As long time readers of this blog know, my mother came from Newfoundland, and, after my birth in the US, my mother and father returned to St. John’s where we lived until 1961. I would therefore like to take this opportunity to wish a swift recovery to the Premier of Newfoundland, Danny Williams, as he comes to the US for heart surgery.
Public Health Care for Thee, But Not for Me
Donald R. McClarey
Cradle Catholic. Active in the pro-life movement since 1973. Father of three, one in Heaven, and happily married for 41 years. Small town lawyer and amateur historian. Former president of the board of directors of the local crisis pregnancy center for a decade.
How’s that “free” health care working out for you canucks… eh?
Tito,
He is going to have to pay for this surgery, which we all know is scandalous given that it is a human right. In Canada, it would be free! Now, it is true that he might be dead before it is available, but at least he would be entitled to full coverage and treated equally with other Canadians, which is only a matter of human dignity. In the US some people might not have the resources to access such surgery, and yet we allow the privileged rich to benefit from a quality of care not available to others. Justice requires equality! Human beings must be accorded equal treatment, except for congress critters who are more human than others and therefore more equal.
Mike,
So the Canadian system works just fine just as long as they don’t die waiting for it?
Mike, you have a wit as dry as the Sahara! Bravo!
Call me late to the party.
Being naive has its drawbacks, but at least I can laugh at myself!
Tito,
That is where you and I differ. And I try never to laugh at myself — that would be piling on. 😉
Cheers,
Mike
http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/waitlist/cardiac.html
Facts about wait time for Canaddian cardiac patients are shown on link above for anyone interested in the facts.
Anon,
Just read those “facts” and it states that half of the patients are taken immediately.
That means that other half wait. Not to mention it doesn’t state the number that die waiting.
The average waiting times is just under five weeks.
Nope, just like the premier of Newfoundland, I’ll take American health care ANY DAY OF THE WEEK (without waiting) over the Canuckian Peoples Republic of Northern New England.
I guess the Newfie Premier is coming to the US for his surgery just because he likes to travel, eh Anonymous?
“Dr. Robert Roberts, University of Ottawa Heart Institute president, told CTV News Channel’s Power Play that there are no wait times for cardiac surgery in Canada.
“Canada . . . gives superb (cardiac) care,” he said. “Our statistics for complications in surgery are comprisable to the very best in the U.S.”
Anon,
No wait times yet the link you posted show’s a wait time average of just under five (5) weeks.
Like Donald said, so why is it that the Premier of Newfoundland decides to pay out of pocket for surgery in the U.S.?
Facts normally stumpy liberals and their socialist comrades so I can understand your befuddlement.
And if you’re going to post at least post your name.
Why does my posting make you so angry? So..O.K. I am a Lutheran and do tend to be more liberal than most conservative Lutherans here in the Midwest..but such anger for posting a couple of dueling Canadian facts is a bit reactive. Well..I’m off to see what the Baptists blogs are like.
Just call me
The Duke of Dubuque
Anon,
Angry?
By repeating what your link says makes us “angry”?
No one is angry with you Anonymous. You simply refused to attempt to explain why the Newfie premier is coming to the US for heart surgery if everything is hunky dory with cardiac surgery in public care in Canada.
Apparently the procedure that the good Premier is needing here in the United States isn’t available in Canada… anywhere!
When you take away the incentive to advance medical technology you get atrophy in the system.
Hence why many Canadians cross the border for many medical procedures and prescriptions.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/oh_no_canada_lRaE7XngBCNxVFz6y7fnuL
Enjoy!
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/759116–u-s-bloggers-weigh-in-on-danny-williams-surgery
Just adding this article to the mix. It is fun to read the comment section.
Good Day!
Duke
Uninsured U.S. heart patients do not receive heart transplants but are 25% of donors for them according to this ABC News article.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=1514702
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“You simply refused to attempt to explain why the Newfie premier is coming to the US for heart surgery if everything is hunky dory with cardiac surgery in public care in Canada.”
Note, not needed, wanted. Does you insurance cover surgery you want but do not need?
He did need surgery, and he could have gotten surgery, but the particular technique he wanted leaves a smaller scar. That he could not get in his province, and most Canadian doctors do not recommend it.
“No wait times yet the link you posted show’s a wait time average of just under five (5) weeks.”
It shows an *average* of just under 5 weeks for *hospitals*. Several doctors have wait times of less than a week, yet one has a wait time of 11 weeks? Why would anyone wait 11 weeks when he could have the surgery in less than one week? Could it be people wait longer for the best doctor?
Are all doctors in the US the best doctor? Are all the children above average?
Some hospitals have a nearly 5 week wait, one less than 2 weeks. Funny that the hospital with the longer wait has the doctors with the longer wait time. Maybe they are just the best?
Ah, and the median wait is 3.3 weeks, not 5.
“He did need surgery, and he could have gotten surgery, but the particular technique he wanted leaves a smaller scar. That he could not get in his province, and most Canadian doctors do not recommend it.”
Actually Williams said that his doctors recommended that he have the surgery outside of the province. He also made this statement that indicates that wait times for treatment was a factor “I would’ve been criticized if I had stayed in Canada and had been perceived as jumping a line or a wait list .… I accept that. That’s public life,” he said.”
As for wait times, here is a list from the provincial government of Ontario regarding wait times for various types of surgery.
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/transformation/wait_times/providers/wt_pro_mn.html