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WantedThese Right-Wing Extremists

 

Back during the eighties, Time-Life used to advertise their series on the Civil War with an advertisement showing a Civil War soldier with his rifle pointed at the viewer.  The caption of the picture was stark and true:  If the battle of Gettysburg were fought today, you would be the enemy.

I found that slightly chilling in a historical nerd way.  Much more chilling is that documents are in circulation by our government that designate many of us as enemies of the state.  Go here to Doug Ross @ Journal to read the below article by Michael Snyder who has done yeoman service in compiling the list linked to documents in which government officials give the tell tale signs of those Americans engaging in unpermitted free speech:

 

Below is a list of 72 types of Americans that are considered to be “extremists” and “potential terrorists” in official U.S. government documents.  To see the original source document for each point, just click on the link.  As you can see, this list covers most of the country…

1. Those that talk about “individual liberties”
2. Those that advocate for states’ rights
3. Those that want “to make the world a better place”
4. “The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule”
5. Those that are interested in “defeating the Communists”
6. Those that believe “that the interests of one’s own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations”
7. Anyone that holds a “political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable”
8. Anyone that possesses an “intolerance toward other religions”
9. Those that “take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals”
10. “Anti-Gay”

11. “Anti-Immigrant”
12. “Anti-Muslim”
13. “The Patriot Movement”
14. “Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians”
15. Members of the Family Research Council
16. Members of the American Family Association
17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States “are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-like entity that will be known as the ‘North American Union’”
18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol
19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform
20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition
21. Members of the Christian Action Network
22. Anyone that is “opposed to the New World Order”
23. Anyone that is engaged in “conspiracy theorizing”
24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21
25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps
26. Anyone that “fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations”
27. The militia movement
28. The sovereign citizen movement
29. Those that “don’t think they should have to pay taxes”
30. Anyone that “complains about bias”
31. Anyone that “believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia”
32. Anyone that “is frustrated with mainstream ideologies”
33. Anyone that “visits extremist websites/blogs”
34. Anyone that “establishes website/blog to display extremist views”
35. Anyone that “attends rallies for extremist causes”
36. Anyone that “exhibits extreme religious intolerance”
37. Anyone that “is personally connected with a grievance”
38. Anyone that “suddenly acquires weapons”
39. Anyone that “organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology”
40. “Militia or unorganized militia”
41. “General right-wing extremist”
42. Citizens that have “bumper stickers” that are patriotic or anti-U.N.
43. Those that refer to an “Army of God”
44. Those that are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”
45. Those that are “anti-global”
46. Those that are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”
47. Those that are “reverent of individual liberty”
48. Those that “believe in conspiracy theories”
49. Those that have “a belief that one’s personal and/or national ‘way of life’ is under attack”
50. Those that possess “a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism”
51. Those that would “impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)”
52. Those that would “insert religion into the political sphere”
53. Anyone that would “seek to politicize religion”
54. Those that have “supported political movements for autonomy”
55. Anyone that is “anti-abortion”
56. Anyone that is “anti-Catholic”
57. Anyone that is “anti-nuclear”
58. “Rightwing extremists”
59. “Returning veterans”
60. Those concerned about “illegal immigration”
61. Those that “believe in the right to bear arms”
62. Anyone that is engaged in “ammunition stockpiling”
63. Anyone that exhibits “fear of Communist regimes”
64. “Anti-abortion activists”
65. Those that are against illegal immigration
66. Those that talk about “the New World Order” in a “derogatory” manner
67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations
68. Those that are opposed “to the collection of federal income taxes”
69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr
70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag (“Don’t Tread On Me”)
71. Those that believe in “end times” prophecies
72. Evangelical Christians

Note to the government.  Treat people who are not your enemies as enemies, and eventually, and sadly, they will become your enemies, if only for their own self protection.  A very wise man once noted this in a document that seemingly is not read by many of the powers that be currently in the Federal government:

 

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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Art Deco
Art Deco
Saturday, February 28, AD 2015 9:02am

The fish rots from the head down. Barack Obama has never shown much evidence of critical engagement with opposition viewpoints, which is telling because his civilian occupations involved turning ideas over in his head. His civilian occupations were law and academe, though not notably committed to performing in either realm. Academe is shot through with people who hardly converse with anyone who would question their worldview and fancy that people who might are stupid or refractory. Recall Robert Bork’s assessment of John Paul Stevens: an amiable man whose life was marked by comprehensive social and psychological insularity. Now look at newsrooms. There was a recent assessment done of the Twitter following habits of New York Times employees the upshot of which was that about 90% of them follow no one who might be expected to have an opinion at a variance with the bog standard New York Times employee. The President arrives from and is succored by subcultures composed of smug people who fancy their critics are engaged in classroom disruption and contempt of court.

Paul W Primavera
Saturday, February 28, AD 2015 9:11am

Item 57 includes anyone who is anti-nuclear in the list of extremists and potential terrorists. Its placement here derives from pages 14 and 20 within the document entitled, “Hot Spots of Terrorism and Other Crimes in the United States, 1970 to 2008,” by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). These pages within the document refer to single issue groups which are defined as “groups or individuals that obsessively focus on very specific or narrowly-defined causes (e.g., anti-abortion, anti-Catholic, anti-nuclear, anti-Castro). This category includes groups from all sides of the political spectrum.” The label “anti-nuclear” does not differentiate between “anti-nuclear power” and “anti-nuclear weapons.” There is a significant difference between the two. One can be anti-nuclear weapons and yet be pro-nuclear power, given the megatons to megawatts program (which converted weapons-grade uranium into fuel for commercial nuclear power plants) that Russia and the US used to have before Putin’s escalation of hostilities in Ukraine. The START report, in using the label “anti-nuclear” generically and without regard with detail, promotes confusion.
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Now that said, I have dealt with anti-nuclear power activists in the past (Norm Cohen of Unplug Salem, Dave Lochbaum of the Union of Concerned Scientists, Paul Blanch of Energy Consulting, etc). Not a one of these individuals is a terrorist or even close to being a terrorist. Oh God forgive me for defending an anti-nuclear power activist, but in my experience the one thing which characterizes the majority of these people is left-wing pacifism. I vehemently disagree with them. I think what they are doing is very, very wrong for the country. But they are NOT terrorists, nor can I condemn them for being extremist since I am oppositely extremist.
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As for anti-nuclear weapons activists, they tend to be a horse of a different color as evidenced by 84 year old Sister Megan Rice who last year (I think) broke into a nuclear weapons complex. Regardless of her age, that woman should be locked up indefinitely not because she is a terrorist but because what she did was dangerous to herself and others around her.
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Now article 2314 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church does say:
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Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation. A danger of modern warfare is that it provides the opportunity to those who possess modern scientific weapons—especially atomic, biological, or chemical weapons—to commit such crimes.
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To all those who cite such an article in the Catechism as defense of anti-nuclearism, will you support the down-blending of weapons grade uranium and plutonium into low enriched or mixed oxide fuel for commercial nuclear reactors, converting weapons into electricity and forever making the fuel unavailable for destructive use?
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Or will you rant and rave “no nukes, no nukes” without providing a solution that eliminates weapons of mass destruction while providing low cost, clean, inexpensive electrical power for the benefit of humanity?
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I will wager that most Catholics, having been so poorly catechized in this post Vatican II environment and knowing little to no science and engineering, will sadly opt for Sister Megan Rice’s idiotic and dangerous response.
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🙁
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Yes, I am extremist, and proudly so. I always have been and I always shall be.

Arminius
Arminius
Saturday, February 28, AD 2015 10:23am

Stopped counting when I ran out of fingers to count. I truly don’t recognize my country any more.

Steve Martin
Saturday, February 28, AD 2015 11:39am

This isn’t the country that I grew up in…not even close.

William P. Walsh
William P. Walsh
Saturday, February 28, AD 2015 12:06pm

Perhaps I should be typing this under a pseudonym and from an undisclosed location. It would be easier to count the inapplicable categories. Analogous to an individual person, America has lost her faith. She is in danger of being led by devils and losing her soul. How do we save her?

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Saturday, February 28, AD 2015 1:57pm

Perhaps I should be typing this under a pseudonym and from an undisclosed location.

The NSA already knows who and where you are.

Fortunately, they’re mostly preoccupied with online porn and snooping on celebrities, significant others, exes, etc., etc. to know that they know.

William P. Walsh
William P. Walsh
Saturday, February 28, AD 2015 6:06pm

“The NSA already knows who and where you are.” Yes Ernst. I know they know and they know I am an old duffer about whom they have little concern. This is despite my falling under so many categories of their alleged concern. I think the list is established as a sort of fictional foundation – an artifice – for the creation of unprecedented bases of probable cause. (Donald: I invite your informed comment, as no lawyer am I. I am merely Irish and you are both.)

T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Saturday, February 28, AD 2015 9:56pm

Not only are we all terrorists, each of us likely violated two or three laws or regulations this day.

William P. Walsh
William P. Walsh
Saturday, February 28, AD 2015 10:43pm

At least that of crimethink. I’m probably guilty of that often. For me, the chore is to “be angry but do not sin”. Next Sunday we’ll hear John’s telling of Christ’s cleansing of the Temple, a reminder that if some things do not make one angry. one is a lukewarm drink of water. Of course there are limits to anger. A just person uses his temper, while the unjust one loses it. Whether one loves is an intellectual decision. Whether one likes is an emotional response. If I were to say that I do not despise the dictator. I merely find him to be despicable. I describe an emotion beyond my control, not a decision to despise anyone. Or is that a fine Jesuitical distinction? 🙂

Barbara Gordon
Barbara Gordon
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 2:38am

I almost posted the link to the 72 above on your post a few days ago re: Osama’s (misspelled on purpose) definition of a terrorist that came out of their recent summit of “violent extremism.”

Barbara Gordon
Barbara Gordon
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 2:44am

At this point in our nation’s history, if you are not on some government “nut” list, you should truly be ashamed of yourself!

I know I am after the letters (emails) I have sent to former Arkansas Senators Blank (misspelled on purpose) Lincoln and Mark Prior (misspelled on purpose)–as well as President Osama. I have told all of them that I hope that god brings them to account for taking money from me and using it murder children through abortion. To their ilk, those comments label me as a REAL nutjob

Barbara Gordon
Barbara Gordon
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 2:52am

They only truly become concerned about those of us who actively & publicly stand up against them or seem to be effectively doing so. Then out comes the gov’t baseball bat.

Barbara Gordon
Barbara Gordon
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 2:55am

A plain example of this is when the IRS began actively using its power to work against conservative groups that potentiqlly were impacting elections nationally. Wham! The IRS took at the baseball bat & pulled out all of the stops to hinder their political enemies.

Philip
Philip
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 4:40am

Bring it on!
I’m ready you gov’t. cowards.
“Give me freedom or give me death!”
The traitor will perish, but those who strength is found in God and of God will never die.
Bring it on!

Cthemfly25
Cthemfly25
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 5:41am

America is an ideal, not a homeland. At some point we as a people became bored with the wonderful and exciting experiment known as ordered liberty. Now we are simply living in a place we call America, in a progressive ideal of socialist order and, for now, soft stifling relentless tyranny…..and most of our fellow citizens rather enjoy it.

Michael Paterson-Seymour
Michael Paterson-Seymour
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 7:15am

Barbara Gordon wrote, “To their ilk, those comments label me as a REAL nutjob.”
With a name like Gordon, you really should not be using “ilk” to mean “sort” or “type.”
It means “same,” as in the old poem:
“The cap he wore was crimson red,
And of that ilk his morning gown.”
Or in the Parable of the Talents: “He wha had gotten the five talents gaed, an’ coft an’ trocked wi’ that ilk.”
Maitland of that ilk = Maitland of Maitland (Scots Law required that every landowner be designated by his fief; a tacksman leasing the lands of Maitland would be Smith at Maitland.)

Art Deco
Art Deco
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 9:51am

MPS, it’s not Mrs. Gordon’s fault that you’re not familiar with American idiom.

William P. Walsh
William P. Walsh
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 10:13am

Oh well! What’s a misplaced idiom among friends? Our greatest concern is with the idiocy in our present public policy. We may need to change the national anthem to: “By the sea, by the sea, by the idiocy”.

Mary De Voe
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 12:04pm

Here I am Lord. I come to do your will.
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On Saturday, February 28, on EWTN at 6:30 P.M. Heroic Media presented the fact that scientists have determined that the female egg chooses which one, and the only ONE, of the millions of sperm she will allow to enter and fertilize her. Awesome, the female has a right to choose. Of course, this was only after the woman became a wife and invited (see the word “invited”? “Invited” means to bring into life.) her husband, who was busy husbanding, to offer himself up to father.
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Hey fellas, your mom wanted you and only you, and nobody else but you. Yes, the male sperm is a body, a human body part, as is the female ovum, a human body part that cannot be patented, bought or sold. Your mother wanted the unique person who would be fertilized and become you, only you, nobody else, no other, but you.
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According to Rebecca Taylor at Mary Meets Dolly in her blog Meet Gracie Crane, a snowflake baby, there are 44,000 IVF children in the UK whose mother did not get a chance to choose but were forced into human bondage by a scientific experiment.
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The more we learn the closer we get to nature. Saint Thomas Aquinas was given many graces but he, too, believed that the whole and entire human being, a microscopic child, was encapsulated in the male sperm and was placed in the womb. Many people today believe this error. Roe v. Wade did not believe that the sovereign person did exist in the human being at fertilization. A little over a century ago, scientists learned about the female egg. Now scientists have learned that the female egg chooses who she will allow to fertilize her and bring forth a unique individual human being with sovereign personhood. The human being cannot be alive without his soul and his will to survive, his free will, intellect and his right to life.
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It follows, that, if the female egg cannot find an appropriate suitor among the millions of sperm surrounding her, then, she will suffer death and pass. This cannot happen when the scientist punctures the female ovum and inserts the sperm with a hypodermic needle. The scientist removes the natural course of events, denies the human soul and the female ovum’s right to choose whom she will entertain as the father of her child. This reduces the human being to a piece of merchandise to be manipulated at will…the will of the scientist. Not unlike Hitler’s youth camps that forced young people to generate more Aryans. Without God, “We, the people” are doomed.
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“We, the people” are here because our fathers went searching and our mothers chose. Awesome.

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An ASPCA ad recently promised “eternal love” from an animal, this was a dog, if a donor gives $18 a month. How does a finite dog give eternal love?

Philip
Philip
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 12:06pm

Add the marching band of The Immaculate Heart of Mary School to the list. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL1NOW12AI20150227?irpc=392

Courage to do what an Archbishop couldn’t, or wouldn’t do. God bless the school and the children.

Homosexuality is a disorder.
Love the sinner….

Anzlyne
Anzlyne
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 3:39pm

I read about the marching band Philip- and what the band director (Brother Peter Mary) said:
“It’s not a matter of intolerance, we’re not intolerant because we reach out to these people,” Brother Mary said, “but in an official capacity, there has to be some type of line or else people don’t know the difference between error and truth or morality and immorality, or any particular thing that would put them in a state of compromise where we want to actually help them to save their soul or become better or more virtuous citizens of this country and of the church.”
Very good. The Brother is an example of fearlessness for us all. We are all going to end on one “list” or the other. I hope I end up on same roll call as Brother Peter Mary.

Philip
Philip
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 3:49pm

Amen Anzlyne!
I hope I’m as courageous as Bro. Peter Mary and the young ones defending Holy Churches position.
A line indeed…for the salvation of souls.

Philip
Philip
Sunday, March 1, AD 2015 6:06pm

Mary De Voe asks; “How does a finite dog give eternal love?”

……oh please don’t hate me for this…..

Answer: Doggie ( style ) 🙁 bad Phil bad Phil.

Mary De Voe
Monday, March 2, AD 2015 11:15pm

Philip: Doggie (style) Good Phil, Good Phil.

Barbara Gordon
Barbara Gordon
Thursday, March 5, AD 2015 9:22pm

“Barbara Gordon wrote, ‘To their ilk, those comments label me as a REAL nutjob.’ With a name like Gordon, you really should not be using “ilk” to mean ‘sort’ or ‘type.’l

Uh. I didn’t post that comment anywhere.

Barbara Gordon
Barbara Gordon
Thursday, March 5, AD 2015 9:25pm

Lol. I apologize. I finally found where I DID post those comments. 😀

Barbara Gordon
Barbara Gordon
Thursday, March 5, AD 2015 9:37pm

“An ASPCA ad recently promised ‘eternal love’ from an animal, this was a dog, if a donor gives $18 a month. How does a finite dog give eternal love?”

Mary, the ASPCA has been taking over by the same “ilk” of animal rights extremists as most other major US animal rights organizations (like the Humane Society of the US.). Those folks truly believe that a dog= a human. They believe animals have souls & spirits. NO I am not kidding.

Barbara Gordon
Barbara Gordon
Thursday, March 5, AD 2015 9:49pm

MPS wrote: “Barbara Gordon wrote, ‘To their ilk, those comments label me as a REAL nutjob.” With a name like Gordon, you really should not be using “ilk” to mean ‘sort’ or ‘type.’ It means “same,” as in the old poem”

Dude. Ilk does mean the same in American usage. It usually means the same type.

http://grammarist.com/words/ilk/

PS. The name of Gordon, of which I am very proud, came from my father. Interestingly enough, my father was a combination Scottish, Irish, & Cherokee (native American.) I have strictly English & German heritage from my mother. (semi-typical American combo! Lol)

Michael Paterson-Seymour
Michael Paterson-Seymour
Friday, March 6, AD 2015 3:19am

Barbara Gordon wrote, “The name of Gordon, of which I am very proud…”
As well you might be. Famous throughout Scottish history, at the Reformation, the Gordons remained the principle Catholic clan in the North-East Highlands (along with the Leslies, Irvines and Setons); their traditional enemies, the Forbes, along with the Keiths, Frasers and Crichtons sided with the Reformers, leading to many a foray and raid.
The 2nd Duke was “out” in the Jacobite rising of 1715 and fought at Sheriffmuir and, in the ’45, Lord Lewis Gordon raised two Jacobite regiments that distinguished themselves at the battles of Inverurie, Falkirk and on the fatal field of Culloden.
I am myself of immigrant stock; the Seymours originate from St-Maur-des-Fossés in the Île-de-France.
On my mother’s side, an ancestor of mine, Susan Gardner (Sabia Begum) married Mirza Anjan Shikoh, son of Shahzada Mirza Suleiman Shikoh of the Delhi Imperial Family. He was the grandson of Padshah-e Hind (Emperor of India) Jalal ad-Din Abu´l Mozaffar Mohammad Ali Gauhar Shah Alam II (1759/1788). That makes me a lineal descendent of Genghis Khan.

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