Comments on: Junk Science http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/21/junk-science/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:14:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Junk Science Part II « The American Catholic http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/21/junk-science/#comment-5626 Junk Science Part II « The American Catholic Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:44:04 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=15012#comment-5626 [...] follow up to my initial post here on what is becoming known as Climate Gate.  Now news comes from New Zealand about massaging of [...] [...] follow up to my initial post here on what is becoming known as Climate Gate.  Now news comes from New Zealand about massaging of [...]

]]> By: Donna V. http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/21/junk-science/#comment-5625 Donna V. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:01:58 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=15012#comment-5625 Blackadder: what you are missing is that this particular group of scientists have had a very great influence on media and public perceptions of AGW. Mann, of course, is the guy who developed the famous "hockey stick" Al Gore made prominent use of in his film. So this isn't about some obscure group of geology students engaging in a little jiggery-pokery to get A's from their professors. It's about deception and fraud among scientists whose work is being used as rationale to restructure the global economy. If you actually read the emails (link provided at Powerline) you will see they admit to massaging the data, and also discuss targeting skeptical scientists. If AGW is "settled science," why does the data need to be massaged? Todd and restrained radical: you both seem to operate under the assumption that only people who work for evil capitalist organizations and industries can be corrupted. Scientists who get many millions in grant money from the government are apparently pure in heart and are never tempted to falsify data or suppress evidence in order to produce the results they desire (the ones which will bring them even more grant money). Do you think that human greed will vanish if capitalism does? Some survivors of the old USSR would like to have a word with you. Blackadder: what you are missing is that this particular group of scientists have had a very great influence on media and public perceptions of AGW. Mann, of course, is the guy who developed the famous “hockey stick” Al Gore made prominent use of in his film. So this isn’t about some obscure group of geology students engaging in a little jiggery-pokery to get A’s from their professors. It’s about deception and fraud among scientists whose work is being used as rationale to restructure the global economy.

If you actually read the emails (link provided at Powerline) you will see they admit to massaging the data, and also discuss targeting skeptical scientists. If AGW is “settled science,” why does the data need to be massaged?

Todd and restrained radical: you both seem to operate under the assumption that only people who work for evil capitalist organizations and industries can be corrupted. Scientists who get many millions in grant money from the government are apparently pure in heart and are never tempted to falsify data or suppress evidence in order to produce the results they desire (the ones which will bring them even more grant money). Do you think that human greed will vanish if capitalism does? Some survivors of the old USSR would like to have a word with you.

]]> By: Anono http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/21/junk-science/#comment-5624 Anono Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:33:08 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=15012#comment-5624 Well, you could try reading the link I posted with that remark. And also try thinking about whether some random outside hacker would know which emails to target out of probably hundreds of thousands over the past decade. Anyway, that's beside the point (which you're studiously avoiding). Hacker or not, this whistleblower has done an immense public service in showing how the great scientists' feet are made of clay. And how they seem to act as if they have something to hide. (Now why would genuine scientists whose data analysis is on the up-and-up need to threaten deletion as soon as someone wants to see their data? Hmmm.) Check out the posts here: http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/ for some interesting posts. E.g., http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/steve-mcintyres-at-it-again/ Well, you could try reading the link I posted with that remark. And also try thinking about whether some random outside hacker would know which emails to target out of probably hundreds of thousands over the past decade.

Anyway, that’s beside the point (which you’re studiously avoiding). Hacker or not, this whistleblower has done an immense public service in showing how the great scientists’ feet are made of clay. And how they seem to act as if they have something to hide. (Now why would genuine scientists whose data analysis is on the up-and-up need to threaten deletion as soon as someone wants to see their data? Hmmm.)

Check out the posts here: http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/ for some interesting posts. E.g., http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/steve-mcintyres-at-it-again/

]]> By: Blackadder http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/21/junk-science/#comment-5623 Blackadder Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:10:17 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=15012#comment-5623 Anono, The University says that they were hacked. You said that "[i]ndications are that this was a whistleblower, not an outside hacker." My question is what indications you were referring to? Anono,

The University says that they were hacked. You said that “[i]ndications are that this was a whistleblower, not an outside hacker.” My question is what indications you were referring to?

]]> By: Anono http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/21/junk-science/#comment-5622 Anono Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:48:32 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=15012#comment-5622 <i>Do you have any evidence that this was the result of a”whistleblower” as opposed to a hacker as it being reported?</i> What's the evidence that it's an actual hacker, would be the first question. Do you have any evidence that this was the result of a”whistleblower” as opposed to a hacker as it being reported?

What’s the evidence that it’s an actual hacker, would be the first question.

]]> By: American Knight http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/21/junk-science/#comment-5621 American Knight Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:15:24 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=15012#comment-5621 Where I come from gobal climate change has a simpler name: Seasons. We need to be mindful of our home not worship it. Additionally, try as we might, we do not get to destroy the world. God made it and He will end it. In the meantime, enjoy the warming. You people that are always crying about man made global warming are the same ones usually bitching about being cold. So what is it, too warm or too cold? Eat a hamburger, put on a sweater and quit crying. If you leave the rest of us alone to drive SUVs and crank the A/C and drink American beer; then we'll let you worship all the trees and ants you want, drink your wheatgrass lunches and beat your tribal drums in your Birkenstocks while not showering (just don't stand too close). Then we can let evolution take its course and see which 'species' survives. ;) Where I come from gobal climate change has a simpler name:

Seasons.

We need to be mindful of our home not worship it. Additionally, try as we might, we do not get to destroy the world. God made it and He will end it.

In the meantime, enjoy the warming. You people that are always crying about man made global warming are the same ones usually bitching about being cold. So what is it, too warm or too cold? Eat a hamburger, put on a sweater and quit crying.

If you leave the rest of us alone to drive SUVs and crank the A/C and drink American beer; then we’ll let you worship all the trees and ants you want, drink your wheatgrass lunches and beat your tribal drums in your Birkenstocks while not showering (just don’t stand too close). Then we can let evolution take its course and see which ‘species’ survives. ;)

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