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		<title>By: Lizzette Vanicek</title>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of (temporarily) de-railing the thread - my thanks to everyone for your best wishes. A few clarifications. Yes, it hasn&#039;t been easy - but the change was a release from a terrible situation I&#039;d resigned myself to live in with what grace I could. I just hoped for an early and honourable death.

In that regard, I was no different from any trans woman. I don&#039;t see their situation as being any more of a choice than mine was. In fact, the only difference between them and myself is that I lacked their courage to act with honesty and integrity. I kept on living a lie until that became impossible.

My son has just turned eight. He was three at the time the change started. I used to do (and still do) some simple stage magic, making coins vanish and re-appear to entertain children, that kind of thing. He viewed my changing into a woman as being just another magic trick.

He understands more now. There are some children at his school with two mommies, but he&#039;s the only one whose daddy turned into a girl before his very eyes. He doesn&#039;t say that to other kids though, as they don&#039;t believe him.

It is... difficult... explaining to new after-school carers and teachers just exactly what the relationship between my boy and myself is. You just have to see the funny side.

Women as terribly intersexed as I am are almost always unable to have children. Now I could not carry my child, and yes, my instincts feel a pang there, but he is my son, my own flesh and blood, and my heart goes out to all those women who were unable to conceive. I wasn&#039;t either, but I cheated.

I&#039;d count my blessings - but I have far too many of them to count. Let&#039;s see, a release from a hellish situation (you know  about half in that situation suicide?), able to have a child despite unbelievable odds...  Oh yes, I&#039;ve been blessed all right. The only question I have is why me? Why not one of the many people I know who deserve it far more than I did?

Now after that little digression, back to the issues at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of (temporarily) de-railing the thread &#8211; my thanks to everyone for your best wishes. A few clarifications. Yes, it hasn&#8217;t been easy &#8211; but the change was a release from a terrible situation I&#8217;d resigned myself to live in with what grace I could. I just hoped for an early and honourable death.</p>
<p>In that regard, I was no different from any trans woman. I don&#8217;t see their situation as being any more of a choice than mine was. In fact, the only difference between them and myself is that I lacked their courage to act with honesty and integrity. I kept on living a lie until that became impossible.</p>
<p>My son has just turned eight. He was three at the time the change started. I used to do (and still do) some simple stage magic, making coins vanish and re-appear to entertain children, that kind of thing. He viewed my changing into a woman as being just another magic trick.</p>
<p>He understands more now. There are some children at his school with two mommies, but he&#8217;s the only one whose daddy turned into a girl before his very eyes. He doesn&#8217;t say that to other kids though, as they don&#8217;t believe him.</p>
<p>It is&#8230; difficult&#8230; explaining to new after-school carers and teachers just exactly what the relationship between my boy and myself is. You just have to see the funny side.</p>
<p>Women as terribly intersexed as I am are almost always unable to have children. Now I could not carry my child, and yes, my instincts feel a pang there, but he is my son, my own flesh and blood, and my heart goes out to all those women who were unable to conceive. I wasn&#8217;t either, but I cheated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d count my blessings &#8211; but I have far too many of them to count. Let&#8217;s see, a release from a hellish situation (you know  about half in that situation suicide?), able to have a child despite unbelievable odds&#8230;  Oh yes, I&#8217;ve been blessed all right. The only question I have is why me? Why not one of the many people I know who deserve it far more than I did?</p>
<p>Now after that little digression, back to the issues at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend working in a large urban hospital in a poor section of town reports on the large number of abused babies. It happens in &quot;relationships&quot; where the man is not the father of the baby. And when the baby cries [as babies tend to do] will beat the child.</description>
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		<title>By: Donna V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoe, in an earlier post I wrote: &quot; let me say I think there are certainly unmarried couples – even gay couples – with children who love their kids and strive to do their best by them. &quot; You are not unmarried, nor are you and your wife  exactly a typical gay couple.  You did not opt for a sex change operation; what happened to you was beyond your control and both you and your spouse have made the best of a situation that is unimaginably difficult.  I apologize for my earlier snarky tone and wish you and your family well.

I&#039;m with Elaine here.  I think the reason I reacted so strongly to the article posted by DarwinCatholic and to Prendergast&#039;s statement is that I am only a few years older than the woman who wrote that article. Over the years I have known many people who think like her.  I also have seen what impact the sexual revolution has had on their lives (and on my life; I am very far from being free of sin in this area).  I have also seen the impact on the lives of their children and so I bristle when people who are old enough to know better still pretend that it&#039;s all been just one big jolly romp and accuse anyone who says otherwise of prudery and intolerance. That is simply willful blindness.

My ex- brother in law left my sister, his wife of 20 years and his then-13 year old son for a 26 year old. I can&#039;t begin to tell you how many times I answered the phone at 2 a.m. to listen to her sob while that was going on.  The 26 year old got pregnant, but, contrary to the other woman&#039;s expectations, he did not marry her after he divorced my sister.  So now he&#039;s a 60 year old man with 2 year old twins who spends a lot of time in court.  My best friend&#039;s husband left her and their 2 children for someone he met online.  I could go on and on and on - and so could most of us, I suspect.

I agree that a stable relationship, even one outside of marriage, is probably better for children than  serial pologamy.  The trouble is that it is very difficult for me to think of anybody I know who has one.  A lot of my friends &quot;shacked up&quot; with guys back in their 20&#039;s and 30&#039;s - none of them are still with those men.  One issue I have with gay marriage is that none of the gay men I was friends with back in my younger years exhibited much respect for the idea of monogamy, whether they were in a relationship or not.  And these were not flaming queens, but respectable, very &quot;straight-acting&quot; men.  They did not fill me in on the specifics of their sex lives, but I learned enough to know that casual sexual encounters are considered entirely acceptable by many gay men, even those in relationships. Men with SSA who are living chastely are the outliers. (Apparently, fooling around is less acceptable among lesbians -  I can&#039;t say because I&#039;ve never known any lesbians well.) So, at a time when children are already suffering from the effects of selfish and irresponsible behavior on the part of straight people who have to scratch every itch, do we open the floodgates even  wider and pretend that marriage and adoption of children by people in a subculture already famous for promiscious sex will do no harm?

My problem with Prendergast is that a spokesman for a Catholic  organization that supposedly promotes Christian marriage ought to be, er, promoting Christian marriage, not pretending that having a wedding ring on the finger or not makes no difference as long as the relationship is &quot;stable.&quot;  Especially in the UK, where marriage rates are at an all-time low. It&#039;s like having the Surgeon General tell a group of smokers that an occasional Marlboro really won&#039;t hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoe, in an earlier post I wrote: &#8221; let me say I think there are certainly unmarried couples – even gay couples – with children who love their kids and strive to do their best by them. &#8221; You are not unmarried, nor are you and your wife  exactly a typical gay couple.  You did not opt for a sex change operation; what happened to you was beyond your control and both you and your spouse have made the best of a situation that is unimaginably difficult.  I apologize for my earlier snarky tone and wish you and your family well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Elaine here.  I think the reason I reacted so strongly to the article posted by DarwinCatholic and to Prendergast&#8217;s statement is that I am only a few years older than the woman who wrote that article. Over the years I have known many people who think like her.  I also have seen what impact the sexual revolution has had on their lives (and on my life; I am very far from being free of sin in this area).  I have also seen the impact on the lives of their children and so I bristle when people who are old enough to know better still pretend that it&#8217;s all been just one big jolly romp and accuse anyone who says otherwise of prudery and intolerance. That is simply willful blindness.</p>
<p>My ex- brother in law left my sister, his wife of 20 years and his then-13 year old son for a 26 year old. I can&#8217;t begin to tell you how many times I answered the phone at 2 a.m. to listen to her sob while that was going on.  The 26 year old got pregnant, but, contrary to the other woman&#8217;s expectations, he did not marry her after he divorced my sister.  So now he&#8217;s a 60 year old man with 2 year old twins who spends a lot of time in court.  My best friend&#8217;s husband left her and their 2 children for someone he met online.  I could go on and on and on &#8211; and so could most of us, I suspect.</p>
<p>I agree that a stable relationship, even one outside of marriage, is probably better for children than  serial pologamy.  The trouble is that it is very difficult for me to think of anybody I know who has one.  A lot of my friends &#8220;shacked up&#8221; with guys back in their 20&#8242;s and 30&#8242;s &#8211; none of them are still with those men.  One issue I have with gay marriage is that none of the gay men I was friends with back in my younger years exhibited much respect for the idea of monogamy, whether they were in a relationship or not.  And these were not flaming queens, but respectable, very &#8220;straight-acting&#8221; men.  They did not fill me in on the specifics of their sex lives, but I learned enough to know that casual sexual encounters are considered entirely acceptable by many gay men, even those in relationships. Men with SSA who are living chastely are the outliers. (Apparently, fooling around is less acceptable among lesbians &#8211;  I can&#8217;t say because I&#8217;ve never known any lesbians well.) So, at a time when children are already suffering from the effects of selfish and irresponsible behavior on the part of straight people who have to scratch every itch, do we open the floodgates even  wider and pretend that marriage and adoption of children by people in a subculture already famous for promiscious sex will do no harm?</p>
<p>My problem with Prendergast is that a spokesman for a Catholic  organization that supposedly promotes Christian marriage ought to be, er, promoting Christian marriage, not pretending that having a wedding ring on the finger or not makes no difference as long as the relationship is &#8220;stable.&#8221;  Especially in the UK, where marriage rates are at an all-time low. It&#8217;s like having the Surgeon General tell a group of smokers that an occasional Marlboro really won&#8217;t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Krewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Krewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoe, thanks for sharing your story, though it must have been difficult for you. I would like to add a few points here that I hope will be helpful to you although I am hardly an expert in sociology or canon law.

What is true as a general rule is not necessarily true in every individual case. I&#039;m sure all of us know people raised by single or divorced parents who turned out just fine and went on to have stable marriages. We also know people who were raised in intact families who turned out seriously messed up. It doesn&#039;t change the fact that IN GENERAL, it&#039;s better for children to be raised by a married mother and father.

Also, there&#039;s a big difference between a &quot;broken&quot; or &quot;exotic&quot; family situation that occurs as a result of circumstance, through no fault of the persons involved (e.g. being widowed with young children; a single aunt/uncle taking in an orphaned relative) and one that is entered into deliberately with little or no regard for the welfare of the children involved (a single mom choosing to cohabit with a guy she just met).

If I understand your situation correctly, you and your wife did not choose to enter a same-sex relationship -- it happened long after your marriage due to a medical condition that caused you to become biologically female.  As a result you now live in celibacy, but remain faithful to your original marriage vows. It&#039;s not the same as a same-sex union in which the persons involved clearly identify themselves as gay or lesbian, enter a relationship intended to be homosexual, and choose to bring children into that relationship by adoption or some form of surrogate biological parenthood.

I don&#039;t know how old your son is, or how aware he is of your condition. You can explain to him at an appropriate time, if you have not done so already, that his dad has an extremely rare medical condition which made him become female later in life. It doesn&#039;t change the fact that you and your wife entered a traditional, valid marriage. No &quot;romantic myth&quot; involved there, just two people who take their marriage vows seriously even when life dealt them a hand they probably never imagined.

Anyway, I just thought I&#039;d present a more objective point of view in hopes that it would be helpful to you. Your family will be in my prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoe, thanks for sharing your story, though it must have been difficult for you. I would like to add a few points here that I hope will be helpful to you although I am hardly an expert in sociology or canon law.</p>
<p>What is true as a general rule is not necessarily true in every individual case. I&#8217;m sure all of us know people raised by single or divorced parents who turned out just fine and went on to have stable marriages. We also know people who were raised in intact families who turned out seriously messed up. It doesn&#8217;t change the fact that IN GENERAL, it&#8217;s better for children to be raised by a married mother and father.</p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s a big difference between a &#8220;broken&#8221; or &#8220;exotic&#8221; family situation that occurs as a result of circumstance, through no fault of the persons involved (e.g. being widowed with young children; a single aunt/uncle taking in an orphaned relative) and one that is entered into deliberately with little or no regard for the welfare of the children involved (a single mom choosing to cohabit with a guy she just met).</p>
<p>If I understand your situation correctly, you and your wife did not choose to enter a same-sex relationship &#8212; it happened long after your marriage due to a medical condition that caused you to become biologically female.  As a result you now live in celibacy, but remain faithful to your original marriage vows. It&#8217;s not the same as a same-sex union in which the persons involved clearly identify themselves as gay or lesbian, enter a relationship intended to be homosexual, and choose to bring children into that relationship by adoption or some form of surrogate biological parenthood.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how old your son is, or how aware he is of your condition. You can explain to him at an appropriate time, if you have not done so already, that his dad has an extremely rare medical condition which made him become female later in life. It doesn&#8217;t change the fact that you and your wife entered a traditional, valid marriage. No &#8220;romantic myth&#8221; involved there, just two people who take their marriage vows seriously even when life dealt them a hand they probably never imagined.</p>
<p>Anyway, I just thought I&#8217;d present a more objective point of view in hopes that it would be helpful to you. Your family will be in my prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna V. &lt;blockquote&gt;Never until then did people like Zoe try to propagate the romantic myth that children will blossom just fine in any exotic configuration of adults that happens to call itself a family.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think it is time I put in a disclaimer, as honesty compels me to say that my objectivity has to be severely questionable in such matters.

I am in about as &quot;exotic&quot; a relationship as it is possible to be. One that has had canon lawyers and theologians scratching their heads and praying for guidance. The Magisterium remains silent, and I expect an answer long after I&#039;m dead, if ever.

There&#039;s a condition called &quot;Intersex&quot;, meaning born with a body neither wholly male nor wholly female. There&#039;s hundreds of different medical syndromes under this broad category - women with the 46xy chromosomes usually only found in men, men with the 46xx chromosomes usually only found in women, both men (Usually) and women (rarely) with 47xxy chromosomes, people with ambiguous bodies classifiable as neither, mosaics and chimerae with either male or female body parts - and male or female chromosomes in them - depending on which part of the body you look at, all sorts.

True fertile hermaphrodites are nearly unknown, one in several million.

More common, but still rare, are serial hermaphrodites, those born looking like one sex, but who change in a natural process to the other. Very rare in humans, though the norm in many other species.

Usually the change is from female to male, and happens during a late puberty, due to either 5ARD or 17BHDD syndrome. Very few such people marry that early. Usually. Female-to-male changes can sometimes be complete, and the men able to father children, though usually they&#039;re partial, and the men are sterile.

About 1% of such changes go the other way, and about 8 out of 10 of those happen around age 45-50.
Before the change, the women concerned are usually misdiagnosed as mildly intersexed men. It&#039;s only when they have a female puberty in their late 40&#039;s that the medics give them vast numbers of tests, and re-diagnose them as severely intersexed women. The change is never complete, and sterility results. But while they&#039;re infertile before the change, they may not be sterile. They&#039;re often married, with children, as they have the normal maternal instincts.

So... I&#039;m married. But to another woman. And we have a son. Our relationship is celebate (of course), as neither of us are lesbian.

&quot;Exotic relationship&quot; is right. But our vows were &quot;in sickness and in health&quot;, no cavils or waivers for what medical conditions counted. We love each other just as much as we always did. And we love our son, who is our whole world, and who needs two parents.

If the data had said that being raised by same-sex parents was bad for children, we would have separated and found new partners. It would certainly have been easier than lifelong celibacy, even though we love each other dearly. You do after nearly 30 years of marriage. So we did a lot of research on the subject.

I admit though that my objectivity under the circumstances must be questionable at best. My son&#039;s welfare depends on us successfully making this &quot;Romantic Myth&quot; a reality. We just don&#039;t have the  choice to do anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna V.<br />
<blockquote>Never until then did people like Zoe try to propagate the romantic myth that children will blossom just fine in any exotic configuration of adults that happens to call itself a family.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it is time I put in a disclaimer, as honesty compels me to say that my objectivity has to be severely questionable in such matters.</p>
<p>I am in about as &#8220;exotic&#8221; a relationship as it is possible to be. One that has had canon lawyers and theologians scratching their heads and praying for guidance. The Magisterium remains silent, and I expect an answer long after I&#8217;m dead, if ever.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a condition called &#8220;Intersex&#8221;, meaning born with a body neither wholly male nor wholly female. There&#8217;s hundreds of different medical syndromes under this broad category &#8211; women with the 46xy chromosomes usually only found in men, men with the 46xx chromosomes usually only found in women, both men (Usually) and women (rarely) with 47xxy chromosomes, people with ambiguous bodies classifiable as neither, mosaics and chimerae with either male or female body parts &#8211; and male or female chromosomes in them &#8211; depending on which part of the body you look at, all sorts.</p>
<p>True fertile hermaphrodites are nearly unknown, one in several million.</p>
<p>More common, but still rare, are serial hermaphrodites, those born looking like one sex, but who change in a natural process to the other. Very rare in humans, though the norm in many other species.</p>
<p>Usually the change is from female to male, and happens during a late puberty, due to either 5ARD or 17BHDD syndrome. Very few such people marry that early. Usually. Female-to-male changes can sometimes be complete, and the men able to father children, though usually they&#8217;re partial, and the men are sterile.</p>
<p>About 1% of such changes go the other way, and about 8 out of 10 of those happen around age 45-50.<br />
Before the change, the women concerned are usually misdiagnosed as mildly intersexed men. It&#8217;s only when they have a female puberty in their late 40&#8242;s that the medics give them vast numbers of tests, and re-diagnose them as severely intersexed women. The change is never complete, and sterility results. But while they&#8217;re infertile before the change, they may not be sterile. They&#8217;re often married, with children, as they have the normal maternal instincts.</p>
<p>So&#8230; I&#8217;m married. But to another woman. And we have a son. Our relationship is celebate (of course), as neither of us are lesbian.</p>
<p>&#8220;Exotic relationship&#8221; is right. But our vows were &#8220;in sickness and in health&#8221;, no cavils or waivers for what medical conditions counted. We love each other just as much as we always did. And we love our son, who is our whole world, and who needs two parents.</p>
<p>If the data had said that being raised by same-sex parents was bad for children, we would have separated and found new partners. It would certainly have been easier than lifelong celibacy, even though we love each other dearly. You do after nearly 30 years of marriage. So we did a lot of research on the subject.</p>
<p>I admit though that my objectivity under the circumstances must be questionable at best. My son&#8217;s welfare depends on us successfully making this &#8220;Romantic Myth&#8221; a reality. We just don&#8217;t have the  choice to do anything else.</p>
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