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		<title>By: momof9</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/05/george-washington-and-catholics/#comment-55148</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 00:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are, however, some intriguing hints -- and at the very least Washington (known to offer up his suffering and to have a woman &quot;say the beads&quot; for him) was far more spiritual than most of our history teachers taught

Most tantalizing was a report in volume 4, number 12 of an old nineteenth-century veterans publication known as the National Tribune. Now known as Stars and Stripes, the publication quoted a man named Anthony Sherman as describing a vision that allegedly occurred in 1777.

It was said that as the chilly wind murmured through leafless trees, Washington, who was known to wander alone praying, spent nearly the entire afternoon in his quarters, allowing no interruptions. &quot;When he came out, I noticed that his face was a shade paler than usual, and there seemed to be something on his mind of more than ordinary importance,&quot; claimed Sherman, who reputedly fought alongside Washington.

Returning just after dusk, he dispatched an orderly to the quarters of the officer who was presently in attendance. After a preliminary conversation of about half an hour, Washington, gazing upon his companion with that strange look of dignity which he alone could command, said to the latter: &quot;I do not know whether it is owing to the anxiety of my mind, or what, but this afternoon as I was sitting at this table engaged in preparing a dispatch, something seemed to disturb me. Looking up, I beheld standing opposite me a singularly beautiful female. So astonished was I, for I had given strict order not to be disturbed, that it was some moments before I found language to inquire into the cause of her presence. A second, third, and even a fourth time did I repeat my question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor except a slight raising of her eyes. By this time I felt strange sensations spreading through me. I would have risen but the riveted gaze of the being before me rendered volition impossible. I assayed once more to address her, but my tongue had become useless. Even thought itself had become paralyzed. A new influence, mysterious, potent, irresistible, took possession of me. All I could do was to gaze steadily, vacantly at my unknown visitant.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are, however, some intriguing hints &#8212; and at the very least Washington (known to offer up his suffering and to have a woman &#8220;say the beads&#8221; for him) was far more spiritual than most of our history teachers taught</p>
<p>Most tantalizing was a report in volume 4, number 12 of an old nineteenth-century veterans publication known as the National Tribune. Now known as Stars and Stripes, the publication quoted a man named Anthony Sherman as describing a vision that allegedly occurred in 1777.</p>
<p>It was said that as the chilly wind murmured through leafless trees, Washington, who was known to wander alone praying, spent nearly the entire afternoon in his quarters, allowing no interruptions. &#8220;When he came out, I noticed that his face was a shade paler than usual, and there seemed to be something on his mind of more than ordinary importance,&#8221; claimed Sherman, who reputedly fought alongside Washington.</p>
<p>Returning just after dusk, he dispatched an orderly to the quarters of the officer who was presently in attendance. After a preliminary conversation of about half an hour, Washington, gazing upon his companion with that strange look of dignity which he alone could command, said to the latter: &#8220;I do not know whether it is owing to the anxiety of my mind, or what, but this afternoon as I was sitting at this table engaged in preparing a dispatch, something seemed to disturb me. Looking up, I beheld standing opposite me a singularly beautiful female. So astonished was I, for I had given strict order not to be disturbed, that it was some moments before I found language to inquire into the cause of her presence. A second, third, and even a fourth time did I repeat my question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor except a slight raising of her eyes. By this time I felt strange sensations spreading through me. I would have risen but the riveted gaze of the being before me rendered volition impossible. I assayed once more to address her, but my tongue had become useless. Even thought itself had become paralyzed. A new influence, mysterious, potent, irresistible, took possession of me. All I could do was to gaze steadily, vacantly at my unknown visitant.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pio Nono, the Washington Monument and the Purloined Block of Marble &#171; Almost Chosen People</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pio Nono, the Washington Monument and the Purloined Block of Marble &#171; Almost Chosen People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On December 24, 1851, the American Charge d&#8217; Affairs in Rome, Lewis Cass, Jr., wrote to the Society,  &#8221;I have the honor to inform you that I have been apprized by His Holiness the Pope. . . of his intention to contribute a block of marble toward the erection of the national monument to the memory of Washington. The block was taken from the ruins of the ancient Temple of Peace, adjoining the palace of the Caesars, and is to receive the inscription of ‘Rome to America.&#8221;  No doubt Pope Pius IX recalled that George Washington had ever been a friend to Catholics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On December 24, 1851, the American Charge d&#8217; Affairs in Rome, Lewis Cass, Jr., wrote to the Society,  &#8221;I have the honor to inform you that I have been apprized by His Holiness the Pope. . . of his intention to contribute a block of marble toward the erection of the national monument to the memory of Washington. The block was taken from the ruins of the ancient Temple of Peace, adjoining the palace of the Caesars, and is to receive the inscription of ‘Rome to America.&#8221;  No doubt Pope Pius IX recalled that George Washington had ever been a friend to Catholics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pio Nono, the Washington Monument and the Purloined Block of Marble &#171; The American Catholic</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/05/george-washington-and-catholics/#comment-30695</link>
		<dc:creator>Pio Nono, the Washington Monument and the Purloined Block of Marble &#171; The American Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On December 24, 1851, the American Charge d&#8217; Affairs in Rome, Lewis Cass, Jr., wrote to the Society,  &#8221;I have the honor to inform you that I have been apprized by His Holiness the Pope. . . of his intention to contribute a block of marble toward the erection of the nationalmonument to the memory of Washington. The block was taken from the ruins of theancient Temple of Peace, adjoining the palace of the Caesars, and is to receive theinscription of ‘Rome to America.&#8221;  No doubt Pope Pius IX recalled that George Washington had ever been a friend to Catholics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On December 24, 1851, the American Charge d&#8217; Affairs in Rome, Lewis Cass, Jr., wrote to the Society,  &#8221;I have the honor to inform you that I have been apprized by His Holiness the Pope. . . of his intention to contribute a block of marble toward the erection of the nationalmonument to the memory of Washington. The block was taken from the ruins of theancient Temple of Peace, adjoining the palace of the Caesars, and is to receive theinscription of ‘Rome to America.&#8221;  No doubt Pope Pius IX recalled that George Washington had ever been a friend to Catholics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DarwinCatholic</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, the Vatican approving locally selected bishops (rather than centralling appointing bishops) was more common in the 18th century than it is now.  And if one goes back a few centuries more, it was in fact the norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, the Vatican approving locally selected bishops (rather than centralling appointing bishops) was more common in the 18th century than it is now.  And if one goes back a few centuries more, it was in fact the norm.</p>
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		<title>By: e.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Whispers in the Loggia&lt;/i&gt; had composed an entry that pays fitting tribute to the great man who was the &lt;i&gt;Father of American Catholicism&lt;/i&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;In the Beginning....&lt;/b&gt;

His legacy plugged by no less than The Pope Himself -- who recalled him with &quot;admiration and gratitude&quot; in addressing his many heirs last week -- the father of American Catholicism, John Carroll of Baltimore, took center stage in a major lecture given Tuesday night in the cathedral he envisioned, but never saw completed: Charmopolis&#039; Basilica of the Assumption.

Held to commemorate both the bicentennial of Carroll&#039;s elevation as the nation&#039;s first archbishop and the impending reception of the pallium by his 14th successor, Archbishop Edwin O&#039;Brien, on-deck for the talk was one of the bench&#039;s handful of historian-prelates, Archbishop Timothy Dolan of Milwaukee.

Held to commemorate both the bicentennial of Carroll&#039;s elevation as the nation&#039;s first archbishop and the impending reception of the pallium by his 14th successor, Archbishop Edwin O&#039;Brien, on-deck for the talk was one of the bench&#039;s handful of historian-prelates, Archbishop Timothy Dolan of Milwaukee.

(To think: 25,000 Catholics in thirteen colonies at The Founding... 22 priests... not a lot of money... and a whole lot of misunderstanding and discrimination... and you think we had it bad?)

On a related note, Carroll was also the launch-pad of O&#039;Brien&#039;s homily at Baltimore&#039;s bicentennial liturgy earlier this month.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bishop Carroll took possession of his See in December, 1790 and his inaugural sermon makes clear his state of mind. Of his appointment he said, “I have always dreaded it.” And given the immense challenge that faced him it is easy to see why. “Everything had to be raised from its foundation,” he said with scant resources at hand and a Catholic people among the poorest in the city and countryside. He specified the challenge in his sermon: canonical structures, schools, native clergy, a newly-founded seminary, schools and the evangelization of her near and distant flock.

His goal, he said, was “to have nothing in view but God and your salvation.” He went on to say, “My heart sinks almost under the impression of terror which comes upon it. In God alone can I find any consolation…He will not abandon me…Pray, dear brethren, pray incessantly (for me.).”

Pray, they must have. And no, God did not abandon him.

As founding bishop, this premier missionary and persevering evangelizer of our new nation truly laid the foundation of Catholicism in America . He convinced Rome and some skeptics at home of the compatibility of Catholicism and a free democracy. A friend and confidant of Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and a supporter of many civil causes and institutions, what Washington is to our country, John Carroll is to the Church in our country. In his 25 years of shepherding, the Catholic population of the expansive Church of Baltimore doubled as did our number of native priests. He founded three colleges and two seminaries and strongly promoted the foundation of many religious orders, receiving the vows of the now St. Elizabeth Seton. He would go on to encourage and support the establishment of both the first distinctly American community of religious women and of the first Catholic school in our land...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2008/04/in-beginning.html&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Whispers in the Loggia</i> had composed an entry that pays fitting tribute to the great man who was the <i>Father of American Catholicism</i>:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>In the Beginning&#8230;.</b></p>
<p>His legacy plugged by no less than The Pope Himself &#8212; who recalled him with &#8220;admiration and gratitude&#8221; in addressing his many heirs last week &#8212; the father of American Catholicism, John Carroll of Baltimore, took center stage in a major lecture given Tuesday night in the cathedral he envisioned, but never saw completed: Charmopolis&#8217; Basilica of the Assumption.</p>
<p>Held to commemorate both the bicentennial of Carroll&#8217;s elevation as the nation&#8217;s first archbishop and the impending reception of the pallium by his 14th successor, Archbishop Edwin O&#8217;Brien, on-deck for the talk was one of the bench&#8217;s handful of historian-prelates, Archbishop Timothy Dolan of Milwaukee.</p>
<p>Held to commemorate both the bicentennial of Carroll&#8217;s elevation as the nation&#8217;s first archbishop and the impending reception of the pallium by his 14th successor, Archbishop Edwin O&#8217;Brien, on-deck for the talk was one of the bench&#8217;s handful of historian-prelates, Archbishop Timothy Dolan of Milwaukee.</p>
<p>(To think: 25,000 Catholics in thirteen colonies at The Founding&#8230; 22 priests&#8230; not a lot of money&#8230; and a whole lot of misunderstanding and discrimination&#8230; and you think we had it bad?)</p>
<p>On a related note, Carroll was also the launch-pad of O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s homily at Baltimore&#8217;s bicentennial liturgy earlier this month.</p>
<blockquote><p>Bishop Carroll took possession of his See in December, 1790 and his inaugural sermon makes clear his state of mind. Of his appointment he said, “I have always dreaded it.” And given the immense challenge that faced him it is easy to see why. “Everything had to be raised from its foundation,” he said with scant resources at hand and a Catholic people among the poorest in the city and countryside. He specified the challenge in his sermon: canonical structures, schools, native clergy, a newly-founded seminary, schools and the evangelization of her near and distant flock.</p>
<p>His goal, he said, was “to have nothing in view but God and your salvation.” He went on to say, “My heart sinks almost under the impression of terror which comes upon it. In God alone can I find any consolation…He will not abandon me…Pray, dear brethren, pray incessantly (for me.).”</p>
<p>Pray, they must have. And no, God did not abandon him.</p>
<p>As founding bishop, this premier missionary and persevering evangelizer of our new nation truly laid the foundation of Catholicism in America . He convinced Rome and some skeptics at home of the compatibility of Catholicism and a free democracy. A friend and confidant of Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and a supporter of many civil causes and institutions, what Washington is to our country, John Carroll is to the Church in our country. In his 25 years of shepherding, the Catholic population of the expansive Church of Baltimore doubled as did our number of native priests. He founded three colleges and two seminaries and strongly promoted the foundation of many religious orders, receiving the vows of the now St. Elizabeth Seton. He would go on to encourage and support the establishment of both the first distinctly American community of religious women and of the first Catholic school in our land&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2008/04/in-beginning.html" rel="nofollow">http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2008/04/in-beginning.html</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Donald R. McClarey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald R. McClarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert in regard to the excommunication you merely support what I was saying.  A Bishop has no right to excommunicate anyone because they take a differing position on a political issue unrelated to the Church and that is precisely what the Bishop of Quebec did.

The Vatican had no problem approving Carroll as Bishop.  I have found nothing in the historical record indicating otherwise.  The Vatican approved the procedure of the election of the Bishop by the clergy prior to the election being held.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert in regard to the excommunication you merely support what I was saying.  A Bishop has no right to excommunicate anyone because they take a differing position on a political issue unrelated to the Church and that is precisely what the Bishop of Quebec did.</p>
<p>The Vatican had no problem approving Carroll as Bishop.  I have found nothing in the historical record indicating otherwise.  The Vatican approved the procedure of the election of the Bishop by the clergy prior to the election being held.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually if you would read the rest of the New Advent article and the sources you would see you are clearly wrong. I used no sources that were particularly conspiritorial and do not normal countenance such views. Unfortunately after a review of the facts there is no other answer. Carroll denied the authority of the Vatican in his diocese- that is clearly different from asking for a pastoral concession. Mason have historically been conspiritorial and never have disavowed their connection with the Latin Orient. They merely discountance their methods if you read closely. 

No the excommunication was done because he sought to enlist the Canadians in a foreign war that was not necessary. There was danger to life and limb of the members of his flock without suffiecient cause.  Carroll came in like a wolf- over the walls and used his status as a priest to try to persuade the Canadians to join. He never deigned to approach the Bishop of Quebec first. Hence it was more of a pastoral than political issue for the bishop. He was a vagus in doing so.

Most likely the Vatican felt the selection could have been worse. If you read you will note that there was sufficient concern on the part of the American clergy not to offend the protestants, etc in this country. If the Vatican appointed someone it was strongly possible the American government would have objected. as a matter of fact they sought information from the government as to whatwas acceptable. If you had read you would have noticed that he was elected and confirmed by the Vatican- not appointed as was normal procedure. It was obvious to the pope that if he objected that the American clergy were not steadfastly loyal to Rome and that Catholics in this country would have been persecuted even more in this country. There was no other real option. 

Please trouble yourself to read all the sources. I know it is inconvenient but you claim the arguments are inadequate but have countered none of them. Instead you have merely presented personal opinions which you honestly admit are such when you say &quot;I do not think&quot;, etc. I respect you honesty as such. However you have implied I am a nut and have not deigned to offer a different interpetation or refutation of those articles. Please trouble yourself to do so. It is only intellectually honest as I am certain you will concede.Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually if you would read the rest of the New Advent article and the sources you would see you are clearly wrong. I used no sources that were particularly conspiritorial and do not normal countenance such views. Unfortunately after a review of the facts there is no other answer. Carroll denied the authority of the Vatican in his diocese- that is clearly different from asking for a pastoral concession. Mason have historically been conspiritorial and never have disavowed their connection with the Latin Orient. They merely discountance their methods if you read closely. </p>
<p>No the excommunication was done because he sought to enlist the Canadians in a foreign war that was not necessary. There was danger to life and limb of the members of his flock without suffiecient cause.  Carroll came in like a wolf- over the walls and used his status as a priest to try to persuade the Canadians to join. He never deigned to approach the Bishop of Quebec first. Hence it was more of a pastoral than political issue for the bishop. He was a vagus in doing so.</p>
<p>Most likely the Vatican felt the selection could have been worse. If you read you will note that there was sufficient concern on the part of the American clergy not to offend the protestants, etc in this country. If the Vatican appointed someone it was strongly possible the American government would have objected. as a matter of fact they sought information from the government as to whatwas acceptable. If you had read you would have noticed that he was elected and confirmed by the Vatican- not appointed as was normal procedure. It was obvious to the pope that if he objected that the American clergy were not steadfastly loyal to Rome and that Catholics in this country would have been persecuted even more in this country. There was no other real option. </p>
<p>Please trouble yourself to read all the sources. I know it is inconvenient but you claim the arguments are inadequate but have countered none of them. Instead you have merely presented personal opinions which you honestly admit are such when you say &#8220;I do not think&#8221;, etc. I respect you honesty as such. However you have implied I am a nut and have not deigned to offer a different interpetation or refutation of those articles. Please trouble yourself to do so. It is only intellectually honest as I am certain you will concede.Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald R. McClarey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald R. McClarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, in regard to your comment:

1. The excommunication imposed against Carroll by the Quebec Bishop was clearly done for purely political purposes as the Bishop was a supporter of the British and had no impact on the standing of Carroll with the Church.  It was a misuse of the authority granted to the Bishop.

2.  Considering the fact that Leo XIII noted John Carroll had been set up as first Bishop in the US by &quot;apostolic authority&quot; I doubt if he shared the same animus you feel against John Carroll.

3.  Anti-masony tends to quickly fall into tin foil hat territory.  The Church had good reason to oppose free masonry in Europe, but too often this worthy effort is seized upon by paranoid conspiracy mongers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, in regard to your comment:</p>
<p>1. The excommunication imposed against Carroll by the Quebec Bishop was clearly done for purely political purposes as the Bishop was a supporter of the British and had no impact on the standing of Carroll with the Church.  It was a misuse of the authority granted to the Bishop.</p>
<p>2.  Considering the fact that Leo XIII noted John Carroll had been set up as first Bishop in the US by &#8220;apostolic authority&#8221; I doubt if he shared the same animus you feel against John Carroll.</p>
<p>3.  Anti-masony tends to quickly fall into tin foil hat territory.  The Church had good reason to oppose free masonry in Europe, but too often this worthy effort is seized upon by paranoid conspiracy mongers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1776, the Continental Congress asked Carroll, his cousin Charles Carroll, Samuel Chase, and Benjamin Franklin to travel to Quebec and attempt to persuade the French Canadian population to join the revolution. Although the group was unsuccessful, it made Carroll well known to the government of the new republic. Carroll was in fact excommunicated by the local Quebec bishop, Jean-Olivier Briand.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carroll_(bishop)


If we were to assert that under no circumstances had a Mason been found willing to take arms against a bad government, we should only be declaring that, in trying moments, when duty, in the masonic sense, to state means antagonism to the Government, they had failed in the highest and most sacred duty of a citizen. Rebellion in some cases is a sacred duty, and none, but a bigot or a fool, will say, that our countrymen were in the wrong, when they took arms against King James II. Loyalty to freedom in a case of this kind overrides all other considerations, and when to rebel means to be free or to perish, it would be idle to urge that a man must remember obligations which were never intended to rob him of his status of a human being and a citizen. [201]

and

The Kadosh (thirtieth degree), trampling on the papal tiara and the royal crown, is destined to wreak a just vengeance on these &quot;high criminals&quot; for the murder of Molay [128] and &quot;as the apostle of truth and the rights of man&quot; [129] to deliver mankind &quot;from the bondage of Despotism and the thraldom of spiritual Tyranny&quot;. [130] &quot;In most rituals of this degree everything breathes vengeance&quot; against religious and political &quot;Despotism&quot;. [131] 

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm

 One of his fondest wishes, however, came to naught: the use of vernacular languages in the liturgy. In 1787 he wrote &quot;Can there be anything more preposterous than an unknown tongue; and in this country either for want of books or inability to read, the great part of our congregations must be utterly ignorant of the meaning and sense of the publick office of the Church. It may have been prudent, for aught I know, to impose a compliance in this matter with the insulting and reproachful demands of the first reformers; but to continue the practice of the Latin liturgy in the present state of things must be owing either to chimerical fears of innovation or to indolence and inattention in the first pastors of the national Churches in not joining to solicit or indeed ordain this necessary alteration.&quot;[13] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carroll_(bishop)

John Carroll was not consecrated bishop until August 15, 1790. While it would be more than a hundred years before Leo XIII condemned Americanism as a heresy, Bishop Carroll already seemed to desire “the Church in America to be different from what it is in the rest of the world” (Leo’s words in Testem Benevolentiae ). Carroll agitated for a vernacular liturgy, bishops elected by their people (no “foreign” appointments from Rome), and a pope with little practical authority over the Church. He also crossed the Bishop of Quebec, the saintly Bishop Briand, by escorting Benjamin Franklin there on an anti-English embassy that failed. (Recall that our Puritan forefathers had seriously offended the Catholic Québécois by declaring England’s toleration of the Faith there to be an “intolerable act”!) Perhaps most damning of Carroll’s integrity as an ecclesiastic is this fact, related in the New Catholic Encyclopedia , Volume 6: “The papal condemnations of Freemasonry were not promulgated in the American colonies by Bishop John Carroll. In fact his brother Daniel was an active Mason and a practicing Catholic. Bishop Carroll wrote to a layman in 1794 regarding the lodge question: ‘I do not pretend that these decrees (against Freemasonry) are received generally by the Church, or have full authority in this diocese.’” Thus was established, early on, the American tradition of ignoring Roman decrees.

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Your Eminence, when Father John Carroll, who was to become the first American bishop and the first Bishop and later Archbishop of Baltimore, accompanied John Adams and Benjamin Franklin to Québec to ask that the Canadians join in the American Revolution, the then Bishop Briand of Québec forbade his priests to have anything to do with the visitors and he actually excommunicated John Carroll.  Bishop Briand had his reasons, in that the British had guaranteed the Catholics of Québec freedom of religion, a freedom which was not guaranteed at that time in the original thirteen rebellious colonies, where Catholics were often discriminated against.  Bishop Briand saw no reason for Canadians to join the American colonies against the British, and he was very annoyed that a Catholic priest should be among those seeking to encourage Canadians to risk their religious liberty in what he considered to be a dubious cause.  So he excommunicated Father Carroll – and there is no record of which I know that such an excommunication has ever been lifted.

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These articles are why I am not enamored of Washington or our first bishop. John Carroll was rightfully excommunicated. What right does a priest have to solicit aid for a political revolution? His first duty is the salvation of souls. Especially without first speaking with the bishop of the diocese. Free Masonry is duplicitous and from careful reading (which is necessary when reading anything written by influential Masons) it seems that Washington only opposed the celebrations since the French Catholics may be offended may refuse aid. Masonry is indifferent to all religions so the attendance of varying churches is more indicative of indifference- not necessarily favor. Neither did the Continental Congress ever repay the French government the loans it made. Not only that but they shared in the general delight when the monarchy in France (their former allies) fell. It is unfortunate since the French king was a better man and more honest. Not only that but our government congratulated the new Russian government when the Czar was deposed (also a former ally). He was a much better man than Wilson. Not all the monarchs were the tyrants we have been told they were in public schools. Not all the presidents were as virtuous as we have been led to believe. Our country has been heavily influenced by Masons from the beginning. Even many of our clergy. Read history. All practicing and high ranking Masons were not what they seemed. There are three words that come to my mind that applies to Free Masonry and those sufficiently initiated. Perfidious, evil and duplicitous. No doubt I will be heckled.- after all it does sound sort of incredible until you study it. However, save your breathe and read the sources at length and do some serious/ impartial research. Then see if you can find a copy of &quot;Catholicism in New England&quot; By the Rev Arthur J Riley. It may be hard as it is a dissertation for his degree in the 1930s but it is written well and is a treasure trove of documentation about a part of our history that most don&#039;t know about. Best regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1776, the Continental Congress asked Carroll, his cousin Charles Carroll, Samuel Chase, and Benjamin Franklin to travel to Quebec and attempt to persuade the French Canadian population to join the revolution. Although the group was unsuccessful, it made Carroll well known to the government of the new republic. Carroll was in fact excommunicated by the local Quebec bishop, Jean-Olivier Briand.[4]<br />
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<p>If we were to assert that under no circumstances had a Mason been found willing to take arms against a bad government, we should only be declaring that, in trying moments, when duty, in the masonic sense, to state means antagonism to the Government, they had failed in the highest and most sacred duty of a citizen. Rebellion in some cases is a sacred duty, and none, but a bigot or a fool, will say, that our countrymen were in the wrong, when they took arms against King James II. Loyalty to freedom in a case of this kind overrides all other considerations, and when to rebel means to be free or to perish, it would be idle to urge that a man must remember obligations which were never intended to rob him of his status of a human being and a citizen. [201]</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>The Kadosh (thirtieth degree), trampling on the papal tiara and the royal crown, is destined to wreak a just vengeance on these &#8220;high criminals&#8221; for the murder of Molay [128] and &#8220;as the apostle of truth and the rights of man&#8221; [129] to deliver mankind &#8220;from the bondage of Despotism and the thraldom of spiritual Tyranny&#8221;. [130] &#8220;In most rituals of this degree everything breathes vengeance&#8221; against religious and political &#8220;Despotism&#8221;. [131] </p>
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<p> One of his fondest wishes, however, came to naught: the use of vernacular languages in the liturgy. In 1787 he wrote &#8220;Can there be anything more preposterous than an unknown tongue; and in this country either for want of books or inability to read, the great part of our congregations must be utterly ignorant of the meaning and sense of the publick office of the Church. It may have been prudent, for aught I know, to impose a compliance in this matter with the insulting and reproachful demands of the first reformers; but to continue the practice of the Latin liturgy in the present state of things must be owing either to chimerical fears of innovation or to indolence and inattention in the first pastors of the national Churches in not joining to solicit or indeed ordain this necessary alteration.&#8221;[13]<br />
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<p>John Carroll was not consecrated bishop until August 15, 1790. While it would be more than a hundred years before Leo XIII condemned Americanism as a heresy, Bishop Carroll already seemed to desire “the Church in America to be different from what it is in the rest of the world” (Leo’s words in Testem Benevolentiae ). Carroll agitated for a vernacular liturgy, bishops elected by their people (no “foreign” appointments from Rome), and a pope with little practical authority over the Church. He also crossed the Bishop of Quebec, the saintly Bishop Briand, by escorting Benjamin Franklin there on an anti-English embassy that failed. (Recall that our Puritan forefathers had seriously offended the Catholic Québécois by declaring England’s toleration of the Faith there to be an “intolerable act”!) Perhaps most damning of Carroll’s integrity as an ecclesiastic is this fact, related in the New Catholic Encyclopedia , Volume 6: “The papal condemnations of Freemasonry were not promulgated in the American colonies by Bishop John Carroll. In fact his brother Daniel was an active Mason and a practicing Catholic. Bishop Carroll wrote to a layman in 1794 regarding the lodge question: ‘I do not pretend that these decrees (against Freemasonry) are received generally by the Church, or have full authority in this diocese.’” Thus was established, early on, the American tradition of ignoring Roman decrees.</p>
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Your Eminence, when Father John Carroll, who was to become the first American bishop and the first Bishop and later Archbishop of Baltimore, accompanied John Adams and Benjamin Franklin to Québec to ask that the Canadians join in the American Revolution, the then Bishop Briand of Québec forbade his priests to have anything to do with the visitors and he actually excommunicated John Carroll.  Bishop Briand had his reasons, in that the British had guaranteed the Catholics of Québec freedom of religion, a freedom which was not guaranteed at that time in the original thirteen rebellious colonies, where Catholics were often discriminated against.  Bishop Briand saw no reason for Canadians to join the American colonies against the British, and he was very annoyed that a Catholic priest should be among those seeking to encourage Canadians to risk their religious liberty in what he considered to be a dubious cause.  So he excommunicated Father Carroll – and there is no record of which I know that such an excommunication has ever been lifted.</p>
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<p>These articles are why I am not enamored of Washington or our first bishop. John Carroll was rightfully excommunicated. What right does a priest have to solicit aid for a political revolution? His first duty is the salvation of souls. Especially without first speaking with the bishop of the diocese. Free Masonry is duplicitous and from careful reading (which is necessary when reading anything written by influential Masons) it seems that Washington only opposed the celebrations since the French Catholics may be offended may refuse aid. Masonry is indifferent to all religions so the attendance of varying churches is more indicative of indifference- not necessarily favor. Neither did the Continental Congress ever repay the French government the loans it made. Not only that but they shared in the general delight when the monarchy in France (their former allies) fell. It is unfortunate since the French king was a better man and more honest. Not only that but our government congratulated the new Russian government when the Czar was deposed (also a former ally). He was a much better man than Wilson. Not all the monarchs were the tyrants we have been told they were in public schools. Not all the presidents were as virtuous as we have been led to believe. Our country has been heavily influenced by Masons from the beginning. Even many of our clergy. Read history. All practicing and high ranking Masons were not what they seemed. There are three words that come to my mind that applies to Free Masonry and those sufficiently initiated. Perfidious, evil and duplicitous. No doubt I will be heckled.- after all it does sound sort of incredible until you study it. However, save your breathe and read the sources at length and do some serious/ impartial research. Then see if you can find a copy of &#8220;Catholicism in New England&#8221; By the Rev Arthur J Riley. It may be hard as it is a dissertation for his degree in the 1930s but it is written well and is a treasure trove of documentation about a part of our history that most don&#8217;t know about. Best regards.</p>
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		<description>Freemasonry is undoubtedly anti-Catholic.  The Popes have repeatedly emphasized the incompatibility of Masonry with the Catholic faith (Paul outlines a few very clearly above).  Additionally, there are numerous writings and actions that attest to its anti-Catholic nature.

While it is true that the men at the local lodge may not know or realize this, it does not change the history regarding Masonry and what it stands for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freemasonry is undoubtedly anti-Catholic.  The Popes have repeatedly emphasized the incompatibility of Masonry with the Catholic faith (Paul outlines a few very clearly above).  Additionally, there are numerous writings and actions that attest to its anti-Catholic nature.</p>
<p>While it is true that the men at the local lodge may not know or realize this, it does not change the history regarding Masonry and what it stands for.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jane M</dc:creator>
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		<description>Buffalo Bill converted to Catholicism on his death bed and asked for a Catholic funeral.  The Masons in Denver stole his body over the protests of his wife and had a great public parade and a completely non-Catholic funeral.  This was reported in the papers in Denver at the time.  I have always thought of this when trying to evaluate Washington&#039;s connection with the Masons. If I wouldn&#039;t trust what they said about Buffalo Bill why would I trust them on Washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buffalo Bill converted to Catholicism on his death bed and asked for a Catholic funeral.  The Masons in Denver stole his body over the protests of his wife and had a great public parade and a completely non-Catholic funeral.  This was reported in the papers in Denver at the time.  I have always thought of this when trying to evaluate Washington&#8217;s connection with the Masons. If I wouldn&#8217;t trust what they said about Buffalo Bill why would I trust them on Washington.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Milton</dc:creator>
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		<description>It is silly to say Freemasonry welcomes men of all religions, when it encourages beliefs and for men to take oaths against and in violation of the practice of their religion.

I think particularly of the masonic belief that there is a knowable Truth (the knowledge that is God) that can be achieved solely through man&#039;s reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is silly to say Freemasonry welcomes men of all religions, when it encourages beliefs and for men to take oaths against and in violation of the practice of their religion.</p>
<p>I think particularly of the masonic belief that there is a knowable Truth (the knowledge that is God) that can be achieved solely through man&#8217;s reason.</p>
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