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		<title>By: Anthony Rowe</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/10/obama-to-end-free-speech/#comment-30458</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If obama, when asked a direct question, gives a straight answer... I immediatly must begin to investigate WHY he is for it, cause it can&#039;t be a good thing.

it deservs to be scrutinized to the fullest extent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If obama, when asked a direct question, gives a straight answer&#8230; I immediatly must begin to investigate WHY he is for it, cause it can&#8217;t be a good thing.</p>
<p>it deservs to be scrutinized to the fullest extent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Harkins</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/10/obama-to-end-free-speech/#comment-30457</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Harkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be a computer scientist and not know much about net neutrality is somewhat shaming, but then I&#039;m a theorist.  We only like to touch the real world with a long stick, and then only justify the existence of a new complexity class with a natural example.

That aside, having spoken a little with our Systems Administrator here at the University of Wyoming Department of Computer Science, it would seem that the issue of net neutrality is almost of reverse nature to the issue of the Fairness Doctrine.  Fairness is involved in both cases, but in terms of the Fairness Doctrine, we&#039;re speaking essentially of being forced to provide products, whereas with net neutrality, we&#039;re speaking of being forced to avoid throttling products.

The concern is that ISP&#039;s will grant easier access to big companies, like Google or Microsoft, and make other companies lower priority.  Or perhaps that ISP&#039;s will block certain sites, certain blocks of IP addresses.  Net neutrality wants to pose limitations on how ISPs can limit customers to accessing certain sites.

The analogy our SysAdmin used is the following:  suppose we have Wal Mart, K Mart, and Target right next to each other along a strip, but the designer of the parking lot makes K Mart readily accessible, but Wal Mart and Target nearly impossible to access.  That will funnel customers to K Mart and choke off business to Wal Mart and Target.  Net neutrality wants to make the parking lot have equal access to Target, K Mart, and Wal Mart.

The concerns about net neutrality are more along the following lines:

1) Without careful crafting of law, net neutrality would make it impossible for ISP&#039;s to block sites with illegal material, like child porn

2) Smaller ISP&#039;s would face a financial burden of giving equal access to low traffic sites and high traffic sites.  With concerns about bandwidth and the huge amount of online games and media streaming, ISP&#039;s would prefer to throttle access to those sites so that customers who are frequenting low-bandwidth sites don&#039;t have to wait forever to connect.

3) Conversely, ISP&#039;s can get a financial edge by giving preference to certain groups, like Google, Microsoft, and other corporations.  While this means slower download times on competitors like Yahoo! and Apple, it also means the ISP&#039;s are able to provide services for less money to the customers.

4) ISP&#039;s would not be able to make prudent calls by throttling IP&#039;s known to make DoS attacks, carry viruses, or contain objectionable material.  This is especially true in terms of pornography in general.

So from what I understand--and granted, there are a huge number of legal details that have been discussed, and it would probably take a year of study to understand them all--we potentially stand more to lose without net neutrality, because ISP&#039;s could decide that, for example, it would be better business to throttle or block all IP&#039;s associated with Catholic sites.

On the other hand, things seem to be working fine as is, and I read that net neutrality is a &quot;solution looking for a problem&quot;.  But remember the government motto: If it ain&#039;t broke, fix it &#039;til it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be a computer scientist and not know much about net neutrality is somewhat shaming, but then I&#8217;m a theorist.  We only like to touch the real world with a long stick, and then only justify the existence of a new complexity class with a natural example.</p>
<p>That aside, having spoken a little with our Systems Administrator here at the University of Wyoming Department of Computer Science, it would seem that the issue of net neutrality is almost of reverse nature to the issue of the Fairness Doctrine.  Fairness is involved in both cases, but in terms of the Fairness Doctrine, we&#8217;re speaking essentially of being forced to provide products, whereas with net neutrality, we&#8217;re speaking of being forced to avoid throttling products.</p>
<p>The concern is that ISP&#8217;s will grant easier access to big companies, like Google or Microsoft, and make other companies lower priority.  Or perhaps that ISP&#8217;s will block certain sites, certain blocks of IP addresses.  Net neutrality wants to pose limitations on how ISPs can limit customers to accessing certain sites.</p>
<p>The analogy our SysAdmin used is the following:  suppose we have Wal Mart, K Mart, and Target right next to each other along a strip, but the designer of the parking lot makes K Mart readily accessible, but Wal Mart and Target nearly impossible to access.  That will funnel customers to K Mart and choke off business to Wal Mart and Target.  Net neutrality wants to make the parking lot have equal access to Target, K Mart, and Wal Mart.</p>
<p>The concerns about net neutrality are more along the following lines:</p>
<p>1) Without careful crafting of law, net neutrality would make it impossible for ISP&#8217;s to block sites with illegal material, like child porn</p>
<p>2) Smaller ISP&#8217;s would face a financial burden of giving equal access to low traffic sites and high traffic sites.  With concerns about bandwidth and the huge amount of online games and media streaming, ISP&#8217;s would prefer to throttle access to those sites so that customers who are frequenting low-bandwidth sites don&#8217;t have to wait forever to connect.</p>
<p>3) Conversely, ISP&#8217;s can get a financial edge by giving preference to certain groups, like Google, Microsoft, and other corporations.  While this means slower download times on competitors like Yahoo! and Apple, it also means the ISP&#8217;s are able to provide services for less money to the customers.</p>
<p>4) ISP&#8217;s would not be able to make prudent calls by throttling IP&#8217;s known to make DoS attacks, carry viruses, or contain objectionable material.  This is especially true in terms of pornography in general.</p>
<p>So from what I understand&#8211;and granted, there are a huge number of legal details that have been discussed, and it would probably take a year of study to understand them all&#8211;we potentially stand more to lose without net neutrality, because ISP&#8217;s could decide that, for example, it would be better business to throttle or block all IP&#8217;s associated with Catholic sites.</p>
<p>On the other hand, things seem to be working fine as is, and I read that net neutrality is a &#8220;solution looking for a problem&#8221;.  But remember the government motto: If it ain&#8217;t broke, fix it &#8217;til it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Brown</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/10/obama-to-end-free-speech/#comment-30456</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Christopher Blosser is a 100% correct on this matter. Sen. Obama has expressed support for Net Netruality for many of the same reasons that the American Bishops have. Net Netruality would have little effect on the internet as it currently is. In fact, opposition to net neutrality would change the internet as we know it.

Who is advocating Net Neutrality? &quot;The nation&#039;s largest telephone and cable companies -- including AT&amp;T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner -- want to be Internet gatekeepers, deciding which Web sites go fast or slow and which won&#039;t load at all. They want to tax content providers to guarantee speedy delivery of their data. They want to discriminate in favor of their own search engines, Internet phone services, and streaming video -- while slowing down or blocking their competitors.&quot;

Essentially big corporations advocate net neutrality, not most people. It affects us. So in this regard, I think you&#039;re mistaken on what you believe that a potential President Obama would do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Christopher Blosser is a 100% correct on this matter. Sen. Obama has expressed support for Net Netruality for many of the same reasons that the American Bishops have. Net Netruality would have little effect on the internet as it currently is. In fact, opposition to net neutrality would change the internet as we know it.</p>
<p>Who is advocating Net Neutrality? &#8220;The nation&#8217;s largest telephone and cable companies &#8212; including AT&amp;T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner &#8212; want to be Internet gatekeepers, deciding which Web sites go fast or slow and which won&#8217;t load at all. They want to tax content providers to guarantee speedy delivery of their data. They want to discriminate in favor of their own search engines, Internet phone services, and streaming video &#8212; while slowing down or blocking their competitors.&#8221;</p>
<p>Essentially big corporations advocate net neutrality, not most people. It affects us. So in this regard, I think you&#8217;re mistaken on what you believe that a potential President Obama would do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark DeFrancisis</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/10/obama-to-end-free-speech/#comment-30455</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark DeFrancisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just post outrageous claims, in non-inflamatory language....

Example: this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just post outrageous claims, in non-inflamatory language&#8230;.</p>
<p>Example: this post.</p>
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		<title>By: S.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher&#039;s first comment is right: &quot;net neutrality&quot; has absolutely nothing to do with forcing content providers (e.g., bloggers, newspapers) to be neutral.  All it means is that the internet service providers (such as AT&amp;T or Comcast) shouldn&#039;t block or slow down certain types of traffic.  Net neutrality would mean, for example, that Comcast couldn&#039;t block an independent VOIP (voice over internet) service like Vonage from letting people make phone calls over their internet connection.  Instead, Comcast should be &quot;neutral&quot; towards however people are using their internet connection.  That&#039;s the basic idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher&#8217;s first comment is right: &#8220;net neutrality&#8221; has absolutely nothing to do with forcing content providers (e.g., bloggers, newspapers) to be neutral.  All it means is that the internet service providers (such as AT&amp;T or Comcast) shouldn&#8217;t block or slow down certain types of traffic.  Net neutrality would mean, for example, that Comcast couldn&#8217;t block an independent VOIP (voice over internet) service like Vonage from letting people make phone calls over their internet connection.  Instead, Comcast should be &#8220;neutral&#8221; towards however people are using their internet connection.  That&#8217;s the basic idea.</p>
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		<title>By: DarwinCatholic</title>
		<link>http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/10/10/obama-to-end-free-speech/#comment-30453</link>
		<dc:creator>DarwinCatholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlos,

While I think that the Obama campaign has shown a mildly disturbing tendency to try to have criticism shut down (based, I think, on a worldview that holds that those opposing them are necessarily morally and intellectually bankrupt, and a conviction that Democrats have lost in the past through not being &quot;tough&quot; enough) -- as an editor here I need to ask you to avoid throwing around Senator Obama&#039;s middle name (Hussein) as a pejorative and that you avoid loaded terms like &quot;goose stepping minions&quot;.

It&#039;s hard to keep a site focused on politics civil, and in order to do so we believe it will be necessary to avoid this kind of inflammatory terminology.  Believe me, I don&#039;t want to see Obama elected president at all -- but we can express that without getting enflammatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlos,</p>
<p>While I think that the Obama campaign has shown a mildly disturbing tendency to try to have criticism shut down (based, I think, on a worldview that holds that those opposing them are necessarily morally and intellectually bankrupt, and a conviction that Democrats have lost in the past through not being &#8220;tough&#8221; enough) &#8212; as an editor here I need to ask you to avoid throwing around Senator Obama&#8217;s middle name (Hussein) as a pejorative and that you avoid loaded terms like &#8220;goose stepping minions&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to keep a site focused on politics civil, and in order to do so we believe it will be necessary to avoid this kind of inflammatory terminology.  Believe me, I don&#8217;t want to see Obama elected president at all &#8212; but we can express that without getting enflammatory.</p>
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