Monday, March 18, AD 2024 10:35pm

New California

Time for a new Bear Flag Revolt!

 

 

I can see how this would tie in with Calexit.  A joke now, it may become less of a joke as time goes on, especially if Trump wins re-election in 2020.

 

Or perhaps much sooner.  We already have the Attorney General of California, the thuggish Xavier Becerra, threatening criminal prosecution of employers if they comply with Federal law on immigration.  Let that sink in.  A State is threatening to throw people in jail if they comply with Federal law.

 

 

Somewhere John Calhoun is smiling.

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Clinton
Clinton
Sunday, January 21, AD 2018 8:32pm

I’ll be interested to see how the state’s massive public debt would
be addressed if the state were to split up. When Brown first came to
office, he famously declared that the state faced a “wall of debt” of
$26.2 billion– roughly 10% of the state’s annual revenues. Taxes
were raised to address that crisis, but recently auditors found that the
state’s fiscal liabilities actually total over $443 billion. Oops.

So, if the state were to divide, how will the massive debt be split up?

Mary De Voe
Sunday, January 21, AD 2018 8:44pm

Article 4 section 3 of the Constitution deals with secession. No secession without Congressional approval and the approval of the state legislature. The 443 billion dollar debt may be concocted to force Congress to let them secede. Puerto Rico voted against statehood. Hawaii voted for statehood. How will California vote, if they are allowed to vote?

Mary De Voe
Sunday, January 21, AD 2018 8:46pm

When Jefferson Davis tried to secede, we had a Civil War.

ExNOAAman
ExNOAAman
Sunday, January 21, AD 2018 9:24pm

Jeff Davis tried to pay the Feds for their lawful properties. Rumor is that Lincoln refused to meet with him.
Of course, it would be less than 443 billion.
Investors might be willing to take a chance on that debt. Trumpenomics and all.

Michael Dowd
Michael Dowd
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 3:19am

Hmmmm.. Maybe Trump should put the entire State of California under Federal control? Or maybe cut Federal funding? California succession is something that ain’t going to happen. They would be crazy to do it. But, wait, they are crazy.

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 3:34am

I say eject the Californicators from the Union. Let them go on their own. And cut the electric lines that go to them as well. Let them fill up on the due reward for having shutdown the reactors at San Onofre and Rancho Seco and now Diablo Canyon. No power from Palo Verde for them – it’s in a different state. Let them survive by useless worthless twirling blades and shiny mirrors while wearing their tin foil hats. In fact, the whole left coast – the Soviet Socialist People’s Republiks of Oregon and Washington – should follow them.

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 4:11am

By no means do I wish for the death’s of thousands however I find the map very interesting that the fault lines are running parallel somewhat to the cut out.
A secession of sorts.

T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 7:00am

The latest insanity oozing from CA legislatures is to increase state income taxes on CA corporations at the amounts of their Federal income tax decreases. I’d love to see how that works out.

Ronald Reagan was CA governor. Now, they have a moon bat governor and a legislature that, in session, refutes Darwin’s Theory of Evolution.

Re-electing Donald J. Trump could result in CA seceding. It would be reason number 198 to vote Trump in 2020.

Trump 2020!

Bob Kurland, Ph.D.
Admin
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 7:18am

There was a proposal–didn’t make the initiative ballot–to divide California into 6 states (a more logical division than that shown on the map above). See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias

Foxfier
Admin
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 8:29am

As the debt was acquired on the argument of population, I’d say split it by population of each area.

Depending on how nasty I’m feeling, either all citizens, or what the census says live there. *glares at various California cities that have hundreds supposedly in single-bedroom houses*

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 8:33am

Not just 1, let’s split it up into 6 parts.
http://www.sixcalifornias.com/

“Why not?” seems to be the question nobody can answer.

Mary De Voe
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 9:25am

not without Congressional approval.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 9:54am

There was a proposal–didn’t make the initiative ballot–to divide California into 6 states (a more logical division than that shown on the map above). See

Restructuring the state as a confederation with scant central authority wouldn’t require any sort of congressional approval or induce resistance derived from any increase in Senate seats allocated to the territory in question. You have a number of bulbous states and states composed of incongruous parts for which this might address political problems. See Texas, Florida, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, Arizona &c.

Bob Kurland, Ph.D.
Admin
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 12:11pm

Art Deco, Confederation within a state is a great idea! Pennsylvania would be another good example. And I can think of 11 reasons why it will never happen. Here’s one: in Pennsylvania taxes from the Alabama part (between Pittsburgh and Philly) go to support the inner cities in Phlly and Pgh. The ruling power structure would never let that not happen.

Mary De Voe
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 12:16pm

Article 4 section 3 : “New States may be admitted by the Congress into the Union; but no new state shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State, nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more states, or Parts of States, without the consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.” (like California

Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 5:03pm

Bob re Pennsylvania…..not really. I don’t know how long you have been in Pennsylvania. I was born here, left when I was one and returned when I was 31. I have had family in Western Pennsylvania for 100 + years.
Central Pennsylvania doesn’t support either Pittsburgh or Philadelphia.

There has been a long term shift in Western Pennsylvania counties other than Allegheny away from the Democrats. Conversely, the Philly burbs used to be Rockefeller Republicans until Bill Clinton flipped them.

Most of Pennsylvania would love to be rid of Philadelphia. A preponderance of violent crime and inmates come from Philadelphia, as well as political corruption.

The map breaking California into two is a great idea.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, January 22, AD 2018 6:26pm

Here’s one: in Pennsylvania taxes from the Alabama part (between Pittsburgh and Philly) go to support the inner cities in Phlly and Pgh.

That would be extraordinary if true. Personal income per capita as a % of the state mean in Pennsylvania is as follows:

Chester : 148.4 %
Montgomery : 143.4 %
Bucks : 129.9 %
Delaware : 117.4 %
Allegheny : 108 %
Washington : 104.1 %
Butler : 103.9 %
Montour : 102.2 %
Philadelphia : 101.8 %
Cumberland : 101.3 %
Lehigh : 96.2 %
Northampton : 95.9 %
Dauphin : 94.3 %
Westmoreland : 92.8 %
York : 90.5 %
Adams : 90.4 %
Lancaster : 90.3 %
Berks : 90.2 %
Carbon : 89.9 %
Elk : 88.2 %
Cameron : 86.5 %
Beaver : 86 %
Lackawanna : 86 %
Lebanon : 85.9 %
Greene : 83.9 %
Pike : 83.4 %
Franklin : 83.3 %
Luzerne : 82.4 %
Blair : 82.3 %
Wyoming : 82 %
Centre : 80.9 %
Erie : 80.3 %
Susquehanna : 80.3 %
Perry : 80 %
Armstrong : 79.9 %
Schuylkill : 79.5 %
Clearfield : 79.4 %
Lycoming : 79.2 %
Sullivan : 79.2 %
Lawrence : 79 %
Warren : 78.1 %
McKean : 77.7 %
Cambria : 77.5 %
Bradford : 77.3 %
Monroe : 77.1 %
Fayette : 76.8 %
Wayne : 76.8 %
Mercer : 76.6 %
Northumberland : 76.4 %
Juniata : 76.3 %
Columbia : 76.2 %
Snyder : 75.4 %
Jefferson : 75.3 %
Venango : 75.2 %
Bedford : 74.6 %
Clarion : 74.1 %
Somerset : 73.4 %
Huntingdon : 73.1 %
Fulton : 73 %
Crawford : 72.9 %
Tioga : 71.9 %
Potter : 71.6 %
Union : 71.4 %
Clinton : 71.3 %
Mifflin : 70.4 %
Indiana : 69.9 %
Forest : 48.6 %

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