Comments on: Data Ownership http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/02/13/data-ownership/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:37:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Foxfier http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/02/13/data-ownership/#comment-11148 Foxfier Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:08:17 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=4715#comment-11148 Mr. McDonald- Claiming the citizenship of another country usually does involve abandoning US citizenship, though-- since most countries aren't as casual about the whole dual-citizenship thing, and there's some stuff about Obama having traveled on non-US passports. I think I'm dragging this off topic, though. ^.^ I can't help but look at McCain, who responded to the challenge to his citizenship pretty dang quickly, and compare it to the piss-poor response from Obama's team. Take a step back, though, and it's very good kabuki-- Obama's team gets to show how horribly prosecuted they are by those nutters and any valid objections can be shouted down. "See, we offered a certificate of birth!" "See, we offered him a position!" ignoring "But that version just says you were born to or adopted by a resident of the state!" "But you first stripped the position of power!" I have to fall back on my wish that a young Mr. Obama had gone to Hollywood instead of Chicago. -.- Mr. McDonald-
Claiming the citizenship of another country usually does involve abandoning US citizenship, though– since most countries aren’t as casual about the whole dual-citizenship thing, and there’s some stuff about Obama having traveled on non-US passports.
I think I’m dragging this off topic, though. ^.^

I can’t help but look at McCain, who responded to the challenge to his citizenship pretty dang quickly, and compare it to the piss-poor response from Obama’s team.

Take a step back, though, and it’s very good kabuki– Obama’s team gets to show how horribly prosecuted they are by those nutters and any valid objections can be shouted down.
“See, we offered a certificate of birth!” “See, we offered him a position!”
ignoring
“But that version just says you were born to or adopted by a resident of the state!” “But you first stripped the position of power!”

I have to fall back on my wish that a young Mr. Obama had gone to Hollywood instead of Chicago. -.-

]]> By: Matt McDonald http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/02/13/data-ownership/#comment-11147 Matt McDonald Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:59:06 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=4715#comment-11147 Foxfier, <i>Side note about the Obama birth thing: most of the reasonable folks I know point out that at the time, a parent had to have lived in the country for, I think, 4 years after age 18, which his mother hadn’t been alive long enough to do.</i> Yes, but the congress changed this law and made the change retroactive to cover that theoretical situation. There are only two types of citizenship one is by birth - natural born, the other is naturalized, he was by virtue of his birth a citizen, not by naturalization. <i>Also, that <b>he might get citizenship from his birth father, and may have claimed it at some point</b>, all of which would make a huge mess in the courts that still should be straightened out.</i> Not at all, even if he did have dual citizenship it is not a abandonment of his US citizenship. <i>Myself, I want to know what embarrassing thing is on the certificate– only reason I can think not to offer a basic, certified original copy.</i> I agree. Foxfier,

Side note about the Obama birth thing: most of the reasonable folks I know point out that at the time, a parent had to have lived in the country for, I think, 4 years after age 18, which his mother hadn’t been alive long enough to do.

Yes, but the congress changed this law and made the change retroactive to cover that theoretical situation. There are only two types of citizenship one is by birth – natural born, the other is naturalized, he was by virtue of his birth a citizen, not by naturalization.

Also, that he might get citizenship from his birth father, and may have claimed it at some point, all of which would make a huge mess in the courts that still should be straightened out.

Not at all, even if he did have dual citizenship it is not a abandonment of his US citizenship.

Myself, I want to know what embarrassing thing is on the certificate– only reason I can think not to offer a basic, certified original copy.

I agree.

]]> By: Foxfier http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/02/13/data-ownership/#comment-11146 Foxfier Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:13:30 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=4715#comment-11146 Mr. Zummo- I think I'd be able to spoof the icons, actually.... My guess is that our host checked the IP address. ^.^ Side note about the Obama birth thing: most of the reasonable folks I know point out that at the time, a parent had to have lived in the country for, I think, 4 years after age 18, which his mother hadn't been alive long enough to do. Also, that he might get citizenship from his birth father, and may have claimed it at some point, all of which would make a huge mess in the courts that still should be straightened out. Myself, I want to know what embarrassing thing is on the certificate-- only reason I can think not to offer a basic, certified original copy. Mr. Zummo-
I think I’d be able to spoof the icons, actually…. My guess is that our host checked the IP address. ^.^

Side note about the Obama birth thing: most of the reasonable folks I know point out that at the time, a parent had to have lived in the country for, I think, 4 years after age 18, which his mother hadn’t been alive long enough to do. Also, that he might get citizenship from his birth father, and may have claimed it at some point, all of which would make a huge mess in the courts that still should be straightened out.

Myself, I want to know what embarrassing thing is on the certificate– only reason I can think not to offer a basic, certified original copy.

]]> By: paul zummo http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/02/13/data-ownership/#comment-11145 paul zummo Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:48:33 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=4715#comment-11145 You would think the troll would notice that there's a unique identifying avatar next to each person's name. But, then again, assuming intelligence amongst trolls is folly. You would think the troll would notice that there’s a unique identifying avatar next to each person’s name. But, then again, assuming intelligence amongst trolls is folly.

]]> By: Donald R. McClarey http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/02/13/data-ownership/#comment-11144 Donald R. McClarey Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:01:23 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=4715#comment-11144 Obama-Can, using foolish "false flag" tactics is hardly the way to engender support for Obama. Obama-Can, using foolish “false flag” tactics is hardly the way to engender support for Obama.

]]> By: Matt McDonald http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/02/13/data-ownership/#comment-11143 Matt McDonald Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:57:20 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=4715#comment-11143 <i>[Ed.- I just caught this. Obama-Can is spoofing Matt McDonald, I changed the name from Matt McDonald to Obama-Can. If this happens a third time Obama-Can will be put on moderation and possibly banned]</i> An Obama supporter behaving so badly? Hard to believe... maybe they can get him confirmed for a cabinet level position... [Ed.- I just caught this. Obama-Can is spoofing Matt McDonald, I changed the name from Matt McDonald to Obama-Can. If this happens a third time Obama-Can will be put on moderation and possibly banned]

An Obama supporter behaving so badly? Hard to believe… maybe they can get him confirmed for a cabinet level position…

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