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		<title>By: A Huge Switch Among Catholics Towards McCain &#171; American Catholic</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/16/joe-the-plumber/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>A Huge Switch Among Catholics Towards McCain &#171; American Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may be that the economic crisis has dissipated from the front pages as well as the Joe the Plumber dramathat unveiled the redistributive policy of Senator Obama to America.  But what I believe is the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Donald R. McClarey</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/16/joe-the-plumber/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald R. McClarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gross I don&#039;t recall.  I remember his net only because of a legal matter where that fact was rather important.  I also don&#039;t recall Joe the Plumber indicating to Senator Obama how many plumbers he ultimately hoped to have working for him.  As for the 250,000 threshhold, I suspect that would vanish as quickly as did the middle class tax cut in the Clinton administration in 1993.  Some members of Congress are now calling for a second New Deal, and even confiscatory tax rates on earners making over a quarter of a million dollars a year wouldn&#039;t raise enough revenue for spending of that magnitude, assuming that a President Obama would agree with such an agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gross I don&#8217;t recall.  I remember his net only because of a legal matter where that fact was rather important.  I also don&#8217;t recall Joe the Plumber indicating to Senator Obama how many plumbers he ultimately hoped to have working for him.  As for the 250,000 threshhold, I suspect that would vanish as quickly as did the middle class tax cut in the Clinton administration in 1993.  Some members of Congress are now calling for a second New Deal, and even confiscatory tax rates on earners making over a quarter of a million dollars a year wouldn&#8217;t raise enough revenue for spending of that magnitude, assuming that a President Obama would agree with such an agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald, I think that is great.  And, if he (or she) is truly clearing over a half a million a year, I don&#039;t have a problem with that.  I also think that the marginal increase on the second quarter million of their net is not going to cause them to lay off one of their employees.  (But if they do, I guess that is on them.)  If, the seven other plumbers all have taxable income over $250,000, then I also don&#039;t have a problem with each of them paying an increased rate on the amount of taxable income above that quarter million.  Let&#039;s not conflate small business revenues with profits or with taxable income.

I was writing about Joe the Plumber and the Obama tax plan effect on his hopes to own a one-man or two-man business.

By the way, what was the gross for that 8-man business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald, I think that is great.  And, if he (or she) is truly clearing over a half a million a year, I don&#8217;t have a problem with that.  I also think that the marginal increase on the second quarter million of their net is not going to cause them to lay off one of their employees.  (But if they do, I guess that is on them.)  If, the seven other plumbers all have taxable income over $250,000, then I also don&#8217;t have a problem with each of them paying an increased rate on the amount of taxable income above that quarter million.  Let&#8217;s not conflate small business revenues with profits or with taxable income.</p>
<p>I was writing about Joe the Plumber and the Obama tax plan effect on his hopes to own a one-man or two-man business.</p>
<p>By the way, what was the gross for that 8-man business?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald R. McClarey</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/16/joe-the-plumber/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald R. McClarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, a plumbing business often has several plumbers as employees.  One of my plumbing clients has seven other plumbers working for him.  Last year he netted over half a million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, a plumbing business often has several plumbers as employees.  One of my plumbing clients has seven other plumbers working for him.  Last year he netted over half a million.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry H</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/16/joe-the-plumber/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you read the Obama tax plan?

If there is a one-man or two-man plumbing business whose owner ( and worker) are each clearing a quarter million dollars in net profits per year (or taxable income for the employee), then I have to wonder how much that plumber is charging his customers per hour.  That plumber also must not have many business expenses (business expenses are not taxed as income.)

$250,000 / 2080 hours = $120/hr
note: the nominal work week is 40 hours x 52  weeks per year = 2080 hours)  So, this is 40 billable hours of work per week (i.e. no travel time to the job sites) with no vacations, no expenses, no sick days, no vehicle costs, no gasoline, no tools, no holidays at all (ie. can&#039;t take a break for Christmas day unless it falls on Saturday or Sunday), no plumbing supplies, no phone bill, no advertising costs, no insurance premiums, no state taxes, no sales taxes, no office supplies, no utilities expenses, no FICA expenses, no half-days off to meet with the children&#039;s teachers, no business expenses on any sort etc.

In the real world, a plumber netting $250,000 per year, probably has to bill, at a minimum, somewhere between $250 - $300 per hour, and probably more likely $400 per hour.  (I know that I won&#039;t hire a plumber at that rate.)

Then, only the income /profit above that level will be taxed at the higher marginal rate.

I hope this clarifies the impact that the Obama tax plan will have on Joe the plumber in Toledo, OH

(note: many small businesses don&#039;t turn any profit for the first couple/few years of existence and only after time begin to show small profits.  The tax code is set up to allow this in order to give small businesses a chance to grow and improve their bottom line as they become established.)</description>
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<p>If there is a one-man or two-man plumbing business whose owner ( and worker) are each clearing a quarter million dollars in net profits per year (or taxable income for the employee), then I have to wonder how much that plumber is charging his customers per hour.  That plumber also must not have many business expenses (business expenses are not taxed as income.)</p>
<p>$250,000 / 2080 hours = $120/hr<br />
note: the nominal work week is 40 hours x 52  weeks per year = 2080 hours)  So, this is 40 billable hours of work per week (i.e. no travel time to the job sites) with no vacations, no expenses, no sick days, no vehicle costs, no gasoline, no tools, no holidays at all (ie. can&#8217;t take a break for Christmas day unless it falls on Saturday or Sunday), no plumbing supplies, no phone bill, no advertising costs, no insurance premiums, no state taxes, no sales taxes, no office supplies, no utilities expenses, no FICA expenses, no half-days off to meet with the children&#8217;s teachers, no business expenses on any sort etc.</p>
<p>In the real world, a plumber netting $250,000 per year, probably has to bill, at a minimum, somewhere between $250 &#8211; $300 per hour, and probably more likely $400 per hour.  (I know that I won&#8217;t hire a plumber at that rate.)</p>
<p>Then, only the income /profit above that level will be taxed at the higher marginal rate.</p>
<p>I hope this clarifies the impact that the Obama tax plan will have on Joe the plumber in Toledo, OH</p>
<p>(note: many small businesses don&#8217;t turn any profit for the first couple/few years of existence and only after time begin to show small profits.  The tax code is set up to allow this in order to give small businesses a chance to grow and improve their bottom line as they become established.)</p>
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		<title>By: Obama, &#8216;Joe the Plumber&#8217; and Catholic Social Teaching &#171; American Catholic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama, &#8216;Joe the Plumber&#8217; and Catholic Social Teaching &#171; American Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Obama, &#8216;Joe the Plumber&#8217; and Catholic Social&#160;Teaching  Earlier this week, Donald McClarey introduces us to Joe Wurzelbacher &#8212; the real &#8220;Joe the Plumber&#8221;. [...]</description>
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