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	<title>Comments on: Thanks to the Young, the Tide is Still Turning Toward Catholicism</title>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike writes Sunday, October 11, 2009 A.D. at 9:30 am
&quot;Gabriel Austin asked, “Was it not one of the weaknesses of the Church in pre Vatican II days that it had – that its members had – too certain a sense of salvation?”

&quot;As one who was raised in the pre-Vatican II days, including 16 years of Catholic education ending with a college diploma in 1965, I would have to answer in the negative.
&quot;In my little corner of the world (upstate New York) we were all well aware of what mortal sin was, as well as its consequences.
&quot;Our catechesis may have been overly legalistic at times, but it was not short on authentic Church teaching&quot;.

We were intellectually - superficially - aware of the catechism. But how deep did it sink?
Perhaps you do not recall the [non] reception of Humanae Vitae. Encouraged by &quot;theologians&quot; bishops simply ignored it. It was too unpopular.

The ferocity of Judy Brown&#039;s work is due to her having been told by her parish priest that it was OK to use the pill. When she discovered that he lied, she became and remains furious.

Bishop Shannon had the honesty to resign, without publicity, when he decided he could not accept Humanae Vitae.

&quot;That is just the opposite from what I see today in that same little corner of the world&quot;.

My point precisely. From overly &quot;legalistic&quot; to every man his own bishop, which is to say seeking excuses to do what we want to do, rather than what we ought to do.

I harp on this because I see a misunderstanding of the work of the Church. It is not to create an institution; that institution exists and is protected. It is rather the tiresome business of getting each of us into heaven which is our future and not being overly concerned with the future on earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike writes Sunday, October 11, 2009 A.D. at 9:30 am<br />
&#8220;Gabriel Austin asked, “Was it not one of the weaknesses of the Church in pre Vatican II days that it had – that its members had – too certain a sense of salvation?”</p>
<p>&#8220;As one who was raised in the pre-Vatican II days, including 16 years of Catholic education ending with a college diploma in 1965, I would have to answer in the negative.<br />
&#8220;In my little corner of the world (upstate New York) we were all well aware of what mortal sin was, as well as its consequences.<br />
&#8220;Our catechesis may have been overly legalistic at times, but it was not short on authentic Church teaching&#8221;.</p>
<p>We were intellectually &#8211; superficially &#8211; aware of the catechism. But how deep did it sink?<br />
Perhaps you do not recall the [non] reception of Humanae Vitae. Encouraged by &#8220;theologians&#8221; bishops simply ignored it. It was too unpopular.</p>
<p>The ferocity of Judy Brown&#8217;s work is due to her having been told by her parish priest that it was OK to use the pill. When she discovered that he lied, she became and remains furious.</p>
<p>Bishop Shannon had the honesty to resign, without publicity, when he decided he could not accept Humanae Vitae.</p>
<p>&#8220;That is just the opposite from what I see today in that same little corner of the world&#8221;.</p>
<p>My point precisely. From overly &#8220;legalistic&#8221; to every man his own bishop, which is to say seeking excuses to do what we want to do, rather than what we ought to do.</p>
<p>I harp on this because I see a misunderstanding of the work of the Church. It is not to create an institution; that institution exists and is protected. It is rather the tiresome business of getting each of us into heaven which is our future and not being overly concerned with the future on earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriel Austin asked, &quot;Was it not one of the weaknesses of the Church in pre Vatican II days that it had – that its members had – too certain a sense of salvation?&quot;

As one who was raised in the pre-Vatican II days, including 16 years of Catholic education ending with a college diploma in 1965, I would have to answer in the negative.

In my little corner of the world (upstate New York) we were all well aware of what mortal sin was, as well as its consequences.

Our catechesis may have been overly legalistic at times, but it was not short on authentic Church teaching.

That is just the opposite from what I see today in that same little corner of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel Austin asked, &#8220;Was it not one of the weaknesses of the Church in pre Vatican II days that it had – that its members had – too certain a sense of salvation?&#8221;</p>
<p>As one who was raised in the pre-Vatican II days, including 16 years of Catholic education ending with a college diploma in 1965, I would have to answer in the negative.</p>
<p>In my little corner of the world (upstate New York) we were all well aware of what mortal sin was, as well as its consequences.</p>
<p>Our catechesis may have been overly legalistic at times, but it was not short on authentic Church teaching.</p>
<p>That is just the opposite from what I see today in that same little corner of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Tito Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tito Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

A fine start to your contribution on the American Catholic website.

I do see these changes, but as Father Zuhlsdorf says, brick by brick.

Lets be the change agents at each of our own parishes as we assist our churches to return reverence and orthodoxy with charity back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>A fine start to your contribution on the American Catholic website.</p>
<p>I do see these changes, but as Father Zuhlsdorf says, brick by brick.</p>
<p>Lets be the change agents at each of our own parishes as we assist our churches to return reverence and orthodoxy with charity back!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/10/08/tide-turning-catholicism/#comment-27968</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope my children or perhaps my grandchildren live to see that you are correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope my children or perhaps my grandchildren live to see that you are correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it is a mistake to write of &quot;Catholicism&quot;, as though it is but another ISM. The Church and the sacraments are but the means to get us into heaven. As the Church teaches, you may go to Mass every day of your life and still fail.

As the council fathers of Vatican II attempted to indicate, every person in the world is a potential Catholic. Being human is being almost a Catholic.

Was it not one of the weaknesses of the Church in pre Vatican II days that it had - that its members had - too certain a sense of salvation? That it did not pay attention to Satan who roams the world seeking whom he many devour?

The sudden rise of divorce, of contraception, of abortion demonstrated how weak were the defenses of Catholics against these temptations. And how too sure of themselves were our bishops, who even today do not &quot;like&quot; to bring up these subjects.

These failed shepherds will have much to explain when called to give their accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it is a mistake to write of &#8220;Catholicism&#8221;, as though it is but another ISM. The Church and the sacraments are but the means to get us into heaven. As the Church teaches, you may go to Mass every day of your life and still fail.</p>
<p>As the council fathers of Vatican II attempted to indicate, every person in the world is a potential Catholic. Being human is being almost a Catholic.</p>
<p>Was it not one of the weaknesses of the Church in pre Vatican II days that it had &#8211; that its members had &#8211; too certain a sense of salvation? That it did not pay attention to Satan who roams the world seeking whom he many devour?</p>
<p>The sudden rise of divorce, of contraception, of abortion demonstrated how weak were the defenses of Catholics against these temptations. And how too sure of themselves were our bishops, who even today do not &#8220;like&#8221; to bring up these subjects.</p>
<p>These failed shepherds will have much to explain when called to give their accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: afl</title>
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		<dc:creator>afl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. K. It was good to see that Elmira was listed  in my old parish I left years ago ( and I do mean years ago ) Our current Bishop came from that city and there are still many othodox young people there. I remember Bishop Sheen when he did his best to create the right environment for all of us in the Diocese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. K. It was good to see that Elmira was listed  in my old parish I left years ago ( and I do mean years ago ) Our current Bishop came from that city and there are still many othodox young people there. I remember Bishop Sheen when he did his best to create the right environment for all of us in the Diocese.</p>
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