom For Not Aborting Me!

Sunday, November 27, AD 2011

 

A follow up to my post, which may be read here, regarding Steve Jobs, Adoption and  Abortion.  Pro-lifers have gotten some static for bringing up the fact that Steve Jobs could have ended up aborted if his mother had not chosen life for him.  Well, it appears that Steve Jobs was thankful that his mother did not choose to kill him through abortion.

“I wanted to meet [her] mostly to see if she was OK and to thank her, because I’m glad I didn’t end up as an abortion,” he said. “She was 23 and she went through a lot to have me.”

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  • We are all Gods creatures of his image. Steve Jobs as well as many other people thank God that they were not aborted. If a person doesn’t want to have a baby they should at the very least let the baby live. If we think about are parents are suppose to care and love us not kill us. If you look back in history there was a lot of famous people that would of never lived if their parents aborted them.

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  • “If a person doesn’t want to have a baby they should at the very least let the baby live.”

    Actually, if a person doesn’t want to have a baby, then that person must remain sexually abstinent. What are we? Wild baboons without sentience, given to the passing whims of the lust of the flesh that we cannot control our own bodies, and when we fornicate or commit adultery, we think we should be given a free pass for our lack of self-control?

    No sex outside of the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony. No adultery. No fornication. And while it doesn’t cause pregnancy, no homosexual behavior. God gave us brains and He expects us to use them.

Steve Jobs, Adoption and Abortion

Thursday, October 6, AD 2011

 

Steve Jobs died yesterday after a lengthy and heroic fight against the cancer that took his life at age 56.  His computer innovations and the company that he left behind him are fitting tributes to him.  May his soul rest in peace.

In his politics, although he shunned overt statements on politics, I assume that he was a Democrat due to his large political contributions to that party, which is somewhat ironic considering one event at the very beginning of his life.

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41 Responses to Steve Jobs, Adoption and Abortion

  • On the other hand, think of the countless number of useless jerks that would have been born otherwise. For every genius, there are a million idiots.

  • Way, way too cynical Joe, even for you. I have full exposure to full frontal jerkiness in my job, and people in that category I think do not exceed 10% of the population, and even those usually have some minor redeeming features. All of us are jerks and idiots on occasion, but most people spend most of their life making contributions to our world through their love and their work.

  • Don excellent article. Joe, time to man up. I have read some of your posts and while some seem thoughtful, others show what happens to someone with little faith. Maybe, I am taking this a bit more personal because my wife and I have a child we were blessed to receive through adoption. However, I would like to think that it isn’t too much to asked that everyone have the right to at least be born and become an idiot (or a genuis in Steve Jobs case.) The callous disregard for life in our society shows itself with remarks like yours.

    After fertility problems caused us to go the Natrual Family Planning route, we met with some experts on adoption. One person who had done a fair amount of research on the topic told us that before Roe v Wade there seemed to be a perfect balance between the number of young women who didn’t believe they were ready to raise a child and the number of married couples who couldn’t have children. It was God’s way to balance out the equation. As it stands now millions of parents in the US and the western world have to wait months and years to adopt, let alone the cost which prohibits many couples from even adoptiong one child let alone more. It wasn’t always that way Roe v Wade changed all of that. Joe everyone has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. In other words to be born and become an idiot, a genuis, or just another Joe or Jane trying to make the best out of life. You might want to ponder that point.

  • No baby is born hoping to be a “useless jerk.” Every baby deserves a chance to be born so they may have the opportunity to impact the world. Whether they have a positive impact or negative impact…or no impact (although I don’t think that’s possible)…is largely due to the people around them and their support system.

  • Useless jerks are made, not born.

    Anyway, as Gandalf might say, some who deserve life don’t get to live; others who don’t deserve to live get life – can you make the decision? (that’s a rhetorical question, obviously).

  • I meant to say “joke” rather than “jerk.” Yes, I’m the worst cynic, curmudgeonly, misanthropic (insert your favorite adjective here), but nearly 70 years on this planet has confirmed Lucretius’ words: “Had God made the world it would not be as flawed and faulty as it is.”

    Even if Don’s 10% figure is accurate (way too low, but accepted for the sake of argument). that would place the number of morons in the world currently at 600 million. I think 90% is far more accurate. And, yes, I include myself occasionally, Don. Point being that none of us is perfect, but some are less perfect than others. If “born gay” is ever scientifically proven and it appears that a “gay gene” is closer to being discovered, then God surely messed up somewhere in the creation business.

  • “If ‘born gay’ is ever scientifically proven and it appears that a ‘gay gene’ is closer to being discovered, then God surely messed up somewhere in the creation business.”

    Defective genes are not the result of a mistake on God’s part. Defective genes (such as those hypothetical ones that purportedly predispose one to alcoholism, drug addiction or homosexuality) are the result of original sin.

    “For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.” Romans 8:22.

    Now this doesn’t mean that a person is gay or alcoholic because of his parents’ or grandparents’ sin (Jesus talked about that error in thinking with His disciples). Rather, sickness, disease and death are the consequence of original sin.

  • Joe, to the students I taught and coached, I often used the line; “On your worst day 95% of the people in the world would trade places with you.” Often in my travels and in meeting people from the Third World they are often the happiest and most faith people I have ever met. In addition, they hunger for education and unlike those in the West, it doesn’t seem to hinder their strong faith life.

    Believe me Joe, I have met many people who struggle with their faith, but they perservere. I cannot grasp the idea of not perservering. I can’t fathom a boss at work, coach on the athletic field of competition, or a theater or film director saying; “I don’t understand any of this either, who cares” If they did they would certainly be fired because they have a job to do. We have a job to do on this earth to and that is to do our best to understand God and help others along the way. The minute we don’t do that, life probably begins to seem pointless. Incidentally, this seems to be a western problem. “Without a vision the people perish.” There is a better way and God can help you with it, but you have to be open to it, which may be hard because we all want control and understanding these things means we have to open ourselves to letting go and letting in God.

    I think there is a reason you come here Joe and I believe deep in your heart something is crying for the truth that you read in the posts by Don and others. Keep coming back and know that others are praying for you, people that you never met who know that while some may have given up on God, He has never given up on you.

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  • Dave, thanks, sincerely, for your comments. Yes, I keep coming back to TAC because a sliver of me still holds out hope that there is truly a purpose in this life other than to merely exist. Most of the time life seems without meaning. I cannot fathom the ways of God, if there is one, so I am limited by mortal intelligence, which even at its best is flawed. Every day I start off with a new slate but in a matter of hours, sometimes minutes, I am reminded that it is always a new day, and it is always the same old s–t.

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  • “sometimes minutes, I am reminded that it is always a new day, and it is always the same old s–t.”

    And our new chance to remedy some of it Joe. Life’s a struggle Joe, but there are victories as well as defeats. I do my best each day to live my life according to this advice by Teddy Roosevelt:

    “Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.”

  • Chesterton remarked that those who propose nostrums for others are mighty unwilling to take them themselves. Is Joe lamenting that he was not “aborted” [murdered]?

  • For Pete’s sake, Joe!

    Do you always “lose it” by 9AM?

    When I was that way, I would drink heavily. Yes, by 9AM . . .

  • Great post, one that I couldn’t wait to share with others to get them thinking about how things could’ve been if Jobs had been aborted. Also kudos to Dave for his pair of excellent comments.

    Speaking of abortion, I’ve seen this satirical article before and was tickled that Right to Life of Central California executive director Jonathan Keller mentioned it during his speech this morning as the featured speaker at the Right to Life of Kern County’s quarterly breakfast. As he aptly put it, this piece would be funny if not for it being so close to being a reality. http://www.theonion.com/articles/planned-parenthood-opens-8-billion-abortionplex,20476/

    Keller gave Obama credit for one thing: causing a backlash against his pro-abortion policies that he says has resulted in 80 laws being passed to restrict abortion at the state level. Here’s praying and hoping for a complete GOP takeover in 2012 that Keller says would do much to reset the button on the genocidal madness spawned by Roe v. Wade so that the world, as Mother Teresa pointed out, will no longer be mired in poverty and without peace.

  • Abortion is wrong because it kills human life, not because it kills a genius. Every life is worthy of living.

  • Well said, Jasper. That is why I turned down an opportunity to help a fellow Catholic who was tapped to organize the local March for Babies, which is associated with the March of Dimes. He thought raising money to aid premature babies would help the pro-life cause, but I did some research on March of Dimes and found reasons to decline the request.

    First, MOD has supported and offered pre-natal testing that lets the mother know whether the baby is at risk for Down syndrome, 92 percent of whom end up being aborted. Secondly, it supports embryonic stem cell research in finding ways to prevent birth defects; and thirdly, MOD hides the fact that abortion is among the risks of premature births, so it seems disingenuous for MOD to want to reduce premature births and yet won’t speak out against abortion’s link to them.

    Needless to say, the fellow says he feels like a complete idiot for not doing his due diligence before signing on to lead the walk. He now is going to do his own research into this before deciding whether to disassociate himself from the event.

  • It is probably true that abortion has eliminated a lot of potential losers, jerks, and criminals as well as many potential geniuses, saints, and just plain good hardworking people. You have probably heard the controversial theory that legalized abortion is the main reason why crime rates have dropped in the last 15-20 years. BUT, even if the “abortion reduces crime” theory is true, that still doesn’t make it right. After all, aren’t we supposed to presume that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and that it is better to let many guilty people go free than to punish or put to death even one innocent person? That’s a common argument you hear against the death penalty; I think it could also be used against abortion.

  • Elaine, in general you should take the findings of economists with a large grain of salt and in the particular case of freakonomists such as Steve Levitt just laugh them off, as they are vitiated by too many assumptions, special conditions, and downplaying of contrary evidence. For example, I hear that in the UK, people do not bother to report petty crime as the police would rather not do anything about it, due to lax judges and a reluctance to weigh down their backlog of unsolved cases . I am certain that if anyone wants to, he can find a correlation between the decline in drug use over the same period and the decline in crime, or the spread of zero-tolerance enforcement of the Guiliani style and the decline in crime.

    The objective level of violence has not decreased at all – it is displaced to areas that people would rather not think about, the abortion mills, the prisons, the violence done to the drug mules and other such marginals. The other day, I was watching Dirty Harry again and remember thinking how tame it all was.

  • Gabriel, et al:

    But better than both is he who has not yet been, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun. Job 3:10

  • Job 42

    1 Then Job replied to the LORD:
    2 “I know that you can do all things;
    no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
    3 You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’
    Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
    things too wonderful for me to know.

    4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
    I will question you,
    and you shall answer me.’
    5 My ears had heard of you
    but now my eyes have seen you.
    6 Therefore I despise myself
    and repent in dust and ashes.”

  • The objective level of violence has not decreased at all

    And you know this how?

  • I dunno; maybe Joe needs another cup of, well, joe, as in coffee, to help see the day as a gift it is.

    Dave, you are the best! I miss CAFETERIA CATHOLIC!

  • Mack – I agree!

  • As long as life is unfair – and this cannot be argued – I will not believe in God, who is the author of life. End story.

  • The scales are balanced in the next world Joe, and many of us will not like the fairness that results from the weighing. We cry for justice when what most of us really need is mercy.

    19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
    22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

    25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

    27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

    29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

    30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

    31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

  • Poor Joe!

    Life isn’t fair.

    Waaa!

    Life is hard.

    Boo hoo!

    And, then you die.

    But, Christ by His Life, Death and Resurrection has purchased for you the rewards of Eternal Life.

    Man up, Joe!

  • That’s quite enough of that T.Shaw. I will not have Joe mocked. He is searching for the the Truth and he has my prayers in his journey.

  • Joe, consider the stinging “Get thee behind me, Satan!” response that Peter got from Jesus when Peter thought it was unfair that Jesus would subject himself to the passion of the cross that was to come. You just need to realize, as Peter did, that God’s ways are not our ways.

  • What we don’t usually hear about are the cries of the mother, who is plagued with guilt for the rest of her life that she allowed someone to “kill her baby”. We all absolutely KNOW that life begins at conception…things that GROW are ALIVE! You don’t hear about the pain they carry with them the rest of thier lives. The babies are all safe in the arms of Jesus, but the mother, who chose abortion, longs with all of her heart to see that baby again…thinks about that baby on every one of it’s birthdays! And she CAN see that baby again someday. God made a way! We have a gracious and a mighty God, who is willing to forgive…yes, even for murder…he gave his ONLY SON to die for the likes of US!!! Let go of the doubting that there is a God. If the Bible is indeed wrong, you have nothing to lose by believing in it, and the God of it. If the Bible is right, then you have EVERYTHING to lose by rejecting it. There may be a lot of jerks and idiots in the world, but Jesus died for them too— The biggest fool is the one who rejects Christ, and ends up spending an eternity in Hell because “life is not fair”. Life was not fair for Jesus, but thank God He didn’t give up…thank God He saw far into the future, and knew that I would need a Saviour and loved ME so much that he died for me… died for the whole world…those that despised and rejected him. God is GOOD!!! And He did create this world! …and everyone in it… “God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

  • I don’t know that Steve Jobs’s political views are any more ironic than anyone else’s…we are all here because of decisions our biological parents made. If his biological parents hadn’t dated to begin with, hadn’t had sex before marriage, he wouldn’t have born…whether God or happenstance, that sort of argument can be made for all of us.

  • This article reveals a lot about Steve Jobs:

    http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs

    He used child labor in China. He ridiculed and belittled the people who worked for him. He had his own company security agents invade people’s homes, being paranoid secrets were being stolen. He exercised censorship at every opportunity while he proclaimed himself and his products as the herald of free speech. He refused to allow the Manhattan Declaration’s application to be hosted by Apple products because of their opposition to abortion and gay marriage. So beyond the fact that he was a genius at coming up with all these wondrous gadgets, exactly why is his life admirable? I would have been terrified to work for a ruthless and uncaring man like him who devalued the people around him so much.

  • Steve Jobs was not aborted because his mother had a choice. To portray this choice in such a way that implies women who choose abortion deprive the world of the potential success of the “future fetus” is a cheap shot. People develop based on their surroundings, we see this is both geniuses and serial killers. Statistics show that children born into drug situation are more likely to develop habits. To say that if an abortion did not happen, that fetus could have grown into a genus or a president is wishful thinking. It is just a way to twist situations, current or biblical, to fit fact-less claims. The life did not exist, a person did not exist, and it was for a reason.

  • Rubbish Kristina from first word to last word. Life exists from the moment of conception. Fortunately for Mr. Jobs abortion was illegal when his mother was contemplating what to do with the child in her womb, and thus it was highly unlikely that she was going to choose to kill him. Your attempt to justify the slaying of innocent human life is pathetic, and that term, “pathetic”, will be a fitting epitaph for the the pro-abort movement when it is one with Nineveh and Tyre. May you live to see that happy day.

  • Some apparently have not investigated the statistics of the reasons for abortion. 25 percent of all women having abortions say that they are not ready for a child; yet they and the men with whom they slept were all too ready to have sexual intercourse.

    23 percent claim that they cannot afford a child at the current time. Yet they and the men with whom they slept could afford to have sexual intercourse.

    19 percent claim that they have completed their child-bearing years, yet apparently they and the men with whom they slept have not completed their years of sexual intercourse.

    Eight percent claim they don’t want to be a single mother, yet without the sanctity of Holy Matrimony they and the men with whom they slept felt no qualms about engaging in sexual intercourse.

    Seven percent claim that they are not mature enough, yet they and the men with whom they slept were apparently mature enough to decide to engage in sexual intercourse.

    The bottom line is this: those who favor or otherwise seek to justify abortion want license without responsibility, sexual promiscuity without the consequences. And using drug addiction, lack of economic status, rape or incest as an excuse simply hides the facts: “I want my genitals titillated, but I don’t want to be responsible for the results.”

  • Surly when life begins is opinion, not yet proven by science (not that it would matter, religion seems to ignore scientific facts). Yet, people seem to associate one cell or a mass or cells with human life. They use it to judge other women. Which is humorous because controlling a woman’s right to her own body is just another way men aim to have complete control over women. Any woman who agrees to such an idea is just as pathetic as the men who cover up their Ill intentions with their “pro life” movement. Please, get the facts, and realize it’s pro choice not pro abortion.

  • No Kristina when life begins is a matter of fact not opinion. You wish to ignore that fact because you are a pro-abort and are all in favor of slaying the unborn if such is the desire of the mother. Preventing a woman from killing the child in her womb is no different than preventing a father or mother from slaying one of their kids outside of the womb.

  • religion seems to ignore scientific facts)

    Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you utter such a buffoonish statement? The people who ignore science are people like you who continue to cling to the cliche that the fetus is a clump of cells. Medical science continues to progress to the point that anyone who denies that the fetus is a living being is truly an ignoramus.

    because controlling a woman’s right to her own body is just another way men aim to have complete control over women.

    Did you just copy and paste from the book of “well-worn pro-abortion cliches?” I mean I know that the “Occupy X” protests have left-wingers in bleating like sheep mode, but this is pretty funny even by the usual standards. Anyway, what’s particularly hysterical about this particular statement is that it is the opposite of the truth. You see the widespread availability of abortion and contraception has actually made it easier for men to objectify women as nothing more than sex objects.

    And please, don’t lecture us about getting the facts straight when you can’t offer up an original insight.

  • Scientific facts.

    From the moment of conception the zygote/embryo/fetus/child has its very own unique DNA. Not its mother’s DNA and not its father’s DNA, but its very own. It is indeed a very unique life. The DNA doe not match that of a plant or a dog, it is of the same type that all humans have.

    This unique being has it’s very own life force – or soul, if you so choose. By that we mean as long as it is provided what it needs for life (appropriate food and environment, etc. like all other living things), it will continue to grow and develop. This is why you can have “test tube babies” or extract a child before the full gestational period and the child will continue to grow and develop – all as a very unique individual person.

    Frankly you have to be incredibly ignorant or simply dishonest to claim that it is unknown to science when life begins.

  • I do agree that women have a right to control their own bodies just as men have the right to control their own bodies. I submit that the failure of BOTH to control their own bodies leads inexorably to unwanted pregnancy.

    This is very simple. The right to choose comes BEFORE sexual intercourse, NEVER afterwards. The liberal Democrats claim to revere science and reason, yet when it comes to the titillation of their genitals, rational self-control and mastery of their own passions are thrown out the window. Furthermore, they would have us believe that their views are scientific when demonstrably their behavior is not.

    Man is created in the image and likeness of God Almighty, and as such God expects man to use reason, objectivity and self-control in thinking and behaving. Rutting like a baboon in heat and then claiming “I have a right to control my body” is clearly oxymoronic. The person making the claim never controlled his or her body in the first place, and so murder is the result.

  • The morning after Steve Jobs passed, the wise and venerable Tom Brocaw commented on the Today Show that “secularly speaking, Steve Jobs was the spiritual leader of our time”. If that’s true, many of us are guilty of heresy and subject to having our iPhones ex-communicated.

The President Should Consider Adopting a Haitian Orphan

Friday, January 29, AD 2010

Watching the wrenching news from Haita has been tough but necessary viewing.  I couldn’t help but notice a lot of stories of Christian missions rescuing Haitian orphans to bring them to adoptive parents here in the U.S. I also noticed that the Christian adoptive parents crossed over any racial dividing lines and were intensely bonded to these suffering children. In the Christian universe there truly is no more black or white, male or female, in the arena of human dignity.

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12 Responses to The President Should Consider Adopting a Haitian Orphan

  • It’s an interesting idea, but I question whether the president has the time necessary for such an endeavor. As you say, young boys need fathers, and presidents don’t necessarily have the time in today’s world that Teddy Roosevelt had 100 years ago to drop everything for pillowfights with their sons. It’s one thing clearly if you get pregnant-then you find ways to make it work; it’s another to seek out the challenge.

    Biden, on the other hand (if he weren’t so old).

  • Why would you wish being a political prop onto a poor orphaned babe?

  • You say, “I know that embracing true fatherhood can change and deepen a person”. Well, President Obama is a father and he has always testified to the fact that it “changed” and “deepened” him as a person, so I’m not sure exactly what your point is. Maybe it would be better for some of those who talk about adoption rather than abortion, many with no children of their own, to start walking the walk – become foster parents, become adoptive parents – in other words, do what they tell others to do.

    As for your final thought – that the President and his wife need conversion. YOU THINK that the President and his wife need conversion, but because YOU THINK THAT doesn’t make it true.

  • This is kind of a weird suggestion, Tim. It’s normally considered rude or inappropriate to tell someone else that they should adopt a child. I don’t see why that general rule should be modified because of a person’s job title.

  • Haiti already lost many of her children. She does not need to lose more to adoption in foreign countries.
    It might be more useful to help the orphanages and schools.

  • Presidents get all kinds of advice because they hold an office that should be dear to all citizens- we want leaders who embody ideals, not mere public policy wonks- it is part of our incarnational reality- we want to see our leaders as heroic individuals doing good and decent things. Of course, it is all too much for anyone to fully embody, and so we compromise our ideals here and there. I don’t why suggesting something ideal out of our national leader should be out-of-line, or even out-of-the-ordinary. If I was in his sandals, I would be dynamically pro-life, and I would use my station in life to offer such a home to such an orphan in need at this particular time. The fact that Obama embodies a racial identity that offered up an attractive symbolism for many Americans plays into this provocative suggestion as well.

  • Haiti already lost many of her children. She does not need to lose more to adoption in foreign countries.

    Haiti isn’t a person, and talking as if it was is only going to lead to confusion.

  • Tim Shipe,

    Nothing in your response really addresses why it is ok to make a suggestion to the president *specifically to do something so intensely personal and familial*. Just because you think you would do something as president doesn’t mean it is appropriate for you to suggest that someone else should do that as president. As president, his family is still his family, not ours.

    Further, if the president did choose to adopt a child, it should absolutely not be because of any of the reasons of sociopolitical symbolism you suggest. It should be because he is a father, not because he is the president, and thus should come out of his sense that this is right for him and his family. That is something which we cannot possibly know, and on which I do not think it is appropriate for us to speculate.

  • As for the post itself, I agree with John Henry. It’s not really appropriate to tell someone they should adopt a child, and frankly I find the idea of adopting as a political act repugnant.

  • I didn’t suggest doing this as a mere political act, but if one is a political leader then pretty much everything you do in the open becomes part political act- just as in the case of Christian discipleship you can’t separate your actions from your public witness- your life witness speaks volumes regarding your life in the Spirit.

    As for Obama not having time to raise up a proper little man- well he has a home office, his wife is a stay at-home mom, he may be out of office 3 years and have a lot more time to spend at home with a lot of income to provide for many children- I suppose that his wife is out of bounds for any more biological children- so why not adoption, and why not Haiti? I’m not getting why this suggestion is drawing negative reactions- it isn’t typical of the kind of ordinary political chit chat and I know people love to just hate on Obama or worship his every step- so I suppose my thinking outside the box isn’t going to appeal to the normative political animal of the left or right-

  • I’m not getting why this suggestion is drawing negative reactions-

    Because it’s a deeply personal and frankly rude suggestion that is also impractical. Frankly I’m not getting how you could possibly think anyone would back you.

    so I suppose my thinking outside the box isn’t going to appeal to the normative political animal of the left or right-

    It’s not outside the box. It is just silly.

  • I don’t mean to take this off topic, but I have to respond to Linda b/c I am absolutely SICK of the argument that those who argue against abortion should adopt. Most people would take an infant or toddler instantly – no questions asked. Observe the frenzy that ensued when people heard that Haitian orphans would be put up for adoption in the US. The waiting list to adopt young children(of any race and even with physical handicaps) is unbelievable. It’s a myth that you only wait for long periods of time if you’re picky about race or health. So I guarantee that any child saved from abortion would be adopted instantly and indeed would have multiple loving homes competing for the privilege of welcoming that child. It’s very true that many older children are waiting in foster care and those children often have unique challenges that require a very special family. That is a separate problem. But the myth of all these young children put up for adoption, languishing in limbo b/c pro-life people don’t “walk the walk” is false and ludicrous.