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	<title>Comments on: Stupak Gets His Vote</title>
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		<title>By: Trae</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/07/stupak-gets-his-vote/#comment-5265</link>
		<dc:creator>Trae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing. The brave anonymous Morning&#039;s Minion has started putting Catholics who disagree that this bill is the best way to serve the common good in scare quotes. &quot;Catholics.&quot;

Nice.

Morning&#039;s Minion, who defends the diversity of political options regarding the legality of abortion from a Catholic perspective, cannot admit that same diversity here.

Morning&#039;s Minion: If I, as a Catholic, oppose this legislation because I believe that it will hurt more people than it helps and will not meet the needs of those it claims to help and will damage the common good, and if I believe there are other legislative options that will do more to improve the situation in regard to healthcare, it is not your place to define me as less than Catholic because of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing. The brave anonymous Morning&#8217;s Minion has started putting Catholics who disagree that this bill is the best way to serve the common good in scare quotes. &#8220;Catholics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
<p>Morning&#8217;s Minion, who defends the diversity of political options regarding the legality of abortion from a Catholic perspective, cannot admit that same diversity here.</p>
<p>Morning&#8217;s Minion: If I, as a Catholic, oppose this legislation because I believe that it will hurt more people than it helps and will not meet the needs of those it claims to help and will damage the common good, and if I believe there are other legislative options that will do more to improve the situation in regard to healthcare, it is not your place to define me as less than Catholic because of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Appeal &#187; On Representation</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/07/stupak-gets-his-vote/#comment-5264</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Appeal &#187; On Representation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I guess there was that vote (or pair of votes).  I&#8217;m sure Harry Reid is just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Morning's Minion</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/07/stupak-gets-his-vote/#comment-5263</link>
		<dc:creator>Morning's Minion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I&#039;[m not going to call names or attack the GOP (I love the way come people defelct all criticism with cries of ad homimum - weird in this context). I will merely take issue with this statement: [this bill] &quot;simply shifts who doesn’t receive care from the poor to the disabled and elderly&quot;

I will simply ask: where are you getting this silliness? The House bill is largely financed by an income tax surcharge and taking the middleman our of medicare advantage. In fact, one reason the AARP supports this bill is that it does largely nothing the curb the escalating costs of medicare. ANd the disabled? Huh? As someone in the thicket of the healthcare debate for yours, I don&#039;t know where you get this stuff. And don&#039;t you think if there were serious life issues other abortion, the USCCB would be flagging them???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I&#8217;[m not going to call names or attack the GOP (I love the way come people defelct all criticism with cries of ad homimum - weird in this context). I will merely take issue with this statement: [this bill] &#8220;simply shifts who doesn’t receive care from the poor to the disabled and elderly&#8221;</p>
<p>I will simply ask: where are you getting this silliness? The House bill is largely financed by an income tax surcharge and taking the middleman our of medicare advantage. In fact, one reason the AARP supports this bill is that it does largely nothing the curb the escalating costs of medicare. ANd the disabled? Huh? As someone in the thicket of the healthcare debate for yours, I don&#8217;t know where you get this stuff. And don&#8217;t you think if there were serious life issues other abortion, the USCCB would be flagging them???</p>
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		<title>By: Morning's Minion</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/07/stupak-gets-his-vote/#comment-5262</link>
		<dc:creator>Morning's Minion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald:

The &quot;Democrats for Life&quot; have stepped up. Should at least some honest Republicans not do the same thing now that there is a bill with iron-clas protection against abortion? After all, the USCCB said that passing the Stupak amendment would turn them from a critic to a strong supporter.

I&#039;m disappointed. I&#039;ve noticed all along that for many &quot;Catholics&quot; who opposed this reform, especially on the internet, abortion was not the defining issue. Intead, the defining issue was adherance to an individualist ethos, an ethos that stood against the Catholic notion of solidarity, which surely calls for the community to provide health care to all. After all, the Church deems healthcare as a fundamental right. Maintaining the status quo is a violation of that right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald:</p>
<p>The &#8220;Democrats for Life&#8221; have stepped up. Should at least some honest Republicans not do the same thing now that there is a bill with iron-clas protection against abortion? After all, the USCCB said that passing the Stupak amendment would turn them from a critic to a strong supporter.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed. I&#8217;ve noticed all along that for many &#8220;Catholics&#8221; who opposed this reform, especially on the internet, abortion was not the defining issue. Intead, the defining issue was adherance to an individualist ethos, an ethos that stood against the Catholic notion of solidarity, which surely calls for the community to provide health care to all. After all, the Church deems healthcare as a fundamental right. Maintaining the status quo is a violation of that right.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/07/stupak-gets-his-vote/#comment-5261</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Morning&#039;s Minion,

This bill continues to violate Catholic teachings on matters of intrinsic evil and can also be opposed on legitimate prudential grounds. It is tragic to call this health plan &quot;universal&quot; when it simply shifts who doesn&#039;t receive care from the poor to the disabled and elderly.

Regards,
Steve

PS: I personally cannot afford health insurance (though I&#039;d like it), and I loathe the GOP. So you&#039;ll need to find another option for your ad hominem attack response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Morning&#8217;s Minion,</p>
<p>This bill continues to violate Catholic teachings on matters of intrinsic evil and can also be opposed on legitimate prudential grounds. It is tragic to call this health plan &#8220;universal&#8221; when it simply shifts who doesn&#8217;t receive care from the poor to the disabled and elderly.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Steve</p>
<p>PS: I personally cannot afford health insurance (though I&#8217;d like it), and I loathe the GOP. So you&#8217;ll need to find another option for your ad hominem attack response.</p>
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		<title>By: American Knight</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/07/stupak-gets-his-vote/#comment-5260</link>
		<dc:creator>American Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That had to be a joke.  Do you really beleive the Stupak ammendment will protect children?

Fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That had to be a joke.  Do you really beleive the Stupak ammendment will protect children?</p>
<p>Fools.</p>
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