Comments on: Why is Cardinal George Silent about Abortion in the Current Health Care Bill? http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/01/04/why-is-cardinal-george-silent-about-abortion-in-the-current-health-care-bill/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:26:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: USCCB and John Carr In Denial « The American Catholic http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/01/04/why-is-cardinal-george-silent-about-abortion-in-the-current-health-care-bill/#comment-34614 USCCB and John Carr In Denial « The American Catholic Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:36:50 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=16216#comment-34614 [...] U.S. bishops remain in constant denial of any wrong doings, but time after time, one scandal follows another as the USCCB begins to be resemble more like an appendage of the Democratic Party [...] [...] U.S. bishops remain in constant denial of any wrong doings, but time after time, one scandal follows another as the USCCB begins to be resemble more like an appendage of the Democratic Party [...]

]]> By: Patty Palmquist http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/01/04/why-is-cardinal-george-silent-about-abortion-in-the-current-health-care-bill/#comment-34613 Patty Palmquist Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:16:03 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=16216#comment-34613 Thank you for this good commentary. I have been contemplating some of these questions, too. I have written to my Bishop and the USCCB, but there is only silence. Our Parish has sent out a FAX to all the Bishops with our concerns of the health care reform. To my knowledge, only one Bishop responded to the Fax. I have pondered why there is only a handful of bishops who have spoken on the the Church's teachings of subsidiarity in regards to the health care bill and government take-over. The Stupak Amendment is not 100% pro-life and there is more than abortions which is very troubling in the House and the Senate health care bills. Should not the Bishops be concerned with all the life issues in the health care reform i.e. abortions, euthanasia, cloning, embryonic stem cell research, rationing, sterilization, teen clinics run by planned parenthood, contraceptions, cloning, or any injustice? Certainly, health care can be improved, but it does not require a government take over with individual mandates and loss of freedoms. Any health care reform should do no harm before doing any good. With all the haste, bribery and lack of transparency, I would certainly think this 2000 page plus health care reform is to be avoided. September 2009 I went to a town-hall meeting and my Congressman said this was not about health care but about government take-over and control. I believe he is right. Thank you for this good commentary. I have been contemplating some of these questions, too. I have written to my Bishop and the USCCB, but there is only silence. Our Parish has sent out a FAX to all the Bishops with our concerns of the health care reform. To my knowledge, only one Bishop responded to the Fax. I have pondered why there is only a handful of bishops who have spoken on the the Church’s teachings of subsidiarity in regards to the health care bill and government take-over. The Stupak Amendment is not 100% pro-life and there is more than abortions which is very troubling in the House and the Senate health care bills. Should not the Bishops be concerned with all the life issues in the health care reform i.e. abortions, euthanasia, cloning, embryonic stem cell research, rationing, sterilization, teen clinics run by planned parenthood, contraceptions, cloning, or any injustice? Certainly, health care can be improved, but it does not require a government take over with individual mandates and loss of freedoms. Any health care reform should do no harm before doing any good. With all the haste, bribery and lack of transparency, I would certainly think this 2000 page plus health care reform is to be avoided. September 2009 I went to a town-hall meeting and my Congressman said this was not about health care but about government take-over and control. I believe he is right.

]]> By: Phillip http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/01/04/why-is-cardinal-george-silent-about-abortion-in-the-current-health-care-bill/#comment-34612 Phillip Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:33:34 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=16216#comment-34612 withouthavingseen, Criticize in a constructive way as the non-ordained Catherine of Sienna did the Avignon pope. Truth is truth. The laity has a better sense of the secular order. If there is a problem that the laity discerns in the prudential judgments of the clergy as relates to the secular order, they are within their licit Catholic rights to criticize those prudential judgments of clergy. withouthavingseen,

Criticize in a constructive way as the non-ordained Catherine of Sienna did the Avignon pope. Truth is truth. The laity has a better sense of the secular order. If there is a problem that the laity discerns in the prudential judgments of the clergy as relates to the secular order, they are within their licit Catholic rights to criticize those prudential judgments of clergy.

]]> By: Tito Edwards http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/01/04/why-is-cardinal-george-silent-about-abortion-in-the-current-health-care-bill/#comment-34611 Tito Edwards Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:30:07 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=16216#comment-34611 Ryan, Thanks for the clarification :) I was careful to point out what Cardinal George did in the post without offering an opinion. I placed my opinion only in the commbox because I still don't know where Cardinal George's heart is. Is it with the Democratic Party or is it in the Bride of Christ? Ryan,

Thanks for the clarification :)

I was careful to point out what Cardinal George did in the post without offering an opinion.

I placed my opinion only in the commbox because I still don’t know where Cardinal George’s heart is. Is it with the Democratic Party or is it in the Bride of Christ?

]]> By: withouthavingseen http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/01/04/why-is-cardinal-george-silent-about-abortion-in-the-current-health-care-bill/#comment-34610 withouthavingseen Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:25:16 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=16216#comment-34610 Lol, Tito, it doesn't matter if he were the bishop of Timbuktu, he'd still be successor to an apostle and worthy of the respect of the likes me and you! I know that Cardinal George, much like the Church in general, gets trashed by all sides. That, in my opinion, wins him the benefit of the doubt from me. To clarify, when I wrote "this post is ridiculous," I did not mean your comment in particular, Tito, but rather the initial article and the whole thread of follow-ups. Stupak and a number of others are threatening to kill the bill altogether if they can, rather than let it pass with abortion funding. Remember, reconciliation and closed-door meetings aren't the final step. The suits on the hill still have to vote again and both houses have to pass it, and I see no reason why it will be a perfunctory vote in the House of Reps, where the Democrat coalition is shaky, to put it mildly. Phillip, The USSCB might very well need criticism, as might H.E. Francis Card. George. I know far less about their affairs than they do, and if I knew as much, I still would have a hard time seeing how Christ has ordained me to criticize his ordained ministers. Ryan Haber Kensington, Maryland Lol, Tito, it doesn’t matter if he were the bishop of Timbuktu, he’d still be successor to an apostle and worthy of the respect of the likes me and you!

I know that Cardinal George, much like the Church in general, gets trashed by all sides. That, in my opinion, wins him the benefit of the doubt from me.

To clarify, when I wrote “this post is ridiculous,” I did not mean your comment in particular, Tito, but rather the initial article and the whole thread of follow-ups.

Stupak and a number of others are threatening to kill the bill altogether if they can, rather than let it pass with abortion funding. Remember, reconciliation and closed-door meetings aren’t the final step. The suits on the hill still have to vote again and both houses have to pass it, and I see no reason why it will be a perfunctory vote in the House of Reps, where the Democrat coalition is shaky, to put it mildly.

Phillip,

The USSCB might very well need criticism, as might H.E. Francis Card. George. I know far less about their affairs than they do, and if I knew as much, I still would have a hard time seeing how Christ has ordained me to criticize his ordained ministers.

Ryan Haber
Kensington, Maryland

]]> By: Phillip http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/01/04/why-is-cardinal-george-silent-about-abortion-in-the-current-health-care-bill/#comment-34609 Phillip Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:15:32 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=16216#comment-34609 withouthaving seen, I guess avoiding parlimentarianism is good if the Supak language stays in the final version. The way the bill is being dealt with now I wouldn't be so sure. And who's to say that legislation down the road won't put it in. As far as shepharding is concerned, teaching moral principles is properly the role of the bishops, applying it to the world is the proper domain of the laity. I think some criticism of the USCCB and, possibly, Cardinal George is warranted. withouthaving seen,

I guess avoiding parlimentarianism is good if the Supak language stays in the final version. The way the bill is being dealt with now I wouldn’t be so sure. And who’s to say that legislation down the road won’t put it in.

As far as shepharding is concerned, teaching moral principles is properly the role of the bishops, applying it to the world is the proper domain of the laity. I think some criticism of the USCCB and, possibly, Cardinal George is warranted.

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