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	<title>Comments on: Frances Kissling Mourns Ted Kennedy</title>
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		<title>By: Brown Pelican Society of Louisiana &#187; LifeSiteNews NewsBytes Sept. 6 - More Commentaries on the Kennedy Funeral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brown Pelican Society of Louisiana &#187; LifeSiteNews NewsBytes Sept. 6 - More Commentaries on the Kennedy Funeral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Ted Kennedy had the good fortune to engage in discourse about abortion and Catholicism before the papacy of John Paul II virtually closed the window on the lively debate that was going on among theologians about abortion.&#8221; http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/08/29/frances-kissling-mourns-ted-kennedy/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Ted Kennedy had the good fortune to engage in discourse about abortion and Catholicism before the papacy of John Paul II virtually closed the window on the lively debate that was going on among theologians about abortion.&#8221; <a href="http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/08/29/frances-kissling-mourns-ted-kennedy/" rel="nofollow">http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/08/29/frances-kissling-mourns-ted-kennedy/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ron chandonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron chandonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This untouching tribute is certainly more realistic than the blather from the funeral that is now enshrined on YouTube and linked on Vox Nova.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This untouching tribute is certainly more realistic than the blather from the funeral that is now enshrined on YouTube and linked on Vox Nova.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Kissling Mourns Ted Kennedy &#124; Pelican Project Pro-Life</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/08/29/frances-kissling-mourns-ted-kennedy/#comment-3988</link>
		<dc:creator>Frances Kissling Mourns Ted Kennedy &#124; Pelican Project Pro-Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Go here to read the rest:  Frances Kissling Mourns Ted Kennedy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Donald R. McClarey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald R. McClarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have already stated that I pray for his soul Eric.  I hope he had a glimmer of true repentance before he departed this life.  I seek not to judge his soul but rather what is of public record as to his life.  As for his life, I mourn the great evil that he did, the children who are not alive because of his championing of abortion and the Catholics led astray on abortion and other matters by his abysmal example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already stated that I pray for his soul Eric.  I hope he had a glimmer of true repentance before he departed this life.  I seek not to judge his soul but rather what is of public record as to his life.  As for his life, I mourn the great evil that he did, the children who are not alive because of his championing of abortion and the Catholics led astray on abortion and other matters by his abysmal example.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald,

To mourn is simply to grieve or lament for the dead. I&#039;m saddened that Senator Kennedy held an intellectually flawed view and that he had not the opportunity to resolve it -- because of the gravity of it -- in this life. I am saddened that it is even amongst the list of sins he must account for. I have hope in his reception of the last Rites and in the mercy of God -- for there is where his salvation lies.

There is no honor nor anything won, justice or otherwise, in listing alitany of a man&#039;s sins after he has died. One might judge the legacy or lack thereof left behind, but that should not render any ultimate judgment on the person.

A true, pious Catholic would mourn his death in my view. Otherwise, we are presupposing he is incapable of salvation and being saved -- and that is a judgment.

Kissling mourns Kennedy as a champion for &quot;reproductive rights.&quot; Her mourning is misplaced. Her ideological committment is unjust as it opposes the absolute right to life of the unborn. Nothing justifies what she and Kennedy in his life advocated.

But I do extend the benefit of the doubt, perhaps too kindly. I have not always been pro-life in the Catholic sense. And when I believed things contrary to what is asked of us by the Magisterium, I did not actually -- as some would say -- really know the Truth explicitly and just reject it anyway. On the contrary, I literally believed what I thought reflected reality and I didn&#039;t advocate just &quot;opinions.&quot; Every relativist is an absolutist trying to undermine their opponent&#039;s argument by taking away the absolute while not applying the standard to their own position.

I think the tragedy of the pro-choice position is that one literally convinces one&#039;s self to not believe the most obvious reality -- the humanity of the unborn. I have once denied this reality. Even when I first became Catholic, it took a while for me to come around. But it was patience -- real patience -- not relativism that persuaded me.

I feel sometimes this does not happen because of the abrasive way -- though I understand the frustration -- we go after those who fool themselves on this issue.

If anything, if Kennedy has not won union with God -- and I sincerely with every fiber of my being pray that he has -- then I think it is a sadness worth mourning. For a creature, a beautiful creature -- as is all humanity -- who has been offered a gift, the Lord Himself and union with Him, to be adopted as His Sons, and offered the Eucharist, a gift not even endowed unto angels -- ultimately would be found guilty of rejecting that gift and will suffer the unmentionable reality that such fallen creatures will endure for eternity.

That&#039;s my two cents. Pray for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald,</p>
<p>To mourn is simply to grieve or lament for the dead. I&#8217;m saddened that Senator Kennedy held an intellectually flawed view and that he had not the opportunity to resolve it &#8212; because of the gravity of it &#8212; in this life. I am saddened that it is even amongst the list of sins he must account for. I have hope in his reception of the last Rites and in the mercy of God &#8212; for there is where his salvation lies.</p>
<p>There is no honor nor anything won, justice or otherwise, in listing alitany of a man&#8217;s sins after he has died. One might judge the legacy or lack thereof left behind, but that should not render any ultimate judgment on the person.</p>
<p>A true, pious Catholic would mourn his death in my view. Otherwise, we are presupposing he is incapable of salvation and being saved &#8212; and that is a judgment.</p>
<p>Kissling mourns Kennedy as a champion for &#8220;reproductive rights.&#8221; Her mourning is misplaced. Her ideological committment is unjust as it opposes the absolute right to life of the unborn. Nothing justifies what she and Kennedy in his life advocated.</p>
<p>But I do extend the benefit of the doubt, perhaps too kindly. I have not always been pro-life in the Catholic sense. And when I believed things contrary to what is asked of us by the Magisterium, I did not actually &#8212; as some would say &#8212; really know the Truth explicitly and just reject it anyway. On the contrary, I literally believed what I thought reflected reality and I didn&#8217;t advocate just &#8220;opinions.&#8221; Every relativist is an absolutist trying to undermine their opponent&#8217;s argument by taking away the absolute while not applying the standard to their own position.</p>
<p>I think the tragedy of the pro-choice position is that one literally convinces one&#8217;s self to not believe the most obvious reality &#8212; the humanity of the unborn. I have once denied this reality. Even when I first became Catholic, it took a while for me to come around. But it was patience &#8212; real patience &#8212; not relativism that persuaded me.</p>
<p>I feel sometimes this does not happen because of the abrasive way &#8212; though I understand the frustration &#8212; we go after those who fool themselves on this issue.</p>
<p>If anything, if Kennedy has not won union with God &#8212; and I sincerely with every fiber of my being pray that he has &#8212; then I think it is a sadness worth mourning. For a creature, a beautiful creature &#8212; as is all humanity &#8212; who has been offered a gift, the Lord Himself and union with Him, to be adopted as His Sons, and offered the Eucharist, a gift not even endowed unto angels &#8212; ultimately would be found guilty of rejecting that gift and will suffer the unmentionable reality that such fallen creatures will endure for eternity.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my two cents. Pray for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Krewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Krewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darwin, while I agree that the all-star team of Catholic dissidents described by Kissling is indeed a black spot in American Catholic history -- on a par with the infamous Land O&#039;Lakes conference -- to say that they met to &quot;plot the slaughter of millions&quot; is IMHO an exaggeration. Abortion was ALREADY legal in some states by 1970 and was openly being practiced even in places where it wasn&#039;t legal, so the &quot;slaughter&quot; was already underway.

The issue facing Kennedy and Co. at the time was whether to fight it or go along with it, and they of course chose the latter for reasons of political expediency.  However, to say they &quot;plotted the slaughter&quot; implies that legalized abortion didn&#039;t exist at the time and it was all their idea.

I suspect their main concern was how to provide some kind of Catholic faith-based justification for going along with what appeared to be an inevitable change in society (the spread of the sexual revolution and abortion on demand) rather than risk their political and academic futures by appearing to be &quot;reactionary.&quot; Certainly nothing to be proud of, by any means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darwin, while I agree that the all-star team of Catholic dissidents described by Kissling is indeed a black spot in American Catholic history &#8212; on a par with the infamous Land O&#8217;Lakes conference &#8212; to say that they met to &#8220;plot the slaughter of millions&#8221; is IMHO an exaggeration. Abortion was ALREADY legal in some states by 1970 and was openly being practiced even in places where it wasn&#8217;t legal, so the &#8220;slaughter&#8221; was already underway.</p>
<p>The issue facing Kennedy and Co. at the time was whether to fight it or go along with it, and they of course chose the latter for reasons of political expediency.  However, to say they &#8220;plotted the slaughter&#8221; implies that legalized abortion didn&#8217;t exist at the time and it was all their idea.</p>
<p>I suspect their main concern was how to provide some kind of Catholic faith-based justification for going along with what appeared to be an inevitable change in society (the spread of the sexual revolution and abortion on demand) rather than risk their political and academic futures by appearing to be &#8220;reactionary.&#8221; Certainly nothing to be proud of, by any means.</p>
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