And the Argentinian Pope is cheering the process on at the death bed. Ironic that a continent which survived two world wars and the outbreak of two of most destructive ideologies in the History of Man is succumbing to the multicultural rubbish of our time. However, education is a powerful force, and since circa 1965 more than two generations of Europeans have been taught to despise their cultures, their religions and their nations. The result is the current slow motion death of the welfare states of Europe as the rulers of Europe call on the Islamic populations of Africa and the Middle East to supply the work force that Europeans refuse to create through procreation. I have often thought that God has a superb sense of humor, and that humor is sometimes displayed when He allows peoples to solely take the wheels of their own destinies for a while.
The motto of our times: Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
Ten years ago my neighbor and I were discussing the Islamification of Europe and America, a psychiatrist and not religious he was correctly concerned about Islam.
I told him not to worry, that whatever happens will happen in Europe first. America will recognize the problem, and our free speech will be the bulwark that prevents Islamification in America.
I never imagined the Pope would aid Islamification in Europe.
I never imagined that Donald Trump (!) would be pivotal in stopping it here.
Sadly, I’ve seen so many clerics here in America have the same immigration obsession. Cloaked in “Mercy” they don’t realize the division and death that is being imported.
“Swept Under The Rug” File: “Since 2012, hundreds of people have died in a series of terrorist attacks across France featuring explosives, firearms and vehicular ramming.”
Some of it is misplaced mercy.
Some of it is “I hate Europe/America.”
Thank God, America survived eight years of fundamental transformation: the left’s velvet-glove (over an iron fist) attempt to wreck America and our way of life. Apparently, the left believes America’s massive problems are too many Americans.
Catholic violence drove Satan out of heaven. Catholic violence drove Islam from Vienna. Catholic violence drove the Muslims away at Lepanto. Catholic violence will drive Islam violence away from the Vatican. Armed forces armed with Catholic truth will again fight and destroy Islam.
Could be, Mary De Voe, but we need a new pope with the ideals of P Pius V and a completely new cardinalate and episcopacy. That is where the rot is most pervasive
“…and a completely new cardinalate and episcopacy. That is where the rot is most pervasive.”
I second that.
Mark Steyn more than five years ago saw the beginnings of the decline of Europe in the non-sustainable birth rate, much less than the 2.0 required to keep a population not composed of geriatrics. And what might this low birth-rate be due to? The obvious answer is contraception and abortion. Unfortunately the birth rate figures are much higher for the Muslim immigrants. They don’t need terrorism actually to win; population force will take longer for Islam to conquer Europe, but it is much surer.
Bob Kurland Ph.D wrote, “And what might this low birth-rate be due to? The obvious answer is contraception and abortion.”
A plausible explanation, certainly. But then, how do we explain the remarkable difference between the French birth rate and those of Germany and Britain, between 1871 and 1911, when the French birth rate grew by a mere 8.6%, while Britain’s grew by 54% and Germany’s by 60% in the same period?
Nor was that a mere blip. In 1821, France’s population was 30.46 m, in 1851, it was 35.78 m in 1911, it was 39.60 m. By contrast, in 1801, the British population was 10.5 m, in 1851, it was 27.37 m and in 1911, it was 42.08 m; this despite the fact that Britain had a much higher level of outward migration, especially to the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. In other words, the French population increased by about one-third and the British population quadrupled over the same period.
“Could be, Mary De Voe, but we need a new pope with the ideals of P Pius V and a completely new cardinalate and episcopacy. That is where the rot is most pervasive”
Pope Francis has made himself irrelevant. Whether he goes or he stays makes no difference. The Catholic Church belongs to all people for all ages.
I try diligently to say “the man currently wearing papal white,” I do not believe he is a pope.I also try to uniformly say “You can believe Jorge Bergoglio or you can believe God, but not both. And you believe Jorge at your peril, and the peril is eternal.” Guy McClung, Texas
Unfortunately the birth rate figures are much higher for the Muslim immigrants.
But not for their children, for what it’s worth. (Part of why there’s the fashion to ship the girls “back home” for a husband.)
Similar pattern happens here, and then there’s the artificial bump of at-least-claim-to-be-illegal women who are using fake identities to avoid the hospital bills.
Foxfier wrote, “But not for their children, for what it’s worth.”
And not in their home countries either. Of the Muslim majority countries in Europe, Bosnia & Herzegovina has one of the lowest Total Fertility Rates in the world at 1.28 per woman (the replacement level is 2.1). Albania’s is 1.51 and Turkey, at 2.03 is just below replacement.
Outside Europe, Iran has a Total Fertility Rate of 1.71. Azerbaijan (1.90) Turkmenistan (2.08) and Uzbekistan (1.78) are all below replacement.
In the Maghreb, Tunisia has a TFR below replacement at 1.98, as does Libya (2.04). Morocco at 2.2 is just above it and Algeria’s 2.74 is well above replacement, but down from over 5 in the 1960s
Islam may promote population explosions but, apparently, Muslim women are not listening.
Low Birth-Rate is not (obviously) due to contraception and abortion; those are merely tools. LBR, and the unsustainable future resulting from it, is the direct result of the Sexual Revolution. It’s about a change in attitudes toward sex. Free love has replaced the practice associated with the traditional family model of life, simply for the sake of feeling good sexually. Our first responsibility as human beings is –as it always has and still should be– to the procreation of the species; and doing so under the right proper/moral conditions. That cannot happen when the focus is first, foremost, and/or solely on orgasmic response. Be that as it may, LBR is a problem for the future… …and much of it has to do with Infertility. Maybe The Church should start taking a serious look at what that’s doing to The Family, and be more open to other methods of conception outside of the traditional sexual union. Infertility is a growing problem in the world, and there are literally millions of infertile couples who are unable (not allowed) to have children, but who otherwise could contribute to, and raise, birth rate statistics. The Church is slow to change, and that’s for good reason. I too agree when it teaches that dignity is best respected when the beautiful sexual union of two people conceives a child. But that does not mean either of those factors is completely absent when a human being is created in a “lab.” Science is a gift from God, and can be relied upon with dignity and respect if used responsibly and not abused. Our future just may depend on it. If we wait too long to realize that, it will be too late.
hmm, Michael and Foxfier…interesting statistics, that belie what I’ve read elsewhere. Are my source 20 years out of date? And as for the difference between French/German/English birth rates between 1871 and 1911, the only difference I can think of is industrialization. Did the Industrial Revolution hit France as much as England and Germany? And certainly the birth rate statistics apply to Spain, Italy and (up to several years ago) Russia. And interesting statistics about differences in Muslim birthrates. Maybe there’s hope for a Western Europe.
Bob Kurland Ph.D asked, “Did the Industrial Revolution hit France as much as England and Germany?”
No. Britain was a great commercial and industrial power and Germany caught up very rapidly. France remained an essentially peasant economy until the endof the 19th century and into the 20th.
Now, one theory is this: industrial workers reached the height of their earning potential in their early 20s and they tended to marry young. Artisans and professional men tended to marry later, when they had built up their businesses, but usually married younger women.
In France, the Code Napoléon enforced equal division of the family property (biens de famille) between all the children of the family. Men often postponed marriage, until they had inherited their share of the family property in their 30s or 40s and (this is the important thing) they married women who had done so, too.
No. Britain was a great commercial and industrial power and Germany caught up very rapidly. France remained an essentially peasant economy until the end of the 19th century and into the 20th.
Dr. Kurland, if you’ll consult monographs by economic historians you’ll discover their general characterization of the course of industrial development as follows: Britain first, the Flemish and Walloon territories second, France third. The Maddison Project has published their latest revision to their estimates of historical per capita output. In their reckoning, per capita output in the German states did not exceed that in France until about 1884. Over the period running from 1884 to 1914, the German advantage varied from year to year, but was generally on the order of 8%. Assessed over the period running from 1884 to the present, the advantage has typically been 6%. It’s only in the last 25 years that the German states have had a double-digit advantage (typically 13% over that time period).
At Fatima, Our Lady prophesied that Satan would be given free reign at the end of the century and that Satan would be chained and sent back to hell in the first part of the 21st century. Atheism is declared a religion, that is, the worship of God in thought, word and deed in peaceable assembly; pornography, the lie about human nature, is declared free speech; abortion the scraping of the human being, body and soul from the womb is legalized; same sex marriage as sodomy is legalized. Sodomy is perjury by calling sodomy a marriage without the marital act; transgenderism is the neutering of the human body with the lie that human beings can be transgendered. The human body is aborted, sterilized and drugged against the informed consent of the sovereign person.
Xray therapy, DES, thalidomide and now sex change (See: Walter Heyer) are all experimental and people are being used as guinea pigs and practiced upon for the non-existent benefits, to be destroyed as the children of God.
It is the practice of medicine. Only God heals.
hmm, Michael and Foxfier…interesting statistics, that belie what I’ve read elsewhere. Are my source 20 years out of date?
Some of them may be, but that gets combined with the UN only very recently– as in the last year or so– stopped using two known-bad sources, the birth rates that were given by countries when applying for humanitarian aid and the numbers based on asking guys in the street how many kids they had; the number of children is a sign of how masculine you are– it’s like when they tried to map STD outbreaks by asking guys, in class, if they were virgins, but without any down side to lying, and the possibility of actual physical harm if you don’t have an impressive enough number of offspring.
For American “immigrant” birth rates…you can very easily see a correlation between the illegal immigrant level and both “teen births” and really high immigrant birth rates. When our daughter was born in Spokane, I chatted with the nurses, and they mentioned that the last six births had been to known-false identities. Claiming to be under 18 makes it even harder for them to keep track of you for there being any kind of payment for the birth. I am not sure if the Canadian lady who was having twins and flew over to use the incubators was the non-fraud birth before that, but I think she was.
False identities used by not-legally-recorded folks totally play havoc with statistics.
I have heard second-hand from folks who talk to ladies inside of Islamic countries that part of the reduction in their birth rate is that they’ve learned various NFP techniques.
I am under the impression Austrian School economic theories are not popular in Catholic circles, but this article resonated with me when I first read in many years ago.
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https://mises.org/library/making-kids-worthless-social-securitys-contribution-fertility-crisis
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I also remember many years ago, I think it was during the Reagan years that it was noted that public schooling tended to push down birth rates and those fighting The Population Controlers were using this line of reasoning to fund schools in Africa as oppose to contraception/abortion. (I may remember wrong.) In the book There is No Place Like Work, by Brian Roberton, he notes that homeschooling families are frequently larger than public school families, and an economist would note that the mother’s “value” actually increases when she has another. I do not believe any one consciously thinks this when making the decision to have another baby (or not), but I imagine there are a lot of circumstances, big and little, that influence us of which we are not aware.
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I am under the impression Austrian School economic theories are not popular in Catholic circles, but this article resonated with me when I first read in many years ago.
They’re not popular among economists either, including many libertarians.
Art Deco, re the last 25 years – Germany being more productive is because of unification. Was East Germany counted in with West Germany for production statistics prior to unification? Immediate aftermath of losing WW l and WW ll with factories destroyed and so many males KIA must have influenced production stats.
DJH
The problem with any economic theory is the complexity of causes operating.
To say of two any events that “If C occurs, then E will follow” is always subject to the qualification, “If C occurs, then, unless c1, or c2 or c3… occurs…”
Bertrand Russell notes that “The principle ‘same cause, same effect’ … is … utterly otiose. As soon as the antecedents have been given sufficiently fully to enable the consequent to be calculated with some exactitude, the antecedents have become so complicated that it is very unlikely they will ever recur.”
In other words, by the time you pack enough material into C to guarantee that E will follow, C is so complex that we cannot reasonably expect it to occur more than once. But any C that occurs only once will inevitably be succeeded by any E that just happens to occur on that occasion.
This is not to say we cannot find regularities or patterns of functional (not necessarily causal) dependence, but these are not general, exceptionless laws and we should not mistake them for such.
Art Deco, re the last 25 years – Germany being more productive is because of unification. Was East Germany counted in with West Germany for production statistics prior to unification? Immediate aftermath of losing WW l and WW ll with factories destroyed and so many males KIA must have influenced production stats.
The current iteration of Maddison Project statistics treats the German states as a unit for the period running from 1945 to 1990 (excluding Austria).
Bertrand Russell notes that “The principle ‘same cause, same effect’ … is … utterly otiose. As soon as the antecedents have been given sufficiently fully to enable the consequent to be calculated with some exactitude, the antecedents have become so complicated that it is very unlikely they will ever recur.”
OK, Bertrand Russell was unfamiliar with econometrics. This is of interest just why?
DJH-
From inside a home schooling family, I would suspect that the being larger thing has less to do with the mother’s “value” and more to do with…well, if your kids go to public school, you just get them somewhat taught and then they’re gone. And especially recently, you get them back at the end of the day rather poorly taught, if what you taught them isn’t flatly destroyed.
In contrast, if you homeschool, you get to see some of the fruit of your effort- the kid that was doing ABCs goes on to reading goes on to liking reading; the kid that was stacking blocks moves on to legoes goes into figuring gout actual design to keep siblings from knocking stuff down. You can also not have as much wasted time if the kids are closer together– and women are frequently told to not even think about a second kid until the older one is in school.
Homeschoolers are also more likely to be willing to go against what they’re “expected” to do.
Similar sort of thing goes with social security– if you space things out too much, then the cost keeps going up. I don’t have to buy new kid clothes because when they get too small on one, the next one they’re just a liiitttle too big for, so they get handed down. Social security combined with everyone expected to be in the work-force, especially as a college educated person, you’re spending a LOT of money on Social Security and you don’t have as much left for actually raising kids.
I stay at home because we worked it out and if I did work, the “extra” would be eaten up by taxes and expenses, back when we only had one kid.
Most women aren’t as willing to tell the “you need a career” folks to go piss up a rope, though.
Foxfier-You go girl! Rage, rage against the dying of the light! “I shall never surrender or retreat, Victory or Death” [Wm Barrett Travis from the Alamo,1836]. You would have made[if you aren’t one] one great Texian. This is why I add “Texas.”
Guy Mcclung, Texas
Guy-
Thank you.
My dear husband moved us down here (El Paso) last year. Because there was a job for him, and it got us out Seattle, but I have run into a refreshing number of people who just roll with the idea that yes, I am a stay-at-home, even after they figure out that I’m intelligent enough to explain a dire lack of common sense. Although I did get to startle my pregnancy doctor when it came up that I’d had a clearance in the military. ^.^
Things are not as bad as they look, the folks who are going against the “flow” are just more likely to not pick fights, I think.
Common sense and reality always win in the long term. Foxfier, my bride who has two advanced degrees stayed home with the kids. Although we sent our kids to the local public school, she also conducted Mommy School with them after school. I think that extra instruction has served them in good stead in college, law school and grad school. My wallet benefited from the scholarships they earned. I always told my bride that I worked at the law mines so that she could do the really important work with the kids at home. Now she also works with me at the law mines as do our two kids: my son permanently as an attorney, and my daughter temporarily for the summer. Their keen minds and quick wits are a tribute to their mother’s instruction.
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It’s really sad to see all this hateful fear mongering going on. Most Muslims, like every other immigrant group, begin to assimilate by the first native born generation. We have six million Muslims in the US. When was the last time you heard of an American born Muslim engaging in an act of terrorism in our. country? Slim to none. Higher rates of poverty and lack of opportunities have made it harder for the current wave of immigrants to adapt, but most still (overwhelmingly) not only accept but embrace the culture of the country around them. If they wanted what they had back home, they never would have left to begin with. I have no doubt which side Jesus would be on if He were around today. It’s shameful how much we have forgotten the instruction of “welcoming the stranger.”
When was the last time you heard of an American born Muslim engaging in an act of terrorism in our. country?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rizwan_Farook_and_Tashfeen_Malik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Merced_stabbing_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mateen
It’s really sad to see all this hateful fear mongering going on. Most Muslims, like every other immigrant group, begin to assimilate by the first native born generation. We have six million Muslims in the US.
No, about 3 million
Higher rates of poverty and lack of opportunities have made it harder for the current wave of immigrants to adapt
There is very little ‘poverty’ in this country as the term would be understood in a place like Pakistan (or in the United States as it was the year my father was born). There is insecurity, but that is not unknown in the Muslim world either.
The largest barrier to ‘opportunity’ is the use of higher education to sort the labor market. If anyone owns that situation, it’s the same crew of people who cannot tell the difference between a country and a vast social work operation.
but most still (overwhelmingly) not only accept but embrace the culture of the country around them. I
Survey research on British Muslims demonstrates that to not be the case. Don’t know why we would expect things to be any different here.