Comments on: Sixty-Seven Years Ago http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/07/sixty-seven-years-ago/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Tue, 22 May 2012 12:24:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Dick Smith http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/07/sixty-seven-years-ago/#comment-648 Dick Smith Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:22:32 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2724#comment-648 Froom now on this man is my new hero. I can just say that I agreee 100% Froom now on this man is my new hero. I can just say that I agreee 100%

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]]> By: Donald R. McClarey http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/07/sixty-seven-years-ago/#comment-645 Donald R. McClarey Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:03:37 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2724#comment-645 Eric, as to Christians and military service, I believe this letter of Saint Augustine to Count Boniface is instructive. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1102189.htm The pertinent portion: " Do not think that it is impossible for any one to please God while engaged in active military service. Among such persons was the holy David, to whom God gave so great a testimony; among them also were many righteous men of that time; among them was also that centurion who said to the Lord: I am not worthy that You should come under my roof, but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed: for I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goes; and to another, Come, and he comes; and to my servant, Do this, and he does it; and concerning whom the Lord said: Verily, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. Matthew 8:8-10 Among them was that Cornelius to whom an angel said: Cornelius, your alms are accepted, and your prayers are heard, Acts 10:4 when he directed him to send to the blessed Apostle Peter, and to hear from him what he ought to do, to which apostle he sent a devout soldier, requesting him to come to him. Among them were also the soldiers who, when they had come to be baptized by John,— the sacred forerunner of the Lord, and the friend of the Bridegroom, of whom the Lord says: Among them that are born of women there has not arisen a greater than John the Baptist, Matthew 11:11 — and had inquired of him what they should do, received the answer, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. Luke 3:14 Certainly he did not prohibit them to serve as soldiers when he commanded them to be content with their pay for the service." Eric, as to Christians and military service, I believe this letter of Saint Augustine to Count Boniface is instructive.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1102189.htm

The pertinent portion:

” Do not think that it is impossible for any one to please God while engaged in active military service. Among such persons was the holy David, to whom God gave so great a testimony; among them also were many righteous men of that time; among them was also that centurion who said to the Lord: I am not worthy that You should come under my roof, but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed: for I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goes; and to another, Come, and he comes; and to my servant, Do this, and he does it; and concerning whom the Lord said: Verily, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. Matthew 8:8-10 Among them was that Cornelius to whom an angel said: Cornelius, your alms are accepted, and your prayers are heard, Acts 10:4 when he directed him to send to the blessed Apostle Peter, and to hear from him what he ought to do, to which apostle he sent a devout soldier, requesting him to come to him. Among them were also the soldiers who, when they had come to be baptized by John,— the sacred forerunner of the Lord, and the friend of the Bridegroom, of whom the Lord says: Among them that are born of women there has not arisen a greater than John the Baptist, Matthew 11:11 — and had inquired of him what they should do, received the answer, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. Luke 3:14 Certainly he did not prohibit them to serve as soldiers when he commanded them to be content with their pay for the service.”

]]> By: Donald R. McClarey http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/07/sixty-seven-years-ago/#comment-644 Donald R. McClarey Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:44:28 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2724#comment-644 No Eric, the Catholic Anarchist views all wars as evil and believes that the Church has been in error in adopting the just war doctrine. God was quite explicit throughout the Old Testament in deeming certain wars to be just. If the argument is made that Christ commands that His followers never participate in war then the burden of proof is on those make the argument. Catholics are not Quakers and absolute pacifism has never been a majority position in the Catholic faith at least since the time of Constantine. Our data for the first three centuries is so incomplete, and the Roman legions were so encrusted with pagan rituals, that I hesitate to draw conclusions from that time period as to the position of the Church as a whole as to military service. Certainly the Fathers of the Church found no moral difficulty with Christians serving in wars once the Emperor was Christian. In any event I do not think the Catholic Anarchist is making a theological point but rather giving vent to the deep hatred he has for the United States, as demonstrated by such juvenile tactics on his part as not capitalizing America or the United States. No Eric, the Catholic Anarchist views all wars as evil and believes that the Church has been in error in adopting the just war doctrine. God was quite explicit throughout the Old Testament in deeming certain wars to be just. If the argument is made that Christ commands that His followers never participate in war then the burden of proof is on those make the argument. Catholics are not Quakers and absolute pacifism has never been a majority position in the Catholic faith at least since the time of Constantine. Our data for the first three centuries is so incomplete, and the Roman legions were so encrusted with pagan rituals, that I hesitate to draw conclusions from that time period as to the position of the Church as a whole as to military service. Certainly the Fathers of the Church found no moral difficulty with Christians serving in wars once the Emperor was Christian.

In any event I do not think the Catholic Anarchist is making a theological point but rather giving vent to the deep hatred he has for the United States, as demonstrated by such juvenile tactics on his part as not capitalizing America or the United States.

]]> By: Eric Brown http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/07/sixty-seven-years-ago/#comment-643 Eric Brown Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:35:13 +0000 http://the-american-catholic.com/?p=2724#comment-643 The fact that Christ didn't address the matter explicitly does not mean that he condoned it. War by its very nature destroys what it tends to protect. The family is the building block of societies and war is a direct attack at that foundation. Men, women, and children die; it is no small matter and I think the "Catholic Anarchist" did not ask for anything contrary to basic Christian teaching on war. If man tried to engage with one another peacefully as quickly as man goes to war, the world would be more in accord with the Gospel. War is never a moral good; at best, it can be a justified morally neutral act to protect the common good from quickly spreading grave evil or in defense when all other measures have been exhausted. However to use the fact that the Lord didn't address this in an opportune moment is a flawed argument in my view. There are a host of things Jesus didn't specifically address, e.g. slavery -- doesn't mean that the Lord condones that either. Paul didn't argue against slavery when talking to slave owners, does that mean the Catholic Church should reconsider its thinking on slavery? The fact that Christ didn’t address the matter explicitly does not mean that he condoned it. War by its very nature destroys what it tends to protect. The family is the building block of societies and war is a direct attack at that foundation. Men, women, and children die; it is no small matter and I think the “Catholic Anarchist” did not ask for anything contrary to basic Christian teaching on war. If man tried to engage with one another peacefully as quickly as man goes to war, the world would be more in accord with the Gospel.

War is never a moral good; at best, it can be a justified morally neutral act to protect the common good from quickly spreading grave evil or in defense when all other measures have been exhausted.

However to use the fact that the Lord didn’t address this in an opportune moment is a flawed argument in my view. There are a host of things Jesus didn’t specifically address, e.g. slavery — doesn’t mean that the Lord condones that either. Paul didn’t argue against slavery when talking to slave owners, does that mean the Catholic Church should reconsider its thinking on slavery?

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