Comments on: Fake Republican Endorses Real Democrat http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/01/fake-republican-endorses-real-democrat/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Thu, 24 May 2012 12:58:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: ken weible http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/01/fake-republican-endorses-real-democrat/#comment-5109 ken weible Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:33:57 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=14234#comment-5109 Newt Gingrich is hurt most by the Conservative backlash in the Republican Party. Newt gave up a million dollar book deal and put his party ahead of his personal gain. As speaker he was headed for historical greatness. He cut spending, voted on all promise made in the Contract For America. He was bombarded by well over 1 hundred phony etics charges. He was deserted by the liberal Republicans who wanted to out spend the Democrats. His career was ruined. He was completely cleared of all charges but it took 5 years and by then it was too late. I can't blame him for trying to go along to get along; he had been there before. He was deserted by the liberals and now Conservatives are puting him down for backing the chalk dog in the NY race. His voice should be heeded. There are a hell of a lot more Conservative Republican Commitees across the US than Liberal. Newt Gingrich is hurt most by the Conservative backlash in the Republican Party. Newt gave up a million dollar book deal and put his party ahead of his personal gain. As speaker he was headed for historical greatness. He cut spending, voted on all promise made in the Contract For America. He was bombarded by well over 1 hundred phony etics charges. He was deserted by the liberal Republicans who wanted to out spend the Democrats. His career was ruined. He was completely cleared of all charges but it took 5 years and by then it was too late. I can’t blame him for trying to go along to get along; he had been there before. He was deserted by the liberals and now Conservatives are puting him down for backing the chalk dog in the NY race. His voice should be heeded. There are a hell of a lot more Conservative Republican Commitees across the US than Liberal.

]]> By: Donald R. McClarey http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/01/fake-republican-endorses-real-democrat/#comment-5108 Donald R. McClarey Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:17:20 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=14234#comment-5108 "The founding principles of the Republican Party were every bit as morality-based as the argument against abortion. In fact, the principles are one and the same." “What we want, and all we want, is to have with us the men who think slavery wrong. But those who say they hate slavery, and are opposed to it, but yet act with the Democratic party — where are they? Let us apply a few tests. You say that you think slavery is wrong, but you denounce all attempts to restrain it. Is there anything else that you think wrong, that you are not willing to deal with as a wrong? Why are you so careful, so tender of this one wrong and no other? You will not let us do a single thing as if it was wrong; there is no place where you will allow it to be even called wrong! We must not call it wrong in the Free States, because it is not there, and we must not call it wrong in the Slave States because it is there; we must not call it wrong in politics because that is bringing morality into politics, and we must not call it wrong in the pulpit because that is bringing politics into religion; we must not bring it into the Tract Society or the other societies, because those are such unsuitable places, and there is no single place, according to you, where this wrong thing can properly be called wrong!” Abraham Lincoln “The founding principles of the Republican Party were every bit as morality-based as the argument against abortion. In fact, the principles are one and the same.”

“What we want, and all we want, is to have with us the men who think slavery wrong. But those who say they hate slavery, and are opposed to it, but yet act with the Democratic party — where are they? Let us apply a few tests. You say that you think slavery is wrong, but you denounce all attempts to restrain it. Is there anything else that you think wrong, that you are not willing to deal with as a wrong? Why are you so careful, so tender of this one wrong and no other? You will not let us do a single thing as if it was wrong; there is no place where you will allow it to be even called wrong! We must not call it wrong in the Free States, because it is not there, and we must not call it wrong in the Slave States because it is there; we must not call it wrong in politics because that is bringing morality into politics, and we must not call it wrong in the pulpit because that is bringing politics into religion; we must not bring it into the Tract Society or the other societies, because those are such unsuitable places, and there is no single place, according to you, where this wrong thing can properly be called wrong!”

Abraham Lincoln

]]> By: Gabriel Austin http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/01/fake-republican-endorses-real-democrat/#comment-5107 Gabriel Austin Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:54:12 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=14234#comment-5107 Harry Truman said "If a man will not keep his word to his wife, to whom will he keep it?" Harry Truman said “If a man will not keep his word to his wife, to whom will he keep it?”

]]> By: Jay Anderson http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/01/fake-republican-endorses-real-democrat/#comment-5106 Jay Anderson Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:02:14 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=14234#comment-5106 From euandus' blog: <em>"... the basis of the party is not abortion or marriage, but, rather, limited government and individual liberty ..."</em> The founding principles of the Republican Party were every bit as morality-based as the argument against abortion. In fact, the principles are one and the same. From euandus’ blog:

“… the basis of the party is not abortion or marriage, but, rather, limited government and individual liberty …”

The founding principles of the Republican Party were every bit as morality-based as the argument against abortion. In fact, the principles are one and the same.

]]> By: euandus http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/01/fake-republican-endorses-real-democrat/#comment-5105 euandus Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:50:31 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=14234#comment-5105 I suspect that the evangelical dominance in the Republican Party will result in the party being relegated to a third party. I wonder if we may see a shift from the two parties we have known? I have posted on this at http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/the-republican-party-writing-itself-into-a-corner/ You might be interested in this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33583328/ns/politics-more_politics/ I suspect that the evangelical dominance in the Republican Party will result in the party being relegated to a third party. I wonder if we may see a shift from the two parties we have known? I have posted on this at http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/the-republican-party-writing-itself-into-a-corner/

You might be interested in this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33583328/ns/politics-more_politics/

]]> By: Paul Zummo http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/01/fake-republican-endorses-real-democrat/#comment-5104 Paul Zummo Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:10:20 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=14234#comment-5104 <i>What I have become concerned about and I think this is why Newt did what he did was the long term consequences of this. There might be a conservative vicotry here but I really wonder if this battle might mean the conservatives lose the war.</i> Here's the thing. NY-23 is a solidly Republican district. Hoffman will probably win this thing, and he certainly would have won had he been the GOP nominee from the outset. This is not a situation where a more moderate candidate was needed because it was a swing district. There was no point in nominating such a squishy candidate to begin with. Also, the circumstances surrounding the nomination were also problematic. You had a trifling few party bosses essentially trying to get a liberal Republican through over the wishes of most of the constituency. Newt might have had a decent general point about purity tests; however, in this specific case it was really a poor argument. What I have become concerned about and I think this is why Newt did what he did was the long term consequences of this. There might be a conservative vicotry here but I really wonder if this battle might mean the conservatives lose the war.

Here’s the thing. NY-23 is a solidly Republican district. Hoffman will probably win this thing, and he certainly would have won had he been the GOP nominee from the outset. This is not a situation where a more moderate candidate was needed because it was a swing district. There was no point in nominating such a squishy candidate to begin with.

Also, the circumstances surrounding the nomination were also problematic. You had a trifling few party bosses essentially trying to get a liberal Republican through over the wishes of most of the constituency.

Newt might have had a decent general point about purity tests; however, in this specific case it was really a poor argument.

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