Comments on: Sex, the Fall, and the Resurrection http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/10/sex-the-fall-and-the-resurrection/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:10:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: From Around the Web: Worth a Look « Vox Nova http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/10/sex-the-fall-and-the-resurrection/#comment-79314 From Around the Web: Worth a Look « Vox Nova Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:53:59 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2835#comment-79314 [...] Around the Web: Worth a Look Ryan Hawkins pitting the body against the soul. A Canadian theology professor considers Quebec and Catholicism. Some answers to supporters of [...] [...] Around the Web: Worth a Look Ryan Hawkins pitting the body against the soul. A Canadian theology professor considers Quebec and Catholicism. Some answers to supporters of [...]

]]> By: I’ll Take Her on a Test Drive « The American Catholic: Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/10/sex-the-fall-and-the-resurrection/#comment-79313 I’ll Take Her on a Test Drive « The American Catholic: Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:51:12 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2835#comment-79313 [...] soul and soul against body that sexual immorality naturally entails. I discussed general sexuality here and masturbation here. Now we turn our attention to fornication, especially premarital [...] [...] soul and soul against body that sexual immorality naturally entails. I discussed general sexuality here and masturbation here. Now we turn our attention to fornication, especially premarital [...]

]]> By: Karl http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/10/sex-the-fall-and-the-resurrection/#comment-79312 Karl Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:56:29 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2835#comment-79312 Mr. Harkins, I will continue to pray for the Church and those clerics and the vast majority of laypeople who really do support adultery and whose support encourages unending abuses by the clergy including the bishops and the Popes. These clerics are hard-hearted men unwilling to listen to those of us who have seen their corruption first hand. The Pope knows well of the corruption and encourages it through his failure to address these issues with those of us who raise them and his unwillingness to provide a simple recourse against corruption. His failure to help us root out those who have done us wrong means he has joined in their wrongs and he should resign the papacy, forthwith. He coddles priests who openly encourage adultery and all types of crimes against innocent spouses. He knows his fellow bishops are corrupted and care little about truth and the damage their practice does. They did not fail me or our marriage. They deliberately chose to do all they could to destroy it and they still do. The evil is incredible in the Catholic clergy. To me failure means there was a desire to to good. I am certain, otherwise, about the efforts of the Catholic Church in these regards. Mr. Harkins,

I will continue to pray for the Church and those clerics and the vast majority of laypeople who really do support adultery and whose support encourages unending abuses by the clergy including the bishops and the Popes.

These clerics are hard-hearted men unwilling to listen to those of us who have seen their corruption first hand. The Pope knows well of the corruption and encourages it through his failure to address these issues with those of us who raise them and his unwillingness to provide a simple recourse against corruption. His failure to help us root out those who have done us wrong means he has joined in their wrongs and he should resign the papacy, forthwith. He coddles priests who openly encourage adultery and all types of crimes against innocent spouses. He knows his fellow bishops are corrupted and care little about truth and the damage their practice does.

They did not fail me or our marriage. They deliberately chose to do all they could to destroy it and they still do. The evil is incredible in the Catholic clergy. To me failure means there was a desire to to good. I am certain, otherwise, about the efforts of the Catholic Church in these regards.

]]> By: Donald R. McClarey http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/10/sex-the-fall-and-the-resurrection/#comment-79311 Donald R. McClarey Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:27:58 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2835#comment-79311 "but WILL NOT ACT to work towards healing a valid marriage" Karl the Catholic Church was not responsible for the fact that you and your wife had a marriage that fell apart. The idea that but for the Catholic Church you would have gotten your wife back is unlikely in the extreme based upon the facts that you have disclosed in the past in numerous postings on other Catholic websites. Your wife ran off with someone else and got pregnant by him. The idea that anything done by the Church would have gotten her to return to you may give you comfort, but simply does not comport with reality. When someone is willing to commit adultery the idea that not granting them an anullment will cause them to return to their spouse is risible. I think you probably know this deep down but for some reason you have decided to make the Church the target of your bitterness and grief over the fact that your wife did not want to continue to live with you. “but WILL NOT ACT to work towards healing a valid marriage”

Karl the Catholic Church was not responsible for the fact that you and your wife had a marriage that fell apart. The idea that but for the Catholic Church you would have gotten your wife back is unlikely in the extreme based upon the facts that you have disclosed in the past in numerous postings on other Catholic websites. Your wife ran off with someone else and got pregnant by him. The idea that anything done by the Church would have gotten her to return to you may give you comfort, but simply does not comport with reality. When someone is willing to commit adultery the idea that not granting them an anullment will cause them to return to their spouse is risible. I think you probably know this deep down but for some reason you have decided to make the Church the target of your bitterness and grief over the fact that your wife did not want to continue to live with you.

]]> By: Ryan Harkins http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/10/sex-the-fall-and-the-resurrection/#comment-79310 Ryan Harkins Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:22:59 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2835#comment-79310 Karl, I will pray for your healing. As regards the terrible experience you have met with the clergy, I can only offer sympathies. They are as human as the rest of us, but they have a greater duty to uphold the dignity of their office. That they failed for you is a grave tragedy. Please, if you will, pray for these men who you believe have betrayed your trust, that they might see the error in their ways. Karl, I will pray for your healing. As regards the terrible experience you have met with the clergy, I can only offer sympathies. They are as human as the rest of us, but they have a greater duty to uphold the dignity of their office. That they failed for you is a grave tragedy. Please, if you will, pray for these men who you believe have betrayed your trust, that they might see the error in their ways.

]]> By: Karl http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/10/sex-the-fall-and-the-resurrection/#comment-79309 Karl Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:59:40 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2835#comment-79309 As a former Catholic who formally defected from the Catholic Church over fake annulments, this quote, I assert with experience, is false and dangerous: "Second, annulments are not simply trying to find technicalities. They really aren’t the Catholic answer to divorce. There’s a fair amount of theology behind it, especially in how the married couple image the Trinity, but the quick and dirty is this." Our marriage was intentionally undermined by catholic priests and the annulment process and it remain under attack, with the full knowledge of the local ordinaries and the Pope as well as the new head of the Papal Signatura, Raymond Burke. The Catholic Church has sold its soul to the Devil regarding marriages. I do not care what statistics you cite or the canonists or priests you have who can defend your position. I know what I continue to experience and the Catholic Church can act but WILL NOT ACT to work towards healing a valid marriage that its own Roman Courts found valid after the corrupt American Tribunals and many priests and laity have aided and abetted open and permanent adultery! If the Pope gave a darn he would send me a ticket with an open eneded audience to inform him of what I have seen in person. HE DOES NOT CARE! He listens to his bishops and priests who are corrupted thoroughly. He fiddles while Rome burns. As a former Catholic who formally defected from the Catholic Church over
fake annulments, this quote, I assert with experience, is false and dangerous:

“Second, annulments are not simply trying to find technicalities. They really aren’t the Catholic answer to divorce. There’s a fair amount of theology behind it, especially in how the married couple image the Trinity, but the quick and dirty is this.”

Our marriage was intentionally undermined by catholic priests and the annulment process and it remain under attack, with the full knowledge of the local ordinaries and the Pope as well as the new head of the Papal Signatura, Raymond Burke.

The Catholic Church has sold its soul to the Devil regarding marriages. I do not care what statistics you cite or the canonists or priests you have who can defend your position. I know what I continue to experience and the Catholic Church can act but WILL NOT ACT to work towards healing a valid marriage that its own Roman Courts found valid after the corrupt American Tribunals and many priests and laity have aided and abetted open and permanent adultery!

If the Pope gave a darn he would send me a ticket with an open eneded audience to inform him of what I have seen in person. HE DOES NOT CARE! He listens to his bishops and priests who are corrupted thoroughly.

He fiddles while Rome burns.

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