Are "Lost" Fans Annoying?

Confession: I have never seen a single episode of this show.

Yeah they will be more annoying and thats what I told that guy who I knocked over in walmart to get the last copy of the final season of Battlestar Galactica.

Donald, when I posted on Lost a couple weeks ago, I was positive that a sci-fi guy like you must be a fan… whoops.

1. Lost
2. BSG (reimagined)
3. X-Files
4. ST:TNG

That’s my ranking. ST:TOS is too far behind to make the list.

My list Chis:

1. Star Trek original series

2. Star Trek Enterprise

3. Babylon 5

4. Star Gate

5. Star Gate Atlantis

6. Star Trek Voyager

7. Battle Star Galactica (new)

8. Star Trek Deep Space Nine

9. Eureka

10. Wild Wild West (The show was steampunk 20 years before the genre.)

I’ve never seen Lost, so I do not have an opinion on the show.

Go easy on yourself Art Deco. If you followed Lost from the beginning you would have soon realized that even the writers had no idea what was going on.

Rick, Rick, Rick… ye of little faith.

Darlton have promised us that when the finale airs in May, we’ll see how the mythology was basically mapped out from the beginning.

Everyone — including them — agrees that things got a bit wobbly in S2 and the start of S3, but that’s because there was no end date, and it’s hard to write a story that is meant to move along every episode when you don’t know how many eps you have left. Once the end date was set, it was full-speed ahead.

I’ve never seen one single episode of Lost.

One of my friends tried to justify watching it by saying that you need to be pretty intelligent to watch Lost.

This is the same guy who attends an independent chapel only recognized by the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and is a pre-Tridentine Catholic.

Stargate Atlantis has been surprisingly good, BSG (new) was awesome except for the flimsy whimpering out in the final six months. Angels that have sex? No explanation of why cyclons are monotheistic?

Star Trek Enterprise is the best of the bunch after the original Star Trek.

ST:TNG is like living in Saul Aulinsky’s mind, simply unsustainable and false.

But I have to agree with Don, Q was the only thing worth watching. And I am still surprised that they never made a movie with his character, a la Khan and Start Trek II. I think it would have saved the movie franchise for TNG, but oh well.

Or I would include Wild Wild West as 10. Tie with Angel. Donald is right, great show — the movie just failed in every way possible.

Would that be the real Doctor Who or the new one? Or both?

Tito

While you are probably right about Firefly, I would say he should push on for a sequel. It sounds like Whedon is about to have a series on FX. I don’t see why he can’t make a series continuing after Serenity, using new characters and those who would like to return in it. It could be set several years after the events of Serenity.

It seems to me like there was enough of a reload on the character and backstory of the Doctor that you kind of have to think of them as two different shows.

Still, I’m clearly less dedicated, and I could never really get into the new show. Some of the classic Doctors (Pertwee, Tom Baker, and McCoy) I really enjoyed, though obviously with a near thirty year run the show had its low stretches as well.

I don’t know if I’d try to compare it to other SF shows, in that Doctor Who was always a bit of weird creature, all its own. (Among other things, it didn’t generally even try to do any coherant world building.)

For best SF show, I’d clearly have to list Babylon 5 — though it got gradually weaker in the last season. And it rang true in human terms in a way that Trek shows seldom did.

But then, a lot of the shows listed above (Enterprise, Firefly, Battle Star Galactica, X-Files, Stargate) I never even saw.

Darwin

You might not have seen this:

While there were changes, the show has had a history of them (the first regeneration; the revelation of the Time Lords; the Doctor’s stay on Earth; the Time Lord society as it emerged in Deadly Assassin; the McCoy “Dark Doctor” era; etc); the show is always capable of changing and having all kinds of recon work happening throughout all its years. But there were also true connections between the show (Sarah Jane– Davros even remembering her from when he created the Daleks, etc). It’s the same show, but like the Doctor, always mutating.

Yes indeed, some common ground with MM!

When I made out my list I forgot about Firefly. I love the show, especially Adam Baldwin as Jane, a truly brilliant comedic turn! Much of it is in questionable morality, but I love the post-Civil War West translated into Space theme. It would have been at the third position on my list.

To my mind, the writing had gone pretty seriously down hill by the latter half of the Peter Davison period, and was generally wretched under Colin Baker. I felt like under McCoy things improved again — though it was spotty and in some ways I thought they were trying to take the series in directions it wasn’t good at going.

Looking at the episode list, though, it looks like I only saw two episodes out of McCoy’s first season (both pretty poor), saw all of his second (which was mostly pretty good, though at times very weird) and one episode out of the third, which was okay but not great. (I was watching them as they came out in Britain, and the only way we got copies was through a fan friend who had a Brit format VCR who would make grainy copies of tapes mailed to her by a friend in the UK.)

I think my personal favorite was actually Pertwee, though Tom Baker was also incredibly good. I’m not sure I ever managed to see any episodes with the first two doctors.

The Pertwee years were dominated by the presence of Jo Grant, surely the most annoying companion to date.

Hmmm. I don’t remember finding Jo all that annoying, though she was definitely a screamer. But Pertwee has such style, and he spent the first half of his career paired with The Brigadier, who was just awesome.

Our PBS station only ever showed the Trail of a Time Lord season of Colin Baker, which was one of the few story lines that I disliked so much I would just not watch after the first time through. Though to be fair, my prime Dr Who watching period was aged 10-18, so my judgment may not have been perfect. Of the ones I saw, Colin Baker was my least favorite.

We’re in the midst of watching the Firefly series… I love Fillion (we’re big Castle fans) and Baldwin (now on Chuck).