Edward Pentin at National Catholic Register takes a look at some recent comments about the Vatican Lavender Mafia:
Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga has confirmed the presence of a homosexual “lobby” in the Vatican and revealed that Pope Francis is trying “little by little to purify it.”
The Honduran Archbishop of Tegucigalpa, who coordinates the Council of Nine cardinals advising the Pope on reform of the Roman Curia and Church governance, was responding to a question from a Honduran newspaper reporter who asked him whether there had been “an attempt to infiltrate the gay community in the Vatican, or a moment when that had actually happened?”
Cardinal Rodriguez replied: “Not only that, also the Pope has said there is even a ‘lobby’ in this sense. Little by little the Pope is trying to purify it.” He added: “One can understand them [members of the lobby] and there is pastoral legislation to attend to them, but what is wrong cannot be truth.”
The Pope acknowledged the presence of a homosexual network of priests at the Vatican during a private conversation with leaders of a Latin American confederation of religious in June 2013. In the context of saying he found reform of the Roman Curia difficult, the Pope said: “The ‘gay lobby’ is mentioned, and it is true, it is there … We need to see what we can do.”
He alluded to it again a month later, telling reporters on the plane back from Rio de Janeiro that “you must distinguish between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of someone forming a lobby, because not all lobbies are good. This one is not good.”
A homosexual lobby was also suspected to have been influential on both Synods on the Family when controversial passages relating to homosexuals made their way into the interim report during the 2014 meeting despite being hardly discussed, and external lobby groups sought to pressure the participants.
There was also a common perception that the Communion for remarried divorcees issue, which dominated both synods, was a “Trojan horse” to allow Church recognition of same-sex relationships and other extra-marital unions.
During last year’s synod, statements on homosexuality “seemed to come out of nowhere” at press briefings when the issue was hardly raised by synod fathers during the three week meeting.
Go here to read the rest. Interesting that the normally reliably leftist Cardinal Maradiaga made these remarks. Of course it could simply reflect that the Lavender Mafia has little strength among Third World clerics.
Homosexuality is despised in Latin America.
Homosexuality is despised in Floral Park. Formerly the Church taught us to hate the sin while loving in Christian charity the sinner. That means to try to convert the sinner; to come to repentance, Confession, penance, and amendment of life – “Go forth and sin no more.” .
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I call them the gay gestapo or homosexual huns.
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I have no respect for the so-called social sciences, especially psychology. In the 1970’s and earlier, credentialed psychologists studied “homosexuality” as a emotional/psychological disorder. Now, gangrenous geniuses view it as a blessing, and anyone who disagrees is disordered and should be shot.
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I have certain freedoms that cannot be abrogated. I can believe what I want. I cannot do nothing to affect Church elites’ plots to open the sacramental clergy to self-proclaimed homosexuals. I can avoid contact with such phonies.
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It seems as if Catholicism is being subverted by infiltrators that diametrically oppose many of its Objective Truths.
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The Edward Pentin link is not working
Fixed. Thanks for catching it.
I find it interesting they can not simply be 1) excommunicated and thrown out or 2) rounded up and ordered to spend their remaining days at some dusty unused monastery building, devoid of Internet communication so their influence is sharply lessened.
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So I think the gay influence is quite large and there is much black mail material out there.
I think part of the concern DJH is that if you did that, then these guys suddenly become martyrs of the oppressive Catholic Church, causing a big media backlash and a lot of in-fighting, and possibly bringing some more moderate clerics to express disapproval of how mean and unreasonable the Vatican is on this issue, and thus confuse the faithful further on the question than even tolerating their shadowy presence and nebulous influence is already doing.
Black mail is probably part of it though – I mean come on; it’s Rome.
Plus, they’d spend the rest of their lives writing books and making the rounds on Sunday morning and in daytime 24 hour news channel programming, condemning the Church and whining about it, which is nothing new, but they’d be doing it as ex-hierarchs. It wouldn’t end well.
Slow and steady wins the race is probably the thinking on the gay lobby.
How legit these old goals of the Communist Party are, I don’t know, but here are but two.
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.
They seem to be more appropriate when one considers the direction the church is heading.
I suspect that priests have been engaging in sodomy through the entire history of the Church. The only difference is that in the past they were quite content to keep their buggery from the light of day.
I remember years ago when the homo scandal was just starting to grow an old priest lamented that he longed for the old days when the occasional scandal involved the priest and the parish secretary.
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I suspect that priests have been engaging in sodomy through the entire history of the Church. The only difference is that in the past they were quite content to keep their buggery from the light of day.
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No. The John Jay report found a strong cohort effect observable in the evolution over time of the ratio of complaints from males to complaints from female. That descriptive statistic suggested that the ratio of homosexually inclined to heterosexually inclined priests increased more than 3-fold between 1955 and 1985. With reference to the Diocese of Syracuse, the complaints against priests logged over more than 50 years give scant evidence of misbehavior by priests ordained prior to 1930 or after 1989.
This confusing and soul shattering disorientation is a disorder, a cross that has been manfully carried by some who are known as saints. Please continue to pray for those who have been and are being attacked by the devil in this way.
Donald thank you for linking the article about St Peter Damian’s Book of Gomorrah. The knowledge that this sin has always been in the devils arsenal does not make us want to gossip and pounce on the sinner, but instead to realize the magnitude of the problem in each single persons life who is caught in loneliness and confusion, beset by devilish lies compounded by the complicity of human liars.
.Anzlyne,very well put. A good reminder for prayer.
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I think your missing my point, I was talking about buggery not abuse. If two priests in a monastery choose to engage in sodomy there is no victim. It may have been rare, but it certainly didn’t begin in the twentieth century. I believe the lavender mafia involves more adult on adult contact versus teenage abuse.
It may have been rare, but it certainly didn’t begin in the twentieth century.
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There is a distinction between an episodic problem and a systemic problem.
If two priests in a monastery choose to engage in sodomy there is no victim.
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That’s secular humanist thinking.
“That’s secular humanist thinking.” No I was mentioning it from a legal point of view.
“There is a distinction between an episodic problem and a systemic problem.”
That is exactly what I attempted to point out. 1000 years ago a couple of monks could have willingly engaged it sodomy. Yes, it was wrong and gravely sinful, but I doubt they desired to come out and write books about positive benefits of same sex relationships.
The sodomite priests of today may still be somewhat obscured, but I believe they are seeking was to subvert Church doctrine.
And I was just remarking that the legal point of view is secular humanist thinking.
How many mafias are there in the Vatican? Of course, Francis
will do nothing about the gay mafia, which may have played
a key role in his election, which was manipulated by another
mafia to elect Francis.