Neo-Pacifism and the Catholic Church

Monday, November 30, AD 2015

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One of the many maladies afflicting the Church since Vatican II has been neo-pacifism.  Violence is denounced as if it is the problem rather than a manifestation of conflicts that arise from many different causes.  That is why while Jihadis compile an impressive body toll, the reaction of the leaders of the Catholic Church is to cluck non-violence at all and sundry as if that is a reaction that solves anything.  Traditionally the Church has often taken a much more robust attitude towards combating evil, not shying away from armed force when necessary.  That tradition in the Church is as dead as full pews at Mass and full confessionals prior to Mass.  Oakes Spalding at Mahound’s Paradise takes Bishop Barron to task for his embrace of non-violence in the wake of the Paris Massacres:

Now, anyone familiar with Catholic history or Biblical exegesis would realize that Barron’s description of the traditional Christian response to violence and war–while superficially plausible to those with, say, a Cliff Notes exposure to the Bible–is false. The tradition is not pacifist or even “non-violent” when it comes to resisting aggression. In a sense Barron is sketching out a new interpretation of Christian tradition (after 2,000 years)–some sort of out of context melding of the thoughts of the quasi-Baptist Martin Luther King and the quasi-Hindu Mahatma Gandhi (as Mullarkey earlier suggested). In addition casually interchanging the concepts of sin, violence and “dysfunction” (whatever that is) is dangerously misleading, even (dare I say it) heretical.

But let’s leave those precise considerations aside and instead ask these questions: are Bishop Barron’s views on Christianity and violence attractive? Are they persuasive? Do they make, say, a non-Catholic want to become a Catholic? After all, presumably we want to reverse that 6.5:1 statistic. Don’t we?


Bishop Barron wants to be liked by the secular world. Indeed, I would say that is the driving force behind his own apparent intellectual dysfunctions. And if you put it to him politely, I think he might even sort of agree. “But that’s how you evangelize,” you can imagine him saying. “Talk to them on their own terms, without finger wagging.”


Of course, many non-Catholics will applaud. Finally (so goes the response of the applauders), here’s a Catholic who admits it’s all a bit too much to fight for the Catholic faith (or even to non-physically defend it). See, in doing so, he’s admitting what we have said all along, that much of what the Catholic Church has stood for and done over the last 2,000 years has been wrong.


They will applaud. But they won’t become converts. They will patronize Bishop Barron as they would the dim Anglican vicar. But in the end they won’t take him seriously.


If this is evangelism, it’s for those who have an IQ below 80.


Christ took on violence and swallowed it up with his mercy.


If that’s the best argument for Christianity, then Christianity is obviously false. There’s at least as much violence in the world now as there was 2,000 years ago. Christ didn’t vanquish it. Unless the Bishop means, metaphorically or whatever or, you know, in some deeper sense. If that’s the case, then applause. Finally (according to the applauders) Catholicism has been denuded into just another silly and harmless religious affectation.


(Correct answer: Christ vanquished sin, or at least the eternal consequences of sin for those who honestly repent and ask Him to forgive them.)


Respond to violence with non-violence. Violence tends not to work.


Now, again, this is calculated to get applause. But it is also imbecilic. And as much as some will say they believe it, almost no one actually does. Tell it, by the way, to the Holocaust survivors who were liberated by troops and tanks, not Buddhist floral arrangements.  I suppose it might get some of the New Age crowd. Then again, why should the New Age crowd become Catholic when they’re already getting their oatmeal somewhere else?

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26 Responses to Neo-Pacifism and the Catholic Church

  • It was poignant for him because he recognized the buildings?

    What an arrogant guy. He wants us to know he studied in Paris.

    In the old testament they say.. they (others) worship “no-gods”
    We have “no-leaders”

    Abdicators.

  • I have come to believe that it is not war we should fear, but that which makes war necessary.

  • I admired St. John Paul II, but not everything he said or did. He was a pacifist, which is ironic, given that Poland never failed to fight for her faith or her people.
    Much of this pacifism comes from the Latin American clergy, whose experience with war is minimal compared to the rest of the world.
    Until the insipid V2 document about Muslims the Church saw Islam as a heresy – an evil one. No V2 document can change Islam and I hold that it is a heresy.

  • Part of the eagerness of Catholic clerics to embrace pacifism over the past half century is that it has largely been cost free for them and their flocks.  They could call for non-violence, get good coverage from the liberal media, and someone else would pick up the tab.  (That is your cue boat people.)

    Perfect summary

  • This observer is quite pleased that our years of crusades against Islamist hordes were so passive. Then there was that “bushido” crowd in the orient that we handled by bowing peacefully, and that European peacemaking handshaking with the Nazis and fascists….

  • If Bishop Barron wishes to pacify the situation he should advocate concealed carry laws everywhere in the world. This would surely give pause to the bad guys. But giving pause to the bad guys is not what Bishop Barron is all about telling folks they ought welcome becoming road kill for the terrorists.

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  • Assuming you listened to this full video … it is clear that the Fr. M does nothing more than provide a very intense, passionate appeal to the same plan made by B. Barron.
    Once again, TAC is so dang hell-bent on pointing on the sticks in others eyes …. it fails to see it’s own logs.

  • Gandhi’s and MLK’s pacifisms weren’t apathy, defeat, or surrender. They were sharp, successful struggles employing nonviolent/nonweaponized means.
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    In the Gospels, St. John the Baptist did not advise the soldier to desert the army when asked what the soldier needed to do to prepare the way. And, late in the Gospels, Jesus advises us to sell our mantels and buy swords.
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    One thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke.

  • Bishop Barron doesn’t have children and grandchildren in the line of advance of the coming Caliphate (as do I). Belgians appear to be getting the message (not their leaders yet, but that will change soon enough) and are arming-up, according to my well-placed sources. And thank God, we had a S John of Capistrano at the Siege of Belgrade (1456), and not yet another milquetoast Barron-type bishop.

    Bp. Barron and the rest, since you’ve shown you can’t lead, and that you doubtfully would follow, at least in a useful capacity, please just get out of our way.

  • And as for this pope, we needed a P S. Pius V, and so far we have a meddling, muddling Adrian VI. Expect Rome to be sacked and burned again.

  • It seems to me that there is something discordant in Christianity’s approach to violence. On the one hand, Christ’s statements and examples argue strongly against justifications. On the other, 2000 years of reasoning have led to a large number of plausable answers that leave us free to defend ourselves and protect others.

    The tie-breaker, if even there is a balance to the arguments, is the practical experience which makes plain that evil will not be turned aside by “mere” good. Something divine is required if Man refuses to fight, and miracles are often in short supply to our species, due to our lack of faith.

    Forgive me for saying so but I think the author gives short shrift to the noble tradition that pacifism represents. Indeed, I suggest there are few things more noble than the willing martyr.

    Our pacifist Christian brothers and sisters are often derided as living under the wings of men who are not similarly constrained by conscience. I admit to feeling that way myself. So too, there is something of the coward in many who reserve the right to defend themselves but decry society’s more general right.

    Still, do we doubt that a strict application of God’s words, during His time among us, is the more noble, right, and good choice, that the early Church was right to refuse to bear arms? I suspect not. I suspect that we recognize the practical realities and that our lack of faith necessitates our handling most adversity directly.

  • “Still, do we doubt that a strict application of God’s words, during His time among us, is the more noble, right, and good choice, that the early Church was right to refuse to bear arms?”

    I do so doubt. It is one thing for a man to undergo death due to an unwillingness to commit violence. It is quite another for a man to stand idly by while women and kids, perhaps his wife and child, are put to the sword. I have nothing but contempt for such a man.

    In regard to the Church and military service under Rome prior to Constantine, some Christians did serve. The main reason why Christians as a rule did not serve was because service in the Legions prior to Constantine usually involved sacrificing to idols. Christians certainly flocked to join the Legions once this was no longer the case. Saint Augustine’s comments on military service are instructive:

    “4. Do not think that it is impossible for any one to please God while engaged in active military service. Among such persons was the holy David, to whom God gave so great a testimony; among them also were many righteous men of that time; among them was also that centurion who said to the Lord: “I am not worthy that You should come under my roof, but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed: for I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goes; and to another, Come, and he comes; and to my servant, Do this, and he does it;” and concerning whom the Lord said: “Verily, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.” Matthew 8:8-10 Among them was that Cornelius to whom an angel said: “Cornelius, your alms are accepted, and your prayers are heard,” Acts 10:4 when he directed him to send to the blessed Apostle Peter, and to hear from him what he ought to do, to which apostle he sent a devout soldier, requesting him to come to him. Among them were also the soldiers who, when they had come to be baptized by John,— the sacred forerunner of the Lord, and the friend of the Bridegroom, of whom the Lord says: “Among them that are born of women there has not arisen a greater than John the Baptist,” Matthew 11:11 — and had inquired of him what they should do, received the answer, “Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.” Luke 3:14 Certainly he did not prohibit them to serve as soldiers when he commanded them to be content with their pay for the service.

    5. They occupy indeed a higher place before God who, abandoning all these secular employments, serve Him with the strictest chastity; but “every one,” as the apostle says, “has his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.” 1 Corinthians 7:7 Some, then, in praying for you, fight against your invisible enemies; you, in fighting for them, contend against the barbarians, their visible enemies. Would that one faith existed in all, for then there would be less weary struggling, and the devil with his angels would be more easily conquered; but since it is necessary in this life that the citizens of the kingdom of heaven should be subjected to temptations among erring and impious men, that they may be exercised, and “tried as gold in the furnace,” Wisdom 3:6 we ought not before the appointed time to desire to live with those alone who are holy and righteous, so that, by patience, we may deserve to receive this blessedness in its proper time.

    6. Think, then, of this first of all, when you are arming for the battle, that even your bodily strength is a gift of God; for, considering this, you will not employ the gift of God against God. For, when faith is pledged, it is to be kept even with the enemy against whom the war is waged, how much more with the friend for whom the battle is fought! Peace should be the object of your desire; war should be waged only as a necessity, and waged only that God may by it deliver men from the necessity and preserve them in peace. For peace is not sought in order to the kindling of war, but war is waged in order that peace may be obtained. Therefore, even in waging war, cherish the spirit of a peacemaker, that, by conquering those whom you attack, you may lead them back to the advantages of peace; for our Lord says: “Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of God.” Matthew 5:9 If, however, peace among men be so sweet as procuring temporal safety, how much sweeter is that peace with God which procures for men the eternal felicity of the angels! Let necessity, therefore, and not your will, slay the enemy who fights against you. As violence is used towards him who rebels and resists, so mercy is due to the vanquished or the captive, especially in the case in which future troubling of the peace is not to be feared.”

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1102189.htm

  • Si vis pacem, para bellum.

  • Thank you for sharing your thoughts and references, Mr. McClarey. One undoubtably runs the risk of being thought a fool for challenging the Church in her teachings.

    I acknowledged the well-reasoned teaching of our faith through the ages. I am no pacifist myself for I lack the faith to move mountains. I rather think though that our Lord was speaking clearly when we were told that one with a faith the size of a mustard seed could move mountains and I suspect that such a one would be impervious.

    I am not he.

    This conversation rather illustrates my point though: Christianity exists in this world and, as such, is adapted to practical considerations. I have forgotten where but Jesus, in explaining why Moses allowed for divorce, suggested that it was an accommodation, granted due to Man’s hard hearts. So too here I think.

    Peter, in his zeal, struck with a sword to save his master. He was upbraided for his efforts. Jesus affirmed that he was content to be a lamb led to slaughter, that he could call angels to his aid but chose not to.

    It seems to me that there was no cause greater, for which justice more demanded violence, than to save Jesus. Yet, Jesus Himself refused the aid that justice demanded.

    The world is imperfect and, so, Christianity accommodates that reality. Had we the faith, we would have no need to defend ourselves or protect others. Christian teaching is merely accommodating our faithless need to do so.

  • “Yet, Jesus Himself refused the aid that justice demanded.”

    Yep, because His death was necessary for the atonement of sins. Before Pilate He noted that His kingdom was not of this Earth, but if it were His subjects would fight for Him so that He would not be handed over for crucifixion. (John 18: 36).

    Saint Remigius, the Apostle to the Franks, was instructing King Clovis of the Franks prior to his baptism about the Faith. He had just described the crucifixion. Clovis was greatly affected by this. Clutching his battle ax, he said, “If only my Franks and I could have been there! We would have avenged the wrongs done to our God!”

  • Some good points here but the tone of the article was snotty and condescending. Cheap shots like, “whatever that is” with regard to dysfunction are just too snarky. Yet the author himself uses the term “dysfunction” later in the piece. I’ll choose different content next time.

  • “Si vis pacem, para bellum.” USAF/SAC motto, “Peace is our profession.” One could conclude they were successful. After Nagasaki, there never was a nucular war.
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    Speak softly and carry a big stick. TR built a fleet and sailed it around the World.
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    “Yet, Jesus Himself refused the aid that justice demanded.” A meditation on the Fifth Sorrowful Mystery, The Crucifixion, Think of the love that filled Our Lord’s Sacred Heart during the three hours agony on the Holy Cross, and ask Him to be with you at the hour of death.
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    I often meditate on the fact that Christ voluntarily consigned himself to ignominious agony and death on the Holy Cross. It is mankind’s most unjust, evil, and disobedient act in history since Creation.
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    My thoughts are that if Christ had resorted to saving Himself. He, I think, would have consigned mankind to universal damnation. But, He obeyed God’s will and in HIs love for us saved us by His courage, forgiveness, mercy, and obedience. HIs sacrificial act is the greatest in the history of Creation. I believe that Christ is the bravest man that ever lived.
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  • T. Shaw, My thoughts have often run parallel.

    Did Jesus have foreknowledge? Scripture suggests to me that He did. If so, what man would choose that death? What man, knowing the specific violence and feelings that death entailed, would choose that death?

    Alike us except for sin?

    Indeed He was the most courageous man to have lived.

  • As Donald points out, it is one thing to refrain from violence even if necessary to defend oneself. It is quite another to do so when necessary to defend the weak from predators. One cannot imagine Jesus Christ observing a violent rape and responding by holding a sign and candle.

  • If that’s the best argument for Christianity, then Christianity is obviously false. There’s at least as much violence in the world now as there was 2,000 years ago.

    Not actually so. Could be argued, depending on how you’re measuring the amount of violence, but far from “obvious.”

    MLK and Ghandi wouldn’t have been possible pre-Christ world; their pacifism only works on Christian (maybe Jewish) groups, where the response to “I’m going to sit here and shame you” is not “Hey, you’re really easy to behead that way!”
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    I figure the ‘neopacifism’ is a product of people not realizing that a lot of Christian assumptions are not baselines– the world wars kind of rubbed the noses of Europe in the fact that humans aren’t easily Christian, when (as I understand the philosophy) they’d spent the last century or three trying to find ways to ignore that their culture was rooted in Christianity.
    Yeah, natural law is natural– but that means that there are consequences to not following it, not that everyone follows it as a matter of course, and a lot of Christian morality isn’t natural law.
    Europe is decently sized, loud, and has(had) a lot of money to spend. Of course their mental quirks are going to be over-represented in the world.

  • MLK and Ghandi wouldn’t have been possible pre-Christ world; their pacifism only works on Christian (maybe Jewish) groups, where the response to “’I’m going to sit here and shame you’ is not ‘Hey, you’re really easy to behead that way!'”

    Heh… 🙂

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  • Sorry, I guess this would be a better post under which to leave this comment. I find this quotation helpful in light of the discussion above. I also like Google.

    “I am not a pacifist. I do think that sometimes, in our finite and conflictual world, violence has to be used in defense of certain basic goods.” –Bishop Robert Barron

  • Pelayo, Charles Martel, Queen Isabel the Catholic, Don Juan of Austria, John Sobieski and the Winged Hussars were NOT pacifists.

    Oh, yeah, they never dealt with the Second Vatican Council either.

Bear Growls: What Can a Few Refugees Hurt?

Monday, November 30, AD 2015

 

 

Our bruin friend at Saint Corbinian’s Bear has unearthed an obscure historical document:

Scene: Canaanite Hebrew Refugee Welcoming Commission Headquarters.
Dramatis Personae: Bazar, a minor functionary; Tukal-Baal, vice chairman.

Bazar — Vice Chairmen Tukal-Baal, there’s something I feel I should bring to your attention.

Tukal-Baal — Will it take long? We have hundreds of thousands of Hebrew refugees on the way. Did you hear that they crossed the Red Sea? Probably thousands lost on over-crowded papyrus rafts. That kind of determination to seek a better life moves me to tears.

Bazar — But there’s a problem, sir.

Tukal-Baal — Problem? What kind of problem?

Bazar — A copy of their holy books fell into our hands. It’s not good.

Tukal-Baal — Not good? Their god will fit in with ours, I’m sure. It’s good that we have their holy books. It will help with our interfaith efforts.

Bazar — Sir, their holy books say they intend to wipe us out, man, woman, child, and livestock. Even our pets.

Tukal-Baal — Wipe us out? That’s ridiculous. I’m sure you’re misreading it. Perhaps there is a symbolic interpretation. They’re refugees for Baal’s sake. All they want is a better life. We owe them that!

Bazar — Listen to this, right from their holy books: When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you — I’ll skip the list of our neighbors, but include “the Canaanites” — and when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them.” That’s what it says. And may I respectfully again invite your attention to the mention of “Canaanites?” And look, sir. “Utterly destroy them,” right here, and “show no mercy to them,” there. That’s why I said it’s not good. I mean, you can read it right there in their holy books!

Tukal-Baal — And you think a bunch of four-year-old refugees looking for a better life are going to pay any attention to that? Seriously? Our civilization is destined for immortality! They’ll just be assimilated like everyone else.

Bazar — These are the same determined people who broke free of Egyptian slavery, crossed the Red Sea, and spent forty years in the desert, sir. And I’m not so sure they used papyrus boats to get across the Red Sea. It is suspected they used nuclear weapons in the devastating attacks on Sodom and Gomorra centuries ago. These people don’t fool around.

Tukal-Baal — You really believe they’re going to bother chasing down Buster after they’ve slaughtered me and my whole family?

Bazar — They take orders from a reclusive cleric named Moses. Moses has a military lieutenant named Joshua. We know their spies have scouted out our defenses. At best this has terrorism written all over it, if not outright conquest. They are as numerous as the sand of the sea.

Tukal-Baal — That many? Well, all the more reason to stop this nonsense and redouble our welcome efforts! Next you’ll be saying they’ll stamp out Baal worship and impose their god over everyone! [Laughs.] Maybe build a temple in Jerusalem! And why not a king, as well? [Laughs uproariously.] You can’t take these things seriously, Bazar. They’re just pitiful refugees. Put those Hebrew holy books away and attend to your regular duties.

Bazar — Yes, sir. I’m sure you’re right.

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  • I love the song and dance number,

  • Hi Bear and Donald
    I just got a text message from the USCCB :
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    USCCB: Catholic bishops, charities call for conscience protection in assisting refugees fleeing violence and persecution: http://lil.ms/ygb/2l02u7

  • I have not heard a peep from the USCCB over the past twelve years or more about the Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese and Palestinian Catholic populations.

    My place of work did a volunteer day at a Catholic Charities establishment in my city. They provided free lunches to poor people and numerous supplies to families resettling in the US. Per federal regulations, they are NOT permitted to even mention that they are Catholic to any of these people they want to help. This is what the office director told us.

    The USCCB’s Catholic Charities is a big business for them. Certainly they do good work for many poor people…but is that what they are SUPPOSED to be doing – first and foremost?
    They say they want to follow the Gospel but they skip the parts about sin.

  • Fritigern’s Goths were just refugees fleeing a brutal, terroristic regime, hoping to make a better life for themselves on the South side of the Danube.
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    Remind me again, how’d that work out for the Emperor Valens?

  • “USCCB: Catholic bishops, charities call for conscience protection in assisting refugees fleeing violence and persecution: http://lil.ms/ygb/2l02u7

    Uh… Doesn’t Catholic Charities get most of their funding from tax dollars??? If they truly want to claim religious freedom exemptions, it would be a good idea to not rely on tax monies to operate.

  • Let hear from Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr on this:

    “The more things change, the more they stay the same,” . On the proposal to abolish capital punishment, “let the gentlemen who do the murders take the first step”.

PopeWatch: Peronists Out

Monday, November 30, AD 2015

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For the first time since 1999 Argentina has a non-Peronist President:

 

Argentina’s election on Sunday represented the starkest choice the country has faced since the authoritarian era of Juan and Evita Peron began in the 1940s. The seven-point victory of center-right candidate Mauricio Macri may herald a real shift towards more sensible economics and less anti-U.S. policies in Latin America.

 

Defeated Peronist candidate Daniel Scioli was a hand-picked defender of the interventionist economics of his party’s retiring President Christina Fernandez de Kirchner.

 

 

In a recent TV interview, Scioli summed up the differences between him and Macri simply: “I defend the role of the state and he defends the role of the market.” He accused Macri, a leading businessman and mayor of Buenos Aires, of representing policies of “savage capitalism” that would devastate the poor.

 

Argentina’s voters have often fallen for such rhetoric, but not this year. The record of Kirchner and her Peronist party was a disaster and not easily ignored. As The Economist magazine put it:

 

 

Fernández has hoarded power and suppressed dissent. She has bent the central bank to her will, muzzled the government’s statistics institute and bullied the media. She has tried, less successfully, to suborn the independence of the judiciary. . . . The country is in danger of running out of reserves; the budget deficit this year is likely to be 6% of GDP; inflation is estimated at 25%; and growth is absent.

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  • I don’t follow the politics or evangelical efforts of other countries too closely, but can’t help but wonder if this sift may be due to a loosening of the Catholic Church over the people, and people–“the poor” opting for Evangelical Christianity, which seems to me to be less hostile to free market forces than the Church does. Protestantism is growing in S. America.
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    The Pope may want a “poor Church for ‘the poor’,” but it has been my observation that “the poor” do not want to be poor. I know I am tired of hearing how evil my family is.

  • The opposition retains control of the legislature, so he likely will not be able to initiate any serious reforms and one can expect the Peronists et al to be refractory regarding the budget deficit. Some regulatory changes might be feasible, and a restabilizaiton of prices at the cost of a recession (provided Argentina’s bond issues are not eschewed by the market).

  • The Church has been fairly weak in Uruguay and Argentina for some time. I do not think that’s a driver here. Over the years, only Chile, Peru, Venezuela, and Mexico have had Christian Democratic parties with a durable electoral base, and, if I understand correctly, the dispositions re policy of the Peruvian and Mexican parties are dissimilar to Francis’ prejudices.

  • Things will not change in Argentina for the better until the people there throw out Peronism and work to develop a market based economy. Nor will they change for the better until they stop beliving the government can give them what they want.

    Subsititue the Democrat Party for Peronism and you can be talking about the United States.

  • I would agree Art Deco about Peru, except that the politics there is so Macguffinized and tribal (sometimes literally) that the constant policy repositionings of the political class seem to bother few.

  • But the trend is as you describe even there.

Video Clips Worth Watching: Shane v. Jack Wilson

Sunday, November 29, AD 2015

 

 

Shane: Yeah, you’ve lived too long. Your kind of days are over.

Ryker: My days! What about yours, gunfighter?

Shane: The difference is I know it.

Ryker: All right. So we’ll all turn in our six-guns to the bartender. We’ll all start hoeing spuds. Is that it?

Shane: Not quite yet. [to Wilson] We haven’t heard from your friend here.

Wilson: I wouldn’t push too far if I were you. Our fight ain’t with you.

Shane: It ain’t with me, Wilson?

Wilson: No it ain’t, Shane.

Ryker: I wouldn’t pull on Wilson, Shane. [to Will Atkey} Will, you’re a witness to this.

Shane: So you’re Jack Wilson.

Wilson: What’s that mean to you, Shane?

Shane: I’ve heard about you.

Wilson: And what’ve you heard, Shane?

Shane: I’ve heard that you’re a low-down Yankee liar.

Shane, 1953

Perhaps the greatest Western ever made, Shane is a snapshot of the West as the old West of cattle barons and gunfighters is coming to an end.  Alan Ladd as the gunfighter Shane realizes his day is done, even as he comes to understand that his attempt to change his life is futile, just as his adversary, cattle baron Rufus Ryker, does not:

 Right? You in the right! Look, Starrett. When I come to this country, you weren’t much older than your boy there. We had rough times, me and other men that are mostly dead now. I got a bad shoulder yet from a Cheyenne arrowhead. We made this country. Found it and we made it. We worked with blood and empty bellies. The cattle we brought in were hazed off by Indians and rustlers. They don’t bother you much anymore because we handled ’em. We made a safe range out of this. Some of us died doin’ it but we made it. And then people move in who’ve never had to rawhide it through the old days. They fence off my range, and fence me off from water. Some of ’em like you plow ditches, take out irrigation water. And so the creek runs dry sometimes and I’ve got to move my stock because of it. And you say we have no right to the range. The men that did the work and ran the risks have no rights? I take you for a fair man, Starrett.

Clashes of right and wrong are morally simple, while clashes of competing rights are more morally complex and Shane does a good job showing this, just as it illustrates that we can do a lot with time in this Vale of Tears, but we can’t freeze it.

Jack Palance as hired killer Jack Wilson had his breakthrough role in this film which was populated with flawless performances, many of the actors and actresses involved giving the best work of their careers to this masterpiece.  If you haven’t seen this film, please remedy this omission as soon as possible.

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  • Not my pick for greatest western ever, but maybe greatest showdown. Scenewise, I’ve always enjoyed the choreography of the Shane/Wilson pas de deux.

  • Wasn’t this gem filmed around the Grand Tetons? (One of the grandest places on the planet)

  • I’ll have to see this film. I’m sure I saw it as a youngster. Age changes us.
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    My favorite western is “The Searchers.” I’m not sure the Ford/Wayne cavalry movies fit this genre, but are also favorites. The main attractions, for me, of these movies include the scenery, horsemanship, subplots, characters.
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    Someday, I’m abruptly going to jump in the car (I’m way to old for a motorcycle, younger brother tried it last Summer) and head west to give praise to God at His western USA creations.

  • My favorite western is “The Searchers.”

    Yup

  • T. Shaw.

    Praising God in his western USA creations.
    Great.
    If you have the time, please travel north to Braniff and Jasper in British Columbia.
    The Artist par excellence did a marvelous job up there as well.

    BTW. 1969 True Grit starring John Wayne is one of my favorite Westerns. The Coen brothers rendition in 2010 wasn’t bad. Mattie had more substance in the later version.

  • Everybody must still be recovering from the excess of tryptophan. Let’s see if we can’t liven the place up a bit, shall we?

    If the greatest western evah isn’t Johnny Guitar, then it must almost certainly be Hawmps!.

Jesus as the Greatest of Black Swan Events

Sunday, November 29, AD 2015

rara avis in terris nigroque simillima cygno

Juvenal

The completely unexpected in history has always fascinated me.  Nassim Nicholas Taleb, in his 2007 book The Black Swan, took a look at the impact of events in history for which our prior experiences give us no inkling.  Taleb states three requirements for a Black Swan Event:

First, it is an outlier, as it lies outside the realm of regular expectations, because nothing in the past can convincingly point to its possibility. Second, it carries an extreme ‘impact’. Third, in spite of its outlier status, human nature makes us concoct explanations for its occurrence after the fact, making it explainable and predictable.

Unlike Mr. Taleb I think true Black Swan events, based upon the criteria he sets forth, are rather rare in the history of mankind.  Normally they fall down on the first element.  Taleb, for example, views the fall of the Soviet empire as a Black Swan occurrence.  I disagree in that the dissolution of the great colonial empires of the West had been a salient feature of the post World War II world.  Totalitarian controls allowed the Soviet Union to delay the process, but once the reins were loosened, and the threat of mass violence was no longer on the table, the dissolution came rapidly.

The Coming of Christ into this world is the greatest example of a Black Swan Event that I can think of, and over the remainder of this Advent we will see how looking at the Incarnation through this mental prism can give us a new appreciation of how unlikely, and startling, the impact of Christ on History has been.

Before we do this, let us take a moment to recall to mind the world into which Christ was born.

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8 Responses to Requiem Mass in D Minor

  • More sublime music, esp. appropriate for these last days of November and the Souls, is hard to imagine.

    Another calm, comforting and profoundly moving Requiem (a little different orientation than Mozart’s incomparable D Minor Requirem) which is a personal favorite, I find is Maurice Durufle’s Requiem (Opus 9, completed 1947). It ironically [perhaps] was actually commissioned by the Vichy Regime in 1941 to commemorate the war dead of 1940. Durufle labored on it for 6 years, basing it on Gregorian motifs and modalities, but wanting to create a sense of calmness and peace for the soul being welcomed into heaven.

    This is the Introit and Kyrie, by St John’s College, Cambridge choir:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkn8mPGM_S0

  • My husband was watching the ‘Bama vs Auburn without sound when he wandered into the kitchen looking for the source of a Mozart favorite. Thanks for introducing us to Durufle.
    Hard to believe it was 1984 when Amadeus and F. Murray Abraham won Oscars for best picture and actor. It was great entertainment despite being historically inaccurate. No doubt that the film introduced many viewers to classical music.
    Speaking of music, the Pope’s debut album,”Wake Up” is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FsQiGcQ4v8 What next?

  • Favorite composer, favorite movie, not strictly historical but a delightful morality play. Poor Salieri, so consumed with envy. Envy no man. Each carries his own burden.

  • The movie was of course a slander of Salieri. Mozart was certainly one of the high water marks of Western civilization. The Requiem is my favorite piece of music, and in many ways was Mozart’s greatest composition, and movingly, his last.

    My favorite version is Bernstein’s, which, while paced probably much slower than Mozart would have intended, is a very thoughtful version, and teases out the beautiful music. It alson has top-notch soloists, including Jerry Hadley, who tragically committed suicide apparently over his broken marriage.

  • The idea of a pseudo-historical slander of Salieri only half occurred to me. A little reading tells me that, albeit competitors, they enjoyed a friendly acquaintance with one another. Salieri was one of a few musicians attending Mozart’s funeral and interment.

  • And yet, as always is the case, the factual truth is always more fascinating: such as the 14-yr-old Mozart attending the Sistine Vespers to hear the famous Miserere of Gregorio Allegri (ca. 1770) when visiting Rome.

    This particular and elaborate setting was forbidden to have the score disseminated, even under prohibition by law with severe penalties, so that it would only be heard at the Sistine Chapel. As you know, Mozart went home and wrote it out from memory, returning a few days later to check a couple notes (I guess even Mozart got a couple notes “wrong.”

  • I know musical geniuses are very unique: a music teacher of mine was taught by the great organist and composer Marcel Dupre (d. 1971). Dupre was renowned for memorizing every piece, no matter how fiendishly complex, and playing from memory.

    On one occasion, during one of the many summer concerts at Ste. Sulpice in Paris, Dupre was playing the cycle of the entire works of Bach — of course, from memory. Bill, my friend, was pulling stops and combinations: when the Mon. Dupre came up to the loft for the concert, before he started the first Prelude and Fugue (something like either the E Minor BWV 548 or the G Major BWV 542, something really tough for even a virtuouso with a score), he went to the music cabinet, picked up one of his own editions, spent about a minute reading through it, folded it up, put it back, locked the cabinet, went over to the bench, sat down and played it all, note perfect from memory. Bill confided to me, “Well, he was getting a little old and you know..) (He was about 75 at this point).

    Musical geniuses, like Mozart and their ilk, really are messengers of God, even if mortal themselves.

  • Playing stringed instruments strictly by ear, and now wishing I had taken lessons in my youth, makes me humbly appreciative of what a great gift musical genius must be. At age 75, also a little old, I’ll just be thankful for what small talent I have, and very thankful for the bride of my youth who plays me like a violin. God Bless her.

Bob Hope on Thanksgiving: 1950

Friday, November 27, AD 2015

 

Bob Hope spent many holidays away from his home entertaining the troops, and in this 1950 Thanksgiving message he reminds us of those who stand guard over our nation and often eat their Thanksgiving turkey far from home as a result.  God bless and keep them and their families.

Hope had already been to Korea to entertain the troops, even beating the Marines ashore at Wonsan on the east coast of North Korea!  He would be back to entertain the troops again, continuing his tradition of service that would stretch a half century from World War II to Desert Storm.  Hope was a comedic genius, in his prime perhaps the greatest American stand up comedian.  However, what I remember him for is the true patriotism that caused him, whether a war was popular or unpopular, to endure discomfort and danger to bring a smile to Americans far from home serving their country.  He was born in England, but he might as well have been born in the heart of America on the Fourth of July.

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  • “They were men.” Compare them to many of the current occupants of political office in Washington. That bunch never got their hands dirty their entire lives.
    As were the first Catholic missionaries to the present day United States. They were men.
    Compare them to the likes of certain Bishops.

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Enjoy your families and a day off from work (if you can).

General Wainwright’s Thanksgiving Prayer

Wednesday, November 25, AD 2015

After General Douglas MacArthur, over his fiery objections, was ordered to leave Bataan during the Japanese conquest of the Philippines, Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright was left in command, putting up a heroic fight until forced to surrender his starving, diseased ridden force.  Wainwright was the only American general to be captured by the Japanese and he endured the hell on earth that was Japanese prison camps, where some 37% of Allied prisoners died of starvation and the brutality of their captors.  Wainwright insisted on sharing the privation of his men, and risked his life many times to intervene on behalf of his fellow prisoners with their captors.

After he was liberated, he was a walking skeleton.  Douglas MacArthur gave him the signal honor  of featuring prominently in the surrender ceremony by which Imperial Japan capitulated.

After he returned home he was promoted to four star rank and retired to a successful business career.  He received the Medal of Honor as a tribute to the heroic leadership he displayed during the battle for Bataan.  In the fall of 1945 he wrote the following Thanksgiving Prayer:

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  • His decision to surrender Bataan(including Corregidor) had to be one of the most difficult ever. The Japanese were furious that he didn’t have a sword to surrender–their customary evidence of the process. His being on the “Big Mo” as the Japanese surrender in defeat had to be a bittersweet experience.

  • Among all the many things I have to be grateful for this Thanksgiving is
    that my country has had men like General Wainwright in its service. We
    are only free and prosperous today because of the service of men like him.
    “Lord of Hosts, be with us yet, lest we forget!”, indeed.

  • As usual, Don McClarey, well done, exceedingly well done.

    Reading your blog is like listening once again, fascinated, to my inordinately well-read late father (the highest compliment I can pay one), a veteran of the Pacific Theater in WWII, and a huge MacArthur and Wainwright fan, and his voluminous knowledge of the Paul Harvey hidden “rest of the story”, for the insight, depth, and ever-timeliness of your “historic” observations. Though often trenchant, your observations are inevitably uplifting.

    Happy Thanksgiving, and “food for Thanksgiving thought.”

  • I sometimes wonder, if MacArthur had had his way and allowed himself to be captured by the Imperial Japanese Forces, if that would have been their worst nightmare. His sheer power of intellect, force of character, and indomitable determination would have been the end of them, far earlier than 1945.

  • I’ve read that Wainwright was worried he might undergo a court martial for surrendering at Corregidor. That would have been a monstrous injustice–he deserved the ticker-tape parade he received.

  • He was shocked after his release from captivity to learn that he was regarded as a hero. He thought he would be damned forever in the minds of the American people for having surrendered, not realizing that most Americans understood the impossible situation he was faced with.

  • It is because of posts like these that make Mr. McClarey’s blog one of the best Catholic blogs out there. Mr. McClarey has a knack for finding relevant information that a lot of others lack.
    Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family, Mr. McClarey. Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts here and continue being the rock that weathers the storms, especially the current hurricane eminating from Vatican City.

  • I’d blush PF if a third of a century in the law mines had not drained that emotional reaction out of me. I do appreciate your very kind words, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!

  • ditto’s from here Penguin fan and Steve P. – a most exceptional blog place.

    a tip of the hat to you Don Mc C

  • Thanks Don for being a part of our 1st, inaugural, Thanksgiving Prayer service at Bay Ridge. We used two of your posts. The Red Skelton Pledge of Allegiance and General Wainwright’s prayer. Also included; Tobit12:6
    1st Thessalonians 5:18. Philippians 4:6. and Psalm 106:1

    We ended it with the hymn Let All Things Now Living.

    Your contribution was deeply appreciated.

Ben Franklin and the Turkey

Wednesday, November 25, AD 2015

After the American Revolution, former American officers in that struggle created a fraternal organization called the Society of Cinncinatus, named after the Roman consul and dictator, a constitutional office of the Roman Republic in emergencies, who saved Rome through his efforts in the fifth century BC and then retired to his humble farm.  The Society selected as its symbol a bald eagle.  In a letter to his daughter Sally Bache on January 26, 1784, no doubt with his tongue placed firmly in his cheek, Dr. Franklin indicated that he thought another bird would have been a better choice.

Others object to the Bald Eagle, as looking too much like a Dindon, or Turkey. For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen as the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perch’d on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him. With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping and Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country, tho’ exactly fit for that Order of Knights which the French call Chevaliers d’Industrie. I am on this account not displeas’d that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For in Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America. Eagles have been found in all Countries, but the Turkey was peculiar to ours, the first of the Species seen in Europe being brought to France by the Jesuits from Canada, and serv’d up at the Wedding Table of Charles the ninth. He is besides, tho’ a little vain and silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on.

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  • While he is a dastard by nature, the bald eagle is far more photogenic (see paintings of him clutching arrows, etc.) than the wild turkey. And, the brave, warlike eagle myths endure.
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    Unlike the bald eagle, the wild turkey is hugely intelligent and prospers without stealing from, or assistance from, anything or anybody. Ask any turkey hunter about the big bird’s intelligence. The domestic turkey, that we eat, not so smart: rumor has it that they need to be taught how to drink water.
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    Tomorrow, offer up praise and gratitude to God. Happy Thanksgiving!

  • There is an old rhyme (quoted by Rudyard Kipling in Puck of Pook’s Hill)
    “Turkeys, heresy, hops and beer
    Came into England, all in one year.”
    The year is 1524, of which St Thomas More remarked, “Heresy and beer came hopping into England that same year.” The pun is based on the fact that beer (as opposed to ale) was flavoured with hops.
    Now there is a Scottish rhyme
    “On St Thomas the Divine
    Kill all turkeys, geese and swine.”
    It must predate the Reformation of 1569, when saints’ days and the keeping of Yule (as Christmas was called here) were both abolished. The St Thomas referred to is the Apostle, whose feast falls on 21 December. Our ancestors obviously did not believe in hanging their poultry.

  • It was surprising for me to learn that the selection of the American bald eagle as the nation’s symbol came as a result of its choice as the symbol of the Society of Cinncinatus.
    That society, incidentally the nation’s oldest patriotic organization, is open only to American AND French descendants of participants in the Revolutionary War ; it was an omission for the author of this article not to have mentioned that the “…former American officers in that struggle created a fraternal organization called the Society of Cinncinatus …” WITH THEIR FRENCH ALLIES WHO WERE ALSO FORMER OFFICERS IN THAT STRUGGLE ! [From the society’s website : “…Hereditary members of the Society of the Cincinnati are qualified male descendants of commissioned officers who served in the Continental Army or Navy and their French counterparts…”]

    Incidentally, President George Washington, when the Continental Armies (and their French allies) had defeated the British, and again when his terms in office as President of the United States were completed, retired to his farm in Virginia to lead the life of a gentleman farmer. Even in his lifetime, there had been comparisons between George Washington and the legendary Cincinnatus, as for example in Lord Byron’s “Ode to Napoleon” – in which Washington is referred to as “the Cincinnatus of the West”.

5 Responses to Edward Feser on Papal Infallibility

  • His post ought to be required reading from every pulpit….but it won’t. Excellent teaching.

  • Excellentissime! Tibi gratias!

  • Excellent article. Most informative. It is interesting that Catholics who wish to have Pope Francis teaching on climate change and income redistribution be infallible are often the same ones who wish to have Church teaching on abortion and euthanasia be subject to their own personal judgement of conscience.

  • I have posted a comment on Fesser’s original article:-
    The borderline between questions of doctrine and questions of fact is by no means always clear-cut.
    All theologians accept that Pope Innocent X’s condemnation of the famous Five Propositions of Jansenism in Cum Occasione of 1653 was an exercise of the infallible magisterium. The pope claimed that these propositions were taught in the Augustinus of Cornelius Jansen.
    In 1656, in Ad Sanctam Beati Petri Sedem, Pope Alexander VII declared that since some still insisted that those propositions were not to be found in the Augustinus, or were not meant by the author in the sense in which they were condemned, he declares that they are contained in the Augustinus, and have been condemned according to the sense of the author. It is hard to see how this could possibly be a question of faith or morals.
    Nevertheless, in 1664 in Regiminis Apostolici, he imposed on the clergy subscription of a formula, submitting “to the apostolic constitution of the Supreme Pontiff Innocent X dated May 31, 1653, and to the constitution of the Supreme Pontiff Alexander VII dated October 16, 1656, and, with a sincere heart, I reject and condemn the five propositions taken from the book of Cornelius Jansen entitled Augustinus and in the sense understood by that same author, just as the Apostolic See has condemned them by the two above-mentioned constitutions and so I swear.” How anyone could subscribe that formula in good conscience who had not read the Augustinus or who differed from the Pope’s interpretation is an interesting question. Were they required to make a submission of faith to the Pope’s judgment?

  • This observation, within Feser’s great article, by then-Card. Ratzinger, is highly pertinent at the present time in the present pontificate:

    Thus the Spirit’s role [in a papal election] should be understood in a much more elastic sense, not that he dictates the candidate for whom one must vote. Probably the only assurance he offers is that the thing cannot be totally ruined. (Quoted in John Allen, Conclave: The Politics, Personalities, and Process of the Next Papal Election)

    That is all I am hoping for — “that the thing cannot be totally ruined..” The Catholic Church, that is.

Red Skelton: Thanksgiving 1952

Tuesday, November 24, AD 2015

A Thanksgiving thought in 1952 from master comedian Red Skelton.  Born into deep poverty, his father dying two months before his birth, he went to work at the age of 7 to help his family.  Life dealt Skelton some tough cards at the beginning of his life, and the worst thing that could happen to any parent, the death of a child, lay in his future.  Yet throughout his life Skelton retained a deep faith in God and an abiding love for his country.  He approached life with optimism and a thankful heart, a good message for any Thanksgiving.  Below is his classic Pledge of Allegiance skit.

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  • I remember him from my youth. He was a class act. Those days are long gone. Glad I experienced some of those days.

  • If ever there was an entertainer that possessed humility it was Red. Call it authentic. He served God first. You Mr. McCleary do a service to all of us, by reminding us what ALL of us are capable of…namely serving God by loving neighbor.
    Red Skelton is alive today and tomorrow… thank goodness. Thanks for the memories.

  • McClarey…geesh. (McCleary)
    At least I’m consistent. 🙂

  • I remember him well, our favorite comedian in the 1950’s. His routines and his jokes stand clearly in my memory. “Did you hear about the poor snake?” He didn’t have a pit to hiss in” was about as risque as he ever got. It is a memory of a kind person who played the happy clown, in spite personal sorrows that might make others bitter, humorless, sarcastic and sour. Such can only be the working of Grace offered and accepted.

  • William P Walsh.

    Freddie the Freeloader was one of his top characters. The hobo type, but always squeezing in dignity. He did not abuse his persona, but tried to show a compassionate heart from the pits of poverty. Example; A Christmas special he had with Greer Garson as his guest star. In the skit he needs a stage to for his hobo friends to put on a show for the orphanage. He asks Greer for use of her theatre which of course she agrees and the band plays on.

    He was deeper than the facade as many comics of his era were as well.

    Good man. Great American!

Abbott and Costello, Charles Laughton and the Gettysburg Address

Monday, November 23, AD 2015

 

Last Thursday, the same day of the week that Lincoln originally gave the speech, marked the 152nd anniversary of the Gettysburg Address.  On April 6, 1952, comedy titans Abbott and Costello were hosting the Colgate Comedy Hour.  They had as their guest star Charles Laughton, one of the greatest English actors of the first half of the last century.  Amazingly enough the comedy duo and Laughton were co-starring at the time in the forgettable Abbott and Costello Meet Captain Kidd.

This was back in the days of live television, and the sheer spontaneity made this brief period of television magic.  As was the case when Laughton, who had given a stunning rendition of the Gettysburg Address in the movie Ruggles of Red Gap (1935), recites the Address before a visibly moved Abbott and Costello.  Both Abbott and Costello were patriots.  Too old, Abbott was 44 at the time of Pearl Harbor, and sick, heart problems and epilepsy afflicted Costello, for military service in World War II, they threw themselves into war bond drives and sold more bonds than any other entertainers.  In one heartbreaking incident they performed at a bond drive immediately after the death of Costello’s infant son, the shattered Costello giving the huge audience no hint of the tragedy that had just befallen him and his wife.   They had done their bit to ensure “that government of the people, by the people and for the people would not perish from the Earth” and for them the Address was no mere artifact from long ago but a magnificent expression of what this country means. 

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  • Thanks for that video, Mac! I want to stand up and cheer.

  • The June 19, 2015 version:

    (Dr. Guy McClung addressed the San Antonio City Council during the Citizens to Be Heard session on June 17th, 2015.)

    Council Members and (newly elected) Mayor Taylor, thank you for the courtesies you have shown me when I have spoken to you in the past and thank you for this opportunity to speak to you this evening. Mayor Taylor, the pro-life voters of San Antonio have elected you out of hope. This is why the pastors and priests of San Antonio, the Texas Leadership Coalition, the San Antonio Family Association and others endorsed (and supported) you, in hope that you will remain the voice of families in San Antonio and that you will become a strong effective voice for all the children of San Antonio, including San Antonio’s unborn children.

    It is the pro-life vote that handed you this victory. Your opponent’s hypocrisy in calling herself a Roman Catholic and then by her official actions and words subverting the teaching of her own Church were clear to the pro-life voters. Her key support of Wendy Davis did not go unnoticed; nor did the clear applicability to her of Jesus’ own words “hypocrite.”

    The 1857 Supreme Court Dred Scott decision held that Dred Scott, his wife, and their unborn child were not human beings, but were property to be bought and sold. Ironically Chief Justice Roger Taney, a Democrat, born on a tobacco slave plantation, former slave owner, who handed down the Dred Scott decision, was also a Roman Catholic. Abraham Lincoln and the US Congress not only defied Taney and the Supreme Court, they refused to obey the decision. And then we had a Civil War over this. In the summer of 1863 in the costliest of battles in terms of loss of life, over 50,000 soldiers from both sides died at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. If we continue in San Antonio, the number of dead children here will exceed the number of dead at Gettysburg. In the Fall of 1863 President Lincoln went to dedicate a cemetery to the dead soldiers. The words he spoke there have become known as the “Gettysburg Address.” Here is The San Antonio Address:
    The San Antonio Address

    (In Honor of Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address)

    Almost a dozen score years ago our forefathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men, women, and children are created equal, and founded on the principle that they are all endowed by their Creator with the inalienable right to life.

    Now we are engaged in a great civil conflict, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met at great battlefields of that conflict, in San Antonio, the city with the new killing chambers of Planned Parenthood, with the final solutions of Whole Women’s Health Services, and the death dealers of Alamo Women’s Reproductive Center. We have come to dedicate a portion of this city as the final resting place of thousands of innocent children; to dedicate their unmarked graves, the dumpsters, the toilets, the biological waste incinerators, and the garbage cans that receive their remains. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

    But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate , we cannot hallow the ground here in San Antonio where they have died and where more will die. The dead children, who struggle, suffer, cry out with silent screams, and die here have consecrated it and will consecrate it, far above our poor power to add or detract.

    The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget that they have been and will continue to be killed here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which the children who die here have thus far so nobly advanced, the work they have begun in their small way, dying with their tiny voices unheard. But we will hear them.

    It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead children we take increased devotion to that cause for which they give the last full measure of devotion, that we here insure that no more children’s lives are taken in this city of St. Anthony, St. Anthony who was gifted to hold the infant Jesus in his arms . That we here highly resolve that these dead children, and all the dead children of America shall not die in vain in this American Holocaust– that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, including all the people, even the smallest people now warm and happy within their mothers’ wombs, that this nation, these people, and these children shall not perish from the earth.

  • Two HUGE sentiments of thanks go out two Guy and Donald.
    The clip stirred my heart. Excellent delivery.
    The San Antonio Address as well is a poignant reminder of the continuation of a civil war.
    Guy. You are blessed and have blessed us with your Faith.
    Thanks and a many Happy Thanksgiving to your loved ones. For the unborn, a prayer at your gatherings. For the living, a prayer of gratitude.

Notre Shame

Monday, November 23, AD 2015

 

 

Parents thinking of coughing up big money to get their offspring a Catholic higher education at Notre Dame might wish to save their money.  Matt Archbold at Creative Minority Report tells us why:

 

Earlier this month, the great Sycamore Trust created a website called NDCatholic.com which would assist Notre Dame students in finding those professors and courses on campus that could be counted on to deliver an “authentic Catholic education.”

Great idea, right?

On top of that, they had the great Fr. Wilson D. Miscamble, C.S.C., making his very well informed recommendations to students on the website.

Great idea, right? In fact, so many students thought it was a great idea that the website reportedly crashed on the first day.

Well, it seems to me the university’s administration didn’t like the idea.

The Sycamore Trust sadly sent out an email yesterday saying that Fr. Miscamble “is no longer associated with the website NDCatholic.com.”

“I regret that I can say only that I am required to end my involvement with the NDCatholic site and am not at liberty to say why,” Fr. Miscamble told The Sycamore Trust.

Now, to be clear, he doesn’t say the administration got to him but it would appear that’s what occurred. (I could be wrong but who else would be against such a website?)

The Sycamore Trust reports:

On November 9, 2015, we unveiled the NDCatholic.com website, which is designed to assist students seeking a Catholic education at Notre Dame. They need this sort of help because of the alarming reduction over recent decades in Catholic representation on the faculty. The faculty no longer comes close to meeting the University’s own Mission Statement test of Catholic identity: a majority of committed Catholics on the faculty. Perhaps 25% to 30% of the faculty fit this description, as we will show again in a coming bulletin using the most recent data available.

The consequences of this steep decline in Catholic faculty have been described in concrete terms by Professor Emeritus Walter Nicgorski, who retired recently after more than forty years as one of Notre Dame’s most highly regarded teachers and scholars:

It is increasingly the case today that a young person going through the critical and formative years of a Catholic education at Notre Dame might not encounter a practicing Catholic informed and engaged by the Catholic intellectual tradition.

The Trust will continue the work of the website and vows to build on their success.

So much for free speech on campus, right?

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  • If 25 to 30 percent of ND’s tuition’s were diverted to other Catholic Universities that honored a orthodox or at the very least traditional Catholic faculty authenticity, maybe then ND would pay attention. After all at ND one can easily assume that their only concern is the fat dollar! Church doctrine? Tradition on Catholic Truth? Alien notions @ ND!

    Boycott.
    Worth repeating!
    Boycott that pool of iniquity.

  • Just listened to the homily by Fr. Miscamble.
    Superb.
    The suffering he speaks of is amplified as the Holy Cross Father’s and other genuinely devoted souls confront the enemy that is the liberal henchmen controlling ND’s identity.
    Father’s homily mentions the “preaching of the gospel as to be fully immersed in living out the gospel in our own lives.” Using St.Paul as an example.

    Catholic identity in Catholic Universities is a suffering that no less is the thorns that surround the Sacred Heart.

    An Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be for Notre Dame.

  • “I regret that I can say only that I am required to end my involvement with
    the NDCatholic site and am not at liberty to say why”.

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    I can only assume that whoever ordered Fr. Miscamble’s silence decided that
    their reasons don’t reflect well on Notre Dame. At any rate, it’s not a ringing
    endorsement of the Catholic dimension of the education at ND that
    .
    . #1. A website must be founded to help students separate solid, Catholic
    . courses from the dross.
    . #2. Said website is hugely popular– which means that the students it
    . targets want to find solid, Catholic courses and have no other way
    . to do so. (Evidently ND itself is no help there).
    . #3. And the administration of ND views all of this as a threat that must be
    . shut down, not a a call to re-assess how the university is serving its
    . Catholic students.

  • Pray for the conversion of sinners and ND.

  • Notre Dame does not want to be a Catholic university. Notre Dame wants to be a first tier research university.

  • I guess Father has a dilemma then. Does his vow of obedience trump the immorality of what he’s being asked to do? Think of it. The admin at Notre Shame doesn’t want its students to find the still Catholic professors at the school.

  • Father of Seven,
    I don’t see the priest as obligated further. There may be legal/ economic issues in this. The priest in my opinion was probably told that the website will over crowd the orthodox professor classrooms and thin out the classes of secularists. He was then told it could lead to the laying off of secularists with young families.
    I suspect the priest in that light sees that point. Further they could face lawsuits from any secularist laid off due to one of their own priests funneling students away from them in effect. Legally it might be Nortre Dame ( the priest ) undermining their Nortre Dame employment. The real tragedy is that sufficient Catholic personnel are not around to fill those spots or were around and were not chosen in times past. I imagine those secularist profs with tenure would have to be paid til retirement even if their classes became virtually empty.

  • Here’s a link to the Newman Guide http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/TheNewmanGuide/RecommendedColleges.aspx . I tell everyone I know about it. My son is a sophomore in high school (homeschooled) and so far we have visited Christendom, Franciscan University, and St. Gregory’s University (my first choice). In the Spring, we will visit Belmont Abbey. I also tell everyone I know (when the subject of colleges comes up) that I will not be spending $200,000 for someone to steal my children’s faith. One of the reasons I homeschool — he was being bullied in 2nd grade in a Catholic school. The Holy Spirit made me realize I was paying $3000 a year to have him abused. The first priority of parents is to raise and educate their children. Many (most?) bishops & priests forget what the catechism says in regards to a parent’s duties (and many of them forbid them to be homeschooled for Religious Ed. I’m blessed because my parish is fine with it). Anyway, most people won’t argue with me when I tell them that I’m not paying to have other people scandalize my children. I’m sure they think I’m weird. They can easily be scandalized for free, so there’s no sense in paying for it. I’d rather my kid become a plumber than to risk his soul for hell with a degree from a popular “Catholic” college.

  • @Missy.

    Your a fantastic Mom!
    May Our Lady bless you with her Son’s most fragrant of blessings.
    Rose’s are perfect.

  • If 25 to 30 percent of ND’s tuition’s were diverted to other Catholic Universities that honored a orthodox or at the very least traditional Catholic faculty authenticity,

    There are none. The corporate architecture of Catholic University renders it salvageable. The surviving Catholic institutions are all colleges. The closest thing to a research university is the University of Dallas (which Charles Grahmann tried to ruin during his tenure as bishop).

  • Oops. The troublesome university president was appointed not by the Bishop of Dallas but by a board of trustees which includes the local bishops but is predominantly lay (alumni and local business). If I’m to take the Cardinal Newman Society at face value, Msgr Joseph failed to ruin the place. Please note, the University of Dallas is not run by one of the religious orders.

  • The real head scratcher is that I know so many faithful Catholic families who still just gush over ND, yet if you asked them about Georgetown or DePaul they would rip them for their heterodoxy.

  • Mr. McClarey, can you please have someone correct the Big Pulpit headline (which links to Creative Minority Report, where I have also left a comment to please change it ASAP, and they have not) re Fr. Miscamble?

    It is horribly misleading (almost have me heart attack!) and makes it sound as though Fr. was dismissed from his beloved ND, when it was from his involvement with the website–and that is terrible, scandalous, sensationalism.

    I hope you can get this done! Thank you.

  • There remains many, many devoted, fully Catholic, staff and faculty at ND. I’m sure it is not easy for them as they swim against the tide.
    Think you people that flippantly write off Notre Dame as not “Catholic” could squeeze out a prayer for them?

  • Yup.
    For YEARS I’ve been praying for ND.
    Even when the beautiful priest was arrested on campus for praying the Rosary while America ushered in the biggest Pro-abort President in History. BTW, ND asked for him to give his commencement speech to that graduate class… 2008 I believe.
    Yeah. We’re praying. You?

  • No “Guest” it is ND that is scandalous. Please define flippantly-I take NDs shrugging off Catholicism as a heinous crime, not something to be taken lightly.

  • Philip: Me? I was trying to bail Fr. Weslin, a hero of mine (may he rest in peace) out of jail after the corrupt town in concert with the administration changed the law in the middle of the night prior to the arrests.
    So yeah, and you?

  • So guest…let’s stop the heat. We are not enemies. I loved him too. He spent his last weeks here in TC. A great man.
    I’d love his likeness to be bronzed and part of the Grotto at ND. A reminder of the Spirit of ND, prior to the ungrateful Imbecile’s that have lost the identity of a once great school of Catholic learning.
    Peace guest.

  • Philip: And BTW, Fr. Weslin was singing Ave Maria as he was arrested.
    I’m sure he’d be pleased if you, and others, could pray for those at ND that are enduring the Catholic backlash. Many of them could make substantially more elsewhere, in a much nicer location and climate, but thank God they are remaining strong.

    As for those fully Catholic that cannot go elsewhere, there are literally thousands of staff in kitchens, cleaning dorms, cleaning buildings, tending to the graveyard, and even those having to work directly for progressive, anti-Catholic faculty. You’d be surprised how many students they witness to.

    What’s interesting, as an outsider (parent) looking in, is that if the only people left donating vast sums are progressive or solely “social Justice ‘Catholics’, then of course ND will keep going in its present direction. After all, money talks, and if that segment is the only one giving voice, well, those withholding gifts directed to the truly Catholic programs at ND are starving the voice of those programs.

  • Guest.
    You have my prayers.
    Good night.

  • Peace to you as well, thank you. I just wish people understood how disheartening it is (for staff in particular, and I imagine for the faithful faculty) when ND is summarily dismissed as non-Catholic. They cling to the hope that one of the many of the brilliant, younger, amazing and genuinly faithful Priests make it up through the ranks and turn the tide. That is what I pray for!

    I love the statue idea. Grotto, or even with the statue of Our Lady praying for the unborn that is along the Basilica exterior.

    (But I gotta say part of me would want Fr. Weslin’s statue to be of him in that still painful to call to mind position, as he was being laid down and plastic handcuffs put on him. Let it be a piece of history, and have a tribute to the “88” somewhere with it. And it should have inscribed his words as they were doing this–“you are arresting a priest for trying to save a baby?”) Still makes me cry.

    Anyhow, peace be with you and Happy Thanksgiving!

  • ….along the Basilica exterior. Yes!
    It was one of the most surreal times in ND history. One that brought many tears to many eyes.

    You have a Blessed Thanksgiving too.

    We are in the midst of a battle that has been prophesized for some time. Our Lady via Fr. Gobbi and the Marian Movt. of Priest, is one I recall that fits perfectly into the mayhem we find ourselves in.

    Well. Tighten up the sheets, reef the main and put up the storm jib. The storm is on us.

  • Mayhem, good way to describe it.

    I just came back to post the info for those so inclined to donate to help NDstudents attend the March for Life.

    It is humbling and heartening to see how many students go. Most important, they know they are not alone! The press always underrepresents the attendance, last year was approaching a hundred thousand, yet it was reported as “thousands.” Further, what a great way for faithful like-minded students to get to know each other!

    The Sycamore Trust website had this info to donate directly to the ND March for Life:
    Oops, ipad not letting me copy and paste, website w/info is
    sycamore trust.org.

    Thank you.

    Hmmm, Philip, maybe we should start a fund in each diocese in honor of Fr. Weslin and send the proceeds directly to the March for Life transportation account (most charter buses) of Catholic High Schools and colleges in that diocese! I could write a short history/brochure of his amazing and honorable life (this wasn’t his first stint in jail for the cause!) and make more people aware of him, his service to his country, his family, his church, and the most vulnerable children. This could truly honor him by helping form new pro lifers!

    I’ll check back here tomorrow. Good night, and oremus pro invicem.

  • So are you suggesting spending $40,000+ a year to meet devout maintenance staff? Seems like a waste! Not what I would call a Catholic education.

  • Guest.

    Yes, let us pray for each other.
    The brochure idea in honor of Fr. Weslin directed to defray transportation cost within each diocese is a great idea.
    Please do pursue this.

    Philip Nachazel
    6300 S. Good Harbor Trail
    Cedar Michigan 49621

    I will run with this in our diocese of Gaylord Michigan.

    God be with you.

  • Guest.
    When your rough draft is ready, please send it.
    I’ll try to drum up benefactors that will put your work in print.
    Okay(?)

  • Another reason for Thanksgiving, the life of the late Fr. Norman Weslin: thank you all for reminding me.

    Best line “ever”? As many of you know, when the police arrested him at the 2009 Notre Dame protest, he asked, “Why would you arrest a Catholic priest at a Catholic university for trying to stop the killing of a baby?” Why, indeed.

    [Except that obviously the Church is headed to end as it began, persecution, imprisonment, and inevitably, martyrdom. We all know its coming. Get ready.]

    But for today and tomorrow, Thank you, Fr. Norman Weslin, thank you, Philip, thank you, Guest, and all others.

  • Steve.
    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com. is reporting another grotesque act of Lucifer via an “artist,” living in Spain. He allegedly stole over 200 consecrated hosts in order to make his art.

    Jesus is not just weeping. He is brokenhearted at the complete lack of faith.

  • Well-observe, Philip, and a crushing reality (the deliberate desecration of the Eucharist by yet another “artist” expressing the artistic vision within). At least Hieronymous Bosch told the truth the war he experienced inside him, and its eventual certain outcome.

    I also didn’t realize that Fr. Weslin was a Lt. Col. (ret), and his promotions were service-promotions (with all respect to reserve personnel, but as many know, active service-promotions are tough grades to achieve, “eliminators” at each rank advancement). It make the 2009 farce even worse. (No wonder that Janet Napolitano and Obama via DHS report announced that “military veterans” were possible source of “terror” incidents back in 2009.
    ….
    Being held accountable to their conscience is indeed a terror event for such as these.

  • [Leaving behind the serious and the real level for a momentary escape, now…]

    On a more absurdly comic level, I attended the Notre Dame-Stanford game with friends last night in Palo Alto–sold out, and the typically over-imbibed Notre-Dame fans in raucous and lurching attendance (literally: Stanford’s venue is a dry stadium, but there are this thing innocently called “tail-gating” — they cant exactly give everyone a blood-alcohol test at the entrance). I know ND fans “are not ND”—but the difference between ND fans and, say, Stanford fans, is, well—you have to see it for yourself.

    This happens every two years when they (ND) come to Stanford, I can attest. The only worse [requisitely drunken] “fans” are the Michigan State fans—and I pray God that Philip or others on this blog, is/are not a Spartan-fan(s) as I say that—or probably were he so, he is one of the Green fans that wish the others would show some moral-self-control. (We encountered them at the Rose Bowl 2 years ago, but that is a story for another day). I muse that it is kind of like the Catholic Church today, at times: One is embarrassed to watch people who should know better how to behave.

    ND’s supporters were quite bellicose this night, because this win would guarantee them a bowl-championship-berth; and when they appeared to be ascendant in the 3rd quarter, I thought for the sake of Mrs. Phoenix and my autistic-brother Joe (who looks totally normal, so that itself is an invitation to a fight: plus he insisted on wearing his Stanford Cardinal Footbal sweatshirt), I negotiated their reluctant consent to leave early and finish watching the game at home on TV (We’ve been through this before, and it is not a pretty picture: winning gracefully is not an option for ND fans.)

    So we escaped from the burning city and didn’t look back: and lo and behold, Stanford won, after ND was whooping it up, certain of their victory, Stanford struck with a long pass and hit a FG with no time left. It was sweet. And no parking lot incidents. For us at least.
    Sorry, ND fans, you better hit the beads.

    God bless, First Sunday of Advent today,

  • @Steve Phoenix

    Fascist, Socialist and Communist… take your pick, for they are the face of an ever growing disease trumping the once God fearing citizen.

    Good is bad and black is white, as the children look to leaders that teach government as the sovereign King to guide and protect.
    The Obama administration is a classic example. Affordable Care Act?
    Watch this traitor take our guns away by presidential edict… or at the very least try.
    This is a sick hot mess when a rogue Muslim is voted into the oval office.
    Worse of all, the minions who support him are buying the lie to their own demise.
    Unbelievable.
    Bernie Sanders will continue to poison the land with pro-Socialist agendas and John Q public will lap it up like a dog eating it’s own vomit. If Sanders get the chance that is.
    We are in a world of hurt.
    Red White and Blue turning into a big fat red star if Americans don’t wake up.

  • Steve.

    Funny post.
    Michigan State fan’s are rowdy?
    Hummm. OK. I’ll give ya that one.

    Have a great Advent season.
    Way to Go Stanford!

  • I had been a “subway” ND fan for nearly 50 years. Not so much since Obama 2009.
    .
    However, for “hooliganism”, ND fans have nothing on my once-Catholic alma mater’s (which I will not identify). For example, when I was there, Brother President felt compelled to write a memo decrying students’ characterizations of our arch-rival’s mascot’s “occult dietary habits.”

  • @T.Shaw

    “Occult dietary habits.”

    It’s Sunday. Your being very respectful.
    A gentlemen, I’m certain.
    Occult dietary habits…

  • Philip,

    Thank you. However, the quote was precisely Brother President’s phrase.

    And, you will hear a diversity of opinion regarding whether or not I am a “gentleman.”

  • 🙂

    Interesting phrase from brother President.

    Thanks for the correction. The phrase was conjuring up some different images. Of course knowing the mascot’s idenity would help.

    As for the compliment.
    I’ll stay with it. I’ve read your comments for over three years. I believe gentlemen is fitting.
    After all. Praying for the conversion of sinners and ND, is a noble request.

  • Why spend a small fortune to send your beloved offspring to Notre Dame to lose their souls when they can do it for less at a state university?
    Has no one heard of the inestimable Thomas Aquinas College in Santa Paula, California? That should have been at the top of that list and the others designated as “Catholic?”.

  • Do they have a football team(St Thomas Aquinas College)?

    (Just kidding, KMBold: as you know the Jesuits dropped major level football at most of their uni’s years ago as a supposed “definition of their character”: it was I guess an effort to make them like what S. Ignatius wanted. In the end that didn’t matter, noble ideals, lofty thoughts, mens sana in corpore sana: Because, as my Jesuit and very excellent priest & chemistry professor used to pointedly say (and he wasn’t talking about chemistry), as he stared us in the eye, “Everything naturally seeks its lowest energy state.”

December 7, 1865: Thanksgiving

Monday, November 23, AD 2015

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Andrew Johnson kept up the precedent of his predecessor in making a Thanksgiving Proclamation.  However for some reason he set the date on December 7, the only time Thanksgiving has been celebrated on that date.  His other Thanksgiving Proclamations were for the last Thursday in November and the tradition held until the Great Depression when FDR altered it to the fourth Thursday in November.  If Johnson had established a new tradition in 1865, then seventy-six years later Americans would have had another reason to be enraged by the Japanese sneak attack.  Here is the text of the Proclamation:

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  • “And I do further recommend that on that occasion the whole people make confession of our national sins against His infinite goodness, and with one heart and one mind implore the divine guidance in the ways of national virtue and holiness.”
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    We need our current President to say the same.

  • Scenes from the trenches.

    I have been written up twice by my liberal co-workers, for asking our residents to bow their heads for a Thanksgiving meal prayer.
    Seriously.
    The management has given me two written notices of warning to dismiss, if I do not stop this practice. The family’s that pay good money to keep their parents living here have stood by my convictions to the point of writing letters to allow a communal pray be given at the beginning of only one dinner per year…thanksgiving day prayer.

    The management team countered with a rule to gather prior to entering the dining room for those who wish to give thanks to God on Thanksgiving Day. Unreal huh!

    The two homosexual’s that complained were gitty that I was reprimanded for my offerings of Prayer.

    Happy turkey day for the homosexuals, as for God fearing men and women.. Happy Thanksgiving to you.

Quotes Suitable for Framing: Adolph Hitler

Sunday, November 22, AD 2015

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We are Socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions. In the future there must be no ranks or classes, and you must not let them begin to grow in you!

Adolph Hitler, May 1, 1927, Berlin May Day Speech

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  • This needs to be shoved in the face of every godless liberal progressive Democrat. They are no different than their Nazi forefathers.

  • Literally, I have blocked a Socialist that I deal with on a daily basis & her socialist friends on a social media site. All they know how to do is yell & scream & insult. 2 days later, I went to lunch with another Socialist–rode in her car to go through the drive through to get fast food, and the 2nd Sociaist yelled & screamed & insulted & threatened me over my experience with the first Socialist–to the point where I thought I might need to defend myself physically. The 2nd Socialist tried to drag me with her car when I tried to get out of the car–locked the child safety locks to keep me from being able to get out or yell for help to those whom we were passing–and told me that she was “going to tell everybody how crazy” I am. If there had been other witnesses and/or if I had my phone & cud have recorded the incident to law enforcement–I would have pressed charges. By the way, both of these Socialists are high school social studies teachers. One got a venereal disease while camping out with Occupy Wallatreet–the other states plainly that she agrees with Communists ideology. The Communist is teaching Civics to students–year after year after year.

  • The key part of that socialism rant by Herr Hitler, was the always default words: ‘in the future.”
    Call me when it works, though we are about to see it accelerated world-wide with this three-pronged “global-warming/new ice-age/climate change” agenda being birthed in the UN in a few weeks.
    This pope’s call for nations to (re)distribute the wealth defies this Catholic’s understanding of the clear violation of subsidiarity–which Pius XI call gravely wrong.

  • Are you positive the above quote wasn’t taken from the DNC platform? Both ideology’s have the diabolical as the author.

  • All liberals are fascists. And, they are all for big, controlling government. Regarding progressives’ enthusiasm for statist coercion. Walter Lippman wrote, “Their weapons are the coercive direction of the life and labor of mankind. Their doctrine is that disorder and misery can be overcome only by more and more compulsory organization. Their promise is that through the power of the state men can be made happy… Throughout the world, in the name of progress, men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals, are unanimous in holding that government with its instruments of coercion must by commanding the people how they shall live, direct the course of civilization and fix the shape of things to come. …the mark of a progressive is that he relies at last upon the increased power of officials to improve the condition of men… the only instrument of progress in which they have faith is the coercive agency of government.”

  • I think it’s rather de trop to try to stick post-war social democrats or post-1965 new age liberals with the bill for Hitler and Mussolini. The Nazi Party, the Fasci, the Ustase, and the Iron Guard were all rather dissimilar to the more conventional authoritarianisms of inter-war Europe and the only post-war movements which have much of an affinity for them would be certain varieties of Arab nationalism and a transient mob-macho strand of politics in Central America.

  • Art, the Sangh Parivar in India is also moving in that direction.

  • Art, Nazism is widely regarded as a right wing movement, and I view that as incorrect. Just as Mussolini started out as a socialist, Hitler was always authoritarian in his economic views. He always regarded former Communists as better Nazis than those converts from mainstream German parties, and one of his few recorded regrets from his bunker in 1945 is that he did not enact a more radical, socialist economic agenda. Hitler and Stalin had much in common, and the longer they ruled the more alike their states became. A true right wing dictator of the period by comparison is Franco, who privately never had any use for the Nazis, even though their help was quite useful to him during the Spanish Civil War.

  • “Hitler and Stalin had much in common, and the longer they ruled the more alike their states became.”

    Just like the end of sin is death (on a massive scale,) the end of Socialism is death (on a massive scale.) It may take a while to get there –but the end result is death.

    The rate of death by govt increases as the depth of Socialist/government control increases.

  • A very fine line people. Avery fine line. Barbara, you need new friends!

  • “The Communist is teaching Civics to students- year after year after year.” Barbara Gordon.

    And homeschooling is frowned upon.

    The shame must be shared with the parents of said students if they haven’t engaged their children via homework or meal time recaps of the days affairs.

    As Jeanne R. pointed out; time for some new friends indeed.

  • Nazi was short for National Socialist, wasn’t it? As Philip says – compare the contents of this speech to the DNC platform or for what your typical leftist agitates, and see how similar are the two. If the socialist shoe fits….

  • Art, Nazism is widely regarded as a right wing movement, and I view that as incorrect. Just as Mussolini started out as a socialist,

    I agree with you that the shorthand which lumps the Nazi Party etc in with a grab bag of dissimilar tendencies is inane and often vicious. Now look at what your commenters have done with that implicit observation.

    We’d be well advised to read Alvin Gouldner and Thomas Sowell if we want to understand the political pathologies of our age, not the political pathologies of my grandmother’s young adult years. The precedent for today’s pathologies may be found in the Spanish Republic, not Hitler’s Germany.

  • What’s in a name? A rose by any other name would smell the same, and so would a stink weed. They are all of the same species, Statists. Those who seek to establish a man-made heaven on earth though government coercion know no bounds. Any level of control achieved whets an appetite for more. Hitler, Lenin and others started out with violent and strident takeovers, while more timid Bolsheviks without bullets nibble away at our liberty.

  • “Barbara, you need new friends!”

    These 2 were work acquaintances, only. I was never “friends” with either of them. My contact with them has been through a work related organization–but I have ended that as well.

    I never brought up my disagreement with their political views–they were the agressors on that matter. Again, I have ended all in-person contact with either of them. I don’t have time for unnecessary drama.

  • “And homeschooling is frowned upon.”

    “The shame must be shared with the parents of said students if they haven’t engaged their children via homework or meal time recaps of the days affairs.”

    The Communist/Socialist yelled & screamed and said that the Nazis & the govt of the former Soviet Union never called themselves “Socialists.”. She told me that I didn’t know what I was talking about–that she was a “historian.” *rolls eyes* May God help the children under her in Civics & Economics.

  • I call them Totalitarian Types (or “Ti Ti’s” for short. ) I’ve a good friend, a very nice person, who is an admitted liberal Democrat. A socialist, I suppose, though we’ve never spoken in depth about politics or economics. We’ve avoided that issue. I note he has a craving for order and control. I cannot understand why, as I think it makes him miserable.

  • DJH,
    .
    I have a craving for order and control – my order and my control. My mentor in a 12 step program told me that was simply my alcohol-ISM (I, Self and Me) coming out. My priest-confessor (his 12 step mentor) had the audacity to agree.
    .
    😉

  • William P. Walsh.
    ” They are all of the same species, Statists.”
    Who do these people think they are?
    You nailed it!

    Barbara Gordon.
    Aquantice only! Thank goodness.
    Historian’s like her “hang the heroes and lament the scoundrel’s.” I’m guessing her brown shirts are clean and pressed.

  • Everything the left spews is deceit. To compare Americans seeking to preserve their unalienable rights to life, liberty and property with Nazis is complete calumny. Opposition to Bolshevism/world communism may be the only area of agreement among the US right-wing (no one counts as American the lunatic Bund) and Nazism may have agreed. That opposition is the worldwide, useless idiots’ gravest execration of Hitler.
    .

  • Iraqi Christian’s were sent back to Iraq per the Obama administration. No safe harbor.
    Obama pushes for Syrian refugees regardless of vetting issues, to take safe harbor in the US.
    Adolph Hitler laughing his arss off at the irony of it all.
    Nazis and Liberals might not be the same thing, but the Muslim brotherhood is loving all of it! All of it!
    You can’t write this stuff up.

  • My friend’s wife grew up in the Soviet Union and came here shortly after it went bust. She says that the Soviets were not communists, they were socialists. It is not what one calls oneself, it is what one is. Communist = Socialist, Nazi = Socialist, Liberal = Socialist, Progressive = Socialist, Democrat = Fill in the Blank.

  • said that the Nazis & the govt of the former Soviet Union never called themselves “Socialists.”

    Seriously?!? Whether or not they in fact fit some definition of “socialist,” they most certainly did call themselves such: National Socialists (Nazis) and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). I mean, it’s right there in the names!! Liberals/socialists were never really good at facts.

  • “Seriously?!? Whether or not they in fact fit some definition of “socialist,” they most certainly did call themselves such: National Socialists (Nazis) and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). I mean, it’s right there in the names!! Liberals/socialists were never really good at facts.”

    My thoughts, exactly. Ronald Reagan was quoted as saying that the problem with liberals is that they know so much–that simply isn’t so.

    This self identified daughter of a Cuban Communist, who also fully supports Communism, became incensed when I answered her questions, honestly. She said that social security and Medicare were Socialism –and demanded to know if I agreed with those policies. I am very libertarian minded on many issues (I want the govt to leave me & others alone as much as possible.) I am tired beyond words of the govt forcibly taking my money (just try not paying Medicare & social security taxes on your income in most states & watch what happens!) and misspending/misappropriating it–then demanding more of my money!! When I told this Communist that I did not agree with the govt being in the retirement & insurance business by forcibly taking money people have earned-it was more than she could deal with. She literally went beserk. It was at that point that she told me to get the “F” out of her car–and then refused to let me out when I refused to take such treatment. Liberals (in the modern pooitical sense of the term, i.e. Bernie Sabders) don’t have logical explantations of their political views–all they have is pure emotion & mantra to back up their views–and when liberals are challenged on those views–the cognitive dissonance is likely to make them behave in very strange ways. That is why I simply block them online. The Bible says that you are foolish to answer a fool in the foolish manner in which the fool addresses you (Book of Proverbs.)

    With my conservative/Constitutionalist/libertarian combination of political views and my religious faith/practice–I constantly hear & see viewpoints/actions, etc., with which I do not agree–but as I don’t see it as my purpose in life to force others to agree with me–I just go and do my job/live my life, etc., to the best of my ability. I had listened to these Socialist/Communists for almost 2 years & not said a word of my disagreement until directly asked. I guess this Communist has never had anyone disagree with her views before (maybe?).

    My biggest concern is these type folks’ reflexive response to listening to something with which they disagree–almost without fail–they act to shut down the free speech rights if those with whom they disagree. They simply will not allow speech with which they disagree. This type of reflexive behavior concerns me for the students who are under their authority in their classes. If they must shut down adult speech with which they do not agree by personal attacks & intimidation of the adults with whom they disagree—what do they do with their students?!?

  • “All liberals are fascists. And, they are all for big, controlling government. Regarding progressives’ enthusiasm for statist coercion. Walter Lippman wrote, ‘Their weapons are the coercive direction of the life and labor of mankind. Their doctrine is that disorder and misery can be overcome only by more and more compulsory organization. Their promise is that through the power of the state men can be made happy… Throughout the world, in the name of progress, men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals, are unanimous in holding that government with its instruments of coercion must by commanding the people how they shall live, direct the course of civilization and fix the shape of things to come. …the mark of a progressive is that he relies at last upon the increased power of officials to improve the condition of men… the only instrument of progress in which they have faith is the coercive agency of government.’”

    Exactly. Govt is god-a very uncompassionate god who does not care if your income is just $2 above the govt’s arbitrary limit set for the receipt of a given service–you won’t get the “help” if you don’t fit in the relatively, politically set, govt guidelines. You also won’t get the help you need from the govt if you don’t have he requisit gender and/or ethnicity.

    Re: govt’s coercive force: It consists of 1. Harrasment 2. Taking your privately owned property 3. Taking your ability to earn a living from you 4. Taking your freedom from you.