Comments on: History and the End of Schism http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/16/unity-catholic-orthodox/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:02:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nancy http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/16/unity-catholic-orthodox/#comment-33180 Nancy Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:44:02 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12569#comment-33180 Regarding the Unity of The Holy Spirit and the Filioque: If we believe in the UNITY of God, The Father, The Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, of all that is, seen and unseen AND one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of The Father, God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God, begotten, not made, ONE IN BEING with The Father...THEN, in order to be a Trinity, The Holy Spirit, The Love Between The Father And The Son, must proceed from The Father AND The Son, to begin with. Regarding the Unity of The Holy Spirit and the Filioque: If we believe in the UNITY of God, The Father, The Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, of all that is, seen and unseen AND one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of The Father, God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God, begotten, not made, ONE IN BEING with The Father…THEN, in order to be a Trinity, The Holy Spirit, The Love Between The Father And The Son, must proceed from The Father AND The Son, to begin with.

]]> By: Tito Edwards http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/16/unity-catholic-orthodox/#comment-33179 Tito Edwards Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:16:55 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12569#comment-33179 Panagiotis Dimitriadis, I noticed you referred to Catholic with the small "c", but the Orthodox with the large "O". You need to remove the speck in your own eye before commenting. By the way, the ARK is the Virgin Mary carrying Jesus to birth and I referred to the Mount Athos crowd, ie, those like yourself that hold ill-will towards Catholicism in general and unity in particular. Panagiotis Dimitriadis,

I noticed you referred to Catholic with the small “c”, but the Orthodox with the large “O”.

You need to remove the speck in your own eye before commenting.

By the way, the ARK is the Virgin Mary carrying Jesus to birth and I referred to the Mount Athos crowd, ie, those like yourself that hold ill-will towards Catholicism in general and unity in particular.

]]> By: Matt McDonald http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/16/unity-catholic-orthodox/#comment-33178 Matt McDonald Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:40:49 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12569#comment-33178 Panagiotis Dimitriadis, <i>It is unfortunate that such ignorance or malice exists among those roman catholics who respect the Orthodox Church and desire to be united to it</i> We desire the return of ALL Christians to the One Holy <b>C</b>atholic Church. We pray that the Orthodox chuch<b>es</b> return in their integrity as particular churches. Your pride is one of the many obstacles standing in the way of real progress toward unity in Christ. Panagiotis Dimitriadis,

It is unfortunate that such ignorance or malice exists among those roman catholics who respect the Orthodox Church and desire to be united to it

We desire the return of ALL Christians to the One Holy Catholic Church. We pray that the Orthodox chuches return in their integrity as particular churches.

Your pride is one of the many obstacles standing in the way of real progress toward unity in Christ.

]]> By: Panagiotis Dimitriadis http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/16/unity-catholic-orthodox/#comment-33177 Panagiotis Dimitriadis Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:33:00 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12569#comment-33177 Mr. Edwards and friends, In your article/commentary you said the following, which needs correction: "Outside of malefactors such as the Mount Athos crowd and the Orthodox resentment of the sacking of Constantinople, anything is possible." Webster's dictionary defines malefactor as: "one who does ill toward another". It is unfortunate that such ignorance or malice exists among those roman catholics who respect the Orthodox Church and desire to be united to it. For, the Holy Mountain of Athos is THE ark of true Christian Spiritual Life in the Church, a bastion of true Christian spiritual practice and defender of the Truth of Revelation for over 1000 years. Her life and Saints are the heart of the Orthodox Church in the 2nd millenium. To say that the holy fathers of Athos are intent on doing ill to others or even to the desire for true unity in Christ is an affront to all who love Truth and to all Orthodox Christians. They have been and are today lights to every sincere practitioner of Christian love and without them and their agreement no true union can take place. Your ignorance is one of the many obstacles standing in the way of real progress toward unity in Christ. I hope that you will correct your error and take time to learn more about the Garden of the All-Holy Mother of God (as Athos is known). Sincerely, Panagiotis Dimitriadis Mr. Edwards and friends,

In your article/commentary you said the following, which needs correction:

“Outside of malefactors such as the Mount Athos crowd and the Orthodox resentment of the sacking of Constantinople, anything is possible.”

Webster’s dictionary defines malefactor as:

“one who does ill toward another”.

It is unfortunate that such ignorance or malice exists among those roman catholics who respect the Orthodox Church and desire to be united to it. For, the Holy Mountain of Athos is THE ark of true Christian Spiritual Life in the Church, a bastion of true Christian spiritual practice and defender of the Truth of Revelation for over 1000 years. Her life and Saints are the heart of the Orthodox Church in the 2nd millenium. To say that the holy fathers of Athos are intent on doing ill to others or even to the desire for true unity in Christ is an affront to all who love Truth and to all Orthodox Christians. They have been and are today lights to every sincere practitioner of Christian love and without them and their agreement no true union can take place.

Your ignorance is one of the many obstacles standing in the way of real progress toward unity in Christ. I hope that you will correct your error and take time to learn more about the Garden of the All-Holy Mother of God (as Athos is known).

Sincerely,

Panagiotis Dimitriadis

]]> By: Tito Edwards http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/16/unity-catholic-orthodox/#comment-33176 Tito Edwards Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:52:32 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12569#comment-33176 I like the fact that we are able to partake in some sacraments with the Orthodox under certain conditions. Though the Orthodox in America are more receptive to this, do you see this attitude changing for the better in traditional Orthodox lands? I am aware of the amount of distrust that many Greeks and Russians share towards Catholics, is this changing as well? Just questions because of all of the ecumenical efforts we've done since Vatican II, it is the Orthodox that I see real progress in reuniting with more than any other ecclesiastical group (the Orthodox being the only other real Church). I like the fact that we are able to partake in some sacraments with the Orthodox under certain conditions.

Though the Orthodox in America are more receptive to this, do you see this attitude changing for the better in traditional Orthodox lands?

I am aware of the amount of distrust that many Greeks and Russians share towards Catholics, is this changing as well?

Just questions because of all of the ecumenical efforts we’ve done since Vatican II, it is the Orthodox that I see real progress in reuniting with more than any other ecclesiastical group (the Orthodox being the only other real Church).

]]> By: Henry Karlson http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/16/unity-catholic-orthodox/#comment-33175 Henry Karlson Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:05:56 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12569#comment-33175 Matt is more or less right here. The Catholic Church is more permissive than the Orthodox (any Orthodox is welcome to take our communion, but told to follow the rules of their jurisdiction), and we are told, in various circumstances (not all) that we can take Orthodox communion (though most Orthodox will not give it to Catholics, some will). Then there are some, like the Armenian Orthodox and Catholic, who freely share communion. Matt is more or less right here. The Catholic Church is more permissive than the Orthodox (any Orthodox is welcome to take our communion, but told to follow the rules of their jurisdiction), and we are told, in various circumstances (not all) that we can take Orthodox communion (though most Orthodox will not give it to Catholics, some will). Then there are some, like the Armenian Orthodox and Catholic, who freely share communion.

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