Comments on: The Petrine Ministry And Christian Ecumenism http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/09/the-petrine-ministry-and-christian-ecumenism/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:08:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Petrine Ministry and Christian Ecumenism « Eirenikon http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/09/the-petrine-ministry-and-christian-ecumenism/#comment-29337 The Petrine Ministry and Christian Ecumenism « Eirenikon Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:18:05 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=10266#comment-29337 [...] 12, 2009 by Irenaeus From the blog The American Catholic (July 9th, 2009) [...] [...] 12, 2009 by Irenaeus From the blog The American Catholic (July 9th, 2009) [...]

]]> By: Eric Brown http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/09/the-petrine-ministry-and-christian-ecumenism/#comment-29336 Eric Brown Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:20:55 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=10266#comment-29336 And most Eastern liturgies are older than the Roman rite. In fact, many of them were written by Church Fathers. And most Eastern liturgies are older than the Roman rite. In fact, many of them were written by Church Fathers.

]]> By: Eric Brown http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/09/the-petrine-ministry-and-christian-ecumenism/#comment-29335 Eric Brown Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:20:16 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=10266#comment-29335 "Is the unity of the Catholic churches so great a problem?" The Great Schism was in A.D. 1054. It is A.D. 2009 and we still aren't reunited; since that point, the way the Petrine Ministry is exercised has developed and that creates problems for Churches trying to enter into Communion with Rome. A married man can become a priest in Eastern rites, but there are places in the West, e.g. the U.S., where I think their is Latinization where they are asked to observe Western celibacy. Of this, I'm not 100% certain of whether it is obligatory or highly recommended. There are a lot of questions. When the Churches were in Full Communion, the College of Cardinals, as it is now, did not exist. What is the relationship of Cardinals to Eastern Bishops? Do they outrank Patriarchs? Do Eastern Bishops, though apart of the College, have nothing to do with the Election of the Pope? Etc Etc... It's not quite so simple. “Is the unity of the Catholic churches so great a problem?”

The Great Schism was in A.D. 1054. It is A.D. 2009 and we still aren’t reunited; since that point, the way the Petrine Ministry is exercised has developed and that creates problems for Churches trying to enter into Communion with Rome.

A married man can become a priest in Eastern rites, but there are places in the West, e.g. the U.S., where I think their is Latinization where they are asked to observe Western celibacy. Of this, I’m not 100% certain of whether it is obligatory or highly recommended.

There are a lot of questions. When the Churches were in Full Communion, the College of Cardinals, as it is now, did not exist. What is the relationship of Cardinals to Eastern Bishops? Do they outrank Patriarchs? Do Eastern Bishops, though apart of the College, have nothing to do with the Election of the Pope? Etc Etc…

It’s not quite so simple.

]]> By: Gabriel Austin http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/09/the-petrine-ministry-and-christian-ecumenism/#comment-29334 Gabriel Austin Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:58:37 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=10266#comment-29334 Is the unity of the Catholic churches so great a problem? Or is it straining at gnats to find a difficulty? A married man may become a priest in the Eastern rites. But so may a married man become a Catholic priest if he had been married and "ordained" an Anglican "priest". I do not know the rule about continence in this case. Someone may not convert from one rite to another without papal permission. There would be no reason to convert. The Sacraments are valid in all rites. Perfectly fascinating are the rites of the various Churches. Many years ago Fr. Maloof made a collection of recording of various ceremonies. The Mass in Coptic was astonishing. He maintained that it was older than the Roman rite. Is the unity of the Catholic churches so great a problem? Or is it straining at gnats to find a difficulty?

A married man may become a priest in the Eastern rites. But so may a married man become a Catholic priest if he had been married and “ordained” an Anglican “priest”. I do not know the rule about continence in this case.

Someone may not convert from one rite to another without papal permission. There would be no reason to convert. The Sacraments are valid in all rites.

Perfectly fascinating are the rites of the various Churches. Many years ago Fr. Maloof made a collection of recording of various ceremonies. The Mass in Coptic was astonishing. He maintained that it was older than the Roman rite.

]]> By: Eric Brown http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/09/the-petrine-ministry-and-christian-ecumenism/#comment-29333 Eric Brown Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:43:50 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=10266#comment-29333 Oh, of course. The Protestant church that enters into the Catholic Church would cease to be Protestant. At this time, very few Protestants are seeking to come over as a group, but particularly in terms of churches with a clergy and a sense of sacramentality, the way the Petrine ministry, which cannot be removed or undermined, is exercised is very crucial and I think that's the problem. Or, so it seems to be the thought of the Pope as well as others. Oh, of course. The Protestant church that enters into the Catholic Church would cease to be Protestant. At this time, very few Protestants are seeking to come over as a group, but particularly in terms of churches with a clergy and a sense of sacramentality, the way the Petrine ministry, which cannot be removed or undermined, is exercised is very crucial and I think that’s the problem. Or, so it seems to be the thought of the Pope as well as others.

]]> By: Donald R. McClarey http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/07/09/the-petrine-ministry-and-christian-ecumenism/#comment-29332 Donald R. McClarey Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:38:58 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=10266#comment-29332 In regard to the Eastern Churches their entering into communion with Rome was merely a reunion, a restoration of the unity that existed in the past. A Protestant Church would be a completely different matter and I can't see such a Church entering into a Union with Rome and remaining Protestant in any meaningful sense. I might add that other than a few high Church Anglicans I find it difficult to envisage any Protestant Church seeking such Union. I think that also any scheme of union that detracts in any meaningful way from the authority of the Pope is a union that is simply not worth having. In regard to the Eastern Churches the authority of the Pope was always the sin qua non that had to be acknowledged. As long as we have Peter quite a bit of diversity within the Catholic Church can be tolerated. Without Peter we would soon fall to pieces. In regard to the Eastern Churches their entering into communion with Rome was merely a reunion, a restoration of the unity that existed in the past. A Protestant Church would be a completely different matter and I can’t see such a Church entering into a Union with Rome and remaining Protestant in any meaningful sense. I might add that other than a few high Church Anglicans I find it difficult to envisage any Protestant Church seeking such Union. I think that also any scheme of union that detracts in any meaningful way from the authority of the Pope is a union that is simply not worth having. In regard to the Eastern Churches the authority of the Pope was always the sin qua non that had to be acknowledged. As long as we have Peter quite a bit of diversity within the Catholic Church can be tolerated. Without Peter we would soon fall to pieces.

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