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		<title>By: OhioStater</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/11/19/sexual-selection-and-modern-dating/#comment-10656</link>
		<dc:creator>OhioStater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read a lot of articles and blog posts and it seems the issue is an imbalance between the number of eligible men and eligible women.

Note: the following is mainly applicable if there is an absence of traditional norms.

Between high school and the 30s, there are more eligible women than men, with 80% of women in the market and 20% of men in the market. This 20% of men are known as the &quot;alpha males&quot; and women direct all of their attention to attracting these men. The other 80% of guys can play video games since they don&#039;t have any value in the dating market and would lose even if they tried.

The general tendency is a polygamy if these alpha men play the field and monogamy if these alpha men settle down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read a lot of articles and blog posts and it seems the issue is an imbalance between the number of eligible men and eligible women.</p>
<p>Note: the following is mainly applicable if there is an absence of traditional norms.</p>
<p>Between high school and the 30s, there are more eligible women than men, with 80% of women in the market and 20% of men in the market. This 20% of men are known as the &#8220;alpha males&#8221; and women direct all of their attention to attracting these men. The other 80% of guys can play video games since they don&#8217;t have any value in the dating market and would lose even if they tried.</p>
<p>The general tendency is a polygamy if these alpha men play the field and monogamy if these alpha men settle down.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my co-workers is a 27 year old evangelical Christian.  She went to college on both an athletic and an academic scholarship.  She also happens to be extremely pretty.  And yet, she sits at home most Saturday nights.

She told me quite a while ago that she wants to be a virgin when she marries.  That accounts for the solo Saturday nights.  She has many first dates (some with men who claim to be Christians), but somehow they never call again.  Of course, not all first dates work out. (Actually, I could write the book about horrible first dates). I doubt her moral values (which would have been expected 50 years ago) are helping her popularity in the dating scene circa 2009.

I admire her steadfastness.  I hope she soon meets a young man who admires and values her beliefs instead of thinking &quot;Why should I waste money on a chick who won&#039;t put out?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my co-workers is a 27 year old evangelical Christian.  She went to college on both an athletic and an academic scholarship.  She also happens to be extremely pretty.  And yet, she sits at home most Saturday nights.</p>
<p>She told me quite a while ago that she wants to be a virgin when she marries.  That accounts for the solo Saturday nights.  She has many first dates (some with men who claim to be Christians), but somehow they never call again.  Of course, not all first dates work out. (Actually, I could write the book about horrible first dates). I doubt her moral values (which would have been expected 50 years ago) are helping her popularity in the dating scene circa 2009.</p>
<p>I admire her steadfastness.  I hope she soon meets a young man who admires and values her beliefs instead of thinking &#8220;Why should I waste money on a chick who won&#8217;t put out?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, let me point something out to those of you that haven&#039;t already heard about it in the news.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-06-02-japan-women-usat_x.htm

http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/07/herbivore-men-in-japan.html

Japanese bithrates and plunging and relations between young men and young women are disintegrating.  What&#039;s happening there is a more extreme version of what&#039;s happening here.

I think that a lot of what&#039;s happening is due several factors:
Less social pressure to get marry.
It&#039;s easier to financially survive on your own with the rising GDP/capita of the modern world.
Men are less attractive to women.

The last one is interesting and exemplified in Japan.  I would say that there are very few men that the average japanese women finds attractive and the reason has nothing to do with looks.  Japanese men are too nice and unagressive for even the polite and unagressive japanese girls.

The truth is, women do not like equality when it comes their mate choices.  They want men who have higher social positions and are more personally socially powerful than themselves.  I believe that the liberation of women was a good thing for moral reasons but women have failed to pay their due and adjust their preferences in men now that they are much more the equal of men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, let me point something out to those of you that haven&#8217;t already heard about it in the news.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-06-02-japan-women-usat_x.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-06-02-japan-women-usat_x.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/07/herbivore-men-in-japan.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/07/herbivore-men-in-japan.html</a></p>
<p>Japanese bithrates and plunging and relations between young men and young women are disintegrating.  What&#8217;s happening there is a more extreme version of what&#8217;s happening here.</p>
<p>I think that a lot of what&#8217;s happening is due several factors:<br />
Less social pressure to get marry.<br />
It&#8217;s easier to financially survive on your own with the rising GDP/capita of the modern world.<br />
Men are less attractive to women.</p>
<p>The last one is interesting and exemplified in Japan.  I would say that there are very few men that the average japanese women finds attractive and the reason has nothing to do with looks.  Japanese men are too nice and unagressive for even the polite and unagressive japanese girls.</p>
<p>The truth is, women do not like equality when it comes their mate choices.  They want men who have higher social positions and are more personally socially powerful than themselves.  I believe that the liberation of women was a good thing for moral reasons but women have failed to pay their due and adjust their preferences in men now that they are much more the equal of men.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald R. McClarey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald R. McClarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The culture of “Children” is also not capable of creating new members but the population of children has not declined now has it?&quot;

Actually it has as many industrialized nations are now below replacement rates in the number of births.

 http://www.newsweek.com/id/150160</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The culture of “Children” is also not capable of creating new members but the population of children has not declined now has it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually it has as many industrialized nations are now below replacement rates in the number of births.</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/150160" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/id/150160</a></p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you from first hand experience that the culture is definitely real and exists for pretty much all singles in their twenties that have not already entered into a long term relationship.  You say that the culture is unsustainable because it&#039;s a culture which one can only bring new people into the world by leaving.  First of all, it is not a true anthropological &quot;culture&quot; of persons so your existential math is not applicable to it.  The culture of &quot;Children&quot; is also not capable of creating new members but the population of children has not declined now has it?  The culture is really more a sub-culture.  I believe your real question is whether or not this is a lasting sub-culture for it&#039;s individual members and whether or not this sub-culture will go extinct due to darwinian forces because so many of it&#039;s members have a low reproductive rate.  Answer #1: no.  Members of this subculture will leave it eventually because they lack sexual currency.  Answer #2: maybe.  Some parts of this subculture will very slowly go extinct because of it&#039;s low reproductive rate but other parts of it have a higher than replacement rate reproductive rate due to the prevalence of single mothers.

Also, let me say that I disagree with the author in his contention that men are becoming a sort of overgrown adolescent as a form of protest to the wrongs committed to them by women.  I do not find that this is the case.  I come from a conservative background and had many 1950&#039;s style ideas about dating in my head when I was younger.  I have found that being a more responsible, mature, and committal man to women makes oneself extremely unattractive to them.  The reason men have become grown adolescents is because that is what women have come to expect and desire.  More mature men are considered boring and &quot;lame&quot; by the modern single girl/woman.  A man that follows old school dating protocol seems like a prehistoric relic and a completely socially inept person to the modern woman.  Also, the women themselves do NOT want to commit until they are damn well ready.  And when such a time comes, she will try to turn one of her immature male peers into a more steadfast person.  If she succeeds, she will be glad but also secretly disappointed that she was able to cow her man.  The adaptation of men to this modern reality is darwinian in the sense that it is something that has evolved randomly in order to gain more success.  And also, there&#039;s actually less sex going on than you would think.  Hookups happen but since neither party is committed, there are long time spans between hookups.  Serial monogamers probably have more sex but fewer partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you from first hand experience that the culture is definitely real and exists for pretty much all singles in their twenties that have not already entered into a long term relationship.  You say that the culture is unsustainable because it&#8217;s a culture which one can only bring new people into the world by leaving.  First of all, it is not a true anthropological &#8220;culture&#8221; of persons so your existential math is not applicable to it.  The culture of &#8220;Children&#8221; is also not capable of creating new members but the population of children has not declined now has it?  The culture is really more a sub-culture.  I believe your real question is whether or not this is a lasting sub-culture for it&#8217;s individual members and whether or not this sub-culture will go extinct due to darwinian forces because so many of it&#8217;s members have a low reproductive rate.  Answer #1: no.  Members of this subculture will leave it eventually because they lack sexual currency.  Answer #2: maybe.  Some parts of this subculture will very slowly go extinct because of it&#8217;s low reproductive rate but other parts of it have a higher than replacement rate reproductive rate due to the prevalence of single mothers.</p>
<p>Also, let me say that I disagree with the author in his contention that men are becoming a sort of overgrown adolescent as a form of protest to the wrongs committed to them by women.  I do not find that this is the case.  I come from a conservative background and had many 1950&#8242;s style ideas about dating in my head when I was younger.  I have found that being a more responsible, mature, and committal man to women makes oneself extremely unattractive to them.  The reason men have become grown adolescents is because that is what women have come to expect and desire.  More mature men are considered boring and &#8220;lame&#8221; by the modern single girl/woman.  A man that follows old school dating protocol seems like a prehistoric relic and a completely socially inept person to the modern woman.  Also, the women themselves do NOT want to commit until they are damn well ready.  And when such a time comes, she will try to turn one of her immature male peers into a more steadfast person.  If she succeeds, she will be glad but also secretly disappointed that she was able to cow her man.  The adaptation of men to this modern reality is darwinian in the sense that it is something that has evolved randomly in order to gain more success.  And also, there&#8217;s actually less sex going on than you would think.  Hookups happen but since neither party is committed, there are long time spans between hookups.  Serial monogamers probably have more sex but fewer partners.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;will ultimately undo any good that feminism has ever done.&lt;/i&gt;

that horse left the barn long ago with abortion and free love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>will ultimately undo any good that feminism has ever done.</i></p>
<p>that horse left the barn long ago with abortion and free love.</p>
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