An Unacceptable Outrage

Since homosexuality in the schools seems to be the hot topic at TAC the last few days, I thought I would bring this to your attention: California’s impending “Harvey Milk Day“.

“The exercises could consist of anything teachers or school board members deem appropriate, including in-class reading and writing activities about the politician, or watching the film Milk. Assemblies teaching homosexuality and alternate lifestyles, cross-dressing contests, or mock “gay” parades and weddings could also take place.”

I have nothing more to say, other than that every Christian family in the state of California should keep the children home from any school in which this perversion takes place.

32 Responses to An Unacceptable Outrage

  • “For the 1st annual Harvey Milk Day, Badger Springs Middle School in Moreno Valley is planning a week’s worth of events. Beginning on Monday, May 17, GSA members will be making daily announcements including quotations from Harvey Milk and statements about how homophobia hurts everyone. During lunchtime, students will be encouraged to attend showings of “Journey to a Hate Free Millennium” in several teachers’ rooms. The GSA will be distributing information and MILK duds, malted MILK balls or MILK chocolate to students. On Friday they plan to show selected segments of the movie, “Milk.”
    •Gabrielino High School GLSBA Club’s hosting a Movie Night! See below for more details.”

    http://gsanetwork.org/hmd

    Apparently the public school system in California, judging from this, is getting out of the education business and embracing the indoctrination business.

  • Somehow I suspect none of the facts listed in the article linked below about Mr. Milk will be mentioned in the school celebrations.

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=113024

  • The item linked to below has to be seen to be believed:

    https://www.trinitystores.com/?detail=608&artist=1

    Any Catholic who has ever purchased anything from Trinity Stores needs to think hard before giving them another dime.

  • I thought the Governator vetoed that bill in 2008? Has something changed?

  • Never mind. New bill. He signed it this time.

  • Snopes outlines the timeline to which I refer above:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/harveymilk.asp

  • What a countrty!

    A public school teacher in LA has twice called for racial war.

    Woodie Allen thinks Obama should be a dictator for a few years so he can destroy the racist, unjust country without having to consult Congress or the courts.

    And, to paraphrase a Marine quoted by the Catholic Cave Man: First sodomy was illegal. Then you could lie about it. I’m getting out before they make it mandatory.

    I blame Bush.

  • wow, this amazes me. It is crazy that in the year 2010 that religious nuts like you are still around. You actually preach and believe the false stories of an old book filled with fairy tales and mythology. You are a prejudice and a racist. If someone is “gay”, why do you care? It doesn’t make them a bad person, they are just attracted to someone of the same sex. Is that so wrong? The majority Christians are so judgmental it is sicking all the way down to the core. You right wing religious people really need to get some sense knocked into you. Read a science book or maybe clear your brainwashed mind and have a intellectual conversation with someone.

  • For a good laugh, I highly recommend visiting “topnotchentertainment’s” blog. Among the howlers: a fetus is nothing more than a “cell” through the first trimester! You can’t make up that kind of ignorance.

  • “You actually preach and believe the false stories of an old book filled with fairy tales and mythology.”

    As opposed to what – the fairy tale that people can do whatever they like, whenever they like, with no consequences for civilization?

    Whether you believe in the Bible or not, it is a fact of history that religion is a stabilizing social force.

    “You are a prejudice and a racist.”

    I’m a prejudice? Really? Way to speak the English, for someone who is so much more intelligent than us ignorant religious barbarians.

    And what the hell does sexual deviancy have to do with race? Are you out of your mind?

    “If someone is “gay”, why do you care?”

    I don’t.

    When you try to force immorality on children, then I do care.

    “Is that so wrong?”

    No. The attraction is not wrong. It’s often the result of deep psychological damage done to children by parents or society.

    But the behavior is wrong.

    “The majority Christians are so judgmental it is sicking all the way down to the core”

    God judges. I just read the rules.

    “Read a science book or maybe clear your brainwashed mind and have a intellectual conversation with someone.”

    Read a history book. Perversion destroys civilizations.

  • Hey, “topnotchentertainment”, we might believe the bible but we aren’t forcing it down the throats of captive school children. Neither are we making it a “Hate Crime” for people to disagree with us. We also don’t visit other blogs and mock and harass the people there for their beliefs. You are a classic Liberal.

  • The last 4 comments were great reading on a sluggish Sunday morning. I needed a good laugh. And thanks, Joe, for a reasonable response to the comedy act.

  • Well, its good for other people who come along. That’s the only reason I do it.

  • You see here that this man was, by our illustrious Chief Executive, awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his 11 months as a municipal councillor.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/President-Obama-Names-Medal-of-Freedom-Recipients/

    (Actually, you read down lists of recipients and you realize that the Presidential Medal of Freedom is so debased it ought to be abolished. Milk’s award is still exceptional for its gratuitousness, however).

  • Religion is a stabilizing social force? More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason….also how is being gay immoral? That is just you judging someone else’s personal preference, it does’t do any harm. You say you read the rules and that god judges. An invincible man in the sky doesn’t judge, it’s the brainwashed people who believe in words of an unproven doctrinaire and twist it around to fit their life style while casting out people who don’t believe them and damn them to a hell that doesn’t exist. Also, I came across this blog while reading up on the story about the nun and the abortion. I wasn’t going to comment but couldn’t hold back. It was after midnight following a 12 hour work day, a minor slip up on typing words is gonna happen from time to time. Yes I am a “classic liberal” if you mean not stuck in the 19th century, judging people negatively because they don’t believe what you believe. A classic liberal in the sense that I see everyone as equals and don’t discriminate or hold down people due to race or sexual orientation. A classic liberal in the sense that I don’t believe in big corporations and the upper class getting better tax cuts than the people below them. A classic liberal in the sense that everyone in this country should be given the chance to afford health care, and if the rich people getting a little tax increase so be it, they won’t feel it very much, maybe they ride around in 1 BMW instead of 2. It is a small price to pay for making this country better. I believe in people, in science. For the comment about saying a fetus is a “cell” on my blog. I was referring to the embryonic period as apposed to the fetal stage which doesn’t occur until around the 11th or 12th week or so. I am proud to be a “liberal” and wouldn’t have it any other way.

  • What the heck did Milk ever do that earned him his own Liberal holy day???

  • After a while, totaling up more reasons why no sane parent would want their kids in California public schools becomes a futile exercise.

    The amusing thing with ‘topnotchentertainment’ here is that he (she?) pushes the caricature of secular liberal knownothingism much father than any actual critic of the ideology could. And it’s seemingly done unconsciously, without realizing how foolish he’s making his beliefs look. Top notch indeed…

  • What the heck did Milk ever do that earned him his own Liberal holy day?

    Victimization is not coterminous with virtue, but you cannot tell that to some people. He was shot dead because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time confronted in a corridor of City Hall with a deranged individual with whom he had had banal issues. For some, that renders him among the tragically unfortunate (like, ahem, Mayor George Moscone, who was killed just prior); for his admirers, he is a martyr.

    He earned a baccalaureate degree. He had a stint in the military. He earned an honest living for twenty-some odd years (in several different trades, but the insurance business, primarily). These are all good things, but I will wager you at least two of three are of no manifest interest to the sort of folk who take an interest in Harvey Milk. He, however,

    1. Was killed, with a pistol, by an off-duty policeman.

    2. Fellated other men for the bulk of his adult life;
    and

    3. Made quite a public point of it from the time he shuffled into middle age.

    There are people who cherish a sense of victimization and identify with Milk; and there are people whose sense of self is influenced by their disposition toward certain mascot groups (of whom Milk is an exemplar). The man’s real (mundane) achievements and good works have been obscured by the disfigurements of his character (sexual perversion, exhibitionism, and an inclination to exploit people for The Cause) and by the vanity and stupidity of the people offering him posthumous admiration.

  • “More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason”

    No, more people have been killed in the name of communism than for any other reason.

    “how is being gay immoral?”

    Listen. “Being” gay is not immoral. Engaging in homosexual behavior is. Why? Because the purpose of sex is both unitive and procreative. If you don’t care about God, you should at least care about the declining birth rates and the spread of disease, among other issues.

    I’m sorry you have such hatred in your heart for God. I will pray for you. I ask others to do the same.

  • Communism? are you for a real?….how about the crusades? the holocaust? try 9/11…..and also being gay isn’t a choice, it is how someone is born. Engaging in homosexual behavior is just as normal to them as heterosexual behavior to straight people…and instead of praying why don’t you use those hands for something more positive. I don’t hate god, that is like saying I hate Santa Clause, you can’t hate something that isn’t there.

  • “the holocaust?”

    Perpetrated by the Nazis who were led by a man who hated Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. His regime was actively hostile to Christianity and Hitler often stated that he planned to “settle accounts” with the Church after the War. If you are going to attempt to comment on this blog please do so without revealing your gross ignorance with every comment that you make.

    “…..and also being gay isn’t a choice, it is how someone is born.”

    Really? Most lesbians indicate that it is a choice they make. Among homosexuals in the seventies the same claim tended to be made. Here is a link for some reading that you might wish to do to broaden your horizons on this topic.

    http://www.queerbychoice.com/choicebooks.html

    “Engaging in homosexual behavior is just as normal to them as heterosexual behavior to straight people…and instead of praying why don’t you use those hands for something more positive.”

    Actually it isn’t. Sex has one biological purpose and that is procreation.

    “I don’t hate god, that is like saying I hate Santa Clause, you can’t hate something that isn’t there.”

    That argument of course is not relevant to God who most certainly is there. I suspect that your obvious hatred of God is caused by your fear that He is there, and you have spent your life spitting in His face.

  • How ignorant and uneducated are you?

    Over 100 million people were killed by communist fanatics in the 20th century.

    A few thousand died in the Crusades, which were JUST wars. Do you know nothing about history? Islam didn’t build its empire in a vacuum; they conquered the Christian Middle East and North Africa, they wiped out Christianity wherever they found it. By the 11th century the Turks were threatening the Greek Christians, and they appealed to Latin Christendom for aid. Combined with the Turks ruthless assaults on Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land, Latin Christendom had every right and duty to check this aggressive foe.

    And the Holocaust? What crack-brained left-wing fanatic told you that had anything to do with religion? Hitler hated the Jews as a race. He didn’t care about their religion, which he saw as nothing but an emanation of their racial characteristics. A Jew couldn’t convert to Christianity in Nazi Germany and be spared – a Jew was a Jew no matter what.

    “Engaging in homosexual behavior is just as normal to them as heterosexual behavior to straight people”

    We don’t believe in relativism, and you shouldn’t either. Homosexuality is the result of social and psychological abuse. I fully agree with those who say it isn’t “chosen” – yet the hypocrites who say that act as if it is a choice that MUST be respected. It isn’t a choice. It’s a defect. So is heterosexual sex addiction. They come from a common root.

    “instead of praying why don’t you use those hands for something more positive”

    Of course, you resort to filthy innuendos because your mind and soul are diseased. Perhaps our prayers will start you on the road to recovery. Your soul will benefit from them, whether you acknowledge it or don’t.

    “I don’t hate god, that is like saying I hate Santa Clause, you can’t hate something that isn’t there.”

    It’s “Claus.” And you do hate God, it is obvious. You hate the idea of man being subordinated to a being higher than himself, because it means you would have to be accountable for the disgusting things you do with your life.

    It’s never too late to repent, however. The parable of the vineyard makes that clear. On your deathbed even, writhing and withering from a diseased lifestyle, you can repent of your sins. Something to remember.

  • Lesbians who say they aren’t gay and just “chose” are just preforming in sexual exploration and not truly gay….and in Hitlers book he was quoted with sayings about his faith and he many times made statements about doing gods work…How can you say God is most certainly there? Have you seen him? Look around the world pal, it isn’t all sunshine and rainbows, it’s a tough tough place…if there was a god you wouldn’t have the evil in this world. The bible it’s self is full of contradictory statements. Jonah living in a fish for 3 days? A woman being created out of a rib?

  • “Lesbians who say they aren’t gay and just “chose” are just preforming in sexual exploration and not truly gay”

    That I am sure will come as a shock to those Lesbians.

    I love it when dime store atheists come here and attempt to pass Hitler off as a Christian. Here are just some of the comments he made against Christianity:

    “The war will be over one day. I shall then consider that my life’s final task will be to solve the religious problem. Only then Will the life of the German native be guaranteed once and for all.”

    “The evil that’s gnawing our vitals is our priests, of both creeds. I can’t at present give them the answer they’ve been asking for, but it will cost them nothing to wait. It’s all written down in my big book. The time will come when I’ll settle my account with them, and I’ll go straight to the point.”

    “I don’t know which should be considered the more dangerous: the minister of religion who play-acts at patriotism, or the man who openly opposes the State. The fact remains that it’s their maneuvers that have led me to my decision. They’ve only got to keep at it, they’ll hear from me, all right. I shan’t let myself be hampered by juridical scruples. Only necessity has legal force. In less than ten years from now, things will have quite another look, I can promise them.”

    “We shan’t be able to go on evading the religious problem much longer. If anyone thinks it’s really essential to build the life of human society on a foundation of lies, well, in my estimation, such a society is not worth preserving. If’ on the other hand, one believes that truth is the indispensable foundation, then conscience bids one intervene in the name of truth, and exterminate the lie.”

    “Once the war is over we will put a swift end to the Concordat. It will give me the greatest personal pleasure to point out to the Church all those occasions on which it has broken the terms of it. One need only recall the close cooperation between the Church and the murderers of Heydrich. Catholic priests not only allowed them to hide in a church on the outskirts of Prague, but even allowed them to entrench themselves in the sanctuary of the altar.”

    “The fact that I remain silent in public over Church affairs is not in the least misunderstood by the sly foxes of the Catholic Church, and I am quite sure that a man like the Bishop von Galen knows full well that after the war I shall extract retribution to the last farthing. And, if he does not succeed in getting himself transferred in the meanwhile to the Collegium Germanium in Rome, he may rest assured that in the balancing of our accounts, no “T” will remain uncrossed, no “I” undotted!”

    “Religion has formed the dividing lines of almost EVERY conflict or atrocity in human history…”

    “How can you say God is most certainly there?”

    Unless you believe that matter and energy can be created ex nihilo by natural processes there has to be a God to set the process in motion. This is a variant to the prime mover proof of the existence of God.

    “Look around the world pal, it isn’t all sunshine and rainbows, it’s a tough tough place…if there was a god you wouldn’t have the evil in this world.”

    Rubbish. God gave us free will. He gives you the complete power to choose evil or good, to embrace or reject Him. It is our free will and our choices that determine the amount of good and evil in this world. Without free will we would be mere automatons.

    “The bible it’s self is full of contradictory statements. Jonah living in a fish for 3 days? A woman being created out of a rib?”

    I think you may have Catholics confused with fundamentalists. We have been analyzing and writing about the Bible for 2000 years and understand the different meanings of passages in the Bible and what is to be taken literally and what is to be taken figuratively. I assume this is news to you because you do seem to be bone ignorant on the subject of Catholicism, judging from your comments.

  • your post has just proved my point that you are nothing more than a judgmental human being who believes in imaginary things and anyone who doesn’t follow your path most be wrong. You might be a nice guy, I don’t know, but I think you are way off on your views. Catholic churches are doing a great job with homosexuality by the way, ask any little boy who has gone to see a priest. I am not an atheist, I am an agnostic. I can not be 100% sure about certain things, but I can be as sure as someone can be. You on the other hand are so certain but have to backbone besides saying it is words from god. I also never said Hitler was a Christian, but that he believed in god. There is a difference.

  • sorry…NO backbone…another slip of the finger on the keep board

  • off topic I have a question. here is a hypothetical someone brought up on another board and was just curious to your response.

    “Here is an example of a debate a good friend of mine and I have. We are both WWII buffs and our parents were directly involved. My father was in the Dutch Navy and became a Japanese POW in March 1942-1945 in the Dutch East Indies. My Mom lived in Holland during the Nazi Occupation from 1940-1945 and saw first hand what the Nazis did to her Jewish friends. Both are athiests and I have been an athiest since birth. My buddy has been a die-hard catholic for over 50 years and went to Catholic school. I posed this possibility;

    “Suppose, just before Hitler died, he thought about all the things he had done. He could’t bare it anymore and spent the last few days of his life deep down in his bunker and prayed for forgiveness. He honestly felt remorse and truely in his heart asked Jesus and God for forgiveness. Instead of commiting suicide, someone actually shot him and burned his corpse.

    My mother, an athiest, lived a modest peaceful life. Raised her children to the best of her ability. (Did a great job I may add). Didn’t hurt anyone, was honest, ethical and did the best she could with what little she and my father had. She passed away in 1996 at 74 years old.

    So, according to your faith, if the Hitler scenario were true, since he was raised catholic and honestly in his heart felt remorse and prayed for forgiveness, would Hitler be in heaven? And since my Mom never ‘Accepted Jesus or God’ and was an Athiest, would she be in Hell?”

  • “Lesbians who say they aren’t gay and just “chose” are just preforming in sexual exploration and not truly gay”

    We agree, though I say that the desire to explore in such ways is disordered.

    “and in Hitlers book he was quoted with sayings about his faith and he many times made statements about doing gods work”

    Nowhere in Mein Kampf does Hitler make a profession of the Christian faith. Pagans believe in God(s). Mystics and new-agers and sorcerers of every stripe believe in some kind of transcendent intelligence. So, general talk about “God” isn’t necessarily Christian.

    “if there was a god you wouldn’t have the evil in this world.”

    You don’t know who God is, or why he created us, so how can you speak of the conditions for his existence?

    Evil comes from the hearts of men, which God made free. God made us free because he wants us to know him and to love him. There is no love without freedom. But with freedom, there is also the potential for evil, for sin. The possibility of love is worth the possibility of evil, and anyone who has ever been in love knows this to be true.

    “The bible it’s self is full of contradictory statements. Jonah living in a fish for 3 days? A woman being created out of a rib?”

    These aren’t contradictions. They’re things you find improbable. You’re just a kid, aren’t you? High school senior? College freshman?

    “your post has just proved my point that you are nothing more than a judgmental human being who believes in imaginary things and anyone who doesn’t follow your path most be wrong.”

    Assuming you meant me and not Don, no, I’m not judgmental. There is right and wrong. Even you have standards of right and wrong. The difference is that I actually don’t judge – God does. In your world view, however, there’s no one to judge but you. You’re judgmental by default. You’ve judge me, you’ve judged the Catholic Church, you’ve judged all of our priests. You’re a hypocrite.

    “You on the other hand are so certain”

    I’m not. I have faith. I think that faith is reasonable, based on what science, the arts, philosophy, and other disciplines tell us about the universe and reality.

    “I also never said Hitler was a Christian, but that he believed in god. There is a difference.”

    I don’t think you understand the difference. And in any case, while Hitler was bad, his 6-12 million murders don’t compare to the 100 million + of declared and explicit atheists Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-Il, etc.

    As for your hypothetical:

    “Didn’t hurt anyone, was honest, ethical and did the best she could”

    Your moral standards, and hers, are not ours. They are completely arbitrary. Who decides what is “ethical”? Who determines what counts as a pain or a harm? Who says that the ethics of a Satanic psychopath are better or worse than those of a secular humanist? No one. It’s all meaningless.

    “So, according to your faith, if the Hitler scenario were true, since he was raised catholic and honestly in his heart felt remorse and prayed for forgiveness, would Hitler be in heaven?”

    No. Though we cannot presume to know where ANY soul has landed (though in some cases it seems fairly certain), the reality is that if his repentance is sincere, then he will likely end up in purgatory.

    Given the magnitude of his crimes against humanity, he will probably have to remain there for a very long time. Contrary to popular assumptions, moreover, purgatory is not a nice and pleasant place. It is a place where the soul is cleansed, it is “purified” it is “purged” (hence the name). This is a painful process. At the end of it, if he reaches the end of it, then I suppose he would eventually enter into heaven.

    “And since my Mom never ‘Accepted Jesus or God’ and was an Athiest, would she be in Hell?””

    Anyone who deliberately rejects God chooses to go to hell. It isn’t even a judgment in the same way that a person who is totally ignorant of God would be judged, or someone who sins but remains oriented to God would be judged. God doesn’t force anyone to love him. He shows us the way to him, and he shows us where the opposite direction leads. We can choose him, or choose hell.

    The little old atheist lady doesn’t get spared from hell because she didn’t believe in it, any more than she would be spared a long fall to her death if she walked off the edge of a cliff in the middle of the night, ignoring all warnings that there was such a cliff not far from where she was, turning away from the torch lights that lead back to the safe path.

    That’s my answer.

  • I think Joe did a good job of answering topnotchentertainment’s Hitler repentence hypothetical, but because there’s occasionally pedagogical value in beating a dead dog, I’d like to expand on it a little.

    An important thing to understand in regards to Christian (and I’m using Christian and Catholic synonymously here, since I believe that Catholicism is the truest and fullest form of Christianity) beliefs about heaven and hell is that they are not merely good and bad places poeple are sorted into in some sort of cosmic rewards system. Heaven is eternity in the direct experience of God and union with Him. Hell is eternal separation from God.

    Thus, heaven and hell involve not just a weighing of sins committed and not committed during life, but a final choice to accept or reject God. We form ourselves for this choice throughout our lives. When we refuse to follow God’s will and routinely set our own will above God’s (through sin), we make it harder for ourselves to choose God at the final judgement.

    So in answer to your hypothetical: If, in the moment of final judgement, the atheist mother, when confronted with the reality of God in the fullest and most perfect form, even then rejected Him, then yes, she would be in hell. And if, in the analogous moment of judgement, Hitler somehow managed to accept God (something I find rather hard to imagine, but for the sake of argument we’ll assume it) then he would at least be on the path to heaven.

    However, you must also understand in this regard the doctrine of Purgatory, which is that no soul tainted by sin may approach God while still attached to its sins. This is understood to be an incredibly painful and difficult process (like a refiner’s fire, to use St. Paul’s metaphore), and indeed Dante’s Purgatorio is not much less harrowing than his Inferno, though it is an intensely optimistic suffering as opposed to the despair that infuses his Inferno. One can only assume that the sort of suffering necessary to burn away Hitler’s sins would be deeply unpleasant and of long duration, since the nature of the suffering would be coming to a full realizion, experience of, and rejection of the evils he had inflicted on others.

    If someone wants to get a better understanding of heaven, hell and purgatory from Christian point of view, two enjoyable sources to turn to are Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle’s SF novel, Inferno and C. S. Lewis’s novel The Great Divorce.

  • The scary thing is the seemingly inexorable drift toward an implicit mandate that everyone MUST accept homosexuality as equally valid to heterosexuality…or else be labeled as ‘intolerant’ and thus illegal.
    Scary.
    On an intellectual aside: fascinating how this has come up so quickly in American culture. It would have been unthinkable 20 years ago that official acceptance of homosexuality in all things would become ‘mandatory’.

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