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	<title>Comments on: Traditionalism vs. Classical Liberalism on Liberties</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Burgwald</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/03/05/traditionalism-vs-classical-liberalism-on-liberties/#comment-13887</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Burgwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that &quot;classical liberalism, with it’s definition of individual rights, was in many ways a reaction to new trends in Monarchy.&quot;

But I don&#039;t think that&#039;s so much the issue. Rather, it&#039;s that the overarching conceptual framework of the natural law was lost in liberalism&#039;s project. Even in the case of those scholars who take issue with classical liberalism&#039;s philosophy of rights tout courte (e.g. Rowland), the broader issue remains the either absent or denuded concept of natural law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that &#8220;classical liberalism, with it’s definition of individual rights, was in many ways a reaction to new trends in Monarchy.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s so much the issue. Rather, it&#8217;s that the overarching conceptual framework of the natural law was lost in liberalism&#8217;s project. Even in the case of those scholars who take issue with classical liberalism&#8217;s philosophy of rights tout courte (e.g. Rowland), the broader issue remains the either absent or denuded concept of natural law.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hargrave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Hargrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnathan,

Have you been reading and stealing my ideas!?

:)

I&#039;ve been saying pretty much the exact same thing, only I&#039;ve put it down as liberalism, classical republicanism, and Christianity - so as not to weigh down the terms too much. But essentially we agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnathan,</p>
<p>Have you been reading and stealing my ideas!?<br />
 <img src='http://the-american-catholic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saying pretty much the exact same thing, only I&#8217;ve put it down as liberalism, classical republicanism, and Christianity &#8211; so as not to weigh down the terms too much. But essentially we agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a pretty interesting take on it, Darwin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a pretty interesting take on it, Darwin.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanjones02</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathanjones02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting to note how much the civic republicanism of the Romans impacted the American founding. We don&#039;t discuss this much by comparison to the French enlightenment and the British thinkers.

Razib Khan recently had an enlightening post related to this in the context of the American founding:

http://secularright.org/wordpress/culture/you-need-to-know-history-to-talk-about-history

I&#039;ve always thought American colonists could be generalized by three strands: Enlightenment thought, moralistic therapeutic diesm (the South used to be paganistic by comparison to the Protestant orthodox North!), and Roman civic republicanism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to note how much the civic republicanism of the Romans impacted the American founding. We don&#8217;t discuss this much by comparison to the French enlightenment and the British thinkers.</p>
<p>Razib Khan recently had an enlightening post related to this in the context of the American founding:</p>
<p><a href="http://secularright.org/wordpress/culture/you-need-to-know-history-to-talk-about-history" rel="nofollow">http://secularright.org/wordpress/culture/you-need-to-know-history-to-talk-about-history</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought American colonists could be generalized by three strands: Enlightenment thought, moralistic therapeutic diesm (the South used to be paganistic by comparison to the Protestant orthodox North!), and Roman civic republicanism.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Deco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane Moczar&#039;s summary of the medieval political order:

&quot;Authority from above, democracy from below&quot;.

You had the communal governance of open-field villages, chartered boroughs, merchant republics, provincial estates &amp; estates-general and a considerable body of customary law.  Within the Church, you had the general chapters of religious orders.  Conciliar, deliberative, and elective institutions were not a modern innovation, and the Church co-existed with them for centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane Moczar&#8217;s summary of the medieval political order:</p>
<p>&#8220;Authority from above, democracy from below&#8221;.</p>
<p>You had the communal governance of open-field villages, chartered boroughs, merchant republics, provincial estates &amp; estates-general and a considerable body of customary law.  Within the Church, you had the general chapters of religious orders.  Conciliar, deliberative, and elective institutions were not a modern innovation, and the Church co-existed with them for centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hargrave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Hargrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Darwin, and you are right.

The rights of Englishmen that were asserted by the American colonists dated back to the Magna Carta, if not further, before even the Norman Conquest. And Jefferson did not &quot;copy&quot; John Locke in writing the Declaration, as so many seem to think. He may well have been influenced by Catholic political thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Darwin, and you are right.</p>
<p>The rights of Englishmen that were asserted by the American colonists dated back to the Magna Carta, if not further, before even the Norman Conquest. And Jefferson did not &#8220;copy&#8221; John Locke in writing the Declaration, as so many seem to think. He may well have been influenced by Catholic political thought!</p>
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