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		<title>By: Senator Nelson Sells Out Unborn, Health Care Bill Heads to Vote &#171; The American Catholic</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/22/100-million-enough-to-buy-landrieu-vote/#comment-34047</link>
		<dc:creator>Senator Nelson Sells Out Unborn, Health Care Bill Heads to Vote &#171; The American Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to make huge concessions to the state of Missouri and bought Senator Ben Nelson&#8217;s vote a la Mary Landrieu.  The vote seems headed to the floor with all 60 votes secured to impose on American&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to make huge concessions to the state of Missouri and bought Senator Ben Nelson&#8217;s vote a la Mary Landrieu.  The vote seems headed to the floor with all 60 votes secured to impose on American&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: American Knight</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/22/100-million-enough-to-buy-landrieu-vote/#comment-34046</link>
		<dc:creator>American Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rr,

&quot;I haven&#039;t been taking American Knight seriously for a while now but this just blew my mind.&quot;

Coming from you that is probably a compliment; however, I have taken your posts seriously - otherwise why should I bother responding?  If we are searching for truth and debating how our Catholic faith informs our political and cultural involvement we should all take each other seriously.  That comment is more a reflection on you than it is on me.

I share my views here becuase I want to know if I can defend them or if they have flaws.  You and I may not agree on practical methods, but I would hope that we agree that we are called to inform our minds and actions with orthodox Catholic teaching.  Unless a moderator, whose guest I am on here, tells my that I am out of line then I would appreciate it if you would respond sensibly to my posts, especially those you disagree with, or kindly ignore them.

&quot;because what determines whether you&#039;re racist is your location, complexion, and whether your ancestors owned slaves.&quot;

No it doesn&#039;t.  But I post on here anonymously so I very few actually know me.  I though some generic information may help move the focus on to the veracity of the argument instead of an attack on &#039;a typcal southern racist descendant of slave owners&#039; approach.  I feared that small-minded people may decide the post was racism directed at blacks because labeling anything that offends egalitarian political thought racist is a common and easy distraction.  I actaully expcted better from you.  You won&#039;t dissappoint me again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rr,</p>
<p>&#8220;I haven&#8217;t been taking American Knight seriously for a while now but this just blew my mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Coming from you that is probably a compliment; however, I have taken your posts seriously &#8211; otherwise why should I bother responding?  If we are searching for truth and debating how our Catholic faith informs our political and cultural involvement we should all take each other seriously.  That comment is more a reflection on you than it is on me.</p>
<p>I share my views here becuase I want to know if I can defend them or if they have flaws.  You and I may not agree on practical methods, but I would hope that we agree that we are called to inform our minds and actions with orthodox Catholic teaching.  Unless a moderator, whose guest I am on here, tells my that I am out of line then I would appreciate it if you would respond sensibly to my posts, especially those you disagree with, or kindly ignore them.</p>
<p>&#8220;because what determines whether you&#8217;re racist is your location, complexion, and whether your ancestors owned slaves.&#8221;</p>
<p>No it doesn&#8217;t.  But I post on here anonymously so I very few actually know me.  I though some generic information may help move the focus on to the veracity of the argument instead of an attack on &#8216;a typcal southern racist descendant of slave owners&#8217; approach.  I feared that small-minded people may decide the post was racism directed at blacks because labeling anything that offends egalitarian political thought racist is a common and easy distraction.  I actaully expcted better from you.  You won&#8217;t dissappoint me again.</p>
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		<title>By: Tito Edwards</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/22/100-million-enough-to-buy-landrieu-vote/#comment-34045</link>
		<dc:creator>Tito Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All,

Be very careful in what you say in the commboxes.

You&#039;ve been duly warned.

I don&#039;t take PC-speak from anyone, especially on my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>Be very careful in what you say in the commboxes.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been duly warned.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t take PC-speak from anyone, especially on my post.</p>
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		<title>By: restrainedradical</title>
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		<dc:creator>restrainedradical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;one could say that African slaves suffered less attack on their dignity than the victims of the modern welfare state&lt;/i&gt;

I haven&#039;t been taking American Knight seriously for a while now but this just blew my mind.

&lt;i&gt;Before anyone jumps on me for being a racist: I am Southern and I am also an immigrant to the Southland (by the Grace of God) from the lands that Christ walked so I am not exactly white and to my knowledge my family hasn’t owned any African slaves in the last couple of centuries if ever.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, because what determines whether you&#039;re racist is your location, complexion, and whether your ancestors owned slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>one could say that African slaves suffered less attack on their dignity than the victims of the modern welfare state</i></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been taking American Knight seriously for a while now but this just blew my mind.</p>
<p><i>Before anyone jumps on me for being a racist: I am Southern and I am also an immigrant to the Southland (by the Grace of God) from the lands that Christ walked so I am not exactly white and to my knowledge my family hasn’t owned any African slaves in the last couple of centuries if ever.</i></p>
<p>Yes, because what determines whether you&#8217;re racist is your location, complexion, and whether your ancestors owned slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: American Knight</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/22/100-million-enough-to-buy-landrieu-vote/#comment-34043</link>
		<dc:creator>American Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW - Zak, you have an incorrect view of what a slave plantation was like.  Sure some slaves were physically abused and wipped and raped, etc. Horrible.

But that is a small percentage of slave owners who treated their slaves that way.  Most slave owners considered their slaves as their property and a key factor in the plantation&#039;s prodcutive capacity.  So physical abuse would be the same as a farmer starving his ox or modern day farmer taking a sledge hammer to his tractor.

Slaves where actually physically rather well off becuase they were beasts of burden.  Ratehr than most slaves suffering physical abuse what they were suffering was abuse of their human dignity.

People on Medicaid, food stamps and other government welfare programs are suffering the same abuse to their human dignity.

In fact one could say that African slaves suffered less attack on their dignity than the victims of the modern welfare state becuase at least the African slaves knew they were slaves.  Also, since the slavery was more personal, human emotion often got the better of the master&#039;s household.  Some slaves were taught to read and write, some were offered a portion of the land to grow their own crops and even sell them.  No social worker affords modern-day welfare-slaves that dignity.  Some slaveowners even insisted that their slaves be taught the Christian faith - imagine a government worker reading Scripture to a Medicaid recipeint.  Gimme a break.

Before anyone jumps on me for being a racist:  I am Southern and I am also an immigrant to the Southland (by the Grace of God) from the lands that Christ walked so I am not exactly white and to my knowledge my family hasn&#039;t owned any African slaves in the last couple of centuries if ever.

I am also not stating that ante-bellum African slavery was dignified.  I am not.  It was horrible.  I am merely saying it is less bad than the modern day welfare-state slavery of blacks and North and South American Indians and poor whites.

My plantation analogy still stands.  The difference is the plantation is nationwide and the master is the secular progressive government and the slaves are all sorts of different colors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8211; Zak, you have an incorrect view of what a slave plantation was like.  Sure some slaves were physically abused and wipped and raped, etc. Horrible.</p>
<p>But that is a small percentage of slave owners who treated their slaves that way.  Most slave owners considered their slaves as their property and a key factor in the plantation&#8217;s prodcutive capacity.  So physical abuse would be the same as a farmer starving his ox or modern day farmer taking a sledge hammer to his tractor.</p>
<p>Slaves where actually physically rather well off becuase they were beasts of burden.  Ratehr than most slaves suffering physical abuse what they were suffering was abuse of their human dignity.</p>
<p>People on Medicaid, food stamps and other government welfare programs are suffering the same abuse to their human dignity.</p>
<p>In fact one could say that African slaves suffered less attack on their dignity than the victims of the modern welfare state becuase at least the African slaves knew they were slaves.  Also, since the slavery was more personal, human emotion often got the better of the master&#8217;s household.  Some slaves were taught to read and write, some were offered a portion of the land to grow their own crops and even sell them.  No social worker affords modern-day welfare-slaves that dignity.  Some slaveowners even insisted that their slaves be taught the Christian faith &#8211; imagine a government worker reading Scripture to a Medicaid recipeint.  Gimme a break.</p>
<p>Before anyone jumps on me for being a racist:  I am Southern and I am also an immigrant to the Southland (by the Grace of God) from the lands that Christ walked so I am not exactly white and to my knowledge my family hasn&#8217;t owned any African slaves in the last couple of centuries if ever.</p>
<p>I am also not stating that ante-bellum African slavery was dignified.  I am not.  It was horrible.  I am merely saying it is less bad than the modern day welfare-state slavery of blacks and North and South American Indians and poor whites.</p>
<p>My plantation analogy still stands.  The difference is the plantation is nationwide and the master is the secular progressive government and the slaves are all sorts of different colors.</p>
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		<title>By: American Knight</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/22/100-million-enough-to-buy-landrieu-vote/#comment-34042</link>
		<dc:creator>American Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zak,

Taxation is a pretty general term. What kind of tax are we talking about?  Income taxes are not beneficial in any way shape or form and they constitute a confiscation of wealth from the aggregate economy.  People’s wages are income to the worker; however, they are an expense to the producer who pays those incomes.  By taxing what is effectively, at a macro-level, an expense the government is stealing from the commonwealth of America.  Taking that which does not belong to you is stealing, especially when it is illegal and without consent.  Hence any type of income tax on the earnings of a natural person is not a revenue tax but rather an additional expense, hence a burden, on the aggregate wealth.  Payroll taxes are especially pejorative because they raise the tax burden on the poor far more than anyone else and along with mandatory minimum wage laws create most of the unemployment for the least skilled, usually the poor and undereducated.

Federal money units fund Medicaid.  These units are fabricated dollar units in the form of notes (debt) owed to the private, illegal Federal Reserve by the US Treasury on behalf of the people of the USA without our consent.  The servicing of that debt is income taxes on natural persons (currently over 66% of income tax revenue and headed to 100% very soon).  Therefore, it is a confiscation of the aggregate wealth of America in order to service a usurious debt burden based on nothing other than paper (or digital ledger entries).

While Medicaid allegedly provides for the poor, it is burdened with fraud and self-serving bureaucratic costs.  It distorts the natural price system creating over production and service in some areas while creating shortages in others.  The former attracts fraud and the latter raises costs and reduces service to the poor.  Additionally, each dollar unit fabricated out of thin air dilutes the dollar value and raises the costs, which is a more severe burden on the poor.

By creating this unethical program and couching it in terms that are appealing to social justice the perpetrators of this fraud are robbing all Americans and doing the most damage to the least advantaged while making them think they are providing a benefit for them.  This is unethical and immoral on so many grounds.

Adding to this crime, we now have an additional $300 million burden to secure the vote to proceed on a bill that includes the murder of the most innocent and vulnerable Americans.  How much will it cost to bribe her to vote for the bill proper?  It is also horrible that this bribe bought the vote of a Catholic Senator.  Did she vote for the bill?  No. No one has. Did she vote to discuss, which is an implicit vote for the bill?  Yes.  Does the bill include murder?  Yes.  Does the removal of the abortion-funding make this bill better?  Yes, in that it will not be directly killing babies; but that does not make it good.  It only makes the bill less bad and since abortion is one of the highest sins of our culture and our government, it is first on the list.  Do not think the fact that the removal of abortion-funding has prominence means that this bill is not offensive to Catholic teaching in many other areas.  It is a horrible bill that creates an apparatus for a secular (often hostile to Christians) government to have control over a large part of our economy and considerable if not total control over our lives.

To think that a government run by sinners and not only sinners but secular progressive sinners hostile to Christ, His Church and His people will use the power it has for our benefit is naïve at best and more than likely delusional.

Government has a specific and necessary function and it needs to be funded by taxes to perform those functions.  Providing health care and taxing the incomes of natural persons does not fall under the legitimate authority of government and most certainly it does not fall under the authority of our government as established by the Constitution of 1789, properly amended.

Christ did tell us to render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, but He also warned us not to render to Caesar what is God’s.  Our health and our lives belong to God and not to Caesar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zak,</p>
<p>Taxation is a pretty general term. What kind of tax are we talking about?  Income taxes are not beneficial in any way shape or form and they constitute a confiscation of wealth from the aggregate economy.  People’s wages are income to the worker; however, they are an expense to the producer who pays those incomes.  By taxing what is effectively, at a macro-level, an expense the government is stealing from the commonwealth of America.  Taking that which does not belong to you is stealing, especially when it is illegal and without consent.  Hence any type of income tax on the earnings of a natural person is not a revenue tax but rather an additional expense, hence a burden, on the aggregate wealth.  Payroll taxes are especially pejorative because they raise the tax burden on the poor far more than anyone else and along with mandatory minimum wage laws create most of the unemployment for the least skilled, usually the poor and undereducated.</p>
<p>Federal money units fund Medicaid.  These units are fabricated dollar units in the form of notes (debt) owed to the private, illegal Federal Reserve by the US Treasury on behalf of the people of the USA without our consent.  The servicing of that debt is income taxes on natural persons (currently over 66% of income tax revenue and headed to 100% very soon).  Therefore, it is a confiscation of the aggregate wealth of America in order to service a usurious debt burden based on nothing other than paper (or digital ledger entries).</p>
<p>While Medicaid allegedly provides for the poor, it is burdened with fraud and self-serving bureaucratic costs.  It distorts the natural price system creating over production and service in some areas while creating shortages in others.  The former attracts fraud and the latter raises costs and reduces service to the poor.  Additionally, each dollar unit fabricated out of thin air dilutes the dollar value and raises the costs, which is a more severe burden on the poor.</p>
<p>By creating this unethical program and couching it in terms that are appealing to social justice the perpetrators of this fraud are robbing all Americans and doing the most damage to the least advantaged while making them think they are providing a benefit for them.  This is unethical and immoral on so many grounds.</p>
<p>Adding to this crime, we now have an additional $300 million burden to secure the vote to proceed on a bill that includes the murder of the most innocent and vulnerable Americans.  How much will it cost to bribe her to vote for the bill proper?  It is also horrible that this bribe bought the vote of a Catholic Senator.  Did she vote for the bill?  No. No one has. Did she vote to discuss, which is an implicit vote for the bill?  Yes.  Does the bill include murder?  Yes.  Does the removal of the abortion-funding make this bill better?  Yes, in that it will not be directly killing babies; but that does not make it good.  It only makes the bill less bad and since abortion is one of the highest sins of our culture and our government, it is first on the list.  Do not think the fact that the removal of abortion-funding has prominence means that this bill is not offensive to Catholic teaching in many other areas.  It is a horrible bill that creates an apparatus for a secular (often hostile to Christians) government to have control over a large part of our economy and considerable if not total control over our lives.</p>
<p>To think that a government run by sinners and not only sinners but secular progressive sinners hostile to Christ, His Church and His people will use the power it has for our benefit is naïve at best and more than likely delusional.</p>
<p>Government has a specific and necessary function and it needs to be funded by taxes to perform those functions.  Providing health care and taxing the incomes of natural persons does not fall under the legitimate authority of government and most certainly it does not fall under the authority of our government as established by the Constitution of 1789, properly amended.</p>
<p>Christ did tell us to render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, but He also warned us not to render to Caesar what is God’s.  Our health and our lives belong to God and not to Caesar.</p>
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