Comments on: Archbishop Chaput Weighs In Again http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/17/archbishop-chaput-weighs-in-again/ Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective. Mon, 21 May 2012 11:57:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: To The “Traitor,” Go The Spoils? Kmiec & The Ambassadorship « The American Catholic: Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/17/archbishop-chaput-weighs-in-again/#comment-25857 To The “Traitor,” Go The Spoils? Kmiec & The Ambassadorship « The American Catholic: Politics and Culture from a Catholic perspective Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:06:06 +0000 http://amcatholic.wordpress.com/?p=755#comment-25857 [...] Kmiec being appointed U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican. Many American Catholic contributors have expressed their opinions of Mr. Kmiec during the recent election. To be clear, the problem with Kmiec was not [...] [...] Kmiec being appointed U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican. Many American Catholic contributors have expressed their opinions of Mr. Kmiec during the recent election. To be clear, the problem with Kmiec was not [...]

]]> By: Donald R. McClarey http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/17/archbishop-chaput-weighs-in-again/#comment-25856 Donald R. McClarey Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:24:15 +0000 http://amcatholic.wordpress.com/?p=755#comment-25856 I don’t mind “gotcha” resonses Chris, after all I am an attorney! “Gotcha” questions and “gotcha” responses are the common coin of my profession. I do not view yours as a “gotcha” response. We simply disagree. I vote for McCain not because he is perfect on pro-life issues. I too deplore his stance on ESR, for instance. I vote for him because he is infinitely better than Obama on abortion and euthanasia. I am a pro-lifer as you are. For pro-lifers abortion should be a make or break issue when it comes to voting. “Pro-lifers” of the Kmiec stamp, in spite of all their talk about the evil of abortion, cast their votes for a man who will do his best to ensure that the abortion on demand regime of Roe is strengthened and made permanent. That is why I view the protestations of such people that they remain pro-life with complete disbelief. I don’t mind “gotcha” resonses Chris, after all I am an attorney! “Gotcha” questions and “gotcha” responses are the common coin of my profession. I do not view yours as a “gotcha” response. We simply disagree.

I vote for McCain not because he is perfect on pro-life issues. I too deplore his stance on ESR, for instance. I vote for him because he is infinitely better than Obama on abortion and euthanasia. I am a pro-lifer as you are. For pro-lifers abortion should be a make or break issue when it comes to voting. “Pro-lifers” of the Kmiec stamp, in spite of all their talk about the evil of abortion, cast their votes for a man who will do his best to ensure that the abortion on demand regime of Roe is strengthened and made permanent. That is why I view the protestations of such people that they remain pro-life with complete disbelief.

]]> By: Chris Burgwald http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/17/archbishop-chaput-weighs-in-again/#comment-25855 Chris Burgwald Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:20:18 +0000 http://amcatholic.wordpress.com/?p=755#comment-25855 Donald, to be clear, my previous comment wasn't meant as a "gotcha"... as is obvious, I don't buy the logic which would lead a pro-lifer to vote for Obama, but -- as my comment indicates, and as catholicdemocrat notes -- I think it's an error to conclude that someone who votes for Obama is therefore actually in support of abortion rights. Archbishop Chaput notes that it is technically possible to vote for a pro-abortion rights candidate as a pro-lifer in good conscience, although perhaps with erroneous reasoning. Donald, to be clear, my previous comment wasn’t meant as a “gotcha”… as is obvious, I don’t buy the logic which would lead a pro-lifer to vote for Obama, but — as my comment indicates, and as catholicdemocrat notes — I think it’s an error to conclude that someone who votes for Obama is therefore actually in support of abortion rights. Archbishop Chaput notes that it is technically possible to vote for a pro-abortion rights candidate as a pro-lifer in good conscience, although perhaps with erroneous reasoning.

]]> By: catholicdemocrat http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/17/archbishop-chaput-weighs-in-again/#comment-25854 catholicdemocrat Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:02:16 +0000 http://amcatholic.wordpress.com/?p=755#comment-25854 I agree with Chris. Neither political party truly encompasses all the "right" positions. Now someone may be sincerely pro-life and decide to vote for a pro-choice candidate for what they believe to be "proportionate reasons." We certaily (and I think we all do) believe they're profoundly mistaken, but we cannot objectively judge the convictions in their heart solely based on their actions. Though we can say that their attempts to paint Obama as a more pro-life candidate that Catholics ought to be supporting is intellectual suicide. I agree with Chris.

Neither political party truly encompasses all the “right” positions. Now someone may be sincerely pro-life and decide to vote for a pro-choice candidate for what they believe to be “proportionate reasons.” We certaily (and I think we all do) believe they’re profoundly mistaken, but we cannot objectively judge the convictions in their heart solely based on their actions. Though we can say that their attempts to paint Obama as a more pro-life candidate that Catholics ought to be supporting is intellectual suicide.

]]> By: Chris Burgwald http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/17/archbishop-chaput-weighs-in-again/#comment-25853 Chris Burgwald Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:45:11 +0000 http://amcatholic.wordpress.com/?p=755#comment-25853 Donald, I plan to vote for McCain. Will I thereby lose the right to be considered a foe of ESCR? Donald, I plan to vote for McCain. Will I thereby lose the right to be considered a foe of ESCR?

]]> By: Donald R. McClarey http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/17/archbishop-chaput-weighs-in-again/#comment-25852 Donald R. McClarey Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:48:30 +0000 http://amcatholic.wordpress.com/?p=755#comment-25852 I respectfully disagree with both you and Chris, Kyle. It is a trite saying, "Actions speak louder than words.", but also a true one. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Someone who voted for a pro-slavery candidate in the 1850s forfeited the right to be called an opponent of slavery. Someone who voted for Hitler in the 1920s in Weimar Germany forfeited the right to be considered to be a foe of anti-semitism. Someone who voted for McGovern in 72 could not be considered to be a hawk on Vietnam. To talk in one manner and then to act in another tells us that the talk is only talk. I respectfully disagree with both you and Chris, Kyle. It is a trite saying, “Actions speak louder than words.”, but also a true one. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” Someone who voted for a pro-slavery candidate in the 1850s forfeited the right to be called an opponent of slavery. Someone who voted for Hitler in the 1920s in Weimar Germany forfeited the right to be considered to be a foe of anti-semitism. Someone who voted for McGovern in 72 could not be considered to be a hawk on Vietnam. To talk in one manner and then to act in another tells us that the talk is only talk.

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