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PopeWatch: Yet Another In Flight Interview

 

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The Pope gave another inflight interview on his flight back from Armenia, and it is a doozy.  We will be examining it piece by piece this week.  Go here to read the text of the interview.  First up apologizing to gays:

Cindy Wooden, CNS: Holiness, within the past few days Cardinal Marx, the German, speaking at a large conference in Dublin which is very important on the Church in the modern world, said that the Catholic Church must ask forgiveness to the gay community for having marginalized these people. In the days following the shooting in Orlando, many have said that the Christian community had something to do with this hate toward these people. What do you think?

Pope Francis: I will repeat what I said on my first trip. I repeat what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: that they must not be discriminated against, that they must be respected and accompanied pastorally. One can condemn, but not for theological reasons, but for reasons of political behavior…Certain manifestations are a bit too offensive for others, no? … But these are things that have nothing to do with the problem. The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge? And we must accompany them well…this is what the catechism says, a clear catechism. Then there are traditions in some countries, in some cultures that have a different mentality on this problem. I think that the Church must not only ask forgiveness – like that “Marxist Cardinal” said (laughs) – must not only ask forgiveness to the gay person who is offended. But she must ask forgiveness to the poor too, to women who are exploited, to children who are exploited for labor. She must ask forgiveness for having blessed so many weapons.

PopeWatch thinks the Pope here was trying some fancy foot work to get out of a question he did not want to answer directly and, predictably, fell flat on his face.  He attempted to draw distinctions between homosexual orientation and “political behavior” and  “offensive manifestations” that could be condemned.  Then he assumed that the gays under discussion were seeking God and referenced his “who are we to judge” statement.  Finally he said the Church must ask forgiveness of gays, the poor, exploited women, exploited children and for blessing weapons.  Under pressure the Pope falls back on the leftist stereotypes that seem to be the main things rattling around his skull.  What is a faithful Catholic to make of all this?  That The Lutheran Satire was being too kind to “Frank, the Hippie Pope.”

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Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 3:57am

Jorge Bergoglio is not my Pope just as Barack Obama is not my President.

bill bannon
bill bannon
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 5:34am

Lucius,
If he were to say something ex cathedra, we both must heed him or perish. But …I suspect he’ll never write something ex cathedra. He has the most confused unscriptural mind I’ve seen in years in a famous public Catholic.
Most of the Bible is about the goodness of God but a substantial portion is about the severity of God. There is no way he believes in what the Holy Spirit breathed through the human author of Romans 11:22….
” See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”
Not that his two predecessors loved the entire Bible when it drifted into severe themes, but he takes their very late life soft imbalance and multiplies it and is an oracle of it…..from “life sentences are a death penalty”…..to having children recite without qualification “immigrants are not a danger… they are in danger”….like that one who shot the girl in California while she walked with her dad…or near me in the early 2000’s, the Central American who who came to clean a family’s porch deck but decided on the spot to rape and kill the mother of two little ones.
Pope Francis’ mind is chaos. I read nothing long he writes. He will not pollute my life any further with his gibberish which is the only word for his endless series of mistakes. He may convert many non readers of the world. He’ll repulse and deconvert potentially anyone who knows what Paul called ” the whole counsel of God”…..” I have not shrunk from declaring to you the whole counsel of God” Acts 20:27. Francis only talks about mercy. No one shrinks from talking about that. They shrink from declaring the severe things of God….like Romans 1:26 ” For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.” It’s Francis’ job title to declare that if you push God too far, He gives you up to shameful affections. Francis can’t utter the whole counsel of God…it looks bad in the media.

Penguin Fan
Penguin Fan
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 6:24am

Screwed up country, screwed up order, screwed up Council…..Screwed up papacy.
Bishop Fellay should be Pope.

cthemfly25
cthemfly25
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 6:41am

Note the question which was being asked and then, if someone could do so, explain to me how his answer is substantively different from Bishop Lynch. PF appears to be blaming Catholics for the Orlando Islamic terrorist attack –which can only explain why he believes we need to seek forgiveness. Very sad.

Pinky
Pinky
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 8:46am

What irks me is that he criticizes the world powers for not intervening against genocide, and in the same breath condemns guns and war.

As for his comments about gays, they follow what Marx said, that the Church has to apologize for marginalizing gay people. It’s a classic Pope Francis statement: unbinding, poorly-phrased, likely to lead the unbeliever into confident sin and the believer into despair and schism. Don’t let it, fellow commenters.

Tom
Tom
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 8:52am

Crap, and another dose of “who are we to judge” just to rub it in.

Philip
Philip
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 8:56am

Purgatory scene; A man is asked why he didn’t do anything to speak up for the lives of the unborn while he was on earth. The man shrugged his shoulders. ” I spoke up for social justice on many occasions.” was his reply.

“Now, you must meet and ask forgiveness from each aborted child and after completing this task come back to see me.” a guardian angel instructs.

CAM
CAM
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 9:57am

“that Marxist Cardinal” said with a laugh. What a joker….the brain tumor is spreading or else PF is auditioning for a guest spot on late night Italian TV. BHO is getting ahead of him on late night appearances.

Dale Price
Dale Price
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 11:34am

I’m having less problem with this latest blurtation. The reason? I’m seriously beginning to think he’s in the early stages of dementia.

Penguin Fan
Penguin Fan
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 3:35pm

Mr. Price, a dementia diagnosis would not surprise me at all. Nor would some other mental disorder like Captain Queeg.

The Christian Teacher
The Christian Teacher
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 7:23pm

I am discouraged beyond words. I don’t even want to go to Mass because I am so discouraged by this Pope. This is the 3rd year after my conversion to Catholicism. I seriously don’t know how much more of this I can take.

CAM
CAM
Tuesday, June 28, AD 2016 11:16pm

Dear Christian Teacher, Focus on why you converted to Catholicism. Many of us are discouraged and frustrated by the pronouncements of this pope and even feel that he on occasion gives scandal to the Church when he lets himself be used by the media. Keep in mind that Pope Francis has not written nor spoken infallibly.
Please do not give up on Mass. Receiving the Body of Christ and the Precious Blood is a source of abundant grace. So are First Friday and First Saturday devotions and attendance at Holy Hour. You can include him in your Morning Offering prayer.
I’d also suggest subscribing to a publication online or in paper form such as Magnificat which has daily devotional readings and the lives of the saints.
Lastly the old man appears unwell. Pope Francis needs our prayers. -CAM

Michael Dowd
Michael Dowd
Wednesday, June 29, AD 2016 4:28am

Why is it that few Catholics ‘get’ this Pope? Is it because he is reflecting what most Catholics already believe? We need to be reminded that our God is the God of the Old as well as the New Testament, that He is quite capable of giving chastisements as we are in need of receiving them. A chastisement is an act of Mercy as it anticipates reform.

Philip
Philip
Wednesday, June 29, AD 2016 4:39am

Michael Dowd.

Excellent point.
I’m in total agreement.

Pinky
Pinky
Wednesday, June 29, AD 2016 9:14am

Christian Teacher – If your hand is leading you to sin, cut it off. If the message boards depress you too much, you shouldn’t be on them. Mass is Mass. It’s the heart of the Church. It’s perfect unity with God. You can be a good Catholic without message boards.

I keep thinking about Urban VI, an utterly unlikable pope whose personality, along with the geopolitics of the era, initiated the Great Schism. A true jerk, and a true pope. Everyone who didn’t support his claim to the Chair of Peter was wrong.

Pinky
Pinky
Wednesday, June 29, AD 2016 12:23pm

Yes, Don. There’s a world of difference there, though.

The Christian Teacher
The Christian Teacher
Thursday, June 30, AD 2016 9:49pm

Thank u CAM & Pinky. There is wisdom in both of your admonitions.

I was just overcome at the moment I wrote that.

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