Comments on: Pro-Abort Catholic Politicians and the Church http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/09/pro-abort-catholic-politicians-and-the-church/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Thu, 24 May 2012 02:41:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Karl http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/09/pro-abort-catholic-politicians-and-the-church/#comment-4192 Karl Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:14:39 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12424#comment-4192 And what of Catholic priests and bishops who encourage divorces when they know that one of the parties is opposed to the divorce and they, the Catholic priests and bishops, flatly refuse to listen to them as they plead for action to support their marriage? What when this goes on for twenty years and the Holy see has completely ignored the same please? Some of us have seen this and have chosen to leave the Catholic Church over this. Why is there no support among "rank and file" Catholics for the plight of abandoned spouses who have to defend their marriage against both civil courts and marriage tribunals? And why, when one has defended one's marriage before the highest courts in the Catholic Church, and watched those courts uphold that marriage, is their no action on the part of priests, bishops and the Roman Curia to canonically hold to account a spouse who has abandoned, wrongly, a faithful spouse, when the evidence is clear and in the possession of the Catholic Church(and has been for twenty years) that the marriage was usurped with the full cooperation of priests(to this day) and bishops(to this day)with mostly complete disregard for the valid, sacramental marriage? I think the politicians should receive a bye on this divorce/annulment issue while the Catholic Church tends to the clergy whose actions are far more harmful in this regard. Only after the Catholic Church has tended to its own, in house, facilitators of adultery and all the crimes that unjust divorce entails should it take the time to attempt to call to order catholic politicians. the house should be in order before that house attempts to call others to order. Just my two cents. And what of Catholic priests and bishops who encourage divorces when they know that one of the parties is opposed to the divorce and they, the Catholic priests and bishops, flatly refuse to listen to them as they plead for action to support their marriage? What when this goes on for twenty years and the Holy see has completely ignored the same please?

Some of us have seen this and have chosen to leave the Catholic Church over this. Why is there no support among “rank and file” Catholics for the plight of abandoned spouses who have to defend their marriage against both civil courts and marriage tribunals? And why, when one has defended one’s marriage before the highest courts in the Catholic Church, and watched those courts uphold that marriage, is their no action on the part of priests, bishops and the Roman Curia to canonically hold to account a spouse who has abandoned, wrongly, a faithful spouse, when the evidence is clear and in the possession of the Catholic Church(and has been for twenty years) that the marriage was usurped with the full cooperation of priests(to this day) and bishops(to this day)with mostly complete disregard for the valid, sacramental marriage?

I think the politicians should receive a bye on this divorce/annulment issue while the Catholic Church tends to the clergy whose actions are far more harmful in this regard. Only after the Catholic Church has tended to its own, in house, facilitators of adultery and all the crimes that unjust divorce entails should it take the time to attempt to call to order catholic politicians. the house should be in order before that house attempts to call others to order.

Just my two cents.

]]> By: Matt McDonald http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/09/pro-abort-catholic-politicians-and-the-church/#comment-4191 Matt McDonald Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:04:25 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12424#comment-4191 Elaine, <i>I don’t think even JPII would have argued that it was “evil” for a woman to divorce a husband who was beating her or molesting their children, or a man to divorce a wife who was shooting up drugs and prostituting herself to get the money for them, or had taken up witchcraft or Satan worship, etc.</i> divorce is still an "evil", but it is the guilty party who is culpable. In the same sense, war is an "evil", and the unjust aggressor is culpable. Elaine,

I don’t think even JPII would have argued that it was “evil” for a woman to divorce a husband who was beating her or molesting their children, or a man to divorce a wife who was shooting up drugs and prostituting herself to get the money for them, or had taken up witchcraft or Satan worship, etc.

divorce is still an “evil”, but it is the guilty party who is culpable. In the same sense, war is an “evil”, and the unjust aggressor is culpable.

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]]> By: Donald R. McClarey http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/09/pro-abort-catholic-politicians-and-the-church/#comment-4189 Donald R. McClarey Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:26:07 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12424#comment-4189 You can also add into the complexity mix Elaine that clients are often less than forthcoming in this area of the law, and will frequently tell their attorney all about the misdeeds, real or imagined, of their spouse while not mentioning their own. Not infrequently this is being done in a high state of emotion, especially when the custody of children is at stake, and quick decisions often have to be made by the attorney. In hotly contested custody cases sex abuse allegations regarding the kids not infrequently enter into the case, and often the attorney has no way of knowing if the allegations are true. This is a difficult area of the law for an attorney concerned about following a moral path, and, unfortunately, not difficult at all for an attorney completely unconcerned with the morality of what is going on. You can also add into the complexity mix Elaine that clients are often less than forthcoming in this area of the law, and will frequently tell their attorney all about the misdeeds, real or imagined, of their spouse while not mentioning their own. Not infrequently this is being done in a high state of emotion, especially when the custody of children is at stake, and quick decisions often have to be made by the attorney. In hotly contested custody cases sex abuse allegations regarding the kids not infrequently enter into the case, and often the attorney has no way of knowing if the allegations are true. This is a difficult area of the law for an attorney concerned about following a moral path, and, unfortunately, not difficult at all for an attorney completely unconcerned with the morality of what is going on.

]]> By: Elaine Krewer http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/09/pro-abort-catholic-politicians-and-the-church/#comment-4188 Elaine Krewer Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:11:54 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12424#comment-4188 On the other hand, if it's just a case of a man or woman having fallen in "love" with someone else and wanting to divorce their spouse to marry their partner in adultery, that's another story, and a case in which I would think no observant Catholic lawyer would want to get involved. On the other hand, if it’s just a case of a man or woman having fallen in “love” with someone else and wanting to divorce their spouse to marry their partner in adultery, that’s another story, and a case in which I would think no observant Catholic lawyer would want to get involved.

]]> By: Elaine Krewer http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/09/pro-abort-catholic-politicians-and-the-church/#comment-4187 Elaine Krewer Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:08:37 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=12424#comment-4187 But how can civil divorce really be "contrary to justice" in cases where an innocent spouse is merely trying to remove herself or himself and any children from a situation that gravely endangers their physical, mental, or spiritual health or safety? I don't think even JPII would have argued that it was "evil" for a woman to divorce a husband who was beating her or molesting their children, or a man to divorce a wife who was shooting up drugs and prostituting herself to get the money for them, or had taken up witchcraft or Satan worship, etc. But how can civil divorce really be “contrary to justice” in cases where an innocent spouse is merely trying to remove herself or himself and any children from a situation that gravely endangers their physical, mental, or spiritual health or safety?

I don’t think even JPII would have argued that it was “evil” for a woman to divorce a husband who was beating her or molesting their children, or a man to divorce a wife who was shooting up drugs and prostituting herself to get the money for them, or had taken up witchcraft or Satan worship, etc.

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