PopeWatch: Who Does This Jesus Guy Think He Is?

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From the only reliable source of Catholic news on the net, Eye of the Tiber:

Novi, MI––A new poll out today shows that about half of Catholics in America still disagree with the Second Person of the Trinity’s stance on gay marriage. The automated poll, commissioned by the USCCB, asked 10,000 Catholics whether they agreed with Jesus’ objection to gay marriage. Of those polled, half said they disagreed with Jesus’ stance because they believed an objection to someones’s freedom of choice was unchristian. When one man polled was asked to rectify the apparent disparity between his belief in the inerrancy of God’s word with his objection to the the inerrancy of God’s word in regards to homosexual unions, he asked, “What does inerrancy mean?” Another woman was asked whether she believed Jesus was unchristian in his stance on gay marriage; “Oh you mean Jesus, Jesus…like as in Jesus Christ,” she responded. “I thought you were talking about that nice Mexican man who sits in the back of church with his family. I was gonna say…he doesn’t seem like the judgmental type.”

Pope Francis made clear where he stood, sort of:

“Matrimony is between a man and a woman,” the pope said, but moves to “regulate diverse situations of cohabitation (are) driven by the need to regulate economic aspects among persons, as for instance to assure medical care.” Asked to what extent the church could understand this trend, he replied: “It is necessary to look at the diverse cases and evaluate them in their variety.”

 

 

17 Responses to PopeWatch: Who Does This Jesus Guy Think He Is?

  • Yuck yuck yuck.
    You know, I realize that we are trying not to be nasty, but why can’t we indulge in comedy akin to what the liberal media does to us?
    I mean, this is snarky and low key and all, but the morons who criticize the Church really ARE this stupid. Why can’t we call them on it?

  • This previously mentioned recent poll at catholic culture had over 50% but 50% of regular Mass goers.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20621

    It’s a combination of many Catholics holding scripture at arm’s length throughout their life ( like the last three Popes on Rom.13:4… chuckle chuckle) combined with many families having one gay relative at Christmas ergo let’s accept it lest it destroy Christmas, Thanksgiving etc.

  • “I mean, this is snarky and low key and all, but the morons who criticize the Church really ARE this stupid. Why can’t we call them on it? ”
    .
    Put the ax to the root.

  • Mary De Voe -
    “Put the ax to the root”?
    Say, you must be taking lessons from the Pope!
    Can you please expand on/clarify what you mean?
    I mean, I really want to go Dagger John on their asses! Where can I find people of a similar mindset?

  • Pope Francis comfortable with evaluating certain civil union arrangements because “driven by the need to regulate economic aspects among persons,…” Yet, Humanae Vitae shows Pope Paul VI was “genius was prophetic, he had the courage to side against the majority, defend moral discipline…”

    Don’t contraceptive proponents say contraception is “driven by the need to regulate economic aspects among persons,…”?

    Pope Francis is right in pointing out Pope Paul VI’s strong spine. Although, I’m surprised he didn’t say Humanae Vitae’s position on birth control was “casuistry, which he described as a superficial, pharisaical theology focused exclusively on particular cases.”

  • God gave us Pope Francis because we want non-committal, wishy-washy, tickle-the-ears, don’t judge me, Bill Clinton waffling nonsense. Whatever happened to the St Paul attitude – “I admonish you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to hand such a one over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh that his soul may be saved on the last day.”

  • Well,…be ready for tomorrow’s Meet the Press with Cardinal Dolan because Pope Francis may glitter by comparison….

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Cardinal-Timothy-Dolan-Meet-the-Press-Michael-Sam-Pope-Francis-249042261.html

  • This New Yorker is laughing hysterically!

    “Well,…be ready for tomorrow’s Meet the Press with Cardinal Dolan because Pope Francis may glitter by comparison….”

    A hearty, hip, hip, hooray! From the northern burbs “blessed” by his leadership, or is that “blasted”….where are those glasses?

  • CatholicsRock!: “I mean, I really want to go Dagger John on their asses!”
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    Your vulgarity is offensive and out of order.

  • “Bravo” is perfectly appropriate IF someone would come out and state they are gay and chaste forever. But I’m not hearing of that dual statement in these comings out. Dolan is gregarious conviviality taken to an extreme.

  • Mary De Voe
    Sorry if you find my phareology offensive.
    The question still stands – What do you mean by “Put ax to the root”?
    Look, to me it’s all well and good that the people here are all in the choir together, singing from the same prayer book, whining about attacks on the Faith and citing historical references like some sort of irrelevant Jeopardy contest.
    But when are any of you people going to DO anything about, other than rifling through Google and typing furiously?
    I guess my question is, where is there a group of people that I can find that will put the fear of God in the media elites, and elicit the proper level of respect that should be shown to my Faith and my fellow Catholics.
    I had hoped I found it here, but frankly, since all I have heard is a lot of sputtering, I can see that most of you are devoted to pushing hot air around.

  • In this secular Country people want what they want for their own enjoyment and selfishness. They should look at nature which God made. the swans mate for life and they are male and female. The birds and all the animals so that we can reproduce .gays and lesbians cannot. In my opinion they should have their genes and cronazomes checked for XYZ if there is a fault have it fixed . they are challenging Gods law .if they are Catholics then they are hypocrites and really cannot call themselves one of Jesus followers.

  • So where specifically did Jesus condemn gays in the Bible? Homosexuality doesn’t seem to be covered in the 4 Gospels by Jesus…Jesus does say ‘If you want to avoid judgment, stop passing judgment. Your verdict on others will be the verdict passed on you. The measure with which you measure will be used to measure you.’

    I agree that homosexuality is a sin according to the the Bible, but so is lying, cheating, deception, all sex (pardon procreation), drugs, and a host full of other things we can pull from Leviticus. I’m a sinner, you’re a sinner, and so is every person you will ever meet…homosexual or saint.

    Seems like the Pope is right about where discussion of abortion, gay marriage and contraception need to go: “It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time. The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.”

    Please if you disagree with my statements; answer my 1st question.

  • @Steven, I’m confused. Homosexuality isn’t condemned because it’s not in the 4 gospels but it is sin according to another book of the Bible? Are the 4 gospels the only authoritative source? If not, then you’ve answered your own question.
    IMO, Jesus condemns no one. Those who refuse to repent condemn themselves. “Repent from what?” is the question. Some wrongly believe participating in homosexual acts is not something requiring repentance.
    The pope was not saying we should not talk about these issues. We need to make sure we discuss all temptations to sin. We can walk and chew bubble gum. However, certain sins need greater emphasis because they are the closest threat to salvation due to relevancy in our time.

  • “Homosexuality doesn’t seem to be covered in the 4 Gospels by Jesus…”

    Homosexual conduct certainly is:

    Mark 7: 20-23 :“What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

    Saint Paul, an apostle called by God, went into more detail:

    1 Corinthians: 6: 9-10: “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

    “I’m a sinner, you’re a sinner, and so is every person you will ever meet…homosexual or saint.”

    Correct, and it is poison for us not to pretend that our sins are not sins, which I believe is at the heart of the gay rights movement.

    “The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.”

    The Pope also says in regard to abortion:

    “Among the vulnerable for whom the Church wishes to care with particular love and concern are unborn children, the most defenseless and innocent among us.

    Nowadays efforts are made to deny them their human dignity and to do with them whatever one pleases, taking their lives and passing laws preventing anyone from standing in the way of this.

    Frequently, as a way of ridiculing the Church’s effort to defend their lives, attempts are made to present her position as ideological, obscurantist and conservative.

    Yet this defense of unborn life is closely linked to the defense of each and every other human right.

    It involves the conviction that a human being is always sacred and inviolable, in any situation and at every stage of development.

    Human beings are ends in themselves and never a means of resolving other problems.”

  • So where specifically did Jesus condemn gays in the Bible?
    .
    Jesus said: “I came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it” “…not one jot, not one tittle…”

  • Dear Catholics Rock: You say, ‘I can see that most of you are devoted to pushing hot air around’. I’ve been a visitor to these precincts a while and have not seen much hot air. I have seen much light directed at various topics. “So let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.” In polite terms, what do you mean by your reference to the late Archbishop John Hughes?

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