“A Pope Conservatives Can Love?”

 

Last December, S. E. Cupp wrote an op-ed “A Pope Conservative Can Love”  in the New York Daily News in which she stated:

While liberals will revel in ideas that Pope Francis is reforming the church to their liking, and condemning conservative values in the process, it’s actually fairly easy to see his mission as the opposite. He’s arguing for a church with limited powers, reduced bureaucracy and lean, local governing.

 

Conservatives should say “Amen to that.”

Having mulled over that thought for a while, The Motley Monk decided he can’t say “Amen” to that.

Why?

Ms Cupp’s lens for “conservative” in social, political, and economic theory, doesn’t apply to ecclesiology. That fundamental misunderstanding causes many conservatives to fail to call out the liberals in the Church who continuously argue for “limited powers, reduced bureaucracy, and lean, local government.” Doing so enables them to manipulate local bishops and dioceses into doing whatever they, the liberals, want them to do.

This is what happened in the Church during the “liberal” pontificate of Paul VI. The “conservative” pontificates of John Paul II and Benedict reversed this trend, re-centralizing doctrinal authority in Rome, where it belongs. That was good for the Church, and it was also conservative.

Conservatives should say “Amen to that.”

 

 

To read S. E. Cupp’s op ed, click on the following link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/pope-francis-conservative-article-1.1544344

To read The Motley Monk’s daily blog, Omnibus, click on the following link:
http://www.richard-jacobs-blog.com/omnibus.html

15 Responses to “A Pope Conservatives Can Love?”

  • That idea of subsidiarity in the governance (application of moral judgment) of the Church would be great if all the shepherds were true shepherds following the One Holy Spirit – but many are following the Spirit of the Age.
    When God gave Peter the Keys, He did not authorize several different sets.

  • Atheists like Ms. Cupp really should stick to their own knitting.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._E._Cupp

  • Ms. Cupp knows not of what she writes. This is all too common in America today.

  • I’m not sure I’d go so far as Motley Monk to say that religious conservatism necessitates centralization, but I agree that Cupp’s attempt to apply political standards to ecclesiology is terribly misguided. First of all, it’s been like since 1989 since we’ve had an infallible President….Sorry, had to go for the easy joke. But it makes sense that an atheist doesn’t think in terms of supernatural grace and protection, and any church model without those things is going to miss the whole point.

  • The Catholic Church was established by God, not by
    Thomas Jefferson. Nor is the Church a democratic
    institution by the people, of the people and for
    the people. The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body
    of Christ, not the People’s Temple.

    I’m very concerned about Pope Francis’ desire to decentralize
    the Church, which could split of the Church into many different
    parts, where the enemies of God and His moral teachings will
    assume control. This could be very dangerous.

  • Yes It seems the Church is in mortal danger from the inside and out.
    To the outside world ithe Church may be thought of as a cohesive group of individuals who accept same premises for life and faith. Given that view of the Church all the bishops would be equal in their faithfulness to the same Teaching… Ms Cupp’s misapprehension of us is understandable.
    Meanwhile we intermural players have loved the idea that “catholic means here comes everybody” – which is true – sinners of all persuasions- but it also means here come the repentant. We used to be known for our guilt for heaven’s sake, until we were persuaded that guilt itself was the bad thing, much badder than the sin which was only a peccadillo.
    Some think “here comes everybody” is somehow a statement of democracy.Today’s Church is not a band of pilgrims seeking the Truth together under Authority. . No .We are protestant. Every man has come to think for himself without depending on the Holy Spirit driven Wisdom of the Church.
    All the more need for our hierarchical system of order and authority. I wish every parish would start an in depth study of the Book of Moses. Who you will remember as the Lawgiver. Not as the Facilitator.

  • “he Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ, not the People’s Temple.” Franco: The communion, the communio, the community is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Son of Man, in community, in communion, in communio with His Father in heaven, on earth and under the earth.( “Under the earth” is the proof of purgatory in scripture.)
    This community, this communion, this communio is the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Blessed Trinity.
    The Blessed Trinity is the First Family, the One and only communion with God and with man for salvation.

  • I found this capital “T” floating around in the ethersphere so, here, to give it a place: Christ drove The Money Changers out of the Temple because They were Talking in Church.

  • This is a rewrite of the above comment:
    The communion, the communio, the community is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Son of Man, in community, in communion, in communio with His Father in heaven, on earth and under the earth.( “Under the earth” is the proof of purgatory in scripture.)
    This community, this communion, this communio is the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Blessed Trinity.
    The Blessed Trinity is the First Family, the One and only communion with God and with man for salvation.
    Only in the Holy Spirit, the Love that proceeds from the Father and the Son is community for the Mystical Body of Christ, the Catholic Church realized. Jesus Christ, the perfect man Who is born of the Immaculate Conception, loves His Father in heaven perfectly. This perfect love of the Father for His Son, Jesus Christ is the Love WHO creates community in the communion of the Church.
    The perfect love WHO proceeds from the Father and the Son begets the Body of Christ, the Church, the Sacraments and is called the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, The Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity.
    Fallen man, broken, can do nothing but pray for the love and mercy of God to bring about his existence and salvation.
    If the gay agenda, the atheist, the pornographer, the child abuser, the murderer, will not apply for love from God, I am sorry to have to say this: He will have to go to hell.

  • Bl John Henry Newman makes an important point, “I say the Pope is the heir of the Ecumenical Hierarchy of the fourth century, as being, what I may call, heir by default. No one else claims or exercises its rights or its duties. Is it possible to consider the Patriarch of Moscow or of Constantinople, heir to the historical pretensions of St. Ambrose or St. Martin? Does any Anglican Bishop for the last 300 years recall to our minds the image of St. Basil? Well, then, has all that ecclesiastical power, which makes such a show in the Christian Empire, simply vanished, or, if not, where is it to be found?”

    He adds, by way of historical explanation, ” But, anyhow, the progress of concentration was not the work of the Pope; it was brought about by the changes of times and the vicissitudes of nations. It was not his fault that the Vandals swept away the African sees, and the Saracens those of Syria and Asia Minor, or that Constantinople and its dependencies became the creatures of Imperialism, or that France, England, and Germany would obey none but the author of their own Christianity, or that clergy and people at a distance were obstinate in sheltering themselves under the majesty of Rome against their own fierce kings and nobles or imperious bishops, even to the imposing forgeries on the world and on the Pope in justification of their proceedings. All this will be fact, whether the Popes were ambitious or not; and still it will be fact that the issue of that great change was a great benefit to the whole of Europe. No one but a Master, who was a thousand bishops in himself at once, could have tamed and controlled, as the Pope did, the great and little tyrants of the middle age.”

  • The Catholic Church is the Mystical
    Body of Christ
    Fr. William G. Most
    “Speaking of full membership in the Church, Pius XI
    in his Encyclical on the Mystical Body, said it is the
    society of those who have been baptized, and who profess
    he faith of Christ, and who are governed by their bishops
    under the visible head, the Pope, the Bishop of Rome.
    The Church came into being when Christ died on the Cross,
    but it was formally inaugurated on Pentecost, when He sent
    the Holy Spirit as He had promised. St. Paul speaks of all Christians
    as members of Christ, so that with Him, they form one Mystical Body
    (Cf. 1 Cor 12:12-31; Col 1:18; 2:18-20; Eph. 1:22-23; 3:19; 4:13).
    St. Paul did not use the word Mystical. It was developed more recently
    to bring out the fact that this union is unique, there is no parallel to it.
    It is not the same as the union of a physical body, nor that of a business
    corporation.
    The Church, the Mystical Body, exists on this earth, and is called the
    Church militant, because its members struggle against the world,
    the flesh and the devil.”

  • I have to admit, I have a soft spot for the Conciliar Movement.

    Just like I have a soft spot for the Dual Monarchy.

  • “The Church came into being when Christ died on the Cross, but it was formally inaugurated on Pentecost, when He sent the Holy Spirit as He had promised. St. Paul speaks of all Christians as members of Christ, so that with Him, they form one Mystical Body”
    .
    The Resurrection of Jesus Christ proved that Jesus was a perfect human being, born of the Immaculate Conception, an innocent man. Death, being the wages of sin, had no hold on Christ, Hell refused Christ entrance. Salvation was accomplished on the cross. The Holy Spirit fuses mankind into the Body of Christ.
    .
    “The Church, the Mystical Body, exists on this earth, and is called the
    Church militant, because its members struggle against the world,
    the flesh and the devil.”
    .
    The Mystical Body of Christ is the Church triumphant, the Saints in heaven, the Church militant on earth and the Church suffering in purgatory. Souls who wish to belong to the Catholic Church on earth, as the Church militant is, must embrace the whole Catholic Church, in heaven, on earth and under the earth.

  • If someone should ask, Bill, what kind of conservative are you?…………………..
    I might answer, Altar and Crown.

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