Bravo to Bill O’Reilly for taking note of Caroline Kennedy’s phrase “as a Catholic woman” before she attacked pro-life laws passed around the country in legislatures controlled by Republicans. O’Reilly recognized this as a direct attack on the Catholic Church. Of course this is all part of the Democrat party’s attempt to promote a de facto schism in the Church in America for political advantage. As I have noted many times this isn’t merely an election year for American Catholics. This is an Elijah on Mount Carmel year. A time of choosing is upon us.
As for Ms. Kennedy, a sample of her in action without a teleprompter:
Update: I suspect that our readers already understand this, but the video of Caroline Kennedy above is an edit of a 30 minute interview she gave in 2008. During that interview she used the phrase “you know” 168 times.
The dear Cardinal will need to hear confessions tonight. There are over a dozen CINO’s who need to be forgiven.
the problem being they don’t think they are doing anything wrong..May God’s mercy be upon them!
“as a Catholic woman” !!! unbelievable. how could she be so confused.
I hope others in the media will join Bill O’R in pointing this out.
this is incoherent thinking! dopey.
This Democrat Party is in the face of the Catholic Church. Why? How did this happen? And Catholics make up the single, largest voting block for the pro-abortion party! What makes those Catholics think they are not sinning staying in the Democrat Party just like those who join the Nazi Party or the KKK?
In that second clip, she said “you know” so many times, that I’m surprised she had anything to say – if , y’know, we already know.
What an illitierate – and she thinks she can get into the US Senate? God forbid.
“This Democrat Party is in the face of the Catholic Church. Why? How did this happen?”
Please, allow me to introduce you to the US Catholic Bishops. God have mercy on their souls.
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it’s also the nonchalant, zombie-like way she says it. very creepy.
i have no idea what JFK’s position would’ve been since it wasn’t a national issue when he was president…i tend to think, possibly cynically, he would’ve followed the same trajectory as his brother though i don’t know for sure. maybe his liberalism would’ve superseded his Catholicism. that seems to be the case with most of these folks with very few exceptions.
as an aside i saw a clip of Crist and had to roll my eyes too at the “GOP left me” canard, where he referred to Reagan’s “optimism.” this is the moderate/liberal revisionism, where the most conservative president in our post-WWII history (who liberals hated with a passion and likely still do but don’t let on as much) is reduced to some generic patriotic symbol. well optimism and “pragmatism” of course. you notice when Democrats die they get lauded for their principles? it’s OK for them to be ideologues cuz it’s the right ideology. Jonah Goldberg’s made some good points on this.
A divorce Catholic who remarries cannot receive communion but people like Caroline, Pelosi, Leahy & Biden who believe in any type of abortion can. How is that possible? I am really disgusted with Caroline.
“I am personally opposed to abortion, but I cannot impose my morality.”, the schism in the Catholic Church, invented and proposed by Robert Drinan, led the Kennedy family down the treacherous path they now follow, the imposition of immorality.
Some people were looking for a way to compromise their morality with abortion. Drinan’s slippery slope has led the government to force citizens to fund and subsidize abortion, to which they are morally opposed, and now contraception, infanticide and euthanasia. To silence objectors, Catholics are being disenfranchised and defamed. Catholics are being betrayed by Caroline Kennedy.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.—-Thomas Jefferson
CAROLINE IS TYPICAL OF THE CAFETERIA CATHOLICS WHO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE IN, SHAME ON CAROLINE
I’m not an American Catholic. I’m a Catholic and an American. And the fact that families like the Kennedy’s represent the face of our Church to this nation is very disturbing and shameful.
After reading all these comments I am glad I watched the tennis mathes instead of the convention. I do not like to watch a bunch of satanic people speaking against God and his plan for his children. The Kennedy’s have all given their hearts to Satan. Just look at all the tragedys in their families. May God have Mercy on them.
It is the TIME to storm heaven with prayers and fasting. For those of you who don’t pray the rosary, pick one up and learn how to do it. We are at a crossroads and the drought in this country and the storms are warnings to us to repent and return to God. Be in a state of grace, go to confession and be prepared.
So will her priest give her the Eucharist. Probably, because of whose daughter she is and the money behind that name. I am a Catholic convert, who is seriously considering Orthodoxy now (of the Eastern kind that is.) I cannot believe the spinelessness of the Catholic Bishops.
Many seem to be stunned that many of these ‘Catholics’ seem to have been improperly Catechised. You are correct in your observations. This unfortunately took place, by the failure of the shepherds to LEAD. Many became wolves and either DEVOURED or allowed the flock to be scattered. This destruction of souls was foretold repeatedly by warnings from heaven. LaSallete! Fatima! Faustina! Because these warnings fell on deaf ears, we will now live out the message of AKITA. Chastisement comes to the whole world. Scoffers, laugh now while you can, seekers of truth, stand and wait, as promised it comes. Pray for mitigation!
Can you imagine seeing these Cinos faces on judgement day… Sounds like heaven!!!
How can someone be pro-abortion and Catholic? The doctrine of the Catholic Church is “LIFE”. All religious leaders in every church in the USA, are “Obligated” to promote “Life” and tell their congregation,before the November election, to vote in accordance with “Life”, not DEATH>This election is an election which will segregate the goats from the sheep. Let’s vote in accordance with God and His Son and his sheep.
Your poor grandmother will roll over in her grave.
My, my, what an intelligent, you know, argument, you know, from a, you know, Catholic woman, you know. Jackie (an editor) must be flipping in her grave, you know. And at least we didn’t have to read and see all of this with Jack in office — although we’ve found out he was really just a hypocrite, you know.
The Kennedys do not get it. These dead branches are being cut off because they produce nothing but dead fruits. To whom much is given, much is expected.
The Pope has recently stated that if you can’t believe what is not debatable in the Catholic Church you should be intellectually honest and leave. This woman is a fraud the same as Biden, Pelosi, etc. It is time for the Bishops to get some backbone and refuse Communion to these people or excommunicate them.
Silence on the issue generally in law means acquiescence. If they don’t say anything about this then they appear to be agreeing with the person making the statement. This is serous because these individuals get national attention.
Some quotes from G.K. Chesterton and others:
“There are an infinite number of ways to fall, but there is only one way to stand.”
“Be careful not to be so open-minded that your brains fall out.”
“Take away the supernatural and what remains is the unnatural”
“When men cease to believe in God they do not thereafter believe in nothing; they believe in anything!”
“Today, having a clear faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism. Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of one’s ego and desires.” — Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became pope)
Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household. (Matt 10:34-36)
St. Athanasius is the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.” The following quote has been attributed to him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”
2 + 2 = 4 NO MORE NEW MATH! Regardless of your feelings…the above equation is fact.
Do not call yourself Catholic if you do not follow her teachings….especially The Most Important One of our time….abortion.
This is it. You can not walk the fence. Your “grey areas” are over. Choose your camp, or be vomited out as Holy Scripture points out. By saying 2 + 3 = 4 doesn’t make it so because the culture says it does. If your Catholic than start acting like it, and go to confession and be free from the popular culture that chooses death over life.
When you continue this kind of socialistic logic to its conclusions it is not hard to figure what is in store for us just down liberal lane. In fact it is already here.
Since college girls are assumed to be entitled to have all the sex they can cram into four years of study and the cost of personally choosing to prevent their bodies from functioning normally to this heightened involvement with the sheer pleasure associated with nature it is now considered to be the obligatory responsibility of taxpayers to pay for their choice of personal physical fantasy and casual sexual pleasure one way or another until they are out on their own looking for work in a jobless market, what is next?
Well then some other liberal government run system of healthcare like Planned Parenthood can take over the job and gladly kill off any inadvertent normal consequences (Obama calls them punishments) that happen in the anti-natural process. Rest assured by the two fisted combination of government run media and liberal theocracy their choices will be protected from any religious or moral theology.
After that the plan currently on the medical horizon now is that should they decide to attempt to retrain their bodies to function normally and hopefully produce offspring as their bodies were designed to do they will be allowed to review the net results (about to be defined as a Non-person by liberal lingo) and if they are not satisfied with the appearance, sex, or health of the IT they, with rights of ownership, can request that IT be disposed of BEFORE or (the latest argument) AFTER BIRTH should the owner not be satisfied with her product up to a year or so without penalty, would you believe?
Socialism touts pleasure without pain or penalty, in practice it is convenience without conscience
She tries to exonerate herself and others like her…..she doesn’t have the authority to do so in the first place…..she can only use the laws of the Church thus she is not a Catholic but a “protestant”. By Church law she has personally excommunicated herself. She could be commiting a sin against the Holy Spirit in stating that the Church has no authority from God to tell her that she is in sin by influencing others to evil. Recently Pope Benedict has asked those who try to abuse the Church from within to get out.
The Kennedy’s as a whole have practiced the Catholic Faith their way. They would be better off as an Episcopalian rather than damage the Church by their actions. They are hypocritical when they hide behind the Catholic Faith and ignore the teachings of that religion. Personally, I think she and all so-called Catholics should be excommunicated formally.
My dear Caroline, how is possible for you to be so confused? It boggles my mind. It is so unbelievable to hear you call yourself a Catholic. Being a Catholic means also being a Christian, meanwhile it is ok for you to kill babies. Do you not know what it means to be a Catholic? Given your comments, sad to say, I believe you are neither a Catholic nor a Christian. May God have mercy on you and your family. Remember…your children and your children’s children will have to bear your sins.
Her first drastic error—–saying “as a Catholic woman…”. Roman Catholicism respects and values each and every life, from conception to natural death. Obviously, calling herself Catholic is the epitome of betrayal to the Catholic religion. Where is our church Heirarchy and why aren’t they addressing this type of scandalism, the Carolyn Kennedy’s, Nancy Pelosi’s, etc. ????
Cardinal Dolan, the wonderful distinguished clergyman from my home state must have had nightmares as a result of being on the same stage after her. May our God bless and forgive her.
This ( public pro abortion Catholics) is an entirely hierarchy matter on which the hierarchy for some reason chooses inaction largely… maybe because they feel acting will not stop one abortion but it will likely deliver dissenters into hell forever. Fraternal correction by laity requires that repentance as being very possible in the other person but it may differ for hierarchy. Christ rebuked the stubborn while telling disciples not to cast their pearls before swine which He seemed to be doing. It’s a complex area.
Abortion is condemned infallibly not in the universal ordinary magisterium which is susceptible to debates but it is manifestly infallible in the extraordinary venue which is beyond debate ( canon 749-3(c)). Therefore Bishops and the Pope can excommunicate such verbal offenders while only physical participants are excommunicated automatically under canon law.
Here is the infallible declaration whereby John Paul II polled the world’s Bishops under him and got unanimity which is the alternative to ex cathedra in the extraordinary magisterium:
Evangelium Vitae, section 62:
“Given such unanimity in the doctrinal and disciplinary tradition of the Church, Paul VI was able to declare that this tradition is unchanged and unchangeable. Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, in communion with the Bishops-who on various occasions have condemned abortion and who in the aforementioned consultation, albeit dispersed throughout the world, have shown unanimous agreement concerning this doctrine-I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written Word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s Tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium.”
Catholic laity are frustrated with hierarchy seeming passive but maybe hierarchy see excommunications of pols as stopping virtually no abortions but surely delivering pols into damnation due to the improbability of their repentance. They can be incorrect in such prudential judgements but they also could be correct. Now the pols may be damned nonetheless but that might be a smaller number if some gradually change over their lifetime rather than digging in their heels after excommunication.
One thing’s for sure. We the laity don’t have as many souls to weigh as to damnation.
I just read her speech. There’s not much to say about her Catholicism that hasn’t been said already on this thread.
The other thing that struck me was how badly the speech was aimed. She was talking to “the youth”, because, you know, she’s a kid, and she knows that kids have fond memories of the early 1960’s. She’s over 50, and she probably doesn’t have clear memories of the early 1960’s, but kids today apparently do. It just doesn’t make sense.
Dear Caroline,
You are a HYPOCRITE and a SCHIZOPHRENIC!
You cannot be Catholic and pro-abortion.
How ignorant can you be? Take a basic course in why Catholics believe what they do. Then go to confession and repent. Time is short.
Your soul is in grave peril. May God have mercy on you.
catholic carol in canton
I understand Niel Diamond song ” Sweet Caroline” was inspired by her. She should read Eleanor of Aquitain’s tomb stone. Like the corpse of Eleanor, Caroline does not smell so sweet. She and those like her are not Catholics. They just have a microphone and a stage And suffer vain egotism too think they represent us and the Catholic church. And who is at fault for that! the Bishops who’s job was to publicly excommunicate them long ago.
One thing that should be done for the sake of the immortal souls of such people like Ms Kennedy and the likes of Palosi, Kerry , Biden, etc, is that their bishops should have a conversation with them that by taking a public stand as they are ,they have excommunicated themselves from the Catholic Church. As their chief shepherds it is their obligation to warn them of their precarious spiritual situation. It not have to be done publically. Possibly some have done so and if so you are doing your obligation. To those bishops who are not may you find the grace of getting a backbone.
Most Catholic Politicians are a joke, will Paul Ryan follow in their footsteps? Shame on our Bishops for even considering voting for these people. This DNC Convention says it all as to how low they will go to keep in power. The abyss is ever widening for these people. Everytime they put “Catholic” in a sentence I feel ill. This truly is a schism being created by our government via the Catholic Church. God is mercy on all who fall for it.
There is no such thing as a proabort catholic! why are these peoples priests and bishops not callng them out on this. You cannot believe in abortion and be a true catholic!!!! these people are crazy! Everyone person who promotes, gives proabort speeches, agrees with this murdering of our own species is just as guilty, with blood on their hands, as the person who
DOES the actual abortion! These people need to be TOLD that right to their face.Do they believe as they walk to receive communion that JESUS just pats them on their heads and says. “That is ok how you feel, you are still Worthy to receive me!!!!!! Murder is a mortal sin!! Espousing it IS a mortal sin! Teaching young people that abortion is ok ia a SIN! We are called to pray for these misfits , but I cannot respect ANYONE who really believes abortion is ok. I wil never vote for a prochoice politician. Does not anyone see that abortion is our Biggest societal failling!. Our country will Never be restored while half
of the country is screaming for this so called RIGHT. We will continue to be slammed in all ways, Until we give up this sin!! God will NOT bless us anymore until we STOP!!!!
Please do not call her a Catholic: she isn’t, and God have mercy on her soul for the mortal sins she has accumulated in her lifetime as did most of the Kennedy clan: a sham representing catholic politicians…..yu know? (what was that all about?)
It is far too late in these social justice debates with outright disobedience and political correctness approaches to today’s perversions of human behavior and betrayal of biblical truth for our hierarchy to simply urge the Laity into action. Our actions are of little consequence within the media and for the most part futile if we do not have the weight of authoritative clerical discipline and/or pronouncements supporting our voices.
Unless we witness prominent church officials and bishops condemning, defrocking and excommunicating these self styled ruling class individuals who present themselves as equally prominent laymen and/or politicians who openly challenge church law while imposing pain and suffering on the people with ill fated self endowed elitist rhetoric and socially lethal legislation the laity will continue to be recognized and labeled just as our president assumes us to be, uneducated uninformed homophobes clinging to our guns and Bibles.
It is spiritually inhumane for hierarchy and church leadership to not display promptly and publicly their condemnation of obvious Evil policies and practices by groups and individuals calling them by name defining the consequence of their actions for the discernment of the faithful as we would expect from truly devout shepherds.
technically speaking, an excommunication does not have to be public. However; as these people are public people and there crimes against God and humanity are out in the open and
manifest they cause grave scandal. More than Ms. Kennedy soul is at stake. For the sake of those who fall into hell because of their bad example justice demands that the church publicly excommunicate.
The talk is private and results are not satisfactory, the rules of repentance demands a public recantation of errors. John the Baptist called Herod out publicly, the early church excommunicated publicly and the modern Church censors and excommunicate in its diocesan publicly. That is correct Bishop’s do publish actions against faithful in the church new papers and bulletins and release prohibitions to local national and international catholic publications.
“My people, you cannot fulfil your mission if you live the ways of the world. Those of you who choose to destroy marriages that are blessed by Me will be brought to your knees for any marriage that is destroyed by sin is destroying Me. Each time My chosen sons deny the true teaching of My Church and live their ways instead of Mine are destroying Me.
“Each time a mother aborts her baby and chooses herself over her unborn child is destroying Me. My people, I suffered My scourging at the pillar, My persecution, and I stood and watched while others spoke false things of Me and yet I did this for you. My agony in the garden was a suffering of the sins that you now pierce Me with. I was sent by My Father to shine My light into a world that had been plagued with darkness and this darkness is soon to be cast into hell for all eternity. Just as I gave My angels in heaven the free will to choose My way or theirs, so you too are given the same opportunity, yet My angels were only given one chance, you are given a lifetime.
“My people, those of you who choose to step ahead of Me will be sent to your eternal destination of eternal fire. My kingdom does not welcome sinful souls. My kingdom does not welcome the unrepentant sinner. Just as your hands work left to right so does My way or the world’s, there is no in-between. You cannot walk the middle line and claim you are My disciple.”
Extracted from ‘Words From Jesus, As given to Jennifer by Jesus’, Message of 15th October 2004 8:00 PM
Caroline and others who are enmeshed in the culture of death, cannot and should not even hint that they are Catholic. They cannot and should say “. A Catholic is a follower of Jesus Christ, not Jesus Christ except for what I don’t agree with for myself. There is only one truth. The truth of Christ and the Word have not changed.
May the blood of Christ’s passion and the blood of all aborted babies stand between Barack Obama and his reelection. Amen.
The only ones they are fooling are themselves. There surely isn’t a person on earth who doesn’t know that murdering innocent babies in the womb is the gravest of sins! As the Blessed Mother has referred to abortion – the most egregious of sins – the one most offensive to God! How can anyone with a heart, a soul and a brain justify it? It is beyond arrogance. It is absolutely painful to hear these pro-abortion people describe themselves as Catholics. Please take the Pope’s advice and at least be honest with yourselves and move on.
The Kennedy’s were looked upon by other countries before John died to be a model catholic family. They have their own priest, they all go to church. The falling down for me started with few words from John as president when he said, I will never listen to the pope something to this effect. His fame, successes was short lived. He was only the president where the whole world cried and mourned when he died. The other falling away was the separation then Ted getting married while ex wife was still very alive. I am not sure if Chappaquiddick happens first. It seems as if they never got up and gather themselves to show once again that model catholic family I saw when I was 23.
She is “catholic” in her mind only, unless she is using the term as “universal” and not as in “Roman Catholic”. Canon Law is very clear…anyone who has, or helps, or encourages in anyway, another person to have an abortion is automatically excommunicated. No formal statement needed from any church authority.
May God continue to have mercy on all our souls, and bring us all to have right judgment and true charity in our actions!
PAX
Classic example of why it’s better to remain silent and be thought stupid than to speak and remove all doubt. You know?
No, Caroline, we don’t know how you can be Catholic and a pro-abort Democrat. In fact, we have no idea. You know?
Mark,
No. That’s the loophole in the automatic excommunication. It’s only for those very involved in a real life abortion. Go here:
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/abortio2.htm
I pray for Caroline, that the Holy Spirit will touch and change her heart with regards TO the SANCTITY OF LIFE FROM CONCEPTION TO NATURAL DEATH as well as TO REALIZE THAT SHE CAN NOT CALL OR IDENTIFY HERSELF AS A CATHOLIC IF SHE IS SERVING THE PRINCE OF LIES, DECEIT AND DARKNESS- SATAN! As a FAITHFUL CATHOLIC deserving a place in Heaven at the end of her temporary earth journey, she MUST OBEY GOD’s WORDS:
Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
Caroline, may God’s Mercy be upon your soul. Repent, convert your life back to the WAYS God wants us to live our lives, that is towards the LIGHT that will save your soul and experience eternal peace and happiness and not towards DARKNESS where you will experience eternal life of suffering and pain!
As i told my wife in 2008, we have passed over to the obama nation of desolation. Just as in ancient times they sacrifice the children and the politicians throw them loaves of bread to keep them content. The schools are terrible and the the people for the most part do not want to follow the Carpenters advice to “take up your cross and come follow me” And while on the subject why do we now worship some “holy” football players who earn millions for working on Sunday?
Kennedy is definitely a rabid pro-abort but she is no Catholic! The door of the Catholic Church swings both ways. Kennedy, and her ilk, value cheap liberal politics over the Catholic faith. Fine! Let her be an important Democrat voice but she is no Catholic voice. The Bishops need to make an example. Enforce Canon 915. It is getting late in America and the Democrat pro-aborts are using the Catholic Church to promote more innocent death.
I was flaborgasted when I heard the comments from Ms. Kennedy. I believe it will be God that will judge us, but at the same time I have difficulty not outrage from the Local Priests, Bishop, Cardinals and Pope. I understand that we have to be “forgiving and accepting” as Christians, but this goes against the doctrine of the church. If the Church does not actively and with purpose condemn this and stand up for “life” who will? I hope this is not done so we “don’t rock the boat” in our political correct world, or worse yet “loose money” from rejecting this pro-abortion stance from so-called “Catholics”!