Comments on: Republicans Should Find an Approach to 'Universal Health Care' They Like http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/10/01/republicans-should-find-an-approach-to-universal-health-care-they-like/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Thu, 24 May 2012 09:29:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: restrainedradical http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/10/01/republicans-should-find-an-approach-to-universal-health-care-they-like/#comment-13185 restrainedradical Sun, 04 Oct 2009 06:49:36 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=13062#comment-13185 Agreed. The GOP can actually out-healthcare the Dems by proposing a market-driven alternative of their own. They have tort reform on their side. Most Republicans already support guaranteed issue. You don't need a mandate during this round of reform because guaranteed issue will eventually lead to a mandate. Agreed. The GOP can actually out-healthcare the Dems by proposing a market-driven alternative of their own. They have tort reform on their side. Most Republicans already support guaranteed issue. You don’t need a mandate during this round of reform because guaranteed issue will eventually lead to a mandate.

]]> By: DarwinCatholic http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/10/01/republicans-should-find-an-approach-to-universal-health-care-they-like/#comment-13184 DarwinCatholic Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:28:04 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=13062#comment-13184 I don't think there's any point in putting another proposal forward now, actually. More like the GOP should plan on having a fairly clear proposal to run on in 2010 with the claim, "Democrats said they were going to give us health care reform, but instead they gave us an incredibly expensive boondogle that hardly helps anyone, makes things more complicated and doesn't even go into effect until 2013. We have a simple, cost effective plan now." Or, indeed, some presidential candidate could make that the theme in 2012, the interest still seemed to be there. I don't think the GOP has to push something now, because it would vanish down a political black hole. It's more that I think if the GOP is successful in staving off the Dems this time, they need to bring a very solid proposal to the table next time they do end up with a majority (or are trying to get a majority) and get something real done. Otherwise, we'll end up running this same farce again in 10-12 years just as we did in 93 and 09. I don’t think there’s any point in putting another proposal forward now, actually. More like the GOP should plan on having a fairly clear proposal to run on in 2010 with the claim, “Democrats said they were going to give us health care reform, but instead they gave us an incredibly expensive boondogle that hardly helps anyone, makes things more complicated and doesn’t even go into effect until 2013. We have a simple, cost effective plan now.”

Or, indeed, some presidential candidate could make that the theme in 2012, the interest still seemed to be there.

I don’t think the GOP has to push something now, because it would vanish down a political black hole. It’s more that I think if the GOP is successful in staving off the Dems this time, they need to bring a very solid proposal to the table next time they do end up with a majority (or are trying to get a majority) and get something real done. Otherwise, we’ll end up running this same farce again in 10-12 years just as we did in 93 and 09.

]]> By: e. http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/10/01/republicans-should-find-an-approach-to-universal-health-care-they-like/#comment-13183 e. Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:24:21 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=13062#comment-13183 <blockquote>Not that I think the Republicans shouldn't have a concrete counter-proposal, but I can't help but wonder why they should bother.</blockquote> One of the reasons why I happen to disagree with DarwinCatholic insofar as Republicans needing to present an alternative proposal is because of the fact that it is the Democrat-ic administration that is proposing a change in the status quo and, therefore, I would think, the burden falls on them. While the status quo itself might seem unacceptable, it doesn't help at all should the change, such as those that the Democrats at the Hill actually advocate, would result in even worse circumstances, as clearly the case has been for our Canadian neighbors as far as a similarly conceived/implemented national healthcare is concerned. It may very well be the case that the status quo is far more preferable than any of the proposals currently in play. It would be better for folks to first take the time seriously required (be it months or even years) to formulate something that would be far more superior than those we have now as opposed to having any such plan, regardless of the consequences, put in place simply for the sake of expediency as well as appeasing certain parties.

Not that I think the Republicans shouldn’t have a concrete counter-proposal, but I can’t help but wonder why they should bother.

One of the reasons why I happen to disagree with DarwinCatholic insofar as Republicans needing to present an alternative proposal is because of the fact that it is the Democrat-ic administration that is proposing a change in the status quo and, therefore, I would think, the burden falls on them.

While the status quo itself might seem unacceptable, it doesn’t help at all should the change, such as those that the Democrats at the Hill actually advocate, would result in even worse circumstances, as clearly the case has been for our Canadian neighbors as far as a similarly conceived/implemented national healthcare is concerned.

It may very well be the case that the status quo is far more preferable than any of the proposals currently in play.

It would be better for folks to first take the time seriously required (be it months or even years) to formulate something that would be far more superior than those we have now as opposed to having any such plan, regardless of the consequences, put in place simply for the sake of expediency as well as appeasing certain parties.

]]> By: Paul Zummo http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/10/01/republicans-should-find-an-approach-to-universal-health-care-they-like/#comment-13182 Paul Zummo Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:12:44 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=13062#comment-13182 Point of clarification: the "they" being upset being the public at large. Point of clarification: the “they” being upset being the public at large.

]]> By: Paul Zummo http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/10/01/republicans-should-find-an-approach-to-universal-health-care-they-like/#comment-13181 Paul Zummo Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:11:30 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=13062#comment-13181 Not that I think the Republicans shouldn't have a concrete counter-proposal, but I can't help but wonder why they should bother. Honestly, why go through the motions when you know nothing you offer has a chance in hell of being adopted? It could be argued that the GOP should take the time to present a more viable option for public consumption. Perhaps. But again, how much does the public really care? If they are upset with or simply don't like the Democrats' proposal, then does it really matter <i>politically</i> whether or not the GOP offers a substantive health care plan? I repeat, these are mainly political points. I do think that minority parties should formulate concrete ideas and not simply say no to everything. Not that I think the Republicans shouldn’t have a concrete counter-proposal, but I can’t help but wonder why they should bother. Honestly, why go through the motions when you know nothing you offer has a chance in hell of being adopted?

It could be argued that the GOP should take the time to present a more viable option for public consumption. Perhaps. But again, how much does the public really care? If they are upset with or simply don’t like the Democrats’ proposal, then does it really matter politically whether or not the GOP offers a substantive health care plan?

I repeat, these are mainly political points. I do think that minority parties should formulate concrete ideas and not simply say no to everything.

]]> By: DarwinCatholic http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/10/01/republicans-should-find-an-approach-to-universal-health-care-they-like/#comment-13180 DarwinCatholic Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:03:30 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=13062#comment-13180 Agreed, and I think that's why they'll pretty much die on the vine with this one. Agreed, and I think that’s why they’ll pretty much die on the vine with this one.

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