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		<title>By: DarwinCatholic</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/04/27/colleges-for-catholics-and-catholic-colleges/#comment-11627</link>
		<dc:creator>DarwinCatholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The family is on vacation at the moment, so although I&#039;ve enjoyed following the comments I havent&#039; been able to participate as much as I might have liked.  However, one toss out thought:

I think I&#039;m probably more in favor of the &quot;going away to college&quot; experience than most posting here.  But then, I&#039;m thinking of it in the context in which I experienced it: I went through Steubenville on a pretty lean budget, paying via scholarships, work, and a bank account that my grandparents had left me for college expenses.  If I&#039;d lost my merit scholarships, I would have had to fill in with debt instead.

So while I enjoyed (and to be honest had been very restive for) the chance to get some independence, it was a pretty sober independence -- not the kind of &quot;here&#039;s some more cash from Mom and Dad, make sure you have a good time on spring break in Cancun&quot; kind of existence that some of my coworkers seem to be financing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The family is on vacation at the moment, so although I&#8217;ve enjoyed following the comments I havent&#8217; been able to participate as much as I might have liked.  However, one toss out thought:</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m probably more in favor of the &#8220;going away to college&#8221; experience than most posting here.  But then, I&#8217;m thinking of it in the context in which I experienced it: I went through Steubenville on a pretty lean budget, paying via scholarships, work, and a bank account that my grandparents had left me for college expenses.  If I&#8217;d lost my merit scholarships, I would have had to fill in with debt instead.</p>
<p>So while I enjoyed (and to be honest had been very restive for) the chance to get some independence, it was a pretty sober independence &#8212; not the kind of &#8220;here&#8217;s some more cash from Mom and Dad, make sure you have a good time on spring break in Cancun&#8221; kind of existence that some of my coworkers seem to be financing.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty Duffy</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/04/27/colleges-for-catholics-and-catholic-colleges/#comment-11626</link>
		<dc:creator>Betty Duffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband went to an Orthodox Catholic U. I went to a formerly protestant secular U. He had protective parents. I had relatively liberal ones. He&#039;s a rule breaker, I&#039;m a rule abider--but the bottom line is that we both got in trouble in college.

Is it temperament? Is it environment? Is it education? Lack of support? Or just sin? No one is impervious to sin and it can happen anywhere, especially when there is a lot of idle time.

More and more I&#039;m thinking along the lines of State school, live at home, work to pay for it. Gain responsibility while you get your education. Who&#039;s to say kids get to have this uninterrupted four years of complete self orientation? It&#039;s not preparation for real life, and maybe it sets us up for an attitude of entitlement later in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband went to an Orthodox Catholic U. I went to a formerly protestant secular U. He had protective parents. I had relatively liberal ones. He&#8217;s a rule breaker, I&#8217;m a rule abider&#8211;but the bottom line is that we both got in trouble in college.</p>
<p>Is it temperament? Is it environment? Is it education? Lack of support? Or just sin? No one is impervious to sin and it can happen anywhere, especially when there is a lot of idle time.</p>
<p>More and more I&#8217;m thinking along the lines of State school, live at home, work to pay for it. Gain responsibility while you get your education. Who&#8217;s to say kids get to have this uninterrupted four years of complete self orientation? It&#8217;s not preparation for real life, and maybe it sets us up for an attitude of entitlement later in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara C.</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/04/27/colleges-for-catholics-and-catholic-colleges/#comment-11625</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I somewhat a agree with Fulton Sheen.  I lived a fairly insular Catholic life until I went to college...in the Bible belt.  It was an amazing learning experience to have to suddenly defend my faith.

That being said, I think it really comes down to the child.  If they go into any college a strong Catholic and with a strong sense of self, it will be very hard to shake them no matter what they are exposed to.  If they are luke-warm in their faith or strongly dependent on the approval of others for their sense of self they will have more problems.

I partied some at my secular college, but at the same time I was very sure about my personal moral limits and stuck to them.  At the same time, my B.A. in religious studies gave me a better understanding of my Catholic faith than 12 years of Catholic school, and there were very few practicing much less orthodox Catholics around and the Newman Center consisted of only about 15 students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I somewhat a agree with Fulton Sheen.  I lived a fairly insular Catholic life until I went to college&#8230;in the Bible belt.  It was an amazing learning experience to have to suddenly defend my faith.</p>
<p>That being said, I think it really comes down to the child.  If they go into any college a strong Catholic and with a strong sense of self, it will be very hard to shake them no matter what they are exposed to.  If they are luke-warm in their faith or strongly dependent on the approval of others for their sense of self they will have more problems.</p>
<p>I partied some at my secular college, but at the same time I was very sure about my personal moral limits and stuck to them.  At the same time, my B.A. in religious studies gave me a better understanding of my Catholic faith than 12 years of Catholic school, and there were very few practicing much less orthodox Catholics around and the Newman Center consisted of only about 15 students.</p>
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		<title>By: Daddio</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/04/27/colleges-for-catholics-and-catholic-colleges/#comment-11624</link>
		<dc:creator>Daddio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post.  Obviously I see the positive social aspect of a protective Catholic environment.  I had not really considered the potential negatives of a &quot;too Catholic&quot; education.

I have a few years to deliberate for my kids, but today, I am leaning towards a very good high school education (likely home schooling) followed by the first two years at community college while living at home.  The last two years at a relatively close-to-home public university with a good Newman Center.  And probably working part time to assist with tuition and rent and groceries (whether that be an apartment of their own, or still at home).

Then, of course, on to seminary!  ;)

Seriously though, that &quot;full contact climate of dorm life&quot; is, in my opinion, dangerous and totally unnecessary.  The idea that kids should be sent halfway across the country to be independent doesn&#039;t jive with me.  It&#039;s fun, but it&#039;s not real life.  If college is training for adulthood, they should be studying hard, working, and learning lots of practical life skills from their parents, and receiving guidance and counsel when dating a potential spouse.  Their solid high school education combined with discussion around the dinner table and with fellow Catholic students will help them to withstand the inevitable challenges to our faith and world view.

That will allow me to help my sons make the transition into manhood, and save tens (hundreds?) of thousands of dollars in the process.  If there was a perfect Catholic university within an hour of home and it cost about the same, I&#039;d consider it.  But, in my opinion, the &quot;college experience&quot; is overrated, and a good student can learn what he needs to know anywhere, if he&#039;s been taught to do the research and think independently.  Besides, most of us need graduate degrees or professional designations to really get ahead.  At that level, the quality of the program matters a lot more.  For undergad, a BS is a BS is a BS.

By the way, I would also be fully supportive of trade school or military service after high school.  As homeschoolers often say, we&#039;re trying to get them into heaven, not Harvard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post.  Obviously I see the positive social aspect of a protective Catholic environment.  I had not really considered the potential negatives of a &#8220;too Catholic&#8221; education.</p>
<p>I have a few years to deliberate for my kids, but today, I am leaning towards a very good high school education (likely home schooling) followed by the first two years at community college while living at home.  The last two years at a relatively close-to-home public university with a good Newman Center.  And probably working part time to assist with tuition and rent and groceries (whether that be an apartment of their own, or still at home).</p>
<p>Then, of course, on to seminary!  <img src='http://the-american-catholic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously though, that &#8220;full contact climate of dorm life&#8221; is, in my opinion, dangerous and totally unnecessary.  The idea that kids should be sent halfway across the country to be independent doesn&#8217;t jive with me.  It&#8217;s fun, but it&#8217;s not real life.  If college is training for adulthood, they should be studying hard, working, and learning lots of practical life skills from their parents, and receiving guidance and counsel when dating a potential spouse.  Their solid high school education combined with discussion around the dinner table and with fellow Catholic students will help them to withstand the inevitable challenges to our faith and world view.</p>
<p>That will allow me to help my sons make the transition into manhood, and save tens (hundreds?) of thousands of dollars in the process.  If there was a perfect Catholic university within an hour of home and it cost about the same, I&#8217;d consider it.  But, in my opinion, the &#8220;college experience&#8221; is overrated, and a good student can learn what he needs to know anywhere, if he&#8217;s been taught to do the research and think independently.  Besides, most of us need graduate degrees or professional designations to really get ahead.  At that level, the quality of the program matters a lot more.  For undergad, a BS is a BS is a BS.</p>
<p>By the way, I would also be fully supportive of trade school or military service after high school.  As homeschoolers often say, we&#8217;re trying to get them into heaven, not Harvard.</p>
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		<title>By: Tito Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tito Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Big Tex and can confirm Jay&#039;s perception of Texas A&amp;M.  They are SOLID.  I have even adopted the Texas A&amp;M football team as my own (Arizona and Hawaii being the other two) to replace Notre Dame.

I have visited the campus and yes Big Tex, they still have about 100-200 attend daily Mass.  Matt McDonald is correct about the vocations, they are by far above the rest when it comes to answering God&#039;s call.

Marcel, of Aggie Catholics blog, is the director at the Newman Center and he has a full staff of 24, yes, 24 people on the payroll to work that wonderful apostolate.

I even met Bishop Aymond and he is orthodox and deeply committed to Texas A&amp;M&#039;s mission towards their thriving Catholic community.  In fact, Bishop Aymond is applying the very same template at very liberal University of Texas in Austin and is reaping excellent rewards.

As far as for me, I nearly lost my faith at the University of Arizona.  They&#039;re a mix bag.  They have an excellent social program, but as far as orthodoxy is concerned, the priests wear tie-dye shirts and they like to be called by their first name without the &#039;father&#039; in front of their name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Big Tex and can confirm Jay&#8217;s perception of Texas A&amp;M.  They are SOLID.  I have even adopted the Texas A&amp;M football team as my own (Arizona and Hawaii being the other two) to replace Notre Dame.</p>
<p>I have visited the campus and yes Big Tex, they still have about 100-200 attend daily Mass.  Matt McDonald is correct about the vocations, they are by far above the rest when it comes to answering God&#8217;s call.</p>
<p>Marcel, of Aggie Catholics blog, is the director at the Newman Center and he has a full staff of 24, yes, 24 people on the payroll to work that wonderful apostolate.</p>
<p>I even met Bishop Aymond and he is orthodox and deeply committed to Texas A&amp;M&#8217;s mission towards their thriving Catholic community.  In fact, Bishop Aymond is applying the very same template at very liberal University of Texas in Austin and is reaping excellent rewards.</p>
<p>As far as for me, I nearly lost my faith at the University of Arizona.  They&#8217;re a mix bag.  They have an excellent social program, but as far as orthodoxy is concerned, the priests wear tie-dye shirts and they like to be called by their first name without the &#8216;father&#8217; in front of their name.</p>
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		<title>By: Ana Braga-Henebry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ana Braga-Henebry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darwin, this is such and important conversation and I thank you for writing. It hits home for us as our two oldest are at Notre Dame and a third one prepares to enter senior year (read agonizing-about-colleges-year) at home. Helping them make a decision--and yet letting them make it--seems to be the thing to do. Easy to say, very difficult thing to do. It takes prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darwin, this is such and important conversation and I thank you for writing. It hits home for us as our two oldest are at Notre Dame and a third one prepares to enter senior year (read agonizing-about-colleges-year) at home. Helping them make a decision&#8211;and yet letting them make it&#8211;seems to be the thing to do. Easy to say, very difficult thing to do. It takes prayer.</p>
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